Will 35-year old Lebron elevate in the playoffs like 98' MJ did? (stats inside)

[3ball]

Jordan 98' RS... 25.2 PER.. 0.238 ws/48.. 5.9 obpm.. 20.0 gmsc.. +7.3.... 9.7 net rating
Lebron 20' RS... 25.6 PER.. 0.209 ws/48.. 6.5 obpm.. 21.2 gmsc.. +8.4.. 10.7 net rating
Jordan 98' PO... 28.1 PER.. 0.265 ws/48.. 8.0 obpm.. 22.2 gmsc.. +7.7.. 10.2 net rating


I still give MJ the regular season edge because he led the bulls to the 1 seed for the first 35 games without Pippen (barely top 15 in 1998), while Lebron had MVP-caliber AD to take pressure off and boost efficiency..

Also, league-wide ortg was 105.0 in 1998, compared to 110.2 today - so defenses allow 5 more points per 100 possessions today on average (10-20 for the best teams)

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Regular-season probably goes to Lebron. I think he's played better defense and has been the superior playmaker.

Bron really has turned it up the last month or so. And looks better than he did all of last year. Good defense and attacking the paint with veracity. These past few games, he's also gotten more rhythm with his 3-point shot.

Mike's 1998 postseason run was legendary. Don't know if Bron will eclipse that, but at 35, he's paced himself for a potential epic playoff run.

[3ball]

Regular-season probably goes to Lebron. I think he's played better defense and has been the superior playmaker.

Bron really has turned it up the last month or so. And looks better than he did all of last year. Good defense and attacking the paint with veracity. These past few games, he's also gotten more rhythm with his 3-point shot.

Mike's 1998 postseason run was leg toendary. Don't know if Bron will eclipse that, but at 35, he's paced himself for a potential epic playoff run.
Pippen was out half the year in 98' - if Lebron was missing AD for half the year, he might break down like last year when he had to carry the load.. Having AD for a full year versus a half year makes a big difference and should tilt it in MJ's favor.

And I'll give Lebron the edge in personal stats for the regular season, but 2nd three-peat MJ had goat team offenses/ortgs with much less offensive help (because MJ had skills needed for the triangle to work as intended).

So the Lakers would have the #1 offense in the league if MJ was paired with this era's David Robinson and hand-picked the best coach he thought was available.. Heck, 99' MJ would've returned for that scenario rather than the rebuild he dreaded.

With a far more devastating offense and a better brand than Vogel can achieve with Lebron's skillset, the Lakers would threaten 70 wins and be considered locks to win.. That's better than the current hand-wringing over whether the Lakers should be favored or whether they have enough to win.. Even lebron fans admit that MJ elevates good casts better - he was always a lock with a cast, and this Laker cast certainly qualifies..

So the regular season stats mean little because MJ's stats are close and he elevates the team to greater heights/would give this Laker team a better chance to win

And another factor is clutch - From 2004-2019 (Lebron's entire career), Lebron shot 41% on 3.0 attempts down the stretch of tight games (last 5 minutes, within 5), while 97' and 98' MJ shot 47% on 3.6 attempts (20% more attempts in the clutch).. So MJ was always more clutch.. He was simply better, and would be a lock to win with these Lakers.

[deathawaitu]

Lets be real here... Lakers will goes as far in the playoff as AD takes them. AD has completely elevated this lakers team (didn't expect them to do this well to be honest)

Lebron is 35 years old with huge mileage. He is 2nd fiddle in most the games against top contenders. (no shame to that) Lebron will act as first opinion against teams that are not in the playoffs.

That's how he balance his overall average stats this year

[Mr.GOAT2408]

Jordan's 98 lowkey might be the most impressive season anyone has had... even for MJ who has had some of the absolute best seasons anyone has had but he was younger and had a better team around him before 98. That was a straight carry job from the RS to the finals, which is insane to say for someone that did not monopolize the ball particularly that season

He started the season off really slow and I remember many doubting him early on with his FG% hovering under 45% for a good portion of the season, of course it was harder to score efficiently in those days but still. I had my doubts as well but he showed us why he's the GOAT when he carried them to the championship

LeBron isn't having the same RS but he is having an all-time age 35 season, we'll see how he does in the PS

[AussieSteve]

Lets be real here... Lakers will goes as far in the playoff as AD takes them. AD has completely elevated this lakers team (didn't expect them to do this well to be honest)

Lebron is 35 years old with huge mileage. He is 2nd fiddle in most the games against top contenders. (no shame to that) Lebron will act as first opinion against teams that are not in the playoffs.

That's how he balance his overall average stats this year

This is manifestly not true.

Some of Lebron's averages vs top teams this season...

Vs Boston - 22/8/11
Vs Dallas - 28/11/11
Vs Denver - 29/9/12
Vs Houston - 25/7/14
Vs Clippers - 21/10/9
Vs Milwaukee - 21/12/11
Vs Philly - 29/7/8
Vs Toronto - 13/13/15
Vs Utah - 26/6/11

He's been consistent vs almost every team

[SouBeachTalents]

This is manifestly not true.

Some of Lebron's averages vs top teams this season...

Vs Boston - 22/8/11
Vs Dallas - 28/11/11
Vs Denver - 29/9/12
Vs Houston - 25/7/14
Vs Clippers - 21/10/9
Vs Milwaukee - 21/12/11
Vs Philly - 29/7/8
Vs Toronto - 13/13/15
Vs Utah - 26/6/11

He's been consistent vs almost every team
Bro, why are you giving serious replies to an account that has 4 posts in 9 years :lol

[3ball]

This is manifestly not true.

Some of Lebron's averages vs top teams this season...

Vs Boston - 22/8/11
Vs Dallas - 28/11/11
Vs Denver - 29/9/12
Vs Houston - 25/7/14
Vs Clippers - 21/10/9
Vs Milwaukee - 21/12/11
Vs Philly - 29/7/8
Vs Toronto - 13/13/15
Vs Utah - 26/6/11

He's been consistent vs almost every team
LeBron's net rating against the good teams is shit.. pure shit

I'm not sure he isn't already in playoff mode, and can't elevate in the playoffs as he's done when he was younger

[AirBonner]

6,911

[AussieSteve]

LeBron's net rating against the good teams is shit.. pure shit

I'm not sure he isn't already in playoff mode, and can't elevate in the playoffs as he's done when he was younger

I'm going to hazard a guess that it's better than AD's. haven't looked, but it's a fair assumption.

[RRR3]

3ball’s posts are shit...pure shit.


Worst NBA forum poster hands down

[BigShotBob]

This is manifestly not true.

Some of Lebron's averages vs top teams this season...

Vs Boston - 22/8/11
Vs Dallas - 28/11/11
Vs Denver - 29/9/12
Vs Houston - 25/7/14
Vs Clippers - 21/10/9
Vs Milwaukee - 21/12/11
Vs Philly - 29/7/8
Vs Toronto - 13/13/15
Vs Utah - 26/6/11

He's been consistent vs almost every team

Denver, Dallas, Toronto and Utah are not "top" teams. They're very good but they're not serious contenders. Philly, Milwaukee, Clippers and Boston are the only serious contenders with Houston being a dark horse.

[AirBonner]

Denver, Dallas, Toronto and Utah are not "top" teams. They're very good but they're not serious contenders. Philly, Milwaukee, Clippers and Boston are the only serious contenders with Houston being a dark horse.

Lakers are contenders

[BigShotBob]

Lakers are contenders

Didn't include them because Lebron is on the Lakers.

[SpaceJam2]

https://i.postimg.cc/dtJhn78K/Ypypypyppypypqeqeq.jpg

[3ball]

I'm going to hazard a guess that it's better than AD's. haven't looked, but it's a fair assumption.
no, AD's net ratings are higher against the good teams, aka Miami, Denver, Houston, Clippers, Philly, Bucks, Toronto

see for yourself:

https://stats.nba.com/player/203076/boxscores-advanced/
https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/boxscores-advanced/


indeed, AD is the key to beating good comp, while lebron pads against the lesser comp

so you're wrong on that one, just like you were wrong for giving lebron props for his Iverson imitation in the 15' Finals

[aj1987]

no, AD's net ratings are higher against the good teams, aka Miami, Denver, Houston, Clippers, Philly, Bucks, Toronto

see for yourself:

https://stats.nba.com/player/203076/boxscores-advanced/
https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/boxscores-advanced/


indeed, AD is the key to beating good comp, while lebron pads against the lesser comp

so you're wrong on that one, just like you were wrong for giving lebron props for his Iverson imitation in the 15' Finals

AD has a net rating of ~ -75 against Boston, LA, and Denver in 3 games. Langston has a combined negative net rating of under 60 for the season.

Stop posting, you ****ing retard.

[3ball]

AD has a net rating of ~ -75 against Boston, LA, and Denver in 3 games. Langston has a combined negative net rating of under 60 for the season.

Stop posting, you ****ing retard.
you're lying (because you're low class)

AD's net rating is infact MUCH higher against the good teams

don't make me post all the numbers.. And who is "Langston"... :facepalm:

[aj1987]

you're lying (because you're low class)

AD's net rating is infact MUCH higher against the good teams

don't make me post all the numbers.. And who is "Langston"... :facepalm:

Look at the links you posted, you ****ing idiot.


Again, AD has a net rating of ~ -75 against Boston, LA, and Denver in 3 games. LeBron has a combined negative net rating of under 60 for the season.

Stop posting, you ****ing retard.

[SpaceJam2]

Look at the links you posted, you ****ing idiot.


Again, AD has a net rating of ~ -75 against Boston, LA, and Denver in 3 games. LeBron has a combined negative net rating of under 60 for the season.

Stop posting, you ****ing retard.

Shut it down

[aj1987]

I just took the time to calculate the ratings.

AD vs the good teams you posted: -80.5

LeBron vs the teams you posted: -23.5

Even if you remove that Boston game for AD, he's still at -28.3 for the season.

[3ball]

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Net Rating


2/23 vs BOS... -2.2 AD... -2.7 Lebron

2/12 vs DEN... +4.6 AD... -1.9 Lebron

2/6 vs. HOU... -6.1 AD... -5.0 Lebron

1/25 vs PHI... -10.8 AD... -29.7 Lebron

1/20 vs BOS... -52.2 AD... -35.6 Lebron

12/25 vs LAC... -13.3 AD... +2.5 Lebron

12/19 vs MIL... +8.1 AD... -24.3 Lebron

12/13 vs MIA... +15.1 AD... +11.3 Lebron

12/3 vs DEN... +13.9 AD... +1.2 Lebron

11/10 vs TOR... -7.5 AD... -9.5 Lebron

11/8 vs MIA... +37.0 AD... +20.6 Lebron

10/25 vs LAC... +3.8 AD... -10.5 Lebron


Overall, AD is at -9 and Lebron -86... So AD is they key against good teams..

AD had better net rating in 9 of the 12 games...

[aj1987]

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Net Rating


2/23 vs BOS... -2.2 AD... -2.7 Lebron

2/12 vs DEN... +4.6 AD... -1.9 Lebron

2/6 vs. HOU... -6.1 AD... -5.0 Lebron

1/25 vs PHI... -10.8 AD... -29.7 Lebron

1/20 vs BOS... -52.2 AD... -35.6 Lebron

12/25 vs LAC... -13.3 AD... +2.5 Lebron

12/19 vs MIL... +8.1 AD... -24.3 Lebron

12/13 vs MIA... +15.1 AD... +11.3 Lebron

12/3 vs DEN... +13.9 AD... +1.2 Lebron

11/10 vs TOR... -7.5 AD... -9.5 Lebron

11/8 vs MIA... +37.0 AD... +20.6 Lebron

10/25 vs LAC... +3.8 AD... -10.5 Lebron


AD had better net rating in 9 of the 12 games


I guess it's useless to explain everything to you, so I'll just throw some stats out there.


The Lakers' offense is the second best with LeBron on the court. Falls to 18th with his off the court. However, the offense goes up 3 spots with AD OFF the court.

Same with defense. It falls to 16th with LeBron off the court. #3 with him on the court. The defense gets better with AD off the court.

For the season, the Lakers are +11.6 with LeBron ON the court.

For the season, the Lakers are -4.5 with AD ON the court.

That means, in the 30 something minutes that AD is playing, the Lakers are worse by 4.5 points per game.



That's what happens when you throw around stats like a retard with ZERO context or understanding. Also, LeBron is by FAR the best player on this team and it's not particularly close. AD is a monster as well though.

[3ball]

I guess it's useless to explain everything to you, so I'll just throw some stats out there.


The Lakers' offense is the second best with LeBron on the court. Falls to 18th with his off the court. However, the offense goes up 3 spots with AD OFF the court.

Same with defense. It falls to 16th with LeBron off the court. #3 with him on the court. The defense gets better with AD off the court.

For the season, the Lakers are +11.6 with LeBron ON the court.

For the season, the Lakers are -4.5 with AD ON the court.

That means, in the 30 something minutes that AD is playing, the Lakers are worse by 4.5 points per game.



That's what happens when you throw around stats like a retard with ZERO context or understanding. Also, LeBron is by FAR the best player on this team and it's not particularly close. AD is a monster as well though.
your stats are overall stats - mine are only against the good teams, aka clippers, bucks, celtics, denver, philly, heat, toronto, houston

AD's net rating is -9 and Lebron's is -86 against those teams... So AD is they key against good teams, as I said originally..

I could care less who is the "better player" - AD is the most valuable and the key to beating the good teams, as his superior net rating against the good teams demonstrates

[SpaceJam2]

I guess it's useless to explain everything to you, so I'll just throw some stats out there.


The Lakers' offense is the second best with LeBron on the court. Falls to 18th with his off the court. However, the offense goes up 3 spots with AD OFF the court.

Same with defense. It falls to 16th with LeBron off the court. #3 with him on the court. The defense gets better with AD off the court.

For the season, the Lakers are +11.6 with LeBron ON the court.

For the season, the Lakers are -4.5 with AD ON the court.

That means, in the 30 something minutes that AD is playing, the Lakers are worse by 4.5 points per game.



That's what happens when you throw around stats like a retard with ZERO context or understanding. Also, LeBron is by FAR the best player on this team and it's not particularly close. AD is a monster as well though.

Ethered 3ball into retirement

[3ball]

Ethered 3ball into retirement
no, he posted the overall stats against all the teams - that wasn't the argument - we're only interested in the numbers against the good teams, so we can see who is more key to beating the good teams (aka clippers, bucks, celtics, denver, philly, heat, toronto, houston)

AD's net rating is -9 against the good teams and Lebron's is -86... So AD is they key against good teams, as I said originally..

I could care less who is the "better player" - AD is the most valuable and the key to beating the good teams, as his superior net rating against them demonstrates

[Sportal]

no, he posted the overall stats against all the teams - that wasn't the argument - we're only interested in the numbers against the good teams, so we can see who is more key to beating the good teams (aka clippers, bucks, celtics, denver, philly, heat, toronto, houston)

AD's net rating is -9 against the good teams and Lebron's is -86... So AD is they key against good teams, as I said originally..

I could care less who is the "better player" - AD is the most valuable and the key to beating the good teams, as his superior net rating against them demonstrates

3ball... How old are you... Like, legit? Are you a 14 year old posing as a 40-something year old? Or are you a 40-something year old with the brain of a 14 year old...?

[aj1987]

your stats are overall stats - mine are only against the good teams, aka clippers, bucks, celtics, denver, philly, heat, toronto, houston

AD's net rating is -9 and Lebron's is -86 against those teams... So AD is they key against good teams, as I said originally..

I could care less who is the "better player" - AD is the most valuable and the key to beating the good teams, as his superior net rating against the good teams demonstrates


I guess it's useless to explain everything to you as you do not understand how those stats work, so I'll just throw some stats out there.

While you're at it, can you also give me the record of the Lakers vs those teams in which AD has been beasting?


The Lakers' offense is the second best with LeBron on the court. Falls to 18th with his off the court. However, the offense goes up 3 spots with AD OFF the court.

Same with defense. It falls to 16th with LeBron off the court. #3 with him on the court. The defense gets better with AD off the court.

For the season, the Lakers are +11.6 with LeBron ON the court.

For the season, the Lakers are -4.5 with AD ON the court.

That means, in the 30 something minutes that AD is playing, the Lakers are worse by 4.5 points per game.



That's what happens when you throw around stats like a retard with ZERO context or understanding. Also, LeBron is by FAR the best player on this team and it's not particularly close. AD is a monster as well though.


Also, you have never watched a single game of basketball in yourself. You literally have no idea how basketball works. No point in discussing basketball with an autistic basement dwelling retard.


EDIT: Also, remind me who hit the game winner vs the Celtics..

[LAL]

I guess it's useless to explain everything to you, so I'll just throw some stats out there.


The Lakers' offense is the second best with LeBron on the court. Falls to 18th with his off the court. However, the offense goes up 3 spots with AD OFF the court.

Same with defense. It falls to 16th with LeBron off the court. #3 with him on the court. The defense gets better with AD off the court.

For the season, the Lakers are +11.6 with LeBron ON the court.

For the season, the Lakers are -4.5 with AD ON the court.

That means, in the 30 something minutes that AD is playing, the Lakers are worse by 4.5 points per game.



That's what happens when you throw around stats like a retard with ZERO context or understanding. Also, LeBron is by FAR the best player on this team and it's not particularly close. AD is a monster as well though.
Wow defensively better without AD? 35 year old bran is a beast yo. Better defensively than AD PLUS had a season high 40 points yesterday. It's not even close.

[3ball]

I guess it's useless to explain everything to you as you do not understand how those stats work, so I'll just throw some stats out there.

While you're at it, can you also give me the record of the Lakers vs those teams in which AD has been beasting?



look up the definition of net rating - it's exactly the stats you keep posting - AD's is FAR superior against the good teams

so again, your stats don't apply to the good teams - AD is the key vs good teams as his superior net rating shows

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EDIT: Also, remind me who hit the game winner vs the Celtics..



TLDR: down the stretch of tight games (last 5 minutes within 5 points), Lebron shot 41% on 3.0 attempts per game for his career (04-19'), compared 47% on 3.6 attempts for old MJ in 97' and 98' (20% more clutch attempts on much better efficiency).


CLUTCH - Playoff shots in last 5 minutes, within 5 points, since 2001



134-323 for Lebron.. 41.4%
108 games.. 3.0 attempts per game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&player_id=jamesle01&order_by=date_game



Jordan 1997 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals): 20-39.. 51.3% (11 games)
Jordan 1998 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals): 22-50.. 44.0% (14 games)

42-89 for MJ.. 47.2%
25 games.. 3.6 attempts per game



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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbrziTVWAAIP7aY.jpg



And 0-8 in the championship for Lebron, compared to 4-8 for Jordan

[aj1987]

look up the definition of net rating - it's exactly the stats you keep posting - AD's is FAR superior against the good teams

so again, your stats don't apply to the good teams - AD is the key vs good teams as his superior net rating shows

I guess it's useless to explain everything to you as you do not understand how those stats work, so I'll just throw some stats out there.

While you're at it, can you also give me the record of the Lakers vs those teams in which AD has been beasting?


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TLDR: down the stretch of tight games (last 5 minutes within 5 points), Lebron shot 41% on 3.0 attempts per game for his career (04-19'), compared 47% on 3.6 attempts for old MJ in 97' and 98' (20% more clutch attempts on much better efficiency).


CLUTCH - Playoff shots in last 5 minutes, within 5 points, since 2001



134-323 for Lebron.. 41.4%
108 games.. 3.0 attempts per game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&player_id=jamesle01&order_by=date_game



Jordan 1997 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals): 20-39.. 51.3% (11 games)
Jordan 1998 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals): 22-50.. 44.0% (14 games)

42-89 for MJ.. 47.2%
25 games.. 3.6 attempts per game



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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbrziTVWAAIP7aY.jpg



And 0-8 in the championship for Lebron, compared to 4-8 for Jordan

WTF are you babbling about, you 1-9 idiot?

[3ball]

WTF are you babbling about, you 1-9 idiot?


MJ was way more clutch, ignorant bitch

Specifically, down the stretch of tight games (last 5 minutes within 5 points), Lebron shot 41% on 3.0 attempts per game for his career (04-19'), compared 47% on 3.6 attempts for old MJ in 97' and 98' (20% more clutch attempts on much better efficiency).

And again, AD is the key against good teams, as his superior net ratings against those teams shows

[Hey Yo]

You can't compare both players at 35. Unless you have a time machine and LeBron can go back to rest up for 2yrs during his prime.

11th season, 35yr old MJ legs and body probably felt more like his 8th season at age 29. The 8 straight years James made the Finals, if you also include international play, James averaged 95gms a season over those 8 seasons. MJ couldn't even play more than 7 consecutive full seasons w/o having to quit to rest.




If you're going to compare the 2, compare them before MJ quit the first time.

[juju151111]

I guess it's useless to explain everything to you as you do not understand how those stats work, so I'll just throw some stats out there.

While you're at it, can you also give me the record of the Lakers vs those teams in which AD has been beasting?


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WTF are you babbling about, you 1-9 idiot?

Why did you not address that stats he posted

[deathawaitu]

Bro, why are you giving serious replies to an account that has 4 posts in 9 years :lol

Cause some people don't spam posts like yourself

[deathawaitu]

This is manifestly not true.

Some of Lebron's averages vs top teams this season...

Vs Boston - 22/8/11
Vs Dallas - 28/11/11
Vs Denver - 29/9/12
Vs Houston - 25/7/14
Vs Clippers - 21/10/9
Vs Milwaukee - 21/12/11
Vs Philly - 29/7/8
Vs Toronto - 13/13/15
Vs Utah - 26/6/11

He's been consistent vs almost every team

A few teams on that list are not contenders.

Lebron will still gets his stats, but I'm pretty sure AD has betters stats than Lebron against the top teams this year.

Never said Lebron is garbage, it's just he will take the back seat against teams such as Clippers and Bucks, and hope AD does enough to win the game for the lakers

To be fair, we already seen what Lebron as a first opinion on the Lakers looked like last year. A 30ish win team

[zeerghit]

lakers are 18-0 than lebron scores 30+ points... SO HOW EMPTY HIS STATS ARE?

[DoctorP]

he's so old now and he is beginning to use his crafty old man moves. Yes, he could elevate due to his passing skills.

but he has to close it. close the deal. finish the deal.

[ImKobe]

A few teams on that list are not contenders.

Lebron will still gets his stats, but I'm pretty sure AD has betters stats than Lebron against the top teams this year.

Never said Lebron is garbage, it's just he will take the back seat against teams such as Clippers and Bucks, and hope AD does enough to win the game for the lakers

To be fair, we already seen what Lebron as a first opinion on the Lakers looked like last year. A 30ish win team

It's all about the match-ups. Lakers' key to success isn't for Bron to score 30 every night, it's for them to dominate the paint & the boards on both ends, him scoring 30 is a plus but that's really only happened against mediocre defensive teams (excluding the Utah one early in the season & they're only 12th in DRTG this season as well).

AD has to dominate in the Playoffs for Lakers to even have a chance, especially against the Clippers & Rockets.

[3ball]

Lakers are 18-0 than lebron scores 30+ points


So why doesn't he average 30 then lol

he's foolishly focusing on rebs and assists when SCORING is the deciding factor that controls games the most... 18-0... like you said... :confusedshrug:

but only 1 guy averaged 30 for their career

[LostCause]

11th season, 35yr old MJ legs and body probably felt more like his 8th season at age 29
How the hell does Hey Yo continue to avoid being banned with these moronic takes?

[NBAGOAT]

it's been proven 3ball, playmaking matters a lot when it comes to offensive impact. feels a bit nitpicky to say call houston a contender and tor not one. I think it's either only the lakers, bucks, clips are contenders or there are like potentially 8(yes i might include philly like an idiot)

[FromDowntown]

https://i.postimg.cc/dtJhn78K/Ypypypyppypypqeqeq.jpg

My goodness

[FromDowntown]

So why doesn't he average 30 then lol

he's foolishly focusing on rebs and assists when SCORING is the deciding factor that controls games the most... 18-0... like you said... :confusedshrug:

but only 1 guy averaged 30 for their career

I don't think you're bright enough to get the point but what's new

[CTbasketball92]

I think this might be the first year LeBron doesn't elevate. He just looks slower and compounding that is his very mediocre jumpshot.

His midrange game also hasn't been working as well.

If LeBron is 2018 LeBron in the playoffs, the Lakers will handily win the chip. If not, they stand no chance.

That simple.

[1987_Lakers]

2020 Bron: 30.2 PER
1998 MJ: 28.1 PER

Looks like he elevated OP.

[trada7029]

2020 Bron: 30.2 PER
1998 MJ: 28.1 PER

Looks like he elevated OP.


PLAYOFF PER

2011 Lebron... 23.7
2013 Lebron... 28.1
2015 Lebron... 25.3

1998 Jordan... 28.1


old lebron benefitted from a league-wide increase in PER due to rule changes and the easy-scoring, spacy format

Nonetheless, old Jordan was MVP, scoring champ and top 5 DPOY, which destroys lebron's no-mvp, no defense and weak scoring (compared to mj)

[1987_Lakers]

PLAYOFF PER

2011 Lebron... 23.7
2013 Lebron... 28.1
2015 Lebron... 25.3

1998 Jordan... 28.1


old lebron benefitted from a league-wide increase in PER due to rule changes and the easy-scoring, spacy format

Nonetheless, old Jordan was MVP, scoring champ and top 5 DPOY, which destroys lebron's no-mvp, no defense and weak scoring (compared to mj)

Your question was will LeBron elevate in the postseason like MJ did, he elevated. End of discussion.

[trada7029]

Your question was will LeBron elevate in the postseason like MJ did, he elevated. End of discussion.

He didn't elevate

Not like mj

Lebron was a sidekick, while Jordan was the leader with all teammates far beneath him.. so it's no comparison

End of discussion

[1987_Lakers]

He didn't elevate

Not like mj

Lebron was a sidekick, while Jordan was the leader with all teammates far beneath him.. so it's no comparison

End of discussion

LeBron was the alpha, as proven by the Finals MVP.

End of Discussion.

[trada7029]

LeBron was the alpha, as proven by the Finals MVP.

End of Discussion.

AD was MVP of the real Finals (vs Denver)

and AD led the Lakers in most stats all year, and led the entire league in playoff scoring

[Manny98]

PLAYOFF PER

2011 Lebron... 23.7
2013 Lebron... 28.1
2015 Lebron... 25.3

1998 Jordan... 28.1


old lebron benefitted from a league-wide increase in PER due to rule changes and the easy-scoring, spacy format

Nonetheless, old Jordan was MVP, scoring champ and top 5 DPOY, which destroys lebron's no-mvp, no defense and weak scoring (compared to mj)
30+ PER championship runs

LeBron 3 (2012,2016,2020)
Jordan 2 (91,93)
Everyone else 1 or less

So Lebron had the most GOAT level championship runs 30+ PER

[TheGoatest]

Holy shit! Nice bump. Wonder how 3ball is going to try to spin this failure of a thread. :roll:

Get to work, 3ball:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI

[8Ball]

98 Jordan so dogshit compared to 2020 LeBron.

LeBron elevated even more in PER than Jordan did.

Also Bron did more for his team than have a putrid 4 rebound, 2 assist finals stats ala Jordan whom is only tasked to score. Basically a glorified Kyrie.

[8Ball]

Holy shit! Nice bump. Wonder how 3ball is going to try to spin this failure of a thread. :roll:

Get to work, 3ball:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI

Trada is 3ball.

Every thread of his backfires because LeBron is a better player from head to toe.

[StrongLurk]

35 year old Lebron is better then 35 year old MJ. Hell Bron was two months from 36 when he won the ring. It's close, but Bron has the edge.

Now let's compared 36 year old Lebron to 36 year old MJ...oh wait.

[Gus Hemmingway]

35 year old LeBron just had a playoffs better than ANY of Jordan’s :roll:

Ultimate backfire

[TheGoatest]

Not to mention the fact that 2020 playoffs-finals LeBron was nearly 6 months older than 1998 playoffs-finals Jordan.
With an insanely higher amount of career mileage.

[dankok8]

Stats can be wrong. '98 Jordan was clearly the better scorer and defender. It should be noted that in 97-98 the average pace was 90.3 and the average TS% was 52.4. In 19-20 the average pace was 100.3 and the average TS% was 56.5. Give Jordan 8 more possessions and bump his efficiency 4% and he's ~35/5/5 in the playoffs... again with elite defense.

[LAmbruh]

backfire :lol:lol

[RRR3]

Stats can be wrong. '98 Jordan was clearly the better scorer and defender. It should be noted that in 97-98 the average pace was 90.3 and the average TS% was 52.4. In 19-20 the average pace was 100.3 and the average TS% was 56.5. Give Jordan 8 more possessions and bump his efficiency 4% and he's ~35/5/5 in the playoffs... again with elite defense.
Steaming.

[SouBeachTalents]

Another phat L for OP :oldlol:

No wonder he’s so obsessed with LeBron, he’s made him look like an idiot for YEARS

[Manny98]

Stats can be wrong. '98 Jordan was clearly the better scorer and defender. It should be noted that in 97-98 the average pace was 90.3 and the average TS% was 52.4. In 19-20 the average pace was 100.3 and the average TS% was 56.5. Give Jordan 8 more possessions and bump his efficiency 4% and he's ~35/5/5 in the playoffs... again with elite defense.

Sorry it doesn't work like that you can't just bump up a player's stats out of convenience for your narrative

[2ball]

LeElevate!

[sdot_thadon]

Stats can be wrong.


Stats can be wrong.


Stats can be wrong.

Nah, stats cannot be "wrong" they are numerical data, unless you've ever proven 2 to be more than 3? Our interpretation of them can be dumb as shit but the numbers are what they are. I don't think Mj at 35 was any type of superior to Lebron at the same age with a massive chasm in mileage. Mj was still incredible and gutted out a year only a Goat would, but let's cut the bs.

[SouBeachTalents]

Nah, stats cannot be "wrong" they are numerical data, unless you've ever proven 2 to be more than 3? Our interpretation of them can be dumb as shit but the numbers are what they are. I don't think Mj at 35 was any type of superior to Lebron at the same age with a massive chasm in mileage. Mj was still incredible and gutted out a year only a Goat would, but let's cut the bs.
Stats can be wrong...when they don't reflect my POV

[red1]

2020 Bron: 30.2 PER
1998 MJ: 28.1 PER

Looks like he elevated OP.

:roll:

[dankok8]

Nah, stats cannot be "wrong" they are numerical data, unless you've ever proven 2 to be more than 3? Our interpretation of them can be dumb as shit but the numbers are what they are. I don't think Mj at 35 was any type of superior to Lebron at the same age with a massive chasm in mileage. Mj was still incredible and gutted out a year only a Goat would, but let's cut the bs.

When I said they are wrong I mean they can lead to misleading conclusions. Not that those stats are wrong. They are correct but without context.


Sorry it doesn't work like that you can't just bump up a player's stats out of convenience for your narrative


Comparing stats in '98 and '20 at face value is stupid. Why not compare '62 stats to '20 while we're at it? Wilt averaged 50/26 for an entire season... Lebron freaking sucks!

My previous ballpark prediction was actually a bit wrong. Jordan in '98 playoffs shot +2.1 rTS. In 2020 the same efficiency relative to league puts him at 58.6 %TS. At that efficiency with the same number of shots he puts up 34.8 ppg. But given the difference in pace (100.3 - 90.3 = 10 possessions) and the fact that he plays 41.5 mpg it's highly likely he will take at least one more shot in ~8 extra possessions he has available. He probably averages ~36 ppg. His other volume stats probably don't go up much but let's say they round up.

So '98 Jordan in '20 postseason puts up 36/6/4 on 58.6 %TS with fewer turnovers and better defense than Lebron. Is that better? That's up to you to decide but it's clear that eras pay a big role in the numbers. That would also put Jordan around 30 PER surely. There have been way more 30+ PER performances in the 2010's than 1990's. It's either it's easier to put up stats now which is the logical explanation or Giannis is better than Shaq, Westbrook is better than Thomas and Harden is better than Jordan. If you believe the latter why even discuss basketball...?

[FireDavidKahn]

He didn't elevate

Not like mj

Lebron was a sidekick, while Jordan was the leader with all teammates far beneath him.. so it's no comparison

End of discussion

LeBron was BY FAR the best player in the FINALS

[2ball]

So LeBron won with an almost equal teammate (elevated) I thought LeBron reduced stars to role players and spot up shooters?

[light]

Age 35 LeBron is better than prime age 28 Michael Jordan.

What LeBron did in 2020 blows away everything Jordan did after 1991.

[LAmbruh]

2020 Bron: 30.2 PER
1998 MJ: 28.1 PER

Looks like he elevated OP.

:roll:

[StrongLurk]

There is some irony in OP always stating the Lebron reduces star teammates...yet he also complains that Lebron has the most star "help" and his teams are stacked.

You can't have both OP. Either Lebron doesn't reduce star teammates and has real help (Dwade, Kyrie, AD), or he DOES reduce star teammates and therefore his teams aren't that stacked because of it.

[dankok8]

Age 35 LeBron is better than prime age 28 Michael Jordan.

What LeBron did in 2020 blows away everything Jordan did after 1991.

1992 Jordan put up 34.5/6.2/5.8 on +4.0 rTS. That statline with fewer turnovers and much better defense is already much better than Lebron this year.

If we just correct for league average TS% increase, Jordan puts up 36.5 ppg (in today's league +4.0 rTS is 60.5%). That's a whopping 8.9 ppg more compared to Lebron. Lebron's extra defensive rebounds and assists (with higher turnovers) don't come close to bridging this gap and Jordan's better defense as well. Not even close.

[StrongLurk]

I think it's really interesting how Lebron has stayed so good at old age...when the predictions were he would fall off hard. Many people thought Lebron was second or third best of all time when comparing primes/peaks with MJ, so they thought old Lebron would also be a step behind old MJ...but interestingly enough Lebron actually looks BETTER than older MJ.

So you could say MJ age 22-30 is > Lebron 22-30...but Lebron 31-36 is >MJ 31-36.