Jerry West has a Luka take for you to fight about.

[Kblaze8855]

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2001070715490091.jpeg

[LAmbruh]

We are truly in the greatest era of NBA basketball the world has ever seen

[FKAri]

Certainly possible. Hard to disagree with the LoGOAT when he has LeGOAT as the GOAT.

[tpols]

thats tough shoes to fill...

top 15 all time?

hes significantly smaller and a far worse scorer / shooter.

Neither are great at defense but dirk was at least serviceable. (he was also 7 foot)

[Shogon]

thats tough shoes to fill...

top 15 all time?

hes significantly smaller and a far worse scorer / shooter.

Neither are great at defense but dirk was at least serviceable. (he was also 7 foot)

Dirk absolutely positively is not top 15 all time.

Why would you say some completely ignorant shit like that, because of one title? Really dude?

[Im so nba'd out]

Probably will.Outside of 2011, dirk was pretty much a playoff choker. I can see it but he needs to raise his b-ball iq.Dirk has a much higher b-ball IQ than Luka.Luka is way more skilled though

[tpols]

Dirk absolutely positively is not top 15 all time.

Why would you say some completely ignorant shit like that, because of one title? Really dude?


He's consensus late teens... so for Luka to finish better hed have to be around top 15.

Thats just stupid expectations. Bad hype job.

[SouBeachTalents]

Dirk absolutely positively is not top 15 all time.

Why would you say some completely ignorant shit like that, because of one title? Really dude?
:oldlol:

But it seems most at least have him top 20. Where do you have him ranked?

[FireDavidKahn]

LeFam!!!!!!!:bowdown: :bowdown:

Always the biggest LeDaddyDicks

[LAmbruh]

LeFam!!!!!!!:bowdown: :bowdown:

Always the biggest LeDaddyDicks
:rockon: :cheers:

[FireDavidKahn]

He's consensus late teens... so for Luka to finish better hed have to be around top 15.

Thats just stupid expectations. Bad hype job.
The funny thing is that even if Luka only maintains what he is doing now he is a 1st ballot HOFer. His floor is a 1st ballot HOFer...

[StrongLurk]

If Luka wins a few chips/finals MVPS and has Lebron-esque averages for his career then of course Luka can be top 5 all time.

[tontoz]

Nothing other than speculation. Luka certainly could be greater than Dirk at some point but nobody knows for sure if he will.

I am comfortable saying Luka one of the top 3 20 yr olds I have ever seen. That is as far as I am willing to go.

Dirk was a punchline at 20 but over his career he averaged 25/10 in the playoffs.

[Shogon]

:oldlol:

But it seems most at least have him top 20. Where do you have him ranked?

I'll tell you what, you tell me out of these guys who you would rather have on your team, and I'll tell you whether you know basketball or not.

Tim Duncan
Larry Bird
Hakeem Olajuwon
Oscar Robertson
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Dwyane Wade
Jerry West
Moses Malone
Kevin Durant
Wilt Chamberlain
Shaquille O'Neal
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Magic Johnson
Michael Jordan
LeBron James
Bill Russell
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Garnett
Stephen Curry
Kawhi Leonard

That's just 20... not even necessarily my top 20(it's not)... just the first 20 that popped into my head. Who's Dirk better than? I'll wait.

[superduper]

Look at these LeStans still trying to claim Luka when he blatantly admitted that Jordan is the undisputed GOAT and no amount of empty stats will ever change that :rockon:

[DoctorP]

tampering.

FINE HIS ASS

[MrFonzworth]

I'll tell you what, you tell me out of these guys who you would rather have on your team, and I'll tell you whether you know basketball or not.

Tim Duncan
Larry Bird
Hakeem Olajuwon
Oscar Robertson
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Dwyane Wade
Jerry West
Moses Malone
Kevin Durant
Wilt Chamberlain
Shaquille O'Neal
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Magic Johnson
Michael Jordan
LeBron James
Bill Russell
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Garnett
Stephen Curry
Kawhi Leonard

That's just 20... not even necessarily my top 20(it's not)... just the first 20 that popped into my head. Who's Dirk better than? I'll wait.
Well what's your top 20? Why pose this scenario, the question at hand is about legacy, not peak play. If Kawhi and Giannis retire today, are they top 20? I'm taking Dirk over West and Malone anyway.

[Shogon]

Well what's your top 20? Why pose this scenario, the question at hand is about legacy, not peak play. If Kawhi and Giannis retire today, are they top 20? I'm taking Dirk over West and Malone anyway.

Everyone on that list has a better legacy than Dirk except Giannis, and I'm not so sure an argument for Giannis can't already be made. He's going to lock up another MVP this year, and even if he doesn't, all he needs to do is put up another season or two like these and he's indisputably past Dirk. Those guys are all past Dirk.

Dirk is an all time great but he's overrated.

[MrFonzworth]

Everyone on that list has a better legacy than Dirk except Giannis, and I'm not so sure an argument for Giannis can't already be made. He's going to lock up another MVP this year, and even if he doesn't, all he needs to do is put up another season or two like these and he's indisputably past Dirk. Those guys are all past Dirk.

Dirk is an all time great but he's overrated.
Kawhi and Malone don't either. An argument can be made with West and Moses as well.

[SouBeachTalents]

Everyone on that list has a better legacy than Dirk except Giannis, and I'm not so sure an argument for Giannis can't already be made. He's going to lock up another MVP this year, and even if he doesn't, all he needs to do is put up another season or two like these and he's indisputably past Dirk. Those guys are all past Dirk.

Dirk is an all time great but he's overrated.
Kawhi definitely doesn't yet, but (barring injury) he obv still has time

You really think Durant has a better legacy than Dirk? Durant has the least respected titles in sports history, and deadass is less respected now than he was before he won titles on OKC. And who knows how much more Durant is able to add at this point in his career

And imo Wade doesn't, just couldn't stay healthy enough and his prime was too short, and you could argue KG doesn't either

[DMAVS41]

Everyone on that list has a better legacy than Dirk except Giannis, and I'm not so sure an argument for Giannis can't already be made. He's going to lock up another MVP this year, and even if he doesn't, all he needs to do is put up another season or two like these and he's indisputably past Dirk. Those guys are all past Dirk.

Dirk is an all time great but he's overrated.


Everyone has a different criteria. On the more objective standards...it would be hard to keep Dirk out of the top 25...see an analysis here:

https://backpicks.com/2017/12/11/the-backpicks-goat-the-40-best-careers-in-nba-history/

Dirk, imo, finds himself in a tier with quite a few players...that will grow with some of the guys you mentioned.

As for the West stuff...he knows his shit so you better take what he says seriously, but man...saying that before a playoff game has been played...I don't know...seems a bit much.

All I can say is that I sure as hell hope he's right because that means I'm getting another 15 years of great Mavs basketball...which would be incredible.

[stalkerforlife]

Dirk is top 20 all time.

Luka can be top 5 all time if he stays healthy.

[3ball]

we'll see if he's good enough to overcome the power of the big man.

only a few have done it - only MJ has done it from the backcourt.. I predict Doncic cannot and will not, and will infact need a shi.t-ton (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=477207) of help

[FultzNationRISE]

THis is 100% a subliminal shot at Kobe.


Dirk recently called Kobe his toughest competition.

Luka patterned his game after LeBJ.



Logo has spoken.

[FultzNationRISE]

I'll tell you what, you tell me out of these guys who you would rather have on your team, and I'll tell you whether you know basketball or not.

Tim Duncan
Larry Bird
Hakeem Olajuwon
Oscar Robertson
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Dwyane Wade
Jerry West
Moses Malone
Kevin Durant
Wilt Chamberlain
Shaquille O'Neal
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Magic Johnson
Michael Jordan
LeBron James
Bill Russell
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Garnett
Stephen Curry
Kawhi Leonard

That's just 20... not even necessarily my top 20(it's not)... just the first 20 that popped into my head. Who's Dirk better than? I'll wait.


:biggums:



Dirk > Kobe bro

[sportjames23]

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2001070715490091.jpeg

Shots fired!

[StrongLurk]

If Luka wins a few chips/finals MVPS and has Lebron-esque averages for his career then of course Luka can be top 5 all time.

Bump.

[bizil]

Luka has the SPECIAL COMBO of these elements:

- Great scorer
- Great passer
- Great rebounder for a perimeter player
- Can play three positions at a great level (in Luka's case, PG, SG, and SF.)

Whenever a perimeter player was considered THE BEST player in the world, they have ALL THESE ELEMENTS! Bird, Magic, MJ, Mamba, and Bron all had these elements for damn sure. Luka of course isn't the best player in the world yet. BUT he has the special combination though.

So when it comes to those sick scorers like a Dirk, Nique, Melo, AI, etc, they aren't bringing this same type of package to the table. They are great players and alpha dog scorers FOR SURE! But Mr. Clutch is right. Luka is closer to a Bird-Bron-Magic type of player THAN a Dirk type of player.

[Round Mound]

Luka has the SPECIAL COMBO of these elements:

- Great scorer
- Great passer
- Great rebounder for a perimeter player
- Can play three positions at a great level (in Luka's case, PG, SG, and SF.)

Whenever a perimeter player was considered THE BEST player in the world, they have ALL THESE ELEMENTS! Bird, Magic, MJ, Mamba, and Bron all had these elements for damn sure. Luka of course isn't the best player in the world yet. BUT he has the special combination though.

So when it comes to those sick scorers like a Dirk, Nique, Melo, AI, etc, they aren't bringing this same type of package to the table. They are great players and alpha dog scorers FOR SURE! But Mr. Clutch is right. Luka is closer to a Bird-Bron-Magic type of player THAN a Dirk type of player.

:applause:

[HylianNightmare]

Water is wet.

[insidehoops]

Before even commenting, this makes me need to go back and brush up upon Dirk's entire career.

[houston]

Luka has the SPECIAL COMBO of these elements:

- Great scorer
- Great passer
- Great rebounder for a perimeter player
- Can play three positions at a great level (in Luka's case, PG, SG, and SF.)

Whenever a perimeter player was considered THE BEST player in the world, they have ALL THESE ELEMENTS! Bird, Magic, MJ, Mamba, and Bron all had these elements for damn sure. Luka of course isn't the best player in the world yet. BUT he has the special combination though.

So when it comes to those sick scorers like a Dirk, Nique, Melo, AI, etc, they aren't bringing this same type of package to the table. They are great players and alpha dog scorers FOR SURE! But Mr. Clutch is right. Luka is closer to a Bird-Bron-Magic type of player THAN a Dirk type of player.

cool point but guards always show guards respect

[GimmeThat]

Jerry West's point being Phil Jackson isn't the greatest coach of all time

the whole era and evolution confusion came down to whether or not outsiders are allowed to have an opinion.


or, this is material for one full season of basketball wives.

[iamgine]

He's consensus late teens... so for Luka to finish better hed have to be around top 15.

Thats just stupid expectations. Bad hype job.
Best does not = greatest.

George Mikan was top 30 greatest at least, but even Jarret Allen is much much better than him. Kevin Durant hasn't been in top 20 greatest, but can we agree he's certainly better than or at least equal to Moses Malone who's in the top 20.

[DoctorP]

I would be shocked if Luka had LeBron-like longevity. LeBron, it's like he works out religiously and Luca is more about skills and shooting so LeBron has a layer of muscle for longevity...

If Luka has Dirk -like longevity, maybe, but he's not 7 ft

[GimmeThat]

Best does not = greatest.

George Mikan was top 30 greatest at least, but even Jarret Allen is much much better than him. Kevin Durant hasn't been in top 20 greatest, but can we agree he's certainly better than or at least equal to Moses Malone who's in the top 20.

I think this is where the zero-sum idea ends.

Say Mikan was able to contribute to the world where one apple a day, keeps the doctor away, everyone afters them will benefit that one apple a day, but at some point, people will say, we can have 2 apples a day, and everyone can also afford it, whoever led us to that 2 apples a day will be coined the same as Mikan. 2 - 1 = 1

advanced mathematician may argue the diminishing return of the second apple being digested, however simple mathematicians like myself would categorize everything else as other variables and throw it into the scientific field. since this is most likely how people who can't grow themselves invented its way of over-rating the past.

no, I actually don't know the name of the guy who invented the very idea of a house and how we sustain our life cycle by habitating in one.

[ImKobe]

I would be shocked if Luka had LeBron-like longevity. LeBron, it's like he works out religiously and Luca is more about skills and shooting so LeBron has a layer of muscle for longevity...

If Luka has Dirk -like longevity, maybe, but he's not 7 ft

So what he's not 7 ft? He's 6-7 and works hard on his craft, Dirk survived that long due to his shooting ability. Luka shoots a ton as well, which is why his stats suffer as a result of him missing all the 3s, he started the year out being arguably the best player in the league when that shot was falling consistently. He's a better all-around offensive player than Dirk, so it's understandable why West would make that claim. Dirk's shooting was obviously better, but Luka in his 2nd season is already on prime Dirk's level offensively, if not better. He's one of the most gifted passers I've ever seen and he can get to the line as much as anyone despite not being as athletic, now the question is whether he can get up to ~35% on 3s at the volume he's taking them. He's a 29/9/9 player at 33 mpg with just 31.5%3PT, and it's not like the Mavs play at a ridiculous pace either.