Lebron hasn’t won MVP in years

[Walk on Water]

People keep talking about how he’s been dominating this generation but he’s not the same player who was winning MVPS.

Some will bring up playoff stats. First of all, regular season still counts too and secondly you’re basically saying Lebron has no endurance and passion to play hard year round, therefore he’s conserving energy to inflate his playoff stats. That’s why there’s no defense either.

It may be year 17, but Jordan won MVP at 35. Jordan was also the leagues leading scorer and first team all NBA defensive team. And he still had energy to win the championship.

So stop calling Lebron goat!

[bullettooth]

He hasn't been winning MVPs because he hasn't been the best player in the league. Pretty simple, really.

Now let's watch all the accounts from Wheels start crying about this.

[zeerghit]

Lebron is GOAT

[Phoenix]

Now let's watch all the accounts from Wheels start crying about this.

:lol

[superduper]

But stats....

[sdot_thadon]

People keep talking about how he’s been dominating this generation but he’s not the same player who was winning MVPS.

Some will bring up playoff stats. First of all, regular season still counts too and secondly you’re basically saying Lebron has no endurance and passion to play hard year round, therefore he’s conserving energy to inflate his playoff stats. That’s why there’s no defense either.

It may be year 17, but Jordan won MVP at 35. Jordan was also the leagues leading scorer and first team all NBA defensive team. And he still had energy to win the championship.

So stop calling Lebron goat!

With all that said, Im pretty sure there is all of 3 guys to ever touch a basketball with more Mvps than Lebron in the entire history of the sport......I fail to see the issue here.

[SouBeachTalents]

His palms too hairy to hide

[Walk on Water]

With all that said, Im pretty sure there is all of 3 guys to ever touch a basketball with more Mvps than Lebron in the entire history of the sport......I fail to see the issue here.



Because every year people say Lebron is the best player. And he hasn’t won an MVP in ages. Last year it was Giannis. Year before Harden, Westbrook, Curry twice and Durant.

[3ball]

7 years in his prime without MVP

Sounds like a fake goat

And he isn't #1 in PPG, efficiency rating, BPM or WS/48.. but the REAL goat is #1 in all these areas and won every MVP available at 35

carry on

[AussieSteve]

7 years in his prime without MVP

Sounds like a fake goat

And he isn't #1 in PPG, efficiency rating, BPM or WS/48.. but the REAL goat is #1 in all these areas and won every MVP available at 35

carry on

Who were the top MVP candidates when MJ was 35? How do they compare to the top candidates today?

[Meticode]

Look at everyone with their petty arguments and debates. Just sit back and enjoy watching some great basketball from talented players where the game today is geared towards protecting the offensive player.

Everyone here is funny with their pissing contests about GOATs and such.

[meat]

Who were the top MVP candidates when MJ was 35? How do they compare to the top candidates today?

Probably guys who won more than 47 games like Westbrook's bullcrap MVP award.

[Manny98]

LeBron only has 4 MVPs and 3 FMVPS, what a bum

[AussieSteve]

Probably guys who won more than 47 games like Westbrook's bullcrap MVP award.


35 yo MJ beat

#2. 35 yo Malone
#3. Gary Payton
#4. Shaq, who missed 22 games
#5. Tim Duncan, in his rookie season

Literally the only guy who was both in his prime and played a full season on this list is Gary Payton, with his 19ppg.

97-99 are the all time worst years for star talent. 98 was probably the worst.

[Ainosterhaspie]

LeBron stopped trying for MVP in 2014. He was coming off three straight finals runs and planned to keep competing for titles every year instead of resting up in a pretend retirement. Hisbsoon to be finals opponent were regularly resting their stars in preparation for the post season, and he sensibly throttled back a bit.

One of the greatest scorers in the history of the game was peaking that year and deservedly won the MVP even though LeBron remained a superior player.

The next year LeBron battled injuries all year and had the worst year of his prime. Still he outplayed the MVP in the finals and earned more FMVP votes despite being on the losing side due largely to missing his two best teammates.

The following year Curry had an historic season which would have earned him MVP honors over just about any version of MJ, but LeBron again proved himself to be the better player in the post season and finals.

The next year the MVP did something that hadn't been done for 40 years. It didn't matter if other players were better, the stat was historic so an easy first round exit won MVP.

The next year, the guy who "got robbed" was given a makeup MVP which he was desperately hunting.

The following year LeBron finally ceded his crown as the actual best player.

MVP isn't about who the best player is. It is often awarded to a player who manifestly is not the best player (Westbrook and Rose being the two most glaring recent examples). It is a narrative award. It is something guys who aren't real contenders can strive for to give validation to an otherwise futile season, while better players focus on bigger goals.

[AirBonner]

35 yo MJ beat

#2. 35 yo Malone
#3. Gary Payton
#4. Shaq, who missed 22 games
#5. Tim Duncan, in his rookie season

Literally the only guy who was both in his prime and played a full season on this list is Gary Payton, with his 19ppg.

97-99 are the all time worst years for star talent. 98 was probably the worst.

Stop. Drop. Shut it down

[FireDavidKahn]

Voter fatigue. Plus the year after he won his last MVP...

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"He isn't dominating like he used too"

[3ball]

It's Lebron's fault that he can't take better advantage of today's mickey mouse format and average 30-35 ppg like Giannis/Harden and be the runaway MVP... :confusedshrug:

Jordan would.. Jordan would average FORTY

heck, Giannis is unskilled and Harden is apparently more productive ball-dominator than Lebron - it's on Lebron for clearly not outshining them like MJ did guys like Shaq, Malone, Hakeem, and young all-stars like Duncan, Garnett, and Kobe.

btw, 90's Shaq dominated regular seasons like Giannis.. and the playoffs.. Malone also compared - see the stats for yourself

[SouBeachTalents]

It's Lebron's fault that he can't take better advantage of today's mickey mouse format and average 30-35 ppg like Giannis/Harden and be the runaway MVP... :confusedshrug:

Jordan would.. Jordan would average FORTY

heck, Giannis is unskilled and Harden is apparently more productive ball-dominator than Lebron - it's on Lebron for clearly not outshining them like MJ did guys like Shaq, Malone, Hakeem, and young all-stars like Duncan, Garnett, and Kobe.

btw, 90's Shaq dominated regular seasons like Giannis.. and the playoffs.. Malone also compared - see the stats for yourself
Shaq missed EIGHTY games from 96-98, Duncan was a rookie in '98, and KG & Kobe weren't even close to the players they'd become at that stage of their careers

[FireDavidKahn]

It's Lebron's fault that he can't take better advantage of today's mickey mouse format and average 30-35 ppg like Giannis/Harden and be the runaway MVP... :confusedshrug:

Jordan would.. Jordan would average FORTY

heck, Giannis is unskilled and Harden is apparently more productive ball-dominator than Lebron - it's on Lebron for clearly not outshining them like MJ did guys like Shaq, Malone, Hakeem, and young all-stars like Duncan, Garnett, and Kobe.

btw, 90's Shaq dominated regular seasons like Giannis.. and the playoffs.. Malone also compared - see the stats for yourself

People actually believe that:oldlol:

Tell us how a helicopter is involved.

[SamuraiSWISH]

LeBron stopped trying for MVP in 2014. He was coming off three straight finals runs and planned to keep competing for titles every year instead of resting up in a pretend retirement. Hisbsoon to be finals opponent were regularly resting their stars in preparation for the post season, and he sensibly throttled back a bit.

One of the greatest scorers in the history of the game was peaking that year and deservedly won the MVP even though LeBron remained a superior player.

The next year LeBron battled injuries all year and had the worst year of his prime. Still he outplayed the MVP in the finals and earned more FMVP votes despite being on the losing side due largely to missing his two best teammates.

The following year Curry had an historic season which would have earned him MVP honors over just about any version of MJ, but LeBron again proved himself to be the better player in the post season and finals.

The next year the MVP did something that hadn't been done for 40 years. It didn't matter if other players were better, the stat was historic so an easy first round exit won MVP.

The next year, the guy who "got robbed" was given a makeup MVP which he was desperately hunting.

The following year LeBron finally ceded his crown as the actual best player.

MVP isn't about who the best player is. It is often awarded to a player who manifestly is not the best player (Westbrook and Rose being the two most glaring recent examples). It is a narrative award. It is something guys who aren't real contenders can strive for to give validation to an otherwise futile season, while better players focus on bigger goals.
No shit ... if it was actually purely who the consensus best player in the league is among players, coaches, media and fans.

If that was the case Mike would’ve been a 10x MVP in 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98

Kobe would’ve been a 4x MVP in 06, 07, 08, 09

Shaq would’ve been a 5x MVP in 99, 00, 01, 02, 05

[Smoke117]

No shit ... if it was actually purely who the consensus best player in the league is among players, coaches, media and fans.

If that was the case Mike would’ve been a 10x MVP in 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98

Kobe would’ve been a 4x MVP in 06, 07, 08, 09

Shaq would’ve been a 5x MVP in 99, 00, 01, 02, 05

LOL Kobe wasn't ever the consensus best player in the league and saying Shaq was in 2005 is also laughable. Saying Kobe was the consensus best player in the league in 09 is especially laughable considering I don't even think he was top 3. LeBron, Wade, and Paul were all better. The numbers don't back up Jordan in 97 either. Malone had better advanced stats like per, rpm, and bpm across the board. People acting like Jordan was robbed in 97 was laughable considering about dominant Malone was that season.