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Gotterdammerung
03-10-2020, 04:10 AM
Most players' careers follow a simple trajectory, a curve that begins with the rookie year, and ends with retirement in a bell curve. In the middle of that balooning curve is an athletic prime, and at the apex of that curve is the peak.

However, some great players were fortunate health-wise to have a long career with sustained prime that contains more than a couple of peak years.

The classic example of this multiple peak within prime years is Wilt Chamberlain, who had three:
1962 athletic prime: the greatest scorer of all time who averaged 50 points
1967: peak play: the all-around dreadnought who finally broke through the Celtics juggernaut with balanced scoring, rebounding, passing and defense.
1972: wizened veteran: the dominant defender and rebounder in the Bill Russell fashion who led the Lakers to 33 straight wins and their first title.

Another example is Michael Jordan:
Air Jordan: athletic prime (1986-1990)
GOAT: GOAT of goats (1991-93)
Floor Jordan cerebral killer (1996-98)

Now, we are witnessing the tail end of another GOAT in LeBron James:
The Chosen One: athletic prime (2006-2009)
King James: peak play (2011-14)
GSW Supervillain: (2015-18)

Now, it looks like the #WashedKing is taking off in the second half of this season.

:cheers:

DoctorP
03-10-2020, 04:15 AM
I would take WIzards floor Jordan over Washed King tho.

Eye test.

:lol

Axe
03-10-2020, 05:39 AM
If it wasn't for Wilt Chamberlain playing for them and his scoring potential, maybe the lakers would have suffered a longer drought of 20 years or more attaining a championship for a team that kept coming back in the finals. Just imagine how many times they've been to the finals during the 60s and yet, never won at least one of them.

ArbitraryWater
03-10-2020, 11:56 AM
You're getting suckered into sheepish views which don't trouble your world view too much.

LeBron's peak were easily his 2017-18 seasons.

There is no way 2011 or 2013 LeBron gets the 2018 Cavaliers to the finals.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
03-10-2020, 12:14 PM
Not a bad topic but I disagree with some of this.

Jordan's actual peak lasted from 87-93 imo. You can break that down to a macro-level though. For example, 87-89 was 'Air Jordan' and 90-93 was, while still having an aerial assault, a bit more technical and nuanced.

1996 / 1997 Jordan was still his prime, but I wouldn't consider them peak years.

Lebron is a bit tougher. And probably more in-line with your thread title. You could argue his prime started in 2006...and is still going. Lebron's peak years are scattered though. 2009 was his athletic peak, 2012-2016 are his greatest ALL AROUND years and 2018 could've been his offensive peak.

ImKobe
03-10-2020, 02:29 PM
You're getting suckered into sheepish views which don't trouble your world view too much.

LeBron's peak were easily his 2017-18 seasons.

There is no way 2011 or 2013 LeBron gets the 2018 Cavaliers to the finals.

Do you actually watch games? Serious question. You think 2017-18 Lebron was better than the 2012-13 version? Really?

2013 Lebron had everything but he could also play defense at a high level and was quicker than the 2018 version. Does it change the outcome? No. They still make the Finals and maybe win 1 game instead of him looking tired in that OT and folding the rest of the series. You think peak Lebron loses to Oladipo-led Pacers, Derozan-led Raptors or rookie Tatum-led Celtics? lol.

AirBonner
03-10-2020, 03:32 PM
LeBron is the inception of primes (a prime within a prime)