Now that its all said and done...

[SwayDizzle]

Lebron is still the best player on planet Earth. I wonder what you all think

[FKAri]

In spurts, especially taking into acount game management and decision making, sure. But you can tweak the wording and the answer can come out Giannis or Kawhi.

[LAmbruh]

17th season and still

[3ball]

he only beat the West 3 times, so he only makes 3 Finals if he played out West for his career

that's why winning the Finals matters - otherwise your Finals appearance was conference-dependant (cringe)

that's why lebron is nowhere near goat - his resume is based on a weak conference and stacking the deck in said conference... and we haven't even mentioned his weaker accolades and stats (not #1 in PPG, PER, BPM, or WS/48 like the real goat)... and weaker clutch

[LAmbruh]

he only beat the West 3 times, so he only makes 3 Finals if he played out West for his career


nope, just the opposite


put Lebron out West for his career and he'd be on a "stacked" Western team plowing through competition even more than he did out East


at 35yo has a washed version 2017 Pelicans in #1 seed

[3ball]

nope, just the opposite


put Lebron out West for his career and he'd be on a "stacked" Western team plowing through competition even more than he did out East


at 35yo has s washed version 2017 Pelicans in #1 seed
Lebron had the most stacked teams

"not 6, not 7" casts in Miami and his 15' cast was the league favorite before the Kyrie injury

yet he could only beat the west 3 times

the biggest fraud ever..

a total loser in the championship - what's his win-loss record in the Finals? like 18-32 or some garbage? so his teams are the "LA Clippers" of the Finals (back when they sucked,)

[LAmbruh]

17th Season

#1 seed out West

GOAT shit


:applause:

[FireDavidKahn]

he only beat the West 3 times, so he only makes 3 Finals if he played out West for his career

that's why winning the Finals matters - otherwise your Finals appearance was conference-dependant (cringe)

that's why lebron is nowhere near goat - his resume is based on a weak conference and stacking the deck in said conference... and we haven't even mentioned his weaker accolades and stats (not #1 in PPG, PER, BPM, or WS/48 like the real goat)... and weaker clutch

You stay losing, baby boi

[3ball]

17th Season

#1 seed out West

GOAT shit


:applause:
who leads the team in ppg, rebs, blocks, steals, efficiency, FT's, PER and WS/48

as usual, LeBron's weak scoring ability compared to mj, bird or Kobe causes him to need an equal scoring and usage partner to win

[Axe]

nope, just the opposite


put Lebron out West for his career and he'd be on a "stacked" Western team plowing through competition even more than he did out East


at 35yo has a washed version 2017 Pelicans in #1 seed
You mean if lebron was only drafted by a western team back in 2003 and stayed in that conference for 15 years, he'd probably have more championships? Rofl. 😹

[3ball]

You stay losing, baby boi
actually, lebron stays losing MVP's (none in 7 years)

and championships (3/9 and 3/17 overall - the worst out of any top 10 candidate)

ultimately, his style turns teammates into spot-up shooters which doesn't develop teammates or good brand, so he must win via talent acquired via team-hopping.. the biggest loser MO ever

[LAmbruh]

Going on 36yo

#1 MVP candidate

#1 seed out West

GOAT shit


:applause:

[3ball]

Going on 36yo

#1 MVP candidate

#1 seed out West

GOAT shit


:applause:
how does the goat go 7 years in his prime with no MVP?

how does the goat team up with the best help possible and then proceed to be a perennial loser/underdog?

how does the goat lose to Dwight Howard as a +700 favorite and the overall league favorite?

How is the goat not a great shooter from any distance?

the facts have spoken - lebron is nowhere near goat..

[LAmbruh]

no pip no chip

[3ball]

no pip no chip
no wade, Bosh, love or Kyrie no chip

lebron needed way more help

[FireDavidKahn]

no wade, Bosh, love or Kyrie no chip

lebron needed way more help

But LeBron has won a chip with no Wade.
He has also won a chip with no Bosh.
He has also won a chip with no Love.
He has also won a chip with no Kyrie.

[LAmbruh]

no pip
































































no chip

[LAmbruh]

But LeBron has won a chip with no Wade.
He has also won a chip with no Bosh.
He has also won a chip with no Love.
He has also won a chip with no Kyrie.
https://media1.giphy.com/media/14ceV8wMLIGO6Q/giphy.gif

[Stanley Kobrick]

yes Pip, yes Chip

[3ball]

yes Pip, yes Chip
Scottie Pippen... you mean the guy with the biggest gap from the #1 option in the history of the game??? (10-30 less than mj in every series)... that guy????.. :oldlol:

face facts:

LeBron always needed a 3rd star scorer to win (Big 3).. he also needed an equal scoring and usage partner to win (and closer), whereas mj had the biggest scoring gap ever between him and his sidekick, and always closed

[highwhey]

But LeBron has won a chip with no Wade.
He has also won a chip with no Bosh.
He has also won a chip with no Love.
He has also won a chip with no Kyrie.

#ethered

3ball needs to seek help from a mental health professional. :(

[3ball]

#ethered

3ball needs to seek help from a mental health professional. :(
Pippen is just 1 star

LeBron always needed a 3rd star to win (Big 3)..

so you lose

he also needed an equal scoring and usage partner to win (and closer), whereas mj had the biggest scoring gap ever between him and his sidekick, and always closed

[FireDavidKahn]

Pippen is just 1 star

LeBron always needed a 3rd star to win (Big 3)..

so you lose

he also needed an equal scoring and usage partner to win (and closer), whereas mj had the biggest scoring gap ever between him and his sidekick, and always closed




in 2014, wade put up 15/4/4 on 44% as a second option.

in 1998, when mj had “no help,” kukoc was putting up 15/5/4 on 50% as a third option.

29 less ppg were scored in 98 finals...

:roll:

[FireDavidKahn]

LeBron's "3rd star" when he came back down 1-3 against the Warriors:

8.5 ppg on 36.2%/26.3%/70.6%
6.8 rpg

"help"

[3ball]

:roll:
mj set the record for percentage of points scored in that series

no one has ever done more

and lol thinking kukoc compares to Bosh or wade

[3ball]

LeBron's "3rd star" when he came back down 1-3 against the Warriors:

8.5 ppg on 36.2%/26.3%/70.6%
6.8 rpg

"help"
Kyrie averaged 29 ppg (best ever for 2nd option) and closed

should I post Kyrie vs pippen playoff and Finals stats?

[TheCorporation]

But LeBron has won a chip with no Wade.
He has also won a chip with no Bosh.
He has also won a chip with no Love.
He has also won a chip with no Kyrie.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/14ceV8wMLIGO6Q/giphy.gif

[3ball]

.
Playoffs

Kyrie 16-17' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2016-2017-sum:playoffs_per_game)...... 23.9 ppg.. 57.3 ts.. 41% threes.. 89% ft.. 2.5 tov.. 23.0 PER.. 0.181 ws/48.. 3.6 obpm
Pippen 91-96' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1996-sum:playoffs_per_game)... 19.8 ppg.. 52.4 ts.. 28% threes.. 72% ft.. 3.1 tov.. 19.7 PER.. 0.157 ws/48.. 3.1 obpm

Kyrie 16-17' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2016-2017-sum:playoffs_advanced)...... outplayed league mvp.. hit Finals-winning shot
Pippen 91-96' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1996-sum:playoffs_advanced)... outplayed by schrempf.. no winning shots


Ultimately, the Bulls would've been much better on both sides of the ball with Kyrie replacing Pippen - they'd have better offense because of Kyrie, and better defense because the team can pursue cheaper defenders and hustle guys versus needing expensive scorers and shooters like Pippen's weaker offense requires.

[LAmbruh]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/14ceV8wMLIGO6Q/giphy.gif

https://media1.giphy.com/media/14ceV8wMLIGO6Q/giphy.gif

[FireDavidKahn]

.
Playoffs

Kyrie 16-17' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2016-2017-sum:playoffs_per_game)...... 23.9 ppg.. 57.3 ts.. 41% threes.. 89% ft.. 2.5 tov.. 23.0 PER.. 0.181 ws/48.. 3.6 obpm
Pippen 91-96' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1996-sum:playoffs_per_game)... 19.8 ppg.. 52.4 ts.. 28% threes.. 72% ft.. 3.1 tov.. 19.7 PER.. 0.157 ws/48.. 3.1 obpm

Kyrie 16-17' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2016-2017-sum:playoffs_advanced)...... outplayed league mvp.. hit Finals-winning shot
Pippen 91-96' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1996-sum:playoffs_advanced)... outplayed by schrempf.. no winning shots


Ultimately, the Bulls would've been much better on both sides of the ball with Kyrie replacing Pippen - they'd have better offense because of Kyrie, and better defense because the team can pursue cheaper defenders and hustle guys versus needing expensive scorers and shooters like Pippen's weaker offense requires.

2 way game baby boi

[3ball]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/14ceV8wMLIGO6Q/giphy.gif
dumb argument that applies to anyone that needed to change teams

oh look, Shaq didn't need Kobe to win with Wade

what a surprise

[Axe]

Just try asking this yourselves...

If many of you think that lebron is really the goat, then why did he went to the miami heat again back in 2010?

[SwayDizzle]

We ain’t talking about Bron being GOAT. It is clear this title belongs to MJ. We talking about bron still being the best in the nba. Durant was the only one that could dethrown the king but he is injured and out of the picture now.

[SouBeachTalents]

Just the fact at 35 in his 17th season he's legitimately in the conversation is amazing enough. If and when the playoffs do happen, we'll have a clearer idea of who the BITW is

[SwayDizzle]

Just the fact at 35 in his 17th season he's legitimately in the conversation is amazing enough. If and when the playoffs do happen, we'll have a clearer idea of who the BITW is
I agree. It is amazing what he is able to pull off at this age and with the total minutes played. He reminds me of pre-injury Kobe. He is just so freakishly strong and athletic tho. His body seems in much better shape than Kobe’s was in his 17th season.

[DoctorP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfWlOmGEfvU

[red1]

lebron is absolutely still the king and still the best in the league. I think he was gearing up to prove that with AD by his side.


we will still get that when they restart the season this summer. just watch.

[Wally450]

Best in the world still. Prayers up for LeBron to stay healthy.

[Axe]

We ain’t talking about Bron being GOAT. It is clear this title belongs to MJ. We talking about bron still being the best in the nba. Durant was the only one that could dethrown the king but he is injured and out of the picture now.
Yeah, i guess so. In this era, i suppose he's unanimously the best.

[warriorfan]

No AD, no playoff birth out west

LeChode Fam take this L

[red1]

No AD, no playoff birth out west

LeChode Fam take this L

you illiterate ****. :oldlol:


top-4 seed before the (massive) groin injury :eek:


one-man team :eek:

[red1]

Best in the world still. Prayers up for LeBron to stay healthy.

:applause: lordbe will watch over us

https://media.giphy.com/media/HhWpLFOMqNTgI/source.gif

[LAmbruh]

you illiterate ****. :oldlol:


top-4 seed before the (massive) groin injury


one-man team :eek:

poor little Welfarfan


no Iggy, no KD, no playoff birth out West :oldlol:

[red1]

poor little Welfarfan


no Iggy, no KD, no playoff birth out West :oldlol:
steph is THAT dude but those comparisons to lebron in hindsight are an absolute joke :roll:


steph cant even hold lebron or kobe's jockstrap - he's just not on that level. "GOAT" shooter of all-time but not a "GOAT" GOAT. if you know what I mean.