China let Coronavirus spread for weeks and detained people for talking about it

[iamgine]

Early December 2019: 1st case of Wuhan Coronavirus
Mid/Late December 2019 - Mid January 2020: Covering up the virus so most Chinese people don't know about it
January 20th 2020: 1st public announcement about the virus from President Xi

:facepalm

Some countries who took action early like Taiwan only has less than 50 cases. So many Chinese people go to Taiwan and vice versa that it should have thousands of cases by now but because it took action in early January, Taiwan has managed to contain the virus.

[Stanley Kobrick]

whatever highway says is how we should prepare ourselves. he knew this would happen he warned us

[bladefd]

The world needs to force the Chinese commie ba$tards to PERMANENTLY shutdown their exotic food markets.. Time and time again, viruses have started there. Shut that damn market down because we will eventually get a virus from there that nothing will stop without wiping out half of the human species.

[MrFonzworth]

The world needs to force the Chinese commie ba$tards to PERMANENTLY shutdown their exotic food markets.. Time and time again, viruses have started there. Shut that damn market down because we will eventually get a virus from there that nothing will stop without wiping out half of the human species.

Oh shut the **** up softy. It's a ****ing flu.

[rufuspaul]

The world needs to force the Chinese commie ba$tards to PERMANENTLY shutdown their exotic food markets.. Time and time again, viruses have started there. Shut that damn market down because we will eventually get a virus from there that nothing will stop without wiping out half of the human species.


I'm not one for conspiracy theories but the way this thing is spreading makes me inclined to believe this is a weaponized germ that got out by accident.

[BarberSchool]

I'm not one for conspiracy theories but the way this thing is spreading makes me inclined to believe this is a weaponized germ that got out by accident.the two concepts are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Say a janitor in charge with disposing of the test animals at the Wuhan bio lab..... had a horrible gambling problem, and he SOLD the animals TO THE WET MARKET, animals which tests were done on containing the SARS-Corona chimaera virus, that had an article published about its ethics concerns in 2015 .....

[Patrick Chewing]

Early December 2019: 1st case of Wuhan Coronavirus
Mid/Late December 2019 - Mid January 2020: Covering up the virus so most Chinese people don't know about it
January 20th 2020: 1st public announcement about the virus from President Xi

:facepalm

Some countries who took action early like Taiwan only has less than 50 cases. So many Chinese people go to Taiwan and vice versa that it should have thousands of cases by now but because it took action in early January, Taiwan has managed to contain the virus.

Millions of people went in and out of that country during that one month period. Nuts.

[BarberSchool]

Oh shut the **** up softy. It's a ****ing flu.while the death rates aren’t too much worse than a flu.... FLU doesn’t leave 15-30% of those who’s contract it with some degree of permanently impaired lung function due to pulmonary fibrosis.

Wake up son, you’re not in the superlative position. You’re the loud yet ignorant dude we all shake our heads at.

[bobopenguin]

Oh shut the **** up softy. It's a ****ing flu.

i am actually starting to think u are a chinese spy.

[MaxFly]

Time and time again, viruses have started there. Shut that damn market down because we will eventually get a virus from there that nothing will stop without wiping out half of the human species.

At some point, after we and the rest of the world have sufficiently dug out from the mess we find ourselves in, attention will turn to China.

[step_back]

At some point, after we and the rest of the world have sufficiently dug out from the mess we find ourselves in, attention will turn to China.

It might be a while but I personally think China is finished. If they rid themselves of the CCP they might be in with a chance but they have essentially blown up the global economy, created a global pandemic by trying to keep it under wraps allowing it to spread internationally and this is on top of their already poor behaviour. They steal EVERYTHING from IP rights to FDI (It's not illegal to defraud a foreigner) they drew a line in the south China sea and claimed it as territorial waters by illegally building islands and are generally hated by everyone around them. North Korea is only supported because they act as a buffer zone from the U.S and Russia sells them huge amounts of oil.

The world should give China an ultimatum. Either over throw your government or we'll stick an iron curtain up around you.

[MrFonzworth]

China alpha af for this.

[TheMan]

China alpha af for this.

:lol

I know you're Chinese but we ain't got it in for the Chinese people, we're talking about their evil government. That young whistleblower doctor the government goons tried to silence is a hero, now he's dead...we need more people like him and less of Xi.

The world needs to unite in punishing the Chinese government.

[tpols]

:lol

I know you're Chinese but we ain't got it in for the Chinese people, we're talking about their evil government. That young whistleblower doctor the government goons tried to silence is a hero, now he's dead...we need more people like him and less of Xi.

The world needs to unite in punishing the Chinese government.


they had the nerve to say USA did it. :roll:

i've got a deal. All our debt wiped. Thats more than fair, maybe even demand reparations.

[MrFonzworth]

they had the nerve to say USA did it. :roll:

i've got a deal. All our debt wiped. Thats more than fair, maybe even demand reparations.

What?

We don't know if they didn't. Trying to strike a "deal" like the Americans are driving the bus, you're in the back seat brother, buckle up.

[Long Duck Dong]

i am actually starting to think u are a chinese spy.
He only plays one while rolling around in his mom's basement

[tpols]

What?

We don't know if they didn't. Trying to strike a "deal" like the Americans are driving the bus, you're in the back seat brother, buckle up.

eh... nope.

the debt is now fake news. it's gone.

You owe us now.

[MrFonzworth]

He only plays one while rolling around in his mom's basement

Imagine being on ISH for 12 years and this being your go to insult:facepalm

[n00bie]

USA let the virus spread in their communities and called the virus just a flu for months.. letting thousands get infected with hundreds of deaths before taking it seriously.

[Hawker]

You can tell who the chinese are. Getting triggered. They also supported Yang.

My singaporean chinese friend expressed outrage to me when he posted the Trump china virus clip and I just posted the chinese diplomat saying the US military did it.

If China can talk shit, why can't Trump?

I guess he must've forgot all the times he said, "we're different than chinese" when saying how embarrassing chinese tourists were.

[Hawker]

USA let the virus spread in their communities and called the virus just a flu for months.. letting thousands get infected with hundreds of deaths before taking it seriously.

But the US didn't kill or detain people to shut them up. They could at least listen to experts and the media express a different opinion than Trump. Something you won't get in China.

Absolute false equivalency.

[MaxFly]

But the US didn't kill or detain people to shut them up. They could at least listen to experts and the media express a different opinion than Trump. Something you won't get in China.

Absolute false equivalency.

Agreed. The wet markets in China, where these sorts of viruses often originate, have been a point of contention for some time. China has actually shut them down in the past after viral outbreaks. Yes, people - especially young people - should have taken the warnings seriously. And yes, Trump himself should have taken the matter much more seriously at the outset. But let's remember that thousands of people are dying in Spain and Italy as well. If China isn't held accountable, these viral outbreaks are something we will see every decade.

[BurningHammer]

But the US didn't kill or detain people to shut them up. They could at least listen to experts and the media express a different opinion than Trump. Something you won't get in China.

Absolute false equivalency.
That's the good thing about being a free country.

The bad thing is that people are also taking their freedom to ignore the threat while their country leader being extremely irresponsible makes it worse. China strictly controls its people so much it has helped containing the virus faster.

[Lebron23]

China needs to be punish. I can see the relatives of those who get killed form a terrorist organization to attack China.

[bobopenguin]

China needs to be punish. I can see the relatives of those who get killed form a terrorist organization to attack China.

less chinese there is, less toxic world gonna be.

[Nanners]

Yeah... its totally Chinas fault that we are all catching the newest strain of the seasonal cold

[ErhnamDjinn]

Yeah... its totally Chinas fault that we are all catching the newest strain of the seasonal cold

well it is the suppressed the severity of the situation, and during the chinese new year allowed thousands to enter and exit the Hubei province during the height of the outbreak, I hope the world sanctions China and calls out there shitty bullying of there other Asian neighbors.

[andgar923]

I have my own theories, but I'll stay hush for now.

[FKAri]

I have my own theories, but I'll stay hush for now.

I'm guessing you'll remain hush later too.

[MrFonzworth]

less chinese there is, less toxic world gonna be.

What? You know you are Chinese right?

[n00bie]

less chinese there is, less toxic world gonna be.

You do know that everything coming out of China goes to the West right? China pollutes and destroys the world so we can have our Walmarts.

[Long Duck Dong]

You do know that everything coming out of China goes to the West right? China pollutes and destroys the world so we can have our Walmarts.

China's exports to Japan and Hong Kong are about the same as the US. China's exports to SE Asia is more than to all of Europe. Im guessing at least half of their manufacturing is for in country use. Want to keep throwing blame on the West?

[Axe]

China also has their own factories in Africa.

[Draz]

It came fro CHYNA

[MaxFly]

Yeah... its totally Chinas fault that we are all catching the newest strain of the seasonal cold

Italy just surpassed 10,000 deaths from coronavirus. They had over 1,000 deaths yesterday.

Yeah... China will have to be held accountable to some degree... especially as this has proven to be far more than just another new strain of the seasonal cold.

[n00bie]

Italy just surpassed 10,000 deaths from coronavirus. They had over 1,000 deaths yesterday.

Yeah... China will have to be held accountable to some degree... especially as this has proven to be far more than just another new strain of the seasonal cold.

But.. but.. it's just the flu.

Good luck trying to punish China. what are we going to do? bomb them? Start WW3? China, Russia, Iran, NK vs. U.S.?

[MaxFly]

But.. but.. it's just the flu.

Good luck trying to punish China. what are we going to do? bomb them? Start WW3? China, Russia, Iran, NK vs. U.S.?

This isn't really about punishing China. Rather, we, and I mean the world, because Italy (10k deaths), Spain (6k deaths) and others have a vested security and financial interest, are likely to advocate that China shut down their wet markets permanently and strictly regulate the sale and consumption of wild animals in order to prevent this from happening again.

It's possible we'll also see calls for China to compensate other countries in the aftermath, especially since they initially tried to cover up the outbreak.

[falc39]

But.. but.. it's just the flu.

Good luck trying to punish China. what are we going to do? bomb them? Start WW3? China, Russia, Iran, NK vs. U.S.?

Exactly. It's utterly pointless and destructive to do that. I mean, not long ago the line was not having the cure worse than the problem. Well that's a guaranteed way to make it worse than the problem. Imagine the precedent that would set.

[Pushxx]

USA let the virus spread in their communities and called the virus just a flu for months.. letting thousands get infected with hundreds of deaths before taking it seriously.

Some ppl still don't take it seriously lol I mean we can assume everything was royally ****ed up in Wuhan, but that doesn't mean everywhere else in the world didn't have time to react to what happened in China.

[BigKobeFan]

Hopefully this will be the end of globalisation. What i learned from all this. 1. Globalisation ****ed up the world; 2. We rely too much on china to produce our goods

[n00bie]

Some ppl still don't take it seriously lol I mean we can assume everything was royally ****ed up in Wuhan, but that doesn't mean everywhere else in the world didn't have time to react to what happened in China.

And... Trump just said he's winning the war against the virus. Wtf.. this is just the beginning and the U.S. is already #1 in confirmed cases. I actually was a Trump supporter before this pandemic. He isnt handling this well at all.

[n00bie]

This isn't really about punishing China. Rather, we, and I mean the world, because Italy (10k deaths), Spain (6k deaths) and others have a vested security and financial interest, are likely to advocate that China shut down their wet markets permanently and strictly regulate the sale and consumption of wild animals in order to prevent this from happening again.

It's possible we'll also see calls for China to compensate other countries in the aftermath, especially since they initially tried to cover up the outbreak.

I'm gonna bet China wont do shlt.

[FKAri]

Hopefully this will be the end of globalisation. What i learned from all this. 1. Globalisation ****ed up the world; 2. We rely too much on china to produce our goods

Pipe dream. Nobody's paying 2x prices for all their goods being made domestically by minimum wage workers.

[Facepalm]

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-boris-johnsons-government-reportedly-furious-with-china-2020-3

It's starting

[DoctorP]

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-boris-johnsons-government-reportedly-furious-with-china-2020-3

It's starting

they are lying about the size of it.
as usual.

(small dick)

[Long Duck Dong]

Pipe dream. Nobody's paying 2x prices for all their goods being made domestically by minimum wage workers.

And they won't. Malaysia, India, Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam and even Mexico can make most of the same stuff for about the same as China. People think China is some unstoppable force like Japan(and to a lesser extent Tawain)in the 80s. Japan's stuff was cheap but much better quality than China. The Chinese people are becoming more and more like westerners in their expectations of quality of life. Plus their population is just about peaked and should start dropping like a rock soon, like Japan.

[Facepalm]

And they won't. Malaysia, India, Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam and even Mexico can make most of the same stuff for about the same as China. People think China is some unstoppable force like Japan(and to a lesser extent Tawain)in the 80s. Japan's stuff was cheap but much better quality than China. The Chinese people are becoming more and more like westerners in their expectations of quality of life. Plus their population is just about peaked and should start dropping like a rock soon, like Japan.
Exactly, spread the supply chain out. No need to locate everything in China. There are plenty of cheap countries who are friendlier to the US that could take China's jobs

[TheMan]

But.. but.. it's just the flu.

Good luck trying to punish China. what are we going to do? bomb them? Start WW3? China, Russia, Iran, NK vs. U.S.?

You don't even have to belicose with them on a military scale. If all countries refused to let Chinese airlines in to their countries and stop people going to China until China agrees to measures that ensure this never happens again...hit em where it hurts, economically. Too many viruses come from that part of the world, we can't those idiots trying to cover up potential pandemics like they tried with Covid19. That was literally the worst thing they could've done, surpressing info and acting like nothing was going on while thousands of people were traveling out of China :facepalm

[bladefd]

Exactly, spread the supply chain out. No need to locate everything in China. There are plenty of cheap countries who are friendlier to the US that could take China's jobs

We will have to stop putting all of our eggs in one basket. If any positive comes from this coronavirus, it's the fact that we will pull away a bit from doing business in China.. Move business to democratic countries rather than the commie bastards.. Chinese government does nothing but lie and fabricate everything even when many lives are on the line. This is ridiculous that the a$$holes brought a plague and the world economy to its knees by their constant lying and cover-up for over a month.. Then continuously lied about the death counts, impacts and even information concerning person to person transmission..

[BarberSchool]

Over 30 outbound international flights PER DAY out of WUHAN for over a month despite knowing how bad the outbreak was.

Criminal negligence with global health.

China is about to watch demand for its manufactured products dwindle in markets worldwide. Their aspirations for the first half of the 21st century are DONE.

CHINA’S TIME AS A MONOPOLIZED GLOBAL CENTER FOR MANUFACTURING ARE OVER.

Will they act desperate and suicidal ?
Or humble themselves and go back to the drawing board while fasting for awhile ?

They are a very old culture with much history of ups and downs to reflect upon.
And they posesss the quality of delayed gratification and fully understanding shaming one’s ancestors. So I am leaning that they will not try to commit any real murder-suicide on their way back down.

[ZenMaster]

We will have to stop putting all of our eggs in one basket. If any positive comes from this coronavirus, it's the fact that we will pull away a bit from doing business in China.. Move business to democratic countries rather than the commie bastards.. Chinese government does nothing but lie and fabricate everything even when many lives are on the line. This is ridiculous that the a$$holes brought a plague and the world economy to its knees by their constant lying and cover-up for over a month.. Then continuously lied about the death counts, impacts and even information concerning person to person transmission..

Why not let those baskets be the individual states of the United States of America? Why move American businesses to other countries?

Why not buy and keep production local? Why not build a strong middle class right in the US?

Yeah the products will cost you a bit more in the short term, so buy a bit less for a while and wait until the competition for said products grow and the prices come back down.

Bernie has the right idea that billionaires shouldn't exist(or at least there should be very few), but he's going about solving it all wrong as it shouldn't happen through taxation, but instead through general higher employee payouts.
He loves to refer to Denmark and how even the lowest jobs pay a fair wage, but there is no minimum wage law there, instead it's people who have been very strong historically at gathering in large unions and putting pressure on the employers.
At Wall Mart you get fired if you try to start a union, and the politicians support that system because they are bought and paid for.

We need to change the fact that politicians are able to take money from corporations and them protecting the companies interests when it comes to general wage suppression.
Corporations are made up of individual people who get to vote, they all represented there anyway, so the whole idea of a corporate entity being able to affect politics by itself is stupid.

Oh and how about the climate? Just how stupid is the general idea, that all our stuff needs to be built across the world and shipped thousands of miles, using god knows how much gas and oil before they are available for us to buy?

[bladefd]

Why not let those baskets be the individual states of the United States of America? Why move American businesses to other countries?

Why not buy and keep production local? Why not build a strong middle class right in the US?

Yeah the products will cost you a bit more in the short term, so buy a bit less for a while and wait until the competition for said products grow and the prices come back down.

Bernie has the right idea that billionaires shouldn't exist(or at least there should be very few), but he's going about solving it all wrong as it shouldn't happen through taxation, but instead through general higher employee payouts.
He loves to refer to Denmark and how even the lowest jobs pay a fair wage, but there is no minimum wage law there, instead it's people who have been very strong historically at gathering in large unions and putting pressure on the employers.
At Wall Mart you get fired if you try to start a union, and the politicians support that system because they are bought and paid for.

We need to change the fact that politicians are able to take money from corporations and them protecting the companies interests when it comes to general wage suppression.
Corporations are made up of individual people who get to vote, they all represented there anyway, so the whole idea of a corporate entity being able to affect politics by itself is stupid.

Oh and how about the climate? Just how stupid is the general idea, that all our stuff needs to be built across the world and shipped thousands of miles, using god knows how much gas and oil before they are available for us to buy?

Sure, that would be ideal but we know it would be more expensive to do manufacturing in America. I don't think most companies would be on-board unfortunately because their profit margins would dwindle, and I also don't know if consumers will be open to spending more. The days of America being manufacturers is gone, and I am afraid it's too late to change that. The only market that we can truly keep local are for farming/vegetables/fruits/etc.. But factories?? Seems unlikely.

I am also all for killing citizens United and no longer considering corporations as individuals. I think this is doable but I don't expect Trump or Biden to be the ones to do it. It will have to be someone who is not all gung-ho about corporations, which won't happen until 2024 at the earliest unless if Bernie somehow can pull through (highly doubt it).

I am with you on globalization exacerbating climate change issues. Again, it unfortunately comes back to cost. I wish we could be more local rather than manufacturing in China then shipping it thousands of miles across the ocean. It is so inefficient and waste of resources.. I don't have a way to overcome the costs issue. Maybe if we manufactured more closer to us like in Mexico to get more bang for the buck, keep costs down, improve situation in Mexico to stop people from having a reason to cross the border and minimize long distance transportation. That's the best I have..

[Hawker]

Sure, that would be ideal but we know it would be more expensive to do manufacturing in America. I don't think most companies would be on-board unfortunately because their profit margins would dwindle, and I also don't know if consumers will be open to spending more. The days of America being manufacturers is gone, and I am afraid it's too late to change that. The only market that we can truly keep local are for farming/vegetables/fruits/etc.. But factories?? Seems unlikely.

I am also all for killing citizens United and no longer considering corporations as individuals. I think this is doable but I don't expect Trump or Biden to be the ones to do it. It will have to be someone who is not all gung-ho about corporations, which won't happen until 2024 at the earliest unless if Bernie somehow can pull through (highly doubt it).

I am with you on globalization exacerbating climate change issues. Again, it unfortunately comes back to cost. I wish we could be more local rather than manufacturing in China then shipping it thousands of miles across the ocean. It is so inefficient and waste of resources.. I don't have a way to overcome the costs issue. Maybe if we manufactured more closer to us like in Mexico to get more bang for the buck, keep costs down, improve situation in Mexico to stop people from having a reason to cross the border and minimize long distance transportation. That's the best I have..

If it costs less, it's technically more efficient. The price signals indicate it as that and is actually how resources get organized so it's not a waste of resources with the current situation.

The extra costs is due to excessive regulations and laws that de-incentivize companies from operating in the US. Denmark also has a lot less people and a lot less immigration. You'd have to severely limit immigration in the US but we know you won't do that because you're afraid of being called racist.

[bladefd]

If it costs less, it's technically more efficient. The price signals indicate it as that and is actually how resources get organized so it's not a waste of resources with the current situation.

The extra costs is due to excessive regulations and laws that de-incentivize companies from operating in the US. Denmark also has a lot less people and a lot less immigration. You'd have to severely limit immigration in the US but we know you won't do that because you're afraid of being called racist.

What would you suggest? Factories would have to pay workers $2/hr to compete with China or bangladesh.. How do you reckon we make that work? Even if you raise it to $5/hr, how does someone make do with $800/month working full time?? Someone in China or Bangladesh may be able to get away with that income in their country once you convert into their currencies, but here $800/month might barely get you rent money in Southern states.. Forget food, electricity, water, sales taxes on much of it, transportation, education, etc etc. You can't compete with China or Bangladesh or India for labor costs. We already have low corporate taxes last couple years but it has done little or nothing to bring back factories here like Republicans anticipated. Trump has been slashing regulations across the board including clean air and water regulations. Where are the new factories? Where are the cost savings? Oh right, companies spent most of their savings in stock buybacks or bonuses for their executives :facepalm

We already limit immigration. We always have and always will. There are no open borders and shouldn't be.

[MaxFly]

Exactly, spread the supply chain out. No need to locate everything in China. There are plenty of cheap countries who are friendlier to the US that could take China's jobs

I said this in the tariff thread a few months ago. Instead of these foolish and self-defeating tariffs, the administration should have focused on incentivizing more diversification in our supply chains and the development and strengthening of other corporate partnerships. If we helped other countries develop and expand their production and manufacturing capabilities while providing tax incentives for US corporations to utilize those alternative supply chains, we could really put pressure on China while helping our companies position themselves better for the future with a more decentralized, less easily stymied supply chain.

[Facepalm]

I said this in the tariff thread a few months ago. Instead of these foolish and self-defeating tariffs, the administration should have focused on incentivizing more diversification in our supply chains and the development and strengthening of other corporate partnerships. If we helped other countries develop and expand their production and manufacturing capabilities while providing tax incentives for US corporations to utilize those alternative supply chains, we could really put pressure on China while helping our companies position themselves better for the future with a more decentralized, less easily stymied supply chain.

That's much too nuanced and complicated to explain to Trump. Cracks me up when all these Trumptards claim he's playing 4d chess. Everyone knows he's probably the least intelligent President we've ever had. Dude speaks at a 4th grade (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-fire-and-fury-smart-genius-obama-774169) level for goodness sake.

[tpols]

It's coming out that China has 40 to 50x more cases than they say.

They've been lying for months.

[Facepalm]

It's coming out that China has 40 to 50x more cases than they say.

They've been lying for months.

Think we all knew that. Wuhan citizens saying Xi has been lying

[Long Duck Dong]

China being reckless AF with these deadly diseases.

A report came out yesterday that a Chinese scientist attempted to bring the SARS and MERS coronavirus INTO the US in 2018 without alerting authorities but he was intercepted by customs agents. :facepalm

https://news.yahoo.com/suspected-sars-virus-and-flu-found-in-luggage-fbi-report-describes-chinas-biosecurity-risk-144526820.html

[bladefd]

I said this in the tariff thread a few months ago. Instead of these foolish and self-defeating tariffs, the administration should have focused on incentivizing more diversification in our supply chains and the development and strengthening of other corporate partnerships. If we helped other countries develop and expand their production and manufacturing capabilities while providing tax incentives for US corporations to utilize those alternative supply chains, we could really put pressure on China while helping our companies position themselves better for the future with a more decentralized, less easily stymied supply chain.

Especially if you move the supply chains to Mexico and Latin America.. It can lessen immigration into America if you improve their conditions by opening factories there. Then you don't need a massive expensive useless wall, which wouldn't work as it is.

[bladefd]

It's coming out that China has 40 to 50x more cases than they say.

They've been lying for months.

Just the flu, right tpols??

[tpols]

Just the flu, right tpols??

i mean it is, just a very contagious one. the measured death rate in places that have been testing and reporting real news is well under 1%.

and if the numbers are cooked this badly, it means the death rate may be even lower than that.

[bladefd]

China being reckless AF with these deadly diseases.

A report came out yesterday that a Chinese scientist attempted to bring the SARS and MERS coronavirus INTO the US in 2018 without alerting authorities but he was intercepted by customs agents. :facepalm

https://news.yahoo.com/suspected-sars-virus-and-flu-found-in-luggage-fbi-report-describes-chinas-biosecurity-risk-144526820.html

The Chinese government is going to be the death of us all unless the Chinese people put them down. F*** that commie government.

[~primetime~]

Wuhan footage:

https://twitter.com/TIME/status/1244588216117858304

the quarantine is being lifted there April 8th

This is good for us in the US...we will see if they have a 2nd wave after lifting the ban...a sneak peak

[TheMan]

Especially if you move the supply chains to Mexico and Latin America.. It can lessen immigration into America if you improve their conditions by opening factories there. Then you don't need a massive expensive useless wall, which wouldn't work as it is.
Exactly this, but corporations going to China are greedy mfers, they pay Mexican workers low wages but China pays slave wages. Mexican made products have a higher quality standard overall too. For example, anyone who plays guitar knows that Mexican made Fender guitars are very well made guitars, almost a well made as American ones but with slightly inferior electronics, OTOH Chinese Fenders are in general, crap.

We need to move our companies out of China...these fukks need to be made to pay for the way they tried to coverup this outbreak while countless planes were coming and going out of Wuhan for weeks :mad:

[Hawker]

I said this in the tariff thread a few months ago. Instead of these foolish and self-defeating tariffs, the administration should have focused on incentivizing more diversification in our supply chains and the development and strengthening of other corporate partnerships. If we helped other countries develop and expand their production and manufacturing capabilities while providing tax incentives for US corporations to utilize those alternative supply chains, we could really put pressure on China while helping our companies position themselves better for the future with a more decentralized, less easily stymied supply chain.

That's pretty much corporatism. The government providing sweetheart deals for US corporations. Thought you guys are supposed to be against that?

We don't have the "pseudo private" company set up that China has going on.

Not saying the tariffs are great. What we should be really focusing on is slashing regulations and red tape at home.

[Hawker]

That's much too nuanced and complicated to explain to Trump. Cracks me up when all these Trumptards claim he's playing 4d chess. Everyone knows he's probably the least intelligent President we've ever had. Dude speaks at a 4th grade (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-fire-and-fury-smart-genius-obama-774169) level for goodness sake.

More intelligent than the ones predicting and boasting that Hillary would win. I see humility is not a virtue you value.

[bigkingsfan]

i mean it is, just a very contagious one. the measured death rate in places that have been testing and reporting real news is well under 1%.

and if the numbers are cooked this badly, it means the death rate may be even lower than that.
What countries are you even talking about, even in Germany it's at 1% now and that number will continue to climb, like I told you last week.

South Korea is the most accurate so far, due to how far along they are and it's even at 1.66%

[Facepalm]

More intelligent than the ones predicting and boasting that Hillary would win.
Not even close to relevant or true even if it was.


I see humility is not a virtue you value.
You support Trump so I guess you don't value it either.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/023/397/C-658VsXoAo3ovC.jpg

[TheMan]

You support Trump so I guess you don't value it either.

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Ziiiiing!!

[Hawker]

Not even close to relevant or true even if it was.


You support Trump so I guess you don't value it either.

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Ha. That's a load of BS. Lucky Jeff deleted everything.

You're making the jokes and repeating the lines that stupid people laugh at.

Reminds me of this scene with Hitchens and Bill Maher:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HECI4QK_mXA

[ZenMaster]

I said this in the tariff thread a few months ago. Instead of these foolish and self-defeating tariffs, the administration should have focused on incentivizing more diversification in our supply chains and the development and strengthening of other corporate partnerships. If we helped other countries develop and expand their production and manufacturing capabilities while providing tax incentives for US corporations to utilize those alternative supply chains, we could really put pressure on China while helping our companies position themselves better for the future with a more decentralized, less easily stymied supply chain.

Why this need to produce most things in other countries? Why don't you want production for the US, within the US?

If you really care about the climate, how can you argue for a system where general consumer products are shipped around the world using fuel and resources?
Oh you want to buy a new keyboard or maybe some sperm from a donor in another country? Well we'll let a a shipping company light up jet engines for the purpose of moving your products, just so you can get them a bit quicker.

What good does it do to "help our companies" if they aren't paying out proper wages for the majority of their workers, but instead has a billionaire owner and high level management that make 100 million+ in their lifetime?
Is it important that they do well so they can pay more in tax to the government and thereby helping out? Well that's the system we've been operating with in the last 40 years or so, it's horribly broken creating and huge inequality.

**** globalism, it's time for change.

[Axe]

Not even close to relevant or true even if it was.


You support Trump so I guess you don't value it either.

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Yikes.

[Long Duck Dong]

Scientists and governments around the world no longer defending China, and claiming the virus was 100% zoonotic. Apparently researchers in China were occasionally sprayed with infected animal blood, including from bats, with only "level 2" protection which I guess isn't sufficient to protect them.

It's possible reason China tried to cover up this outbreak early on.


A study by the South China University of Technology concluded that Covid-19 'probably' originated in the Centre for Disease Control – although shortly after its publication, the research paper was removed from a social networking site for scientists and researchers.

Intriguingly, when the wildlife market was closed in January, a report appeared in the Beijing News identifying Huang Yanling, a researcher at the Institute of Virology, as 'patient zero' – the first person to be infected.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8188557/Did-coronavirus-leak-research-lab-Wuhan-Startling-theory-no-longer-discounted.html

[FKAri]

Why this need to produce most things in other countries? Why don't you want production for the US, within the US?

If you really care about the climate, how can you argue for a system where general consumer products are shipped around the world using fuel and resources?
Oh you want to buy a new keyboard or maybe some sperm from a donor in another country? Well we'll let a a shipping company light up jet engines for the purpose of moving your products, just so you can get them a bit quicker.

What good does it do to "help our companies" if they aren't paying out proper wages for the majority of their workers, but instead has a billionaire owner and high level management that make 100 million+ in their lifetime?
Is it important that they do well so they can pay more in tax to the government and thereby helping out? Well that's the system we've been operating with in the last 40 years or so, it's horribly broken creating and huge inequality.

**** globalism, it's time for change.

You don't seem to grasp the consequences of what you are suggesting.

[RRR3]

Not even close to relevant or true even if it was.


You support Trump so I guess you don't value it either.

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[Long Duck Dong]

The WHO director facing lots of pressure from Western Nations to resign. He's either extremely gullible, being bribed by the Chinese or extremely stupid. He didn't raise the alarm about the how serious the spread of COVID-19 was while China sent flights out Wuhan for almost a month before he spoke up. And he actually praised China for their transparency :oldlol:

[Facepalm]

The WHO director facing lots of pressure from Western Nations to resign. He's either extremely gullible, being bribed by the Chinese or extremely stupid. He didn't raise the alarm about the how serious the spread of COVID-19 was while China sent flights out Wuhan for almost a month before he spoke up. And he actually praised China for their transparency :oldlol:

Sack him.

[rawimpact]

The WHO director facing lots of pressure from Western Nations to resign. He's either extremely gullible, being bribed by the Chinese or extremely stupid. He didn't raise the alarm about the how serious the spread of COVID-19 was while China sent flights out Wuhan for almost a month before he spoke up. And he actually praised China for their transparency :oldlol:

Lets not forget the CDC, over 5B dollar budget and is completely worthless

[ZenMaster]

You don't seem to grasp the consequences of what you are suggesting.

You mean less inequality? Less stress on the climate?

[bladefd]

The WHO director facing lots of pressure from Western Nations to resign. He's either extremely gullible, being bribed by the Chinese or extremely stupid. He didn't raise the alarm about the how serious the spread of COVID-19 was while China sent flights out Wuhan for almost a month before he spoke up. And he actually praised China for their transparency :oldlol:

Demote him and post him on the field as punishment. He might be a good doctor, but he should not be leading the WHO.

[coin24]

What a shocker, the EU, UN, WHO are all total incompetent and a waste of money.

[bobopenguin]

What a shocker, the EU, UN, WHO are all total incompetent and a waste of money.

infiltrated by chinese CCP, since they bribed like entire african/south american/poor south asian countries.

[MaxFly]

That's pretty much corporatism. The government providing sweetheart deals for US corporations. Thought you guys are supposed to be against that?

We don't have the "pseudo private" company set up that China has going on.

Not saying the tariffs are great. What we should be really focusing on is slashing regulations and red tape at home.

The US government has a long standing history of providing tax incentives aimed at encouraging investment, expansion and actions that they hope will ultimately benefit the US economy. We don't have the set up that China has, but we're not talking about forcing companies to make certain business decisions. Rather, the aim is to work to create more favorable conditions for our companies around the world so that they aren't forced to do business with Chinese manufacturers in order to remain competitive.

[Long Duck Dong]

The latest stinging report is that based on China's import history, China most certainly knew of an upcoming pandemic weeks ahead of letting the world know it had a dangerous virus on the loose. They were beginning to hoard medical supplies a long time before they let WHO know about COVID-19.

[Draz]

Ok CHYNA lied now what?

[tpols]

Ok CHYNA lied now what?

let the rest of the world hit em with a cuban style embargo.

we pulling out.

[Patrick Chewing]

Ok CHYNA lied now what?


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[DoctorP]

china lied and nothing will happen. next issue

[DoctorP]

chewing typed his post on something made in china

[DoctorP]

china rulez

biden droolz

[DoctorP]

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the gayest person here wants to nuke all the straights

[Patrick Chewing]

chewing typed his post on something made in china

Why are you the most triggered poster on this site? Nobody likes you. Go away.

[DoctorP]

Why are you the most triggered poster on this site? Nobody likes you. Go away.

gayest ever CHEWING

TRIGGERED

[DoctorP]

Why are you the most triggered poster on this site? Nobody likes you. Go away.
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[rawimpact]

Why are you the most triggered poster on this site? Nobody likes you. Go away.

Probably because no one gives him attention. If they did, he wouldn't spend all of his time on this forum.

[DoctorP]

Probably because no one gives him attention. If they did, he wouldn't spend all of his time on this forum.
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[MaxFly]

Why this need to produce most things in other countries? Why don't you want production for the US, within the US?


I'd love to produce things within the US, but US companies manufacture goods abroad because it's cheaper to do so and because many of the component pieces that find their way into US products are made by foreign companies that manufacture their items in the same locales. Lower manufacturing costs typically translate to lower prices for American consumers... and American consumers have gotten used to low prices.


If you really care about the climate, how can you argue for a system where general consumer products are shipped around the world using fuel and resources?
Oh you want to buy a new keyboard or maybe some sperm from a donor in another country? Well we'll let a a shipping company light up jet engines for the purpose of moving your products, just so you can get them a bit quicker.

Not me... American consumers. I'm simply arguing that if we're going to do what American consumers are already inadvertently demanding, then we should at least add some diversity and redundancy to our manufacturing processes and supply chain. If you want to move manufacturing back to the United States while keeping prices at the levels American consumers have grown used to, that would be great... and I'd love to hear how you plan to do that across the board.


What good does it do to "help our companies" if they aren't paying out proper wages for the majority of their workers, but instead has a billionaire owner and high level management that make 100 million+ in their lifetime?

This isn't strictly about "helping our companies." My argument is about making sure they, and by extension, our economy, is less reliant on China. We already have economic incentives for companies that stay and build in the US, but we should work more assiduously to reduce China's influence... and that will realistically take more than simple trying to get US companies to return manufacturing to the US.

Incidentally, I'm sure you realize that the billionaire owner is a billionaire due to the value of their company, right? Or more specifically, how others and the market in general value their company. I don't begrudge billionaires their billions, but I do believe their companies should have more equitable pay rates and scales for their workforces.


Is it important that they do well so they can pay more in tax to the government and thereby helping out? Well that's the system we've been operating with in the last 40 years or so, it's horribly broken creating and huge inequality.

**** globalism, it's time for change.


It's important they do well so that we, collectively, don't need to rely on China as much as we now do. :confusedshrug: