I want you to watch this video and tell me who the more skilled player is

[FultzNationRISE]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-JccLFiDbg


When all the myths and narratives are stripped away and we're left with just the raw 1v1 evidence....


I think it's pretty clear who belongs top 3 and who doesn't.

[JohnMax]

Useless skills. He can't slash or shoot from perimeter.

[FultzNationRISE]

Useless skills. He can't slash or shoot from perimeter.


He was able to do both those things in that match up :biggums:

[3ball]

Peak vs Peak

Jordan 91-93' vs Shaq 00'-02'


REGULAR SEASON

Jordan.... 31.4 ppg.. 58.2 ts.. 122 ORtg.. 0.288 WS/48.. 3 All-Defense 1st Team, 2 MVP
Shaq...... 28.6 ppg.. 58.0 ts.. 115 ORtg.. 0.264 WS/48.. 2 All-Defense 2nd Team.. 1 MVP


PLAYOFFS

Jordan.... 33.7 ppg.. 57.2 ts.. 120 ORtg.. 0.267 WS/48
Shaq...... 29.9 ppg.. 56.2 ts.. 113 ORtg.. 0.238 WS/48


FINALS

Jordan.... 36.3 ppg.. 52.6 fg.. 84.3 ft... faced #5, #3, #9 defense... beat Magic-Drexler-Barkley
Shaq...... 35.9 ppg.. 59.5 fg.. 50.6 ft.. faced #13, #5, #1 defense.. beat Miller-Iverson-Kidd


(steals and blocks cancel out, along with rebounds and assists)
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[3ball]

mj had higher peak (see stats above) and those are mj's moves

mj invented that shake move

only mj led the league in scoring from 96-98' primarily from the post - Phil said he was the best post player in the game

the triangle has a spot for dominant big man (Shaq, Pau) - and MJ was in that role... that's why Phil said mj was the best post player in the game
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[Shogon]

(steals and blocks cancel out, along with rebounds and assists)


:roll: :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

2000 Shaq > any version of Jordan

[3ball]

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During the Bulls-Pistons series, the Pistons' 4th quarter policy was to double-team MJ every single time he touched the ball.. Here's an examle from Game 6 of 1989 ECF, starting at the 9 minute mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4W_0I82B18&t=1h21m11s) - MJ is double-teamed 10 of 13 times he touched the ball to finish out the game.. The 3 times he didn't get doubled were because he shot the ball immediately - here's all 10 double-teams shown in gifs:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11703590&postcount=88



Here's a video of MJ against Atlanta - he's double-teamed 12 of 13 possessions from the 6:40 mark to the 8:40 mark - the consecutive double-teams are shown in rapid succession:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLDGm8pV6uU&t=6m40s








2000 Shaq > any version of Jordan




Show me where 2000 Shaq commanded every-possession double-teams - literally 13 possessions in a row like I showed for MJ above

Show me where Shaq commanded that level of attention

I'll wait.

[FKAri]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-JccLFiDbg


When all the myths and narratives are stripped away and we're left with just the raw 1v1 evidence....


I think it's pretty clear who belongs top 3 and who doesn't.
When you take away the smoke and mirrors and it's just about ball, MJ gets exposed.

Here he is getting his shit pushed in by a mutual fund investor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B7U74Dg04k

It's pretty obvious to anyone who isn't a sheep that when you take away Stern, Nike, Mars Blackmon and the marketing gimmicks, MJ turns into just another nigguh who jumps high on the back of whom powerful white men can profit off of.

[Overdrive]

.
During the Bulls-Pistons series, the Pistons' 4th quarter policy was to double-team MJ every single time he touched the ball.. Here's an examle from Game 6 of 1989 ECF, starting at the 9 minute mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4W_0I82B18&t=1h21m11s) - MJ is double-teamed 10 of 13 times he touched the ball to finish out the game.. The 3 times he didn't get doubled were because he shot the ball immediately - here's all 10 double-teams shown in gifs:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11703590&postcount=88



Here's a video of MJ against Atlanta - he's double-teamed 12 of 13 possessions from the 6:40 mark to the 8:40 mark - the consecutive double-teams are shown in rapid succession:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLDGm8pV6uU&t=6m40s






Show me where 2000 Shaq commanded every-possession double-teams - literally 13 possessions in a row like I showed for MJ above

Show me where Shaq commanded that level of attention

I'll wait.

You're asking for proof of Shaq being doubled? :lol

[3ball]

You're asking for proof of Shaq being doubled? :lol
He was obviously doubled a lot

Just not as much as MJ

but most people won't realize this unless they watch the actual tape, which I provided above

btw, the link for Game 6 of 1989 ECF didn't work, but other versions can be found by searching for the game on youtube - and starting at the 9 minute mark of the 4th quarter, MJ is doubled every time he touched the ball... That's 13 straight times that he caught the ball - find something equivalent for Shaq and I'll believe the groupthink on this that Shaq was the most doubled player... otherwise, I'll go with the videotape over the groupthink