Why are people afraid of Luka?

[StrongLurk]

Everyone needs to call it what it is. Luka is a superstar at 20. Who else has done that in the modern era besides Magic and Lebron?

Luka is a GOAT candidate. There is zero point in trying to downplay it (DMAVS).

The guy is a SUPERSTAR at age TWENTY.

I don't wanna hear "let's wait until the playoffs", that's pointless since Luka is already elite. Lebron didn't even make the playoffs his second year but everyone knew what they were seeing.

Luka deserves the hype at this point since the last guy to do this was LEBRON JAMES.

[DoctorP]

Rise of the Euro as the GOAT.

[stalkerforlife]

No OP, Bran never did this.

And he damn sure didn't do it at age 20.

Nice try.

[SouBeachTalents]

But for real, playoffs are a different animal. Even LeBron had his struggles in the playoffs until his title breakthrough

[yeaaaman]

Sure he needs to prove it in the playoffs but who exactly is that the expectation for in their second year? If that's the discussion that should already tell you how good he is.

For me there's no way you can say the guy isn't a superstar based off of what we're watching. He's a 20 year old in his second year putting up stupid ass numbers and leading his team to the playoffs in the west.

[MrFonzworth]

Nobody is afraid of Luka. A benchwarmer through him to the ground because he felt like it.

[StrongLurk]

No OP, Bran never did this.

And he damn sure didn't do it at age 20.

Nice try.

Lebron was a superstar at age 20. That's what I'm talking about.

[Smoke117]

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[Bronbron23]

Everyone needs to call it what it is. Luka is a superstar at 20. Who else has done that in the modern era besides Magic and Lebron?

Luka is a GOAT candidate. There is zero point in trying to downplay it (DMAVS).

The guy is a SUPERSTAR at age TWENTY.

I don't wanna hear "let's wait until the playoffs", that's pointless since Luka is already elite. Lebron didn't even make the playoffs his second year but everyone knew what they were seeing.

Luka deserves the hype at this point since the last guy to do this was LEBRON JAMES.
He deserves the praise but hes nowhere near a goat candidate. Hes not even gonna be the greatest in his own era. Greek will always be better than luka. He has similar offensive impact but hes way better on the otherside of the ball.

[StrongLurk]

He deserves the praise but hes nowhere near a goat candidate. Hes not even gonna be the greatest in his own era. Greek will always be better than luka. He has similar offensive impact but hes way better on the otherside of the ball.

Everything that Luka has done on the court has suggested he is a GOAT candidate.

True GOAT candidates dominate from the get go, Giannis took too long and still isn't that skilled.

[Mask the Embiid]

Great White Hope

:roll:

we're shaking :oldlol:

[DoctorP]

Great White Hope

:roll:

we're shaking :oldlol:
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[tpols]

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Cant respect it yet.

Larry Bird wouldve slugged em.

Even Dirk wouldve ployed an elaborate plot.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Luka is far better than 20yo Lebron

its insulting to even compare then

Bran wasnt as good as current Luka until like 08 at best

at 20yo he couldnt even carry his team to the playoffs in a garbage Leastern conference where the 5-8 seeds wouldnt have even made the playoffs in the West

and he had a great allstar twoway big in Big Z who was better than injured KP

[Bronbron23]

Everything that Luka has done on the court has suggested he is a GOAT candidate.

True GOAT candidates dominate from the get go, Giannis took too long and still isn't that skilled.
Took to long? Hes only 24 and just won an mvp at 23.

And no hes not as skilled as luka but hes on another world athleticism and size wise. That makes up for the disparity in skill. Even though greek is a few years older he has way more room for growth. He'll always be better than luka.

[StrongLurk]

Took to long? Hes only 24 and just won an mvp at 23.

And no hes not as skilled as luka but hes on another world athleticism and size wise. That makes up for the disparity in skill. Even though greek is a few years older he has way more room for growth. He'll always be better than luka.

Giannis is 25 and hasn't had a SINGLE impressive playoff run yet.

Luka might put on a better performance than Giannis THIS YEAR.

Giannis will never be considered a guy who can be on Michael Jordan's level. GTFO.

[Bronbron23]

Giannis is 25 and hasn't had a SINGLE impressive playoff run yet.

Luka might put on a better performance than Giannis THIS YEAR.

Giannis will never be considered a guy who can be on Michael Jordan's level. GTFO.
All greek needs is to improve his post and mid range a little and its game over. He could absolutely end up on mj's level when its all said and done.

Luka on the other hand isnt gonna get much better(which isnt a bad thing) his already almost maxed out skill wise and hes not gonna get more athletic.

Sorry to burst your bubble but theres almost zero chance that a ball dominant trash defender is gonna win multiple chips and dominate ever. It dosnt work.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

All greek needs is to improve his post and mid range a little and its game over. He could absolutely end up on mj's level when its all said and done.

Luka on the other hand isnt gonna get much better(which isnt a bad thing) his already almost maxed out skill wise and hes not gonna get more athletic.

Sorry to burst your bubble but theres almost zero chance that ball dominant trash defender is gonna win multiple chips and dominate ever. It dosnt work.

He very well could get more athletic/stronger and hes already a very strong player. And his horizontal athleticism is underrated. Not many guys can play his game ever. Being able to decelerate, stop on a dime, change directions, bounce off strong forwards like theyre toys is very physically taxing and takes athleticism. Hes just not jumping up and down or showing great lateral quickness but theres more to athleticism. His hand eye coordination is also top class

Hes only been recently working out with Murrican trainers BTW and hes 20......hes gonna develop more physically

and as far as skills alot of his issues are mainly shot selection which only improves with time

Luka was amazing at 18 one of the best ever at his age, then 19 and then ppl were saying he was close to his ceiling and now he's the GOAT 20yo and ppl are saying again hes at his ceiling

Im not sure if he will ever became a good defensive player but offensively he can def get better. Look at Harden now......hes 30 and still improving his game. These types of players could easily peak in their late 20s or early 30s

[stalkerforlife]

LMFAO.

Every year Luka has hit his ceiling since 14.

"Okay, he's good, but that's it!"

Looool.

[StrongLurk]

All greek needs is to improve his post and mid range a little and its game over. He could absolutely end up on mj's level when its all said and done.

Luka on the other hand isnt gonna get much better(which isnt a bad thing) his already almost maxed out skill wise and hes not gonna get more athletic.

Sorry to burst your bubble but theres almost zero chance that a ball dominant trash defender is gonna win multiple chips and dominate ever. It dosnt work.

You are still wrong, damn dude. People thought that about guys like Harden and Curry and they CLEARLY took their games up multiple levels.

Doncic is still only shooting like 32% from three and 80% from free throws.

He could get his three up in the high 30's and free throws 85% ALL THE WHILE increasing his volume.

This dude could definitely be putting up 35/8/8, 65 TS% playoff runs in the future. He has that potential.

[Bronbron23]

He very well could get more athletic/stronger and hes already a very strong player. And his horizontal athleticism is underrated. Not many guys can play his game ever. Being able to decelerate, stop on a dime, change directions, bounce off strong forwards like theyre toys is very physically taxing and takes athleticism. Hes just not jumping up and down or showing great lateral quickness but theres more to athleticism. His hand eye coordination is also top class

Hes only been recently working out with Murrican trainers BTW and hes 20......hes gonna develop more physically

and as far as skills alot of his issues are mainly shot selection which only improves with time

Luka was amazing at 18 one of the best ever at his age, then 19 and then ppl were saying he was close to his ceiling and now he's the GOAT 20yo and ppl are saying again hes at his ceiling

Im not sure if he will ever became a good defensive player but offensively he can def get better. Look at Harden now......hes 30 and still improving his game. These types of players could easily peak in their late 20s or early 30s
I disagree i dont think harden is getting better. The league just get easier because of the rules. Harden has pretty much been sick for the last while now. The only real difference in his scoring is that he just shoots more now. As far as luka getting more athletic i just dont see it. Yeah he could get bigger and stronger but im not sure you want luka any bigger. It would slow him down some.

I agree He could improve his shot selection but im not sure he will. These ball dominant players think the step back three is a great move apparently. I dont see why hed feel the need to. Plus with the exception of maybe harden players like luka and bron use the step three because thats all they really have offensively in the half court. They dont have great first steps to blow by their man to get to the hole and they dont have great mid range.

[Lebron23]

he is turning 21 years old next month.

[bizil]

Some posters need to PUMP THEIR BRAKES when u say Luka is WAY BETTER at 20 than Bron at 20. Bron FOR SURE was a better defender at that age than Luka. NOT SAYING Bron was an elite defender then. BUT he was surely better than Luka.

Second Bron was JUST AS GOOD passing the rock or damn close as a 20 year old. BUT keep in mind that Bron was playing as point forward back then. He wasn't playing as FLAT OUT a PG. Bron was playing with another PG on the court with him. Luka plays PG FLAT OUT for the Mavs! It's is primary position.

Scoring wise, Luka has more complete scoring skillset. But NUMBERS WISE, Bron was ABSOLUTELY on Luka's level scoring the rock. Rebounding wise, both were great rebounders for their positions at age 20. BUT Bron played at last stages of old school NBA hoops. Where it was still very physical. And u had guys like Shaq, Timmy, KG, etc. around. The league was still very big and physical.

So if people think Luka is a better 20 year old than Bron, THEN COOL! The main reason would be his scoring skillset was better. But Bron OVERALL on both sides of the court HANDS DOWN was better though! But to say Luka is WAY BETTER than Bron at 20 doesn't make ANY SENSE!! Shit like defense and being a 6'8 245 pound freak athlete CAN OFFSET some advantages Luka may have. Bron had the same type of IQ. Luka ISN'T CLOSE to Bron in terms of being a stud athlete or defender!

[stalkerforlife]

Some posters need to PUMP THEIR BRAKES when u say Luka is WAY BETTER at 20 than Bron at 20. Bron FOR SURE was a better defender at that age than Luka. NOT SAYING Bron was an elite defender then. BUT he was surely better than Luka.

Second Bron was JUST AS GOOD passing the rock or damn close as a 20 year old. BUT keep in mind that Bron was playing as point forward back then. He wasn't playing as FLAT OUT a PG. Bron was playing with another PG on the court with him. Luka plays PG FLAT OUT for the Mavs! It's is primary position.

Scoring wise, Luka has more complete scoring skillset. But NUMBERS WISE, Bron was ABSOLUTELY on Luka's level scoring the rock. Rebounding wise, both were great rebounders for their positions at age 20. BUT Bron played at last stages of old school NBA hoops. Where it was still very physical. And u had guys like Shaq, Timmy, KG, etc. around. The league was still very big and physical.

So if people think Luka is a better 20 year old than Bron, THEN COOL! The main reason would be his scoring skillset was better. But Bron OVERALL on both sides of the court HANDS DOWN was better though! But to say Luka is WAY BETTER than Bron at 20 doesn't make ANY SENSE!! Shit like defense and being a 6'8 245 pound freak athlete CAN OFFSET some advantages Luka may have. Bron had the same type of IQ. Luka ISN'T CLOSE to Bron in terms of being a stud athlete or defender!

Wrong.

But thanks for the meltdown.

[bizil]

Wrong.

But thanks for the meltdown.

That's not a meltdown... That's just FACTS!!! Luka is a beast. And i'm fine if people think Luka at 20 is better than Bron at 20. BUT to say he's way better is flat out WRONG!! Luka's biggest edge is his scoring skillset. Bron's biggest edges is his defense and athletic ability.

How would Luka have fared back in the early 2000's when the game was much more bigger and physical. YET u still had athletic studs on the perimeter like a Bron, Kobe, Wade, Vince, T Mac, etc. Luka STILL would have got busy I'm sure. BUT to assume his numbers today are SO MUCH BETTER than Bron's 27-7-7 at 20 is ridiculous!!

[superduper]

The guy is transcendently good for his age absolutely, but of course playoff performance matters. Playoffs are an entirely different game than regular season ball. Doesn't matter how good you are in the regular season, you have to prove yourself in the playoffs if you're trying to cement a legacy.

[StrongLurk]

Doncic is basically peak Westbrook, but with elite efficiency (61 TS%) and a way better BBIQ.

Peak Westbrook won an MVP, and Doncic at 20 is on that level or better.

GOAT CANDIDATE

[Ghost1]

Doncic is basically peak Westbrook, but with elite efficiency (61 TS%) and a way better BBIQ.

Peak Westbrook won an MVP, and Doncic at 20 is on that level or better.

GOAT CANDIDATE


Peak russ

https://youtu.be/N8erK7T_LIQ


We are not worthy:bowdown:

[FireDavidKahn]

He's white.

That's literally the only people why people are threatened by him.

*And because he is LeFam.

[Manny98]

LeBron was much better at 20

Luka doesn't even play defense lol

[tpols]

Ill reserve my judgment until the playoffs.

regular season is a candy ass league, and he didnt do shit last year finished with a negative differential.

I will be glad to come around however.

[StrongLurk]

LeBron was much better at 20

Luka doesn't even play defense lol

You didn't even watch Lebron play at 20 you puss.y as.s poster. Lebron was not a good defender in his second season. How is Lebron much better at 20 when he has worse stats while playing more possessions?

Why are you so afraid of Luka, he is a Lebron stan just like you. In fact, you and Luka are probably the same age.

Grow some balls loser.

[Manny98]

You didn't even watch Lebron play at 20 you puss.y as.s poster. Lebron was not a good defender in his second season. How is Lebron much better at 20 when he has worse stats while playing more possessions?

Why are you so afraid of Luka, he is a Lebron stan just like you. In fact, you and Luka are probably the same age.

Grow some balls loser.
Idgaf about stats, 20 year old LeBron is better than Luka at every facet of basketball

You people want to talk about how stats today are inflated yet when it suits you still compare Lukas stats to LeBrons

Eye test will tell you that LeBron was better, Luka doesn't even play defense FFS all he does is flop and statpad

[stalkerforlife]

Idgaf about stats, 20 year old LeBron is better than Luka at every facet of basketball

You people want to talk about how stats today are inflated yet when it suits you still compare Lukas stats to LeBrons

Eye test will tell you that LeBron was better, Luka doesn't even play defense FFS all he does is flop and statpad

You have the lowest IQ on this board.

[Manny98]

You have the lowest IQ on this board.
Luka is a overrated statpadding fraud who will never win anything, deal with it

[Turbo Slayer]

Luka is a overrated statpadding fraud who will never win anything, deal with it
Dawg stop hatin bro. :roll:

Appreciate the players. :facepalm

Enjoy the game. :applause:

[Manny98]

Dawg stop hatin bro. :roll:

Appreciate the players. :facepalm

Enjoy the game. :applause:
Luka is good but he will never be on LeBrons level, simple as that :cheers:

[Turbo Slayer]

Luka is good but he will never be on LeBrons level, simple as that :cheers:
Chill with the comparisons. For now, enjoy the players. Like someone said, ''You're never appreciate something until something gone.''

Let's do the comparisons when they both retire. Stop hating. Enjoy, Manny98.

My advice. :oldlol: :applause:

[Bronbron23]

Idgaf about stats, 20 year old LeBron is better than Luka at every facet of basketball

You people want to talk about how stats today are inflated yet when it suits you still compare Lukas stats to LeBrons

Eye test will tell you that LeBron was better, Luka doesn't even play defense FFS all he does is flop and statpad
Damn, i unfortunately have agree with manny on this one. It was way harder to put up stats when bron was 20 compared to this year. Literally everything is easier now. Scoring is easier because of the rules on the perimeter. Assists are easier because teams shoot more threes. now so a simple drive and dish for a three point shot results in much easier assists then having to penetrate and make a interior pass in a crowded paint. Rebounds are easier because teams are spreading the floor so bigs and fowards are out on the perimeter more defending leaving less protection and rebounding in the paint.

These are facts and not even arguable but somehow i think some of yall will argue it anyway.

[stalkerforlife]

Damn, i unfortunately have agree with manny on this one. It was way harder to put up stats when bron was 20 compared to this year. Literally everything is easier now. Scoring is easier because of the rules on the perimeter. Assists are easier because teams shoot more threes. now so a simple drive and dish for a three point shot results in much easier assists then having to penetrate and make a interior pass in a crowded paint. Rebounds are easier because teams are spreading the floor so bigs and fowards are out on the perimeter more defending leaving less protection and rebounding in the paint.

These are facts and not even arguable but somehow i think some of yall will argue it anyway.

Stay triggered, black boy.

[StrongLurk]

Idgaf about stats, 20 year old LeBron is better than Luka at every facet of basketball

You people want to talk about how stats today are inflated yet when it suits you still compare Lukas stats to LeBrons

Eye test will tell you that LeBron was better, Luka doesn't even play defense FFS all he does is flop and statpad

Stats are all you have boy :roll: That's all you've argued for on ISH.

Your post reeks of defeat and insecurity. I love how you lump me in with "you people".

You stan Lebron all these years using the "stats doe" argument every time. Now when someone has better stats than Lebron, you meltdown and become every poster that you hated in the past.

You are the type of dude to complain about things when you are young but then become the exact thing you used to complain about when you get older. One of the worst kinds of people.

What's also funny is I guarantee you were not old enough to be watching Lebron in 2004/2005. You were probably a toddler at best. So no eye test for you.

Lebron PER/100, second season: 34/9/9
Luka PER/100, second season: 44/14/13

Luka is way ahead, all you can do is make up shit like Lebron was way better at defense, which is not true at that age.

Honestly, Luka is having one of the best seasons of all time. You either admit that or admit it's easier to put up stats in the current NBA. It can only be one or the other.

[Manny98]

0 points in the 4th last night, StrongLurk where you at :roll: :roll:

[The Iron Fist]

Because he

[The Iron Fist]

Some posters need to PUMP THEIR BRAKES when u say Luka is WAY BETTER at 20 than Bron at 20. Bron FOR SURE was a better defender at that age than Luka. NOT SAYING Bron was an elite defender then. BUT he was surely better than Luka.

Second Bron was JUST AS GOOD passing the rock or damn close as a 20 year old. BUT keep in mind that Bron was playing as point forward back then. He wasn't playing as FLAT OUT a PG. Bron was playing with another PG on the court with him. Luka plays PG FLAT OUT for the Mavs! It's is primary position.

Scoring wise, Luka has more complete scoring skillset. But NUMBERS WISE, Bron was ABSOLUTELY on Luka's level scoring the rock. Rebounding wise, both were great rebounders for their positions at age 20. BUT Bron played at last stages of old school NBA hoops. Where it was still very physical. And u had guys like Shaq, Timmy, KG, etc. around. The league was still very big and physical.

So if people think Luka is a better 20 year old than Bron, THEN COOL! The main reason would be his scoring skillset was better. But Bron OVERALL on both sides of the court HANDS DOWN was better though! But to say Luka is WAY BETTER than Bron at 20 doesn't make ANY SENSE!! Shit like defense and being a 6'8 245 pound freak athlete CAN OFFSET some advantages Luka may have. Bron had the same type of IQ. Luka ISN'T CLOSE to Bron in terms of being a stud athlete or defender!
Fake news.

[StrongLurk]

0 points in the 4th last night, StrongLurk where you at :roll: :roll:

Why are you so afraid of Luka?

Also, why are you so bad at trolling? Every player in history has had zero point 4th quarters.

At this point, you aren't even a part of the LeFam. You are nothing.

Lebron PER/100, second season: 34/9/9
Luka PER/100, second season: 44/14/13

[tontoz]

Pretty sure Manny predicted the Raps would lose every game they played in last year's playoffs. :lol

[stalkerforlife]

Why are you so afraid of Luka?

Also, why are you so bad at trolling? Every player in history has had zero point 4th quarters.

At this point, you aren't even a part of the LeFam. You are nothing.

Lebron PER/100, second season: 34/9/9
Luka PER/100, second season: 44/14/13

Damn.

[StrongLurk]

Everyone needs to call it what it is. Luka is a superstar at 20. Who else has done that in the modern era besides Magic and Lebron?

Luka is a GOAT candidate. There is zero point in trying to downplay it (DMAVS).

The guy is a SUPERSTAR at age TWENTY.

I don't wanna hear "let's wait until the playoffs", that's pointless since Luka is already elite. Lebron didn't even make the playoffs his second year but everyone knew what they were seeing.

Luka deserves the hype at this point since the last guy to do this was LEBRON JAMES.

Keep having to bump things for y'all. Just imagine if Luka had a true star player as his second option this year???

[StrongLurk]

Well?

[Full Court]

Yep, Luka's elite. No question about it. But he also has mediocre defense, and he still need to show he can lead a team to success - which is part of greatness. So yes, his potential is sky high, but let's be realistic too.

[Spurs m8]

White.

It's a racist league

[StrongLurk]

Are people afraid?

[tpols]

Now this is a thread that was called correctly... nobody knew how great Luka would be before his 1st playoffs. That Jokic thread after he already won MVPs and made deep playoff runs was a joke though.

[SATAN]

Are people afraid?

Maybe they are waiting until he actually wins anything before jumping to conclusions. **** I hate NBA fans sometimes.

[gengiskhan]

Are people afraid?

not really.

but people are afraid of what fat, out of shape white man on one healthy knee could do to the NBA.

now, thats a scary thought.

[Wally450]

Maybe they are waiting until he actually wins anything before jumping to conclusions. **** I hate NBA fans sometimes.

Just a few weeks back, people were anointing Anthony Edwards the next GOAT.

[Neal Romer]

Just a few weeks back, people were anointing Anthony Edwards the next GOAT.

They didnt say he was the next GOAT.

They said he was the next MJ.

[3ba11]

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Defenders don't seem to try to BLOCK luka's layups and paint shots - defenders just stand flat-footed with both hands up and looking in the air like "wow" or "what is that" - I'm not sure what they're looking at or thinking, but Luka barely jumps over a phone book and these guys never try to block his shot like gifs below - notice how 3 guys jump at MJ - Luka is not VIGOROUSLY defended like this in the paint or anywhere on the court:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-05-2024/x54m45.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/TGZukz.gif



And today's rules don't allow this kind of perimeter defense


https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/V2-pAN.gif


Touching a perimeter defender isn't allowed, while "impeding" "(playing defense) is literally banned - the defender must let the ball-handler go where he wants, and Luka takes full advantage of this, while other guys like SGA do too.. It's the ball-handler's era and you don't need athleticism to do it - just be around 6'6" with passing ability and it's 30/10/10 guaranteed - see Harden, Westbrook, SGA, Luka, Lebron, you name it.. The question is whether these guys could do it with defenders waiting in the paint (no spacing) and actually trying to vigorously block their shot (first 2 gifs) or defenders draped all over on the perimeter (3rd gif)... Instead, look at any Luka highlight where he scores in the paint and see that defenders don't try to block his shot - they just stand flat-footed and look up in bewilderment, and then on the perimeter they can't touch him.