WILDER vs. FURY 2 Fight Discussion

[Patrick Chewing]

https://www.fdbplus.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Poster-Deontay-Wilder-vs-Tyson-Fury-II-1024x1024.jpg

Make your predictions!

[Manny98]

Wilder 4th round K.O

[LAmbruh]

It's that one time a year where millions tune in to...


1. Act like they religiously follow a sport they
a) never follow
b) ever attempted

2. Know either of tonights headline challengers
a) first name
b) previous opponent






*checks Bovado odds*




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LETS


DO


THIS



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Brandon Fury with the 14 quater tap out

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[KD7]

Do I root for my country or my race?

Decisions...

[jongib369]

If Fury was going in to win on points I'd give the fight to him...But he's completely changed his game plan not playing to his strengths, so idk what to think...I've heard people say that Wilder in order to set up his powerful right hand needs space which Fury gives him fighting his usual way...With Fury weighing so much more he could have some success on the inside if he can get there...So I'm expecting Wilder to knock him the **** out in devastating fashion before the 7th round, or for Fury to either win via TKO, or on points. Points possibly if Wilder knocks him on his ass and he gets up like the damn undertaker again. It's all fun and games talking about changing your game plan up until you get hit by possibly the hardest one arm/punch heavyweight of all time.

Ishfam that knows more about boxing than I do...Do you guys agree with people when they say Wilder hits harder than Shavers, Tyson, Foreman etc? Not on all his punches, but just that one shot he's known for

[Patrick Chewing]

42 pound advantage for Fury coming in to tonight!!! Insane.

[DoctorP]

move to off court thread thank you

:milton

oh, wait...

[DoctorP]

https://i.imgur.com/ygnadTH.gif

[iamgine]

People will say it's obvious after the fact but Fury will win an easy fight, either by KO or by decision. Wilder is a much inferior boxer, like way way below Fury's level. Fury easily won the first fight, although got robbed on decision, despite being in a terrible shape. Fury is at the best shape of his life, he will toy with Wilder and win very easily.

[Rooster]

After Fury taking so much damage in his last fight, the odd of Wilder landing a one hitter quitter is better than Fury schooling him again. If it goes to the distance , Fury will not get robbed. I am leaning on Wilder winning it on a kisser.

[bergs14]

http://crackstreams.com/boxingstreams/watch-fox-wilder-vs-fury-ppv/

[highwhey]

is this the last undercard fight or the first one?

[Mask the Embiid]

Wilder by knockout

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

All these streams are lagging like ****.

Jesus Christ this is worse than the lag for the Conor/Floyd fight

[fsvr54]

Found a legit stream here, no buffering, at least not at the moment.
http://www.corenko.world/BOXING

Thanks

[Wally450]

Fury by decision. He'll get knocked down at least once though.

[FashionIssues]

wilder in 4

[highwhey]

any working streams?

[bergs14]

any working streams?
Check last post of page 1.

[Patrick Chewing]

These costumes....:facepalm

[highwhey]

Check last post of page 1.
:cheers:

These costumes....:facepalm

:oldlol:

[FashionIssues]

round 1 was even

[highwhey]

is ova. fury won.

[FashionIssues]

wilder down!

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Furys gonna stop him in the middle rounds at this rate

[highwhey]

damn. real talk tho, that one hit even before the knock down seems to have dazed wilder.

[imdaman99]

Trouble for Wilder.

[FashionIssues]

wilder down again. he’s taxed

[Patrick Chewing]

Wowwwwww taking a point away is such bullshit!!

[highwhey]

props to wilder for continuing but it looks like he's done man

[highwhey]

Wowwwwww taking a point away is such bullshit!!

pretty sure holding someone in a headlock and uppercutting them while doing so is not legal

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Size disadvantage finally taking its toll on Wilder

hes getting beat up like hes a cruiser in this one

[FashionIssues]

tko coming up

[highwhey]

tko coming up

surprised they haven't called it already

[Im Still Ballin]

Wow. WOOOOOW!

Best in the world!

[highwhey]

surprised they haven't called it already

and there we have it

[Patrick Chewing]

Too easy.

[imdaman99]

That was a wreckage

[Mask the Embiid]

Busted eardrum.His equilibrium was off all night long.Needs to drop his terrible corner, they did absolutely nothing to help him

[ShawkFactory]

Busted eardrum.His equilibrium was off all night long.Needs to drop his terrible corner, they did absolutely nothing to help him

Dude got his shit rocked by a better boxer. What are you even talking about?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Fury is a monster. Best HW post Lennox TBH. Hes better than Vitali or Wlad

****ing Wilder man SMH. All he really is is a right hand

[Patrick Chewing]

Busted eardrum.His equilibrium was off all night long.Needs to drop his terrible corner, they did absolutely nothing to help him

They saved his life lol

[Mask the Embiid]

They saved his life lol

and he's gonna save their life too when he hires Freddy Roach and fires every last one of them

[Wally450]

Dude got his shit rocked by a better boxer. What are you even talking about?

He's just mad a white guy beat a black guy.

[Mask the Embiid]

He's just mad a white guy beat a black guy.

10s' of thousands of whites, broke out in song after Fury won....That says its all rofl...pathetic

fk this shit im done for the night.disappointing night for sports.

[iamgine]

Fury at his best is at all time great level. The guy toyed with Klitchko for 12 rounds. How many boxers in history would not only beat, but toyed with Klitchko? I reckon very few. He showed this tonight. Not only beating a much inferior boxer in Wilder, but throughly dominated him.

[Patrick Chewing]

10s' of thousands of whites, broke out in song after Fury won....That says its all rofl...pathetic

fk this shit im done for the night.disappointing night for sports.

Yes, go watch some reruns of What's Happening to cheer you up.

[KD7]

UK > US :banana:

AJ vs Fury next

[ShawkFactory]

10s' of thousands of whites, broke out in song after Fury won....That says its all rofl...pathetic

fk this shit im done for the night.disappointing night for sports.

So you confirm that you’re just mad that a white man won...

Sick.

I had money on wilder...but goddamn. He’s got such heart and will and wanted to keep going. Probably in his best interest that he didn’t. It was already over before the 7th began but when Fury started throwing again all of us yelled stop this fight.

[1987_Lakers]

Happy for Fury, was pissed that the judges robbed him in the 1st fight but he came back even stronger in the rematch. Wilder was totally outclassed, his lack of boxing skills finally caught up to him, but he showed alot of heart tonight.

[bladefd]

People will say it's obvious after the fact but Fury will win an easy fight, either by KO or by decision. Wilder is a much inferior boxer, like way way below Fury's level. Fury easily won the first fight, although got robbed on decision, despite being in a terrible shape. Fury is at the best shape of his life, he will toy with Wilder and win very easily.

Right on the money :cheers:

Fury came out of the gate tearing it up. He deserved this one - I thought he definitely won the first fight too but corrupt judges screwed him over

[scuzzy]

3rd round KO after the Fury's overhand to the black dudes temple, with an xtra 4 rounds of a guy knocked out 1/2 unconscious standing up

props to black dude for going another 4, dude was a wobbling mess just trying to survive

haven't seen a boxing beatdown that lasted so many defenseless rounds, there was a very real chance Fury could have ended his life

props to Boxing and the two participants tonight, very entertaining :cheers:

[Ghost1]

https://streamable.com/97m08

[tpols]

Fury at his best is at all time great level. The guy toyed with Klitchko for 12 rounds. How many boxers in history would not only beat, but toyed with Klitchko? I reckon very few. He showed this tonight. Not only beating a much inferior boxer in Wilder, but throughly dominated him.

he's not a homo sapien. Neanderthal fella. You cant beat those genes and that strength its like fighting a separate species. The fact hes skilled as hell is the cherry on top.

[AlternativeAcc.]

3rd round KO after the Fury's overhand to the black dudes temple, with an xtra 4 rounds of a guy knocked out 1/2 unconscious standing up

props to black dude for going another 4, dude was a wobbling mess just trying to survive

haven't seen a boxing beatdown that lasted so many defenseless rounds, there was a very real chance Fury could have ended his life

props to Boxing and the two participants tonight, very entertaining :cheers:

5* recap Amigo, would've payed good money had I known a man would almost lose his life in there. Fury taking us back to the Gladiator days :applause:


Also just saw the post fight interview where Fury savagely sings American Pie with the crowd. What a moment!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvP9SE0QA9o

[warriorfan]

That was brutal. It should have got called at least a round and a half earlier. Wilder was looking really woozy. Was still a good fight. I’ll take that over a Mayweather fight any day.

[Manny98]

UK > US :banana:

AJ vs Fury next
This

These Americans can't hang with us :banana:

[tpols]

just rewatched the fight.

its insane how far wilder has gotten with 1 punch. All he has is that donkey kong super smash bros wind up right.

He's probably the least skilled boxer to ever get as far as he got.

[Wally450]

just rewatched the fight.

its insane how far wilder has gotten with 1 punch. All he has is that donkey kong super smash bros wind up right.

He's probably the least skilled boxer to ever get as far as he got.


He fought tomato cans and padded his record.

Most boxers that constantly get knockouts in their earlier fights start to see that number stagnate because they're fighting other good/great fighters. Something that can't be said about Wilder.

[DoctorP]

Fury happily drank the dudes blood. Nuff said.

[dude77]

:oldlol:

https://i.postimg.cc/yYhJqJhW/6-D7-FEB38-25-D1-4-A97-BDA6-65-EED26-F5-DF2.jpg

[dude77]

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[dude77]

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[dude77]

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[dude77]

wilder knows he can't beat fury .. he was getting ragdolled and utterly dominated .. it was like a man beating up a child .. I almost felt bad for dw .. fury took his soul last night .. he may not recover from this .. bullies who get put down usually don't .. after the fight, wilder looked like someone had killed his family .. homeboy looked suicidal .. he got 'close' last time because he was fighting a fury coming off a massive layoff and even then he should have lost that fight to a guy who'd barely fought for 3 yrs .. we saw the reality of their matchup when fury is in form .. it's no match

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[dude77]

https://i.ibb.co/QnsWfPQ/aaaa.png (https://imgbb.com/)

[tpols]

how much weight did tyson have on that guy?

Deontay may have bigger arms but look at their torsos and legs... he was totally dwarfed.

[fsvr54]

That blood licking was insane. This was definitely a spectacle. Mad I didn't put money on the fight.

[Lebron23]

Tyson Fury would me a matchup problem for any heavyweight in History.

[dude77]

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[dude77]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERb_k4NWoAAH1VU?format=jpg&name=medium

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5f/ff/a9/5fffa91126c862fd545e5bbe8853d60e.jpg

[Im so nba'd out]

dude77 for a 'conservative/stone cold redneck' you sure get a kick out of black twitter.You hover around it non stop like a moth to a light

any other memes you want to post from black twitter you vulture

[DoctorP]

That blood licking was insane. This was definitely a spectacle. Mad I didn't put money on the fight.

:lol

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HideousHarmfulArrowworm-size_restricted.gif

absolute SAVAGE

[highwhey]

dude77 for a 'conservative/stone cold redneck' you sure get a kick out of black twitter.You hover around it non stop like a moth to a light

any other memes you want to post from black twitter you vulture

he also hovers thecoli.com which is like 99% black forum.

weird dude.

[scuzzy]

Most of Patricks/Dude77 posts are all linked to 4chan - /r/thedonald, that's why most their material always floods like females finding cute pictures on pinterest thread

Pintrist_Ewing77



dude posts a pic of Trump and American icons, he has no idea that a Brit beat the US guy last night :oldlol:

[sd3035]

LMAO at Wilder

After all that black power cringe, he got utterly dominated by a whitey

:roll::roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

Most of Patricks/Dude77 posts are all linked to 4chan - /r/thedonald, that's why most their material always floods like females finding cute pictures on pinterest thread

Pintrist_Ewing77



dude posts a pic of Trump and American icons, he has no idea that a Brit beat the US guy last night :oldlol:


I’ve literally never visited 4chan before in my life. Good old Google search engine is all I use to find my gifs.

[Mask the Embiid]

LMAO at Wilder

After all that black power cringe, he got utterly dominated by a whitey

:roll::roll:

I would hope a 6'9 man who outweighs his opponent by 40 pounds (so pretty much triple g vs rigo http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/roll.gif) would dominate his opponent.Even with the racial disadvantage going Triple G's way.


I would hope a gypsie who comes from 3 generations of fighters could beat a man, several weight classes under him in boxing (a sport which the smaller man picked up in his early 20's).In 2 attempts at least once.


Im done with thread.Congrats to the Gypsie King

[sd3035]

I would hope a 6'9 man who outweighs his opponent by 40 pounds (so pretty much triple g vs rigo http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/roll.gif) would dominate his opponent.Even with the racial disadvantage going Triple G's way.


I would hope a gypsie who comes from 3 generations of fighters could beat a man, several weight classes under him in boxing (a sport which the smaller man picked up in his early 20's).In 2 attempts at least once.


Im done with thread.Congrats to the Gypsie King

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[Mask the Embiid]

I would hope a 6'9 man who outweighs his opponent by 40 pounds (so pretty much triple g vs rigo ]) would dominate his opponent.Even with the racial disadvantage going Triple G's way.


I would hope a gypsie who comes from 3 generations of fighters could beat a man, several weight classes under him in boxing (a sport which the smaller man picked up in his early 20's).In 2 attempts at least once.


Im done with thread.Congrats to the Gypsie King

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCPKNtNV0AAcY39.jpg
this is a just a 17 pound weight difference....2 weight class difference


https://news.bbc.co.uk/sol/shared/bsp/hi/image_maps/05/9/1128077506/img/image.gif
Wilder was 4 1/2 weight classes under Fury....So pretty much chocolatito vs Cotto.....Cotto would win by stoppage with one punch if that fight ever happened....

What wilder did was amazing.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcR-TSZLmIz7TYFpQk2ikljNQDDjwcko6cHTaAJOhWXSKbohoD8w

40 pound weight differences examples

[Mask the Embiid]

40-pound weight difference in video games


https://i.postimg.cc/nLKhhCSf/SYKxhMl.jpg


clearly a little exaggerated but you get the point....substantial difference in size

[Patrick Chewing]

^ Meltdown

[jongib369]

I wonder which face the ref was making during this moment?


https://news-image-prod-imgix.tech.tvnz.co.nz/content/dam/images/news/2020/02/24/heavyweight-boxer-tyson-fury-licks-dripping-blood-from-opponents.hashed.b66bde39.desktop.story.share.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcSgHOFVAAEs-Zm.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ASmeuzzE7KM/hqdefault.jpg

[jongib369]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/01/27/14/9044746-0-image-a-36_1548598550838.jpg

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https://i2.wp.com/www.boxingnewsandviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/boxing-referee-steve-willis.jpg


https://twitter.com/ChadSKennedy/status/1038861496854360064/photo/1

[sd3035]

^ Meltdown


He had a significant meltdown after he said he was leaving the thread

:applause::applause::roll:

[Wally450]

Can we discuss how Fury didn't lick the blood on Wilder's shoulder?

Everyone thinks he did because of the perspective.

[Jasper]

I have watched many fights , and was really disappointed with Steve the ref. He was breaking up way to many clinches and should of let the fighters fight their way out of it. (Wilder- would of made the fight interesting then)
Fury stuck to a game plan , and there was 7 rounds of no response from Wilder.

Granted these guys are titans who would knock anyone's head off , but the match was set up for a pure knock out.
Like any boxer , Fury is intimidating because of his size , but if he was in a fight and his opposition hurt him , he would be just a giant falling down.
Rematch Wilder - is going to have to actually box, and hopefully stay away from left jab's.

[ShawkFactory]

I have watched many fights , and was really disappointed with Steve the ref. He was breaking up way to many clinches and should of let the fighters fight their way out of it. (Wilder- would of made the fight interesting then)
Fury stuck to a game plan , and there was 7 rounds of no response from Wilder.

Granted these guys are titans who would knock anyone's head off , but the match was set up for a pure knock out.
Like any boxer , Fury is intimidating because of his size , but if he was in a fight and his opposition hurt him , he would be just a giant falling down.
Rematch Wilder - is going to have to actually box, and hopefully stay away from left jab's.
Dude Fury went down twice in their first fight. One of which was a KO shot that no Wilder opponent has even gotten up from before..

[Jasper]

we are talking about current fight

[ShawkFactory]

we are talking about current fight

You seemed to be playing the what if game about him going down.

[Wally450]

I have watched many fights , and was really disappointed with Steve the ref. He was breaking up way to many clinches and should of let the fighters fight their way out of it. (Wilder- would of made the fight interesting then)
Fury stuck to a game plan , and there was 7 rounds of no response from Wilder.

Granted these guys are titans who would knock anyone's head off , but the match was set up for a pure knock out.
Like any boxer , Fury is intimidating because of his size , but if he was in a fight and his opposition hurt him , he would be just a giant falling down.
Rematch Wilder - is going to have to actually box, and hopefully stay away from left jab's.

Kenny Bayless was the ref.

[ROCSteady]

ESPN salty af lol

There's a lot of racists at that channel that just love to pump up the brash, charismatic black athletes for "dAh CuLtUrE" which is why I'm glad Fury got redemption for his last win against Wilder, whom I actually like a great deal. Real n**** right there

[Draz]

There shouldn't be a rematch. Wilder can't handle him.

[dude77]

dude77 for a 'conservative/stone cold redneck' you sure get a kick out of black twitter.You hover around it non stop like a moth to a light

any other memes you want to post from black twitter you vulture


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[dude77]

There shouldn't be a rematch. Wilder can't handle him.

https://static1.fjcdn.com/comments/Hes+right+you+know+_3f9a5e2ca9af9dad5df588da0bcb8f 70.jpg

[dude77]

the next fight should be fury/joshua period .. if that's not the next fight, then we know pro boxing is not about defining who's the top dog .. there's no other fight that should have any priority over that one

[BarberSchool]

the next fight should be fury/joshua period .. if that's not the next fight, then we know pro boxing is not about defining who's the top dog .. there's no other fight that should have any priority over that oneJoshua sells out huge stadiums in the UK. He makes tons of money no matter who he is fighting. Even if Joshua wants to fight Fury (which I doubt after seeing Fury actually half in shape against Wilder), Joshua’s people will want to let him fight smaller men, and keep the goose laying golden eggs $$$

Also, do not discount the very real possibility of Fury gettin back on alcohol/cocaine and getting fat again. When he doesn’t have a clear goal he actually cares about, he does that every time. He lost 100lbs to fight klitschko, he lost 140 to fight Wilder the first time. Now unless Joshua says something extremely disrespectful, Fury won’t be motivated and goal oriented and will be at risk for not caring anymore AGAIN.

[BarberSchool]

ESPN salty af lol

There's a lot of racists at that channel that just love to pump up the brash, charismatic black athletes for "dAh CuLtUrE" which is why I'm glad Fury got redemption for his last win against Wilder, whom I actually like a great deal. Real n**** right thereI think Al Jaffe and all the old Ashkenazi guys who run ESPN have long wanted to USE black athletes as their Muscle, in their vengeful assault on the western world they hate so much, but given all the stabbings and attacks from black America on the Jewish community lately, I’m not entirely sure this mindstate will persist much longer, after this boomer generation of Ashkenazi guys passes on.

Younger Ashkenazi guys like Max Kellerman who grew up around golden era hip hop, and multiracial America, DO NOT identify the same way as their fathers and grandfathers did. Thankfully. Max is a perfect example of someone who has gotten past all that, and hopefully will act as an example going forward.

Max knows very well the racial element of blxing’s history, and how it still holds real estate in the minds of older fans, but he actually spoke brilliantly about that very dynamic just last week, on FOX SPORTS 1 of all places.

Max has a contract with ESPN, but when it comes to boxing, he has some freedom to participate and bring his wealth of knowledge and judgement to joint ventures between ESPN & others.

Thankfully, cause many voices from several sides covering this fight and it’s optics, especially on ESPN, are not helping American racial relations in 2020, with what the political media has done over the last 4 years to divide white and black more than any time in my life.

ESPN’s “white vs black” undertones (exemplified most animatedly by Skip Bayless & Steven A Smith) have ran their course and they have steadily lost ratings because of it, especially since 2015-2016, when ignorant lower middle class / working class white had a change in attitude and has been cutting their cable, finding “entertainment” increasingly disgusting and distasteful, and are getting involved in politics and law again.

This boxing match was not what they hoped for, but it may get that same demographic interested again in spending their money on boxing, which could be utilized as a divisive distraction again.

It’s a very strange & interesting time to be alive as a multiracial person in America. With a very wide stance with feet in every community. And this fight was a timestamp in the early 21st century of such a seachange.

[BarberSchool]

Here are two clips that showcase not only Max’s encyclopedic knowledge of boxing, and how to apply it to this fight we just saw. But also about the history outside of the ring, and how boxing’s racially promoted past still haunts the sport to this day:

https://youtu.be/A_9fWbFZJNk

https://youtu.be/-LuIOir53qk

[Long Duck Dong]

Is it only me that finds Fury's fights incredibly boring? Looks like a giant ogre in the ring swinging and punching what looks like easily telegraphed strikes.

Yeah yeah. I know he's supposed to be super skilled and as an admittedly person who doesn't follow a lot of boxing except for the big fights, I know people will say it's because I don't understand the sport. But with Wilder's speed and strength I don't see how he could not lay this fool out. Pretty sure Fury would get murdered by almost every elite fighter over 200lbs in the MMA.

[BarberSchool]

Is it only me that finds Fury's fights incredibly boring? Looks like a giant ogre in the ring swinging and punching what looks like easily telegraphed strikes.

Yeah yeah. I know he's supposed to be super skilled and as an admittedly person who doesn't follow a lot of boxing except for the big fights, I know people will say it's because I don't understand the sport. But with Wilder's speed and strength I don't see how he could not lay this fool out. Pretty sure Fury would get murdered by almost every elite fighter over 200lbs in the MMA.I’ll make it very simple to understand:

1. Wilder is a horrible boxer, who despite having a quick twitch right hand, has very slow feet and very slow telegraphed punches. Low body fat and ripped build does not equal speed/quickness.
2. Wilder literally ONLY has a straight right hand, that requires THREE things to work with full impact:
-A. Wilder needs to be moving forward and be able to plant his feet as far apart as possible. MOVING BACKWARDS THE WHOLE FIGHT really ruins him.
-B. Wilder needs to use his pawing left jab to be able to measure distance and act as a bullseye, for his right.
-C. Wilder needs his opponent to not move quickly and often, and especially needs them not to have great head movement. See: Luis Ortiz until he got tired. Even small movements like what Ortiz was doing, make deontay unable to land his one leveraged shot.

I know that seems shocking to read, but Wilder is truly that much of a handicapped one trick pony with terrible boxing skill. The media, his manufactured record (deontay has only really fought 4 real opponents) , and hype machine just made casuals feel otherwise.

Also, when you say “wilder’s speed and strength” you are blinded by low bodyfat and huge deltoids. Deontay, for the heavyweight division, has an incredibly weak frail torso, and weak frail set of legs and when a bigger 270lb monster is leaning on him for a few rounds , his legs, obliques, and lower back tire out almost immediately which takes away all his power.

[Wally450]

the next fight should be fury/joshua period .. if that's not the next fight, then we know pro boxing is not about defining who's the top dog .. there's no other fight that should have any priority over that one

Boxing has always been this way. The fights we want to see are not the fights we get. Corrupt promoters.

[sd3035]

A rematch would be dumb

Wilder is not capable of competing with someone with such superior skills and intelligence

[ShawkFactory]

Just watched it back...it’s absolutely crazy the Deontay made it to the 7th. The 3rd round and 5th rounds were enormous beatings.

[iamgine]

Do they have immediate rematch clause in the contract if Wilder lost? I know they had that in the first fight.

This rematch might be Wilder's last big payday. So he better do it.

[Patrick Chewing]

Do they have immediate rematch clause in the contract if Wilder lost? I know they had that in the first fight.

This rematch might be Wilder's last big payday. So he better do it.


I agree with the boxing experts when they say that since this loss was such a bad one for him, that his promoters have to build him up again in order to make a rematch worthwhile. The bigger draw right now is for a title unification fight with Anthony Joshua. In the meantime, let Wilder feast on inferior opponents at his lighter weight again and then fight the winner of Fury/Joshua in 2021.

[iamgine]

I agree with the boxing experts when they say that since this loss was such a bad one for him, that his promoters have to build him up again in order to make a rematch worthwhile. The bigger draw right now is for a title unification fight with Anthony Joshua. In the meantime, let Wilder feast on inferior opponents at his lighter weight again and then fight the winner of Fury/Joshua in 2021.
Not so sure on that. Yes, what I (and everyone) wants to see is Fury-Joshua. But I think there's enough excuse to make the public buys Wilder-Fury III. From Wilder's weakened leg to his new weight. There's enough intrigue in there. So from Wilder's perspective, I'd rather do the rematch than risk losing against inferior fighters and lose that big payday altogether. Don't forget that Wilder is 34 and this is around the time athletes go downhill in athleticism.

[sd3035]

Not so sure on that. Yes, what I (and everyone) wants to see is Fury-Joshua. But I think there's enough excuse to make the public buys Wilder-Fury III. From Wilder's weakened leg to his new weight. There's enough intrigue in there. So from Wilder's perspective, I'd rather do the rematch than risk losing against inferior fighters and lose that big payday altogether. Don't forget that Wilder is 34 and this is around the time athletes go downhill in athleticism.

Wilder doesn't deserve a rematch, he's clearly not on Fury's level

The intelligence disadvantage is just too much to overcome for Wilder

He should go back to crushing cans

[BarberSchool]

Wilder doesn't deserve a rematch, he's clearly not on Fury's level

The intelligence disadvantage is just too much to overcome for Wilder

He should go back to crushing cansif his team is smart they will slowly build him back up on lesser competition, including decent comp like Wallin & Ruiz then fight the loser of Fury-Joshua, then the winner lol

[BarberSchool]

Do they have immediate rematch clause in the contract if Wilder lost? I know they had that in the first fight.

This rematch might be Wilder's last big payday. So he better do it.30 day rematch clause. If their research in the next 25 days leads them to believe he can still sell lots of PPV’s against Wallin and Ruiz, they won’t exercise the rematch clause.

It’s basically, do they want:

ONE BIG CAREER ENDING PAYDAY

Or 2-3 smaller paydays and then ANOTHER big payday or two with Fury/Joshua.

[iamgine]

30 day rematch clause. If their research in the next 25 days leads them to believe he can still sell lots of PPV’s against Wallin and Ruiz, they won’t exercise the rematch clause.

It’s basically, do they want:

ONE BIG CAREER ENDING PAYDAY

Or 2-3 smaller paydays and then ANOTHER big payday or two with Fury/Joshua.
If I were him I'd take the big payday now, and then down the line maybe take the loser of Fury/Joshua.

You think he won't lose to Ruiz or Wallin? He basically lost badly to a 40 year old Ortiz before KOing him. This path is a huge risk.

[BarberSchool]

If I were him I'd take the big payday now, and then down the line maybe take the loser of Fury/Joshua.

You think he won't lose to Ruiz or Wallin? He basically lost badly to a 40 year old Ortiz before KOing him. This path is a huge risk.

OF Course, it’s possible Ruiz pressure could overwhelm him inside at a different level than Tyson’s did. But less likely. Ruiz has a much more treacherous path inside than Tyson did.

Tyson was hitting Deontay with accumulating shots ON HIS WAY IN, by using his reach/length footwork advantage, then once inside out of the danger zone, leaning on deontay and fighting in the clinch with body shots until Kenny Bayless would seperate them. He even started doing leaning headlocks in the 3rd/4th whenever deontay would duck under accumulating entrance punches, and have a decent second or two leaning on his neck, and was causing discomfort despite not being able to be as obvious as an outright hard choking headlock.

On the times Deontay didn’t duck under, and actually threw counters, Tyson rolled back with them and extended both arms like Klitschko used to, to minimize any contact deontay could get at the end of his reach.

Ruiz is SHORT. He will not be able to throw long strikes to COVER his jump ins.
Or straight arm deontay on the way out to minimize impact. Ruiz is a much easier target. Ruiz is very busy and has very fast hands, would be a nice contrast in styles and builds, but after losing a few rounds, Deontay would get Ruiz on both heels on the end of a pushing jab, and come right behind it with payola.

Same with Wallin. Dude only has a 78” reach. And doesn’t have the extension of Luis Ortiz. Deontay can paw at his distance with minimal risk. When Wallin stops moving his head for a second or two, then POW.

On the flip side, how many PPV’s can he sell with Ruiz, Wallin, etc RIGHT NOW, while his fan base still believes:

1. Breland threw towel early. We fired that nicca.
2. My leg was hurt.
3. We thought Fury was bullsh1ttin about bullying me
4. I would have knocked him out once he got tired

Now, if he instead chooses to fight Fury again right away, and gets beaten badly again which is very likely, then any other fight he can actually get won’t sell well. His fan base will give up on him cause they like frontrunning winners.

I think he will make more money working himself back slowly, and will have more time to develop a rematch game plan for Fury bullying.

[sd3035]

if his team is smart they will slowly build him back up on lesser competition, including decent comp like Wallin & Ruiz then fight the loser of Fury-Joshua, then the winner lol

His team certainly doesn't seem very bright

If he had someone like Cus D'amato or Freddie Roach when he was younger, he'd probably be a great boxer not just a can crusher who swings wild haymakers

[iamgine]

OF Course, it’s possible Ruiz pressure could overwhelm him inside at a different level than Tyson’s did. But less likely. Ruiz has a much more treacherous path inside than Tyson did.

Tyson was hitting Deontay with accumulating shots ON HIS WAY IN, by using his reach/length footwork advantage, then once inside out of the danger zone, leaning on deontay and fighting in the clinch with body shots until Kenny Bayless would seperate them. He even started doing leaning headlocks in the 3rd/4th whenever deontay would duck under accumulating entrance punches, and have a decent second or two leaning on his neck, and was causing discomfort despite not being able to be as obvious as an outright hard choking headlock.

On the times Deontay didn’t duck under, and actually threw counters, Tyson rolled back with them and extended both arms like Klitschko used to, to minimize any contact deontay could get at the end of his reach.

Ruiz is SHORT. He will not be able to throw long strikes to COVER his jump ins.
Or straight arm deontay on the way out to minimize impact. Ruiz is a much easier target. Ruiz is very busy and has very fast hands, would be a nice contrast in styles and builds, but after losing a few rounds, Deontay would get Ruiz on both heels on the end of a pushing jab, and come right behind it with payola.

Same with Wallin. Dude only has a 78” reach. And doesn’t have the extension of Luis Ortiz. Deontay can paw at his distance with minimal risk. When Wallin stops moving his head for a second or two, then POW.

On the flip side, how many PPV’s can he sell with Ruiz, Wallin, etc RIGHT NOW, while his fan base still believes:

1. Breland threw towel early. We fired that nicca.
2. My leg was hurt.
3. We thought Fury was bullsh1ttin about bullying me
4. I would have knocked him out once he got tired

Now, if he instead chooses to fight Fury again right away, and gets beaten badly again which is very likely, then any other fight he can actually get won’t sell well. His fan base will give up on him cause they like frontrunning winners.

I think he will make more money working himself back slowly, and will have more time to develop a rematch game plan for Fury bullying.

I disagree based on Wilder's age and the fact that a 40 years old Ortiz beat him pretty badly. I'd still somewhat favor him against Ruiz, but more like 52-48 type of favoring. Which means I think the risk of him losing is pretty huge. Now, if he lost to Ruiz, then his title contending career is basically over. If he lost again to Fury, I think he could still make some money fighting Ruiz or Usyk. Then he can still take on the loser of Fury-Joshua if he wins that. There's also no guarantee Fury won't retire after he fight and rematch Joshua. Even if Fury didn't retire, Wilder would be 36 years old at that point. Do we really think Wilder will age like Ortiz, Larry Holmes or Mayweather where they had skills to compensate for declining athleticism? I certainly don't.