How many #2 options anchored a defense while outscoring the opposition's #2?

[SpaceJam2]

Pip ANCHORED the Bulls defense and outscored the oppositions #2 option 5 of 6 times. And the #1 option once (91 vs Lakers).

How many of MJ's Finals opponent #2 options would you take over Pippen?

[ZenMaster7210]

MJ the undisputed GOAT turned a bitch (PIPPEN) into a man and one of the 50 greatest ever. GOAT gonna GOAT!:applause: :pimp: :dancin :hammertime:

[3ball]

Pip ANCHORED the Bulls defense and outscored the oppositions #2 option 5 of 6 times. And the #1 option once (91 vs Lakers).

How many of MJ's Finals opponent #2 options would you take over Pippen?
Did Pippen ever lead his team to multiple 55+ win seasons and beat Magic's #1 seed to make the conference finals?

Because KJ did.


KJ could carry teams better because he led Pippen in usage (finishing plays) and assist percentage (finding the finisher).. Here's their other stats:



RS

KJ:.. 17.9.. 3.3.. 9.1.. 58.5 ts.. 118 ortg.. 20.7 PER.. 0.178 ws/48
Pip:. 16.2.. 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 108 ortg.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48


PO

KJ:.. 19.3.. 3.3.. 8.9.. 55.7 ts.. 113 ortg.. 19.1 PER.. 0.117 ws/48
Pip:. 17.5.. 7.6.. 5.0.. 52.4 ts.. 108 ortg.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48



KJ scores and assists far more than Pippen - it's not even close

So KJ, Payton and Stockton were all better #2 options... And Penny and Dumars were better in the ECF

[SpaceJam2]

Did Pippen ever lead his team to multiple 55+ win seasons and beat Magic's #1 seed to make the conference finals?

Because KJ did.


KJ could carry teams better because he led Pippen in usage (finishing plays) and assist percentage (finding the finisher).. Here's their other stats:



RS

KJ:.. 17.9.. 3.3.. 9.1.. 58.5 ts.. 118 ortg.. 20.7 PER.. 0.178 ws/48
Pip:. 16.2.. 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 108 ortg.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48


PO

KJ:.. 19.3.. 3.3.. 8.9.. 55.7 ts.. 113 ortg.. 19.1 PER.. 0.117 ws/48
Pip:. 17.5.. 7.6.. 5.0.. 52.4 ts.. 108 ortg.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48



So KJ, Payton and Stockton were all better #2 options


How many MVP votes did they get?

And defense?

Next!

[3ball]

How many MVP votes did they get?

And defense?

Next!
KJ didn't need a 3-peat system to win 55 games - he routinely won that on his own with better stats and deeper playoff runs than Pippen

That makes KJ the better player... If MJ had KJ instead of Pippen from 1988-1990, he 3-peats - KJ was top 10 in MVP voting in the late 80's, while Pippen was trash and needed MJ's tutelage to be good

[SpaceJam2]

KJ didn't need a 3-peat system to win 55 games - he routinely won that on his own with better stats and deeper playoff runs than Pippen

That makes KJ the better player... If MJ had KJ instead of Pippen from 1988-1990, he 3-peats - KJ was top 10 in MVP voting in the late 80's, while Pippen was trash and needed MJ's tutelage to be good

Which defense did KJ or Stockton anchor?

Focus up, How many #2 options anchored a defense while outscoring the opposition's #2?

[SouBeachTalents]

1993 Finals

Pippen: 21/9/8 on 46%TS
KJ: 17/3/7 on 49%TS

That's not even getting into defense

[3ball]

1993 Finals

Pippen: 21/9/8 on 46%TS
KJ: 17/3/7 on 49%TS

That's not even getting into defense
everyone knows that KJ was hurt

healthy KJ shits all over Pippen worse than he did Olajuwon

[SpaceJam2]

1993 Finals

Pippen: 21/9/8 on 46%TS
KJ: 17/3/7 on 49%TS

That's not even getting into defense


Close that one up

3ball getting cooked again

[3ball]

Which defense did KJ or Stockton anchor?

Focus up, How many #2 options anchored a defense while outscoring the opposition's #2?

MJ was the anchor, not Pippen



DPOY VOTING

1988.... MJ (1st).... Pip (none)
1989.... MJ (5th).... Pip (none)
1990.... MJ (5th).... Pip (none)
1991.... MJ (7th).... Pip (7th)
1992.... MJ (3rd).... Pip (3rd)
1993.... MJ (2nd)... Pip (none)
1996.... MJ (5th).... Pip (2nd)
1997.... MJ (5th).... Pip (4th)
1998.... MJ (4th).... Pip (9th)

[3ball]

Close that one up

3ball getting cooked again
if those stats shit on KJ

than the stats I posted have KJ shitting all over Pippen

[SpaceJam2]

MJ was the anchor, not Pippen



DPOY VOTING

1988.... MJ (1st).... Pip (none)
1989.... MJ (5th).... Pip (none)
1990.... MJ (5th).... Pip (none)
1991.... MJ (7th).... Pip (7th)
1992.... MJ (3rd).... Pip (3rd)
1993.... MJ (2nd)... Pip (none)
1996.... MJ (5th).... Pip (2nd)
1997.... MJ (5th).... Pip (4th)
1998.... MJ (4th).... Pip (9th)

"Jamie, pull up DefRtg for all 6 championship runs."

Oh. Pip was better, by far, every single year? MJ didnt even lead once? Was never under 101 ONCE? In 6 runs to the Finals?!

NEXT

:dancin :hammertime:

[3ball]

"Jamie, pull up DefRtg for all 6 championship runs."

Oh. Pip was better, by far, every single year? MJ didnt even lead once? Was never under 101 ONCE? In 6 runs to the Finals?!

NEXT

:dancin :hammertime:
DRtg measures defensive rebounds, which is why Bird has higher DRtg than Pippen

try again

[SpaceJam2]

DRtg measures defensive rebounds, which is why Bird has higher DRtg than Pippen

try again


Wrong

Also, we are comparing literal teammates

Pip played with MJ
Pip not play with Bird

So which year was MJ better on defense for any chip?

Why does MJ have ZERO runs to the Finals under 101 DefRtg?

Why did he crumble in the playoffs?

[3ball]

Wrong

Also, we are comparing literal teammates

Pip played with MJ
Pip not play with Bird

So which year was MJ better on defense for any chip?

Why does MJ have ZERO runs to the Finals under 101 DefRtg?

Why did he crumble in the playoffs?
Drtg measures defensive rebounds, which is why Bird has better Drtg than Pippen

So DRtg is garbage

And MJ finished higher in DPOY voting than Pippen basically every year, so he led the Bulls in defense for the 1991-1993 rings, and also 1998 when Pippen was hurt.

[SpaceJam2]

Drtg measures defensive rebounds, which is why Bird has better Drtg than Pippen

So DRtg is garbage

And MJ finished higher in DPOY voting than Pippen basically every year, so he led the Bulls in defense for the 1991-1993 rings, and also 1998 when Pippen was hurt.

So now rebounds are not a part of defense? :lol Sheeesh

I say again So which year was MJ better on defense for any chip?

Why does MJ have ZERO runs to the Finals under 101 DefRtg?

Why did he crumble in the playoffs?

[3ball]

So now rebounds are not a part of defense? :lol Sheeesh

I say again So which year was MJ better on defense for any chip?


all the years he was voted as the better defender - so that's 1988-1993 and 1998