I still don’t understand why Christians are so sure

[Walk on Water]

Anytime something bad happens they say it’s a sign that the devil is coming.

But I don’t understand why it has to be Christianity. What makes it better or more true than Scientology? Or what if I believe Superman is real? What makes Christianity more true? Just because it’s popular?

Let’s talk truth, not what’s famous. I’m not saying it can’t be true, but what makes it more true than other beliefs?

I feel too many people don’t wonder or think for themselves.

I’m not saying it’s bad to believe in a religion but when adults act like it’s all a fact and they use it to argue something political, they sorta look like a child.

The funny thing is that many religious people can seem two faced. They’ll say certain things to certain people, but embarrassed to present their beliefs to others.

When religion goes against science and explains things in fairy tales, it just looks silly and sad.

I’m not saying that you can’t believe what you believe, but it looks childish to try to force others to believe it when you have no proof. These people would laugh at you if you said Batman created the universe. To me, flat earthers are not even worse than religious people because at least they’re TRYING to look for proof, instead of just preaching. You know what I’m saying?

[iamgine]

One of the fundamental Christian doctrine is, unless God compels you to believe, you cannot have faith.

If you ask why they are so sure, perhaps God has compelled them.

If you ask what makes it truer or better, that is subjective.

If you are wondering about people laughing, there's a bible verse for that: "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God."

If you're looking for proof, refer back to the doctrine. It's you got to be chosen first sort of deal.

[rufuspaul]

It really makes one wonder: How many shit threads will it take for OP to be banned? :confusedshrug:

[TheMan]

It really makes one wonder: How many shit threads will it take for OP to be banned? :confusedshrug:

Yup, not necessary for OP to create threads whenever a thought pops into his little brain.

[Mr Exlax]

They are so sure because they have been indoctrinated to do so. They lack the critical thinking skills because they are programmed to be afraid to question anything.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

They are so sure because they have been indoctrinated to do so. They lack the critical thinking skills because they are programmed to be afraid to question anything.

Riiiighht.

That's why they have had lengthy arguments and fights over Doctrine, there have been Christians who go from sect to sect throughout their lives while continuously learning (for example, Baptism to Orthodox), there's entire volumes of scholarship on Biblical interpretations, and their monks/chaplains/priests need to study/meditate on Scripture for years before they get accredited in their respective fields. That's also why the Bible endorses knowledge and wisdom.

Yeah, they don't ask any questions or anything.

I mean the millions and millions of Christians who lead different lives of different degrees of faith, including having a rebellious teenage phases to being born again late rin life certainly never questioned their faith or anything during that stage--right. Your argument totes makes da sense!


And like a book like the Bible which has been the cornerstone of education for a portion of Western Civilization for 2,000+ years and contains parables upon wisdom upon proverbs upon stories within it leading to successful societies and civilizations is just "fairy tales."

And like forget about those Christians who died and were persecuted for their beliefs in the Roman Empire lulz. They totally didn't think for themselves when their whole society was by and large polytheistic and worshipped Roman Gods, and they totally were not thinkin' straight when they were fed to lions in the Colosseum for following Jesus.

[Patrick Chewing]

OP needs Jesus.

[highwhey]

It really makes one wonder: How many shit threads will it take for OP to be banned? :confusedshrug:

Jeff doesn't care. I've asked him and blaze multiple times. Blaze ignores it bc its the OTC.

Jeff deletes my posts when i ask him lol.

[Mr Exlax]

Riiiighht.

That's why they have had lengthy arguments and fights over Doctrine, there have been Christians who go from sect to sect throughout their lives while continuously learning (for example, Baptism to Orthodox), there's entire volumes of scholarship on Biblical interpretations, and their monks/chaplains/priests need to study/meditate on Scripture for years before they get accredited in their respective fields. That's also why the Bible endorses knowledge and wisdom.

Yeah, they don't ask any questions or anything.

I mean the millions and millions of Christians who lead different lives of different degrees of faith, including having a rebellious teenage phases to being born again late rin life certainly never questioned their faith or anything during that stage--right. Your argument totes makes da sense!


And like a book like the Bible which has been the cornerstone of education for a portion of Western Civilization for 2,000+ years and contains parables upon wisdom upon proverbs upon stories within it leading to successful societies and civilizations is just "fairy tales."

And like forget about those Christians who died and were persecuted for their beliefs in the Roman Empire lulz. They totally didn't think for themselves when their whole society was by and large polytheistic and worshipped Roman Gods, and they totally were not thinkin' straight when they were fed to lions in the Colosseum for following Jesus.

I'll be honest brother I gotta read through all that shit. I have difficulty picking up sarcasm via text as well. I will just say you are correct tho.

[tpols]

religion was created to control people.

go look up all the greatest philosophers of all time... brilliant minds. ancient greeks, chinese, indians, and more modern german and english ones.

They all come to the same conclusion and none of them agree with the heaven and hell for eternity bullshit. absolutely none of them.

[Manny98]

The Bible literally contradicts itself so many times it's hard to take seriously.

I'm surprised at the amount of blind sheep in this world that believe that God actually exists lol

[Patrick Chewing]

The Bible literally contradicts itself so many times it's hard to take seriously.

I'm surprised at the amount of blind sheep in this world that believe that God actually exists lol


And you think it’s the Bible that’s supposed to prove the existence of God??


I love how all you smart asses think you know more than the next guy in terms of religion and God.

[jstern]

The Bible literally contradicts itself so many times it's hard to take seriously.

I'm surprised at the amount of blind sheep in this world that believe that God actually exists lol

This post didn't feel like a Manny post. It didn't feel as simple. It felt more like the post of someone with a definite opinion with the ability of backing it up. I would love to see you have a debate with Patrick Chewing. So go ahead. You might go from Simple Manny to Handsome Manny.

[Manny98]

And you think it’s the Bible that’s supposed to prove the existence of God??


I love how all you smart asses think you know more than the next guy in terms of religion and God.

God doesn't exist, accept it :oldlol:

There is zero proof of there ever being a god but there is plenty of proof of the universe starting with a big bang

[Patrick Chewing]

God doesn't exist, accept it :oldlol:

There is zero proof of there ever being a god but there is plenty of proof of the universe starting with a big bang


And let me ask you, but what do you think God is? An old man with a big, gray beard?? :oldlol:


And to this day in 2020, anything relating to a "big bang" is merely a theory. There is actually more evidence of Creationism than there is the ol' "something from nothing" Big Bang argument.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Anytime something bad happens they say itÂ’s a sign that the devil is coming.

You're incorrect.

Bad things or trials happen in accordance to God's Will. It does not necessitate the Devil. The devil has zero power and is also subject to God's Will. Things like "natural disasters", plagues (see Egypt), and other things occur---and they can be trials/tribulations or punishment from God.

The devil is just an accursed creature that's jealous of human beings and strives to tempt them to commit evils so that they can be damned in Hell.

By the way, if you read the Revelations chapter in the Bible, they foreshadow the coming of the Antichrist and the return of Jesus. All these bad things happening are signs of the End Times.




But I donÂ’t understand why it has to be Christianity. What makes it better or more true than Scientology? Or what if I believe Superman is real? What makes Christianity more true? Just because itÂ’s popular?

Scientology was created by a guy named Hubbard and has nothing to do with connection with God (the word religion is latin that essentially means the connection between man and God), Superman was a character fictionally created by some comic book artist, and the Christian religion (well some of it) is based upon the teachings of Jesus Christ, an actual human being who was sent to restore the Law to the lost sheep of Israel a bit more than 2,000+ years ago. What he did was, by all accounts, miraculous, changing the world forever. If you actually read his life story, how he was born without a father, how he spoke in the cradle as a baby, how he came from humble origins as a carpenter, how the elites did their best to surpress and persecute him, how he preached on Mount Sermon---you'd come to the conclusion that this individual was a man of God. As were the Prophets that preceded him.

Try to discern between these 3.

And as for beliefs... We'll ask a few fundamental Q's and you can answer them (in your own mind)

What's the purpose of life? Why are we here?
What comes after death?
WHere are we going?
What's right, what's wrong and why?
Who am I?
Who is God?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

LetÂ’s talk truth, not whatÂ’s famous. IÂ’m not saying it canÂ’t be true, but what makes it more true than other beliefs?

The vast majority of people during Jesus's time were polytheistic or Jews....

The average high schooler in 2020's "religion" probably revolves around sports, technology, materialism, chasing girls and things of an earthly nature.... Had an authentic follower of Jesus come into their midst they'd likely see them as strange--and this was the case back then as well. Actually, Christians get called all kinds of names Â… "backwards, zealots, jesus freaks, prudes."




I feel too many people donÂ’t wonder or think for themselves.

There's nothing wrong with asking questions or thinking for one's self. It's when you unjustly attribute these things to religious followers and not secular people who chase certain fads unthinkingly. There are certain fundamental beliefs that a follower of a religion adopts, and then there's room for discourse in other areas. Their lives are disciplined in submission to God's Will--so they are more interested in laboring and praying and leaving some of the things they don't understand and entrusting it to God's wisdom.

As for "wondering," one can read the story of Abraham quickly, which demonstrates he had the intellectual courage to go against the spirit of his times (which was idolatry) where people offered sacrifices and food to stone idols, and he actually contemplated about the origin of the universe... who God is.. and criticized his people for the foolishness they had in offering devotions to things their own hands made.

Moreover, the pursuit of knowledge and the contemplation of God's creation are very much part of religion---having a humble heart in awe and reverence of God necessitates seeing the genius and workings behind the creation around us and reflecting on them.



IÂ’m not saying itÂ’s bad to believe in a religion but when adults act like itÂ’s all a fact and they use it to argue something political, they sorta look like a child.

People of a faith get their sense of wrong from their Scripture, and ultimately believe things are good or bad because God said they were good or bad.
A person of Christian faith will likely have a negative perspective on abortion, homosexuality, drugs, usury etc. as those things are explicitly sinful. That ties into their political opinions.
Doesn't make them childish.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

The funny thing is that many religious people can seem two faced. TheyÂ’ll say certain things to certain people, but embarrassed to present their beliefs to others.

Well, then they might not have the highest level of integrity or consistency. But it's hilarious (and sad) at how judgmental you are towards them, Walk on Water. They'd likely be the first to admit they aren't perfect and they would seek repentance--but you on the other hand are straight up calling them fools, indirectly calling them sheep, and now two faced.



When religion goes against science and explains things in fairy tales, it just looks silly and sad.

Umm.. last time I checked science is concerned with answering "How things came to be?" whereas religion focuses more on the spiritual life of the human being, the Hereafter, knowledge of God, the moral values of the human being, how to attain salvation, the lives of the Prophets before times, the fight between good vs. evil, Proverbs etc....

By the way, science can't answer every question. You do realize that other cultures--such as African and Native American culture --transmitted their wisdom via myths. Science is one tool to acquire some kind of knowledge, there are other ways. I think in Eastern Cultures they use koans too.




IÂ’m not saying that you canÂ’t believe what you believe, but it looks childish to try to force others to believe it when you have no proof. These people would laugh at you if you said Batman created the universe. To me, flat earthers are not even worse than religious people because at least theyÂ’re TRYING to look for proof, instead of just preaching. You know what IÂ’m saying?

Their proof is in their Scriptures and the word of their Prophets, as well as the millions of followers they have who are forbidden from lying and believe in the Day of Judgment where they will be rewarded or punished for their actions on Earth.

Why do you feel so threatened about them "forcing" things onto you? If you're so smart, Walk on Water, and if you're such a free thinker then shouldn't whatever it is you personally believe in be sufficient enough to counter any arguments they have?


As for the existence of God---a child can look outside and see trees, skies, squirrels, people, clouds, water, wind, and all kinds of things throughout their lives and they can ask themselves, "How did this come to be?" When he/she looks at say---a computer and realizes that it takes intelligence, power, and will of a high level to manufacture the circuitry, software, hardware of the CPU and then compare that to say something far more complex i.e. the human brain, they'd realize it takes a MUCH GREATER WILL, INTELLIGENCE, POWER to allow for the existence of human beings to exist. And on top of that the fact that each human being has an individual unique fingerprint.

They can deduce simply by reflecting on the existence of things around them that there is One All-Powerful Creator.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

God doesn't exist, accept it :oldlol:

There is zero proof of there ever being a god but there is plenty of proof of the universe starting with a big bang


Think really deeply about yourself.

Did you make yourself? Did you will yourself into existence? Did you transform yourself from a sperm clot into a human organism?

Next thing deeply about the Universe.

Do gigantic pieces of rock/gas simply follow an orbit for a long period of time? Are huge balls of light/gas situated in the sky, coincidentally, while humble man tries to find his way? Do hundreds and thousands of types of nourishment magically get assimilated into the body of hundreds and thousands of organisms, by chance? Do billions and trillions of cells just magically proportion themselves in an optimal way as they do in the various organisms you witness every day?

Would you agree that nothing happens without a cause? Then, Who caused the Big Bang to occur?



Now I challenge you to try an experiment. The reason I say this is because people who are vehement in disbelief have hearts hardened by sin.

Try this:
Cut off all the hours of entertainment and bad behavior from your life for just a week, and instead spend the time meditating outdoors and doing good to others. And pray with sincerity for forgiveness. Then see how open you are to believing in a Higher Power with an open mind and open heart.

[Patrick Chewing]

Praise Allah, J Money! Preach brother!

[Lakers Legend#32]

People who believe in the Bible are weak.

[Kungfro]

People of a faith get their sense of wrong from their Scripture, and ultimately believe things are good or bad because God said they were good or bad.
A person of Christian faith will likely have a negative perspective on abortion, homosexuality, drugs, usury etc. as those things are explicitly sinful. That ties into their political opinions.
Doesn't make them childish.

It's not really a matter of childishness. We are not a theocratic nation, and non-religious people shouldn't be forced to adhere to ancient religious texts. The bible is not even all that clear on abortion, and even promotes it at times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordeal_of_the_bitter_water

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordeal_of_the_bitter_water)In terms of homosexuality, while the bible does denounce it as immoral or sinful it doesn't do a very good job of explaining why that is the case. It's an issue that has a lot of churches divided too, with some recognizing the harm that the ideology has caused and how it may be pushing people away from the church, while the more conservative Christians (and especially African congregations) are more reluctant to simply drop certain teachings of the bible to fit modern views of morality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDQWQE-oztQ