View Full Version : Is this Kobe's worst prime regular season game?
Hey Yo
03-22-2020, 09:59 AM
Not trolling.
I was watching the replay of Miami vs. LAL from 2004 when Shaq and Kobe squared off for the first time since the Shaq trade.
The commentator mentioned the recent game LA played against Memphis and LA only scored 24pts in the 2nd half. I looked up the box score and saw Kobe was awful.
He went 0-10 in the 2nd half and would have only scored 4pts for the game w/o FTA in almost 45 minutes played.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200412200LAL.html
Like I said, I'm not trolling and don't care if James has 30gms worse than that. I just don't recall seeing a game that bad from him in his prime.
Phoenix
03-22-2020, 10:07 AM
Whatever the 'honest' intent behind the thread it's going to end up inviting troll comments because this is ISH.
Yes, by all measure it's a shit game by someone of his standard. Worst game for Kobe? Without seeing the boxscore for all 1000+ of his games it's hard to say but surely it's up there.
ImKobe
03-22-2020, 10:18 AM
One of his worst shooting-wise but he did pass the ball & play defense & they held Memphis to just 82 points. I could probably point to a random 10/30 game with 0-1 assists and 5 turnovers.
Kblaze8855
03-22-2020, 10:57 AM
He had a game we used to talk about vs the Celtics where he was either 17 of 41 or 47. It was one of those two I think. People at the time were saying it was awful but I don’t remember many other times people made a big deal of a poor Kobe game. He probably had 40 that game too. Obviously not on good shooting but....whatever.
warriorfan
03-22-2020, 10:59 AM
Almost as bad as 2011
Imagine being outscored by Jason Terry while playing way more minutes in the NBA Finals
Yikes!
Kblaze8855
03-22-2020, 11:00 AM
https://youtu.be/XVWyfskOMH8
It was 47 shots. ISH had a lot to say as always.
Turbo Slayer
03-22-2020, 11:51 AM
i dont know dunno..
iamgine
03-22-2020, 12:02 PM
Not trolling.
I was watching the replay of Miami vs. LAL from 2004 when Shaq and Kobe squared off for the first time since the Shaq trade.
The commentator mentioned the recent game LA played against Memphis and LA only scored 24pts in the 2nd half. I looked up the box score and saw Kobe was awful.
He went 0-10 in the 2nd half and would have only scored 4pts for the game w/o FTA in almost 45 minutes played.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200412200LAL.html
Like I said, I'm not trolling and don't care if James has 30gms worse than that. I just don't recall seeing a game that bad from him in his prime.
Well there's this game: https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200802050NJN.html
Or this game: https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201003260OKC.html
ImKobe
03-22-2020, 01:44 PM
https://youtu.be/XVWyfskOMH8
It was 47 shots. ISH had a lot to say as always.
Yup. I believe this was after Shaq came into the season fat & without having rehabbed his toe injury, which sidelined him for a month and Kobe had to play with a roster that was worse than the 05-07 ones since Derek Fisher and Robert Horry were his 2nd & 3rd options. He did pass the ball quite a bit during this stretch but he was the only player who could create his own shot.
Stanley Kobrick
03-22-2020, 02:05 PM
https://youtu.be/XVWyfskOMH8
It was 47 shots. ISH had a lot to say as always.
wow, ugly. kobe had quite a few of these notable moments
Rysio
03-22-2020, 04:25 PM
https://youtu.be/XVWyfskOMH8
It was 47 shots. ISH had a lot to say as always.
Lol Kobe was a gunslinger of course he was gonna have a few games like this
Turbo Slayer
03-22-2020, 04:32 PM
https://youtu.be/XVWyfskOMH8
It was 47 shots. ISH had a lot to say as always.
I always appreciated Kobe getting shots off without a care in the world. The man was a living legend.
r0drig0lac
03-22-2020, 04:58 PM
https://youtu.be/XVWyfskOMH8
It was 47 shots. ISH had a lot to say as always.
damn
ImKobe
03-22-2020, 05:06 PM
I always appreciated Kobe getting shots off without a care in the world. The man was a living legend.
What's he supposed to do, let Fisher or Samaki Walker shoot it instead?
FKAri
03-22-2020, 06:00 PM
What's he supposed to do, let Fisher or Samaki Walker shoot it instead?
Elevate them like L'Elevate did with Mozgov and Delly to the extent that they fooled teams into overpaying them the next season.
Turbo Slayer
03-22-2020, 06:03 PM
What's he supposed to do, let Fisher or Samaki Walker shoot it instead? :roll: What are those names? But forreal though I appreciate Kobe for how he done everything for the game. He gave us this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9NILK4OXpo
A Prime Kobe could score 100 points today (Given the right conditions and situation, obviously).
FireDavidKahn
03-22-2020, 06:09 PM
What's he supposed to do, let Fisher or Samaki Walker shoot it instead?
Literally the same issue LeHaters use to bash LeBron.
As if LeBron should have ever let the likes of Boobie Gibson or Drew Gooden get more touches then they already did.
Smoke117
03-22-2020, 11:46 PM
Kobrick has so many bad and atrocious games I don't know how anyone could decide. There's been bigger chuckers like Iverson, but nobody has ever come to the worst decision making when it mattered like Kobe did. The cat would literally rather take a forced step back prayer over 3 defenders than throw to his open teammate. The most hilarious thing about this nonsense is that his fanboys sucked him off when he was making 20% of his shots and basically said nothing while he was missing 4/5ths of the nonsense. You only have to read every Imkobe post to see how stupid the mans fans were.
brownmamba00
03-23-2020, 12:11 AM
Kobrick has so many bad and atrocious games I don't know how anyone could decide. There's been bigger chuckers like Iverson, but nobody has ever come to the worst decision making when it mattered like Kobe did. The cat would literally rather take a forced step back prayer over 3 defenders than throw to his open teammate. The most hilarious thing about this nonsense is that his fanboys sucked him off when he was making 20% of his shots and basically said nothing while he was missing 4/5ths of the nonsense. You only have to read every Imkobe post to see how stupid the mans fans were.
Oh look its the pencil neck junkie talking
Smoke117
03-23-2020, 12:33 AM
Oh look its the pencil neck junkie talking
Very clever and sharp retort. How did you manage to come up with it all on your own? :rolleyes: Honestly, the only thing I can remember about you is you've never said anything remotely intelligent as far as basketball is related.
brownmamba00
03-23-2020, 12:37 AM
Very clever and sharp retort. How did you manage to come up with it all on your own? :rolleyes: Honestly, the only thing I can remember about you is you've never said anything remotely intelligent as far as basketball is related.
my bad you're bball genius rite? :oldlol:
You keep hittin that pipe, bitch
Wally450
03-23-2020, 10:46 AM
A Prime Kobe could score 100 points today (Given the right conditions and situation, obviously).
That could be said about a lot of players today. Harden, Curry, Trae Young, Durant*, Klay...
*-Depends how Durant returns from injury.
ImKobe
03-23-2020, 10:55 AM
Literally the same issue LeHaters use to bash LeBron.
As if LeBron should have ever let the likes of Boobie Gibson or Drew Gooden get more touches then they already did.
He had more than that, but of course you're going to act like those guys were consistent 2nd/3rd options for him... they used Gibson to space the floor in the Finals and Hughes got hurt but he still had Big Z and Andy V as well but Lebron didn't have a consistent outside shot so they had to be either moved further from the basket or not given minutes at all. That's on Lebron not being a good shooter. Give Kobe Big Z and he looks like 2009 Gasol.
That could be said about a lot of players today. Harden, Curry, Trae Young, Durant*, Klay...
*-Depends how Durant returns from injury.
Or any scoring champions lmao.
FKAri
03-23-2020, 12:15 PM
He had more than that, but of course you're going to act like those guys were consistent 2nd/3rd options for him... they used Gibson to space the floor in the Finals and Hughes got hurt but he still had Big Z and Andy V as well but Lebron didn't have a consistent outside shot so they had to be either moved further from the basket or not given minutes at all. That's on Lebron not being a good shooter. Give Kobe Big Z and he looks like 2009 Gasol.
Name me a player who looked better individually with Kirby as opposed to without: No one
Same for LeDingDong (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yFfQtd-A5A)? Everyone except Chris Bosh and Kevin Love.
ImKobe
03-23-2020, 02:43 PM
Name me a player who looked better individually with Kirby as opposed to without: No one
Same for LeDingDong (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yFfQtd-A5A)? Everyone except Chris Bosh and Kevin Love.
Shaq, Pau, Odom, Bynum.
Pau went from a 1x All-Star who never won a Playoff game in Memphis to a borderline 20/10 All-NBA level player with Kobe. Bynum & Odom went from having their best individual seasons to not even being legitimate rotation players as soon as they got traded from the Lakers. Smush Parker put up decent numbers next to Kobe but he couldn't do that on any other NBA team and he was on like 4 of them.
Wade and Irving were worse with James as were Bosh & Love, because James demands the ball A LOT while Kobe can get his numbers and have as much impact without needing to dominate the ball on every possession. Kobe & Shaq worked so well because Kobe was willing to live on the perimeter and feed Shaq in the post whenever they needed him to. Old man James can shoot it but 04-12 version wouldn't have made it work with an All-Star big man that didn't have an outside shot, he needed the spacing to be effective.
It's too bad we never got to see Kobe in a Harden/Lebron/Luka-like system where he could just attack the rim over & over again with shooters spacing the floor, Kobe definitely had the passing skills to play in that type of a system.
ImKobe is a 3ball level poster.
Don’t take him seriously folks.
Kblaze8855
03-23-2020, 06:42 PM
He had more than that, but of course you're going to act like those guys were consistent 2nd/3rd options for him... they used Gibson to space the floor in the Finals and Hughes got hurt but he still had Big Z and Andy V as well but Lebron didn't have a consistent outside shot so they had to be either moved further from the basket or not given minutes at all. That's on Lebron not being a good shooter. Give Kobe Big Z and he looks like 2009 Gasol.
Big Z at the peak of his powers wasn’t nearly as good as even Bulls Gasol.
https://youtu.be/rN-vdKOp7gE
And that Pau was the age Z was when he retired.
72-10
03-26-2020, 11:10 PM
how could it not be the infamous 17-47 with like 2 assists at the Boston Garden
Mr Feeny
03-27-2020, 03:33 AM
how could it not be the infamous 17-47 with like 2 assists at the Boston Garden
Because it wasnt actually as bad as a 1-16 shooting performance.
It was just shocking because I don't remember anyone missing 30 shots in a game before. The sheer number of shots (and relatively few makes) was jarring.
ImKobe
03-27-2020, 10:02 AM
Big Z at the peak of his powers wasn’t nearly as good as even Bulls Gasol.
https://youtu.be/rN-vdKOp7gE
And that Pau was the age Z was when he retired.
We didn't see Big Z in this era of small ball. He was mostly playing in Lebron's system, where he didn't get the type of touches/minutes Pau did with Kobe, you rarely saw the Cavs run their offense through him, but he clearly had the ability that you saw in some of those seasons pre-Lebron, though they put no one around him to actually win games. He had a similar run with the Cavs pre-Lebron that Pau did with Memphis pre-Kobe. I'd say he was a better defensive player while Pau was a better all-around offensive player.
Hey Yo
03-27-2020, 11:06 AM
We didn't see Big Z in this era of small ball. He was mostly playing in Lebron's system, where he didn't get the type of touches/minutes Pau did with Kobe, you rarely saw the Cavs run their offense through him, but he clearly had the ability that you saw in some of those seasons pre-Lebron, though they put no one around him to actually win games. He had a similar run with the Cavs pre-Lebron that Pau did with Memphis pre-Kobe. I'd say he was a better defensive player while Pau was a better all-around offensive player.
:oldlol:
I'm guessing you have no idea what you're talking about.
After Z's rookie season, he played 5 games over the next 2 seasons. Missed the entire 2000 season. Then only played 24gms in 2001. The first full season he played (besides his rookie year) was 2003 and they were tanking to try to win the LeBron lottery.
It had nothing to do with Z not having talent around him and he sure as hell wasn't leading the Cavs to the playoffs like Gasol was in Memphis. My bet is that you never even saw Z play until the Cavs first game of the 2004 season.
Mr Feeny
03-27-2020, 01:13 PM
:oldlol:
I'm guessing you have no idea what you're talking about.
After Z's rookie season, he played 5 games over the next 2 seasons. Missed the entire 2000 season. Then only played 24gms in 2001. The first full season he played (besides his rookie year) was 2003 and they were tanking to try to win the LeBron lottery.
It had nothing to do with Z not having talent around him and he sure as hell wasn't leading the Cavs to the playoffs like Gasol was in Memphis. My bet is that you never even saw Z play until the Cavs first game of the 2004 season.
He probably did. You definitely didnt. Why is someone who started watching basketball in 2012 wasting our time pretending he has a clue what the Cavs teams pre-Lebron looked like?
Again, why make an effort to humiliate yourself every day on this forum?
ArbitraryWater
03-27-2020, 01:14 PM
:oldlol:
I'm guessing you have no idea what you're talking about.
After Z's rookie season, he played 5 games over the next 2 seasons. Missed the entire 2000 season. Then only played 24gms in 2001. The first full season he played (besides his rookie year) was 2003 and they were tanking to try to win the LeBron lottery.
It had nothing to do with Z not having talent around him and he sure as hell wasn't leading the Cavs to the playoffs like Gasol was in Memphis. My bet is that you never even saw Z play until the Cavs first game of the 2004 season.
Lmao.
Exposed.
ArbitraryWater
03-27-2020, 01:14 PM
He probably did. You definitely didnt. Why is someone who started watching basketball in 2012 wasting our time pretending he has a clue what the Cavs teams pre-Lebron looked like?
Again, why make an effort to humiliate yourself every day on this forum?
Why are you taking the side of someone's stance that is impossible to defend?
You are reaching new heights of stupidity ever day you click on inside-hoops, mr feeny
Mr Feeny
03-27-2020, 01:15 PM
Why are you taking the side of someone's stance that is impossible to defend?
You are reaching new heights of stupidity ever day you click on inside-hoops, mr feeny
You and simon are in a league of your own as far as stupidity goes. I wouldn't go around talking about intelligence if I were you.
Kblaze8855
03-27-2020, 08:06 PM
We didn't see Big Z in this era of small ball. He was mostly playing in Lebron's system, where he didn't get the type of touches/minutes Pau did with Kobe, you rarely saw the Cavs run their offense through him, but he clearly had the ability that you saw in some of those seasons pre-Lebron, though they put no one around him to actually win games. He had a similar run with the Cavs pre-Lebron that Pau did with Memphis pre-Kobe. I'd say he was a better defensive player while Pau was a better all-around offensive player.
I swear some of you get way too deep into this Lebron bullshit.
There isn’t a basketball person alive who puts Z on Pau Gasols level. Pau was more mobile than pre injuryZ, a better shooter, one of the best passing bigs ever, could score over both shoulders, face up and blow by smaller forwards and rebound. Z was....a good big man. Pau Gasol was someone worth talking about. Big Z wasn’t that noteworthy and nobody here gave a shit he existed. We watched those Cavs on here in 03 and talked about Ricky Davis doing a good job of being entertaining as they lost. When Kobe was demanding out the other Bulls fans and I talked about if it would be smarter to trade for Pau than Kobe since Pau wouldn’t cost the whole team to just start over looking like Orlando with Tmac.
No fan base ever got excited about Big Z. Peak Big Z is Jamal Magloire level or something similar. Antonio Davis.
At his best he couldn’t take a team from Pau and he only spent 45 minutes at his best and it was being fed the ball to help his team lose on purpose.
Big Z was pretty good. Pau was HOF level as late as his Bulls run. That isn’t a legit comparison to anyone not worried about how it reflects on a stupid Lebron argument.
Pau is one of the most skilled true bigs in history. Not all time elite. But Big Z?
Its like comparing Zo to Theo Ratliff. Both being all stars doesn’t make them close.
I swear some of you get way too deep into this Lebron bullshit.
There isn’t a basketball person alive who puts Z on Pau Gasols level. Pau was more mobile than pre injuryZ, a better shooter, one of the best passing bigs ever, could score over both shoulders, face up and blow by smaller forwards and rebound. Z was....a good big man. Pau Gasol was someone worth talking about. Big Z wasn’t that noteworthy and nobody here gave a shit he existed. We watched those Cavs on here in 03 and talked about Ricky Davis doing a good job of being entertaining as they lost. When Kobe was demanding out the other Bulls fans and I talked about if it would be smarter to trade for Pau than Kobe since Pau wouldn’t cost the whole team to just start over looking like Orlando with Tmac.
No fan base ever got excited about Big Z. Peak Big Z is Jamal Magloire level or something similar. Antonio Davis.
At his best he couldn’t take a team from Pau and he only spent 45 minutes at his best and it was being fed the ball to help his team lose on purpose.
Big Z was pretty good. Pau was HOF level as late as his Bulls run. That isn’t a legit comparison to anyone not worried about how it reflects on a stupid Lebron argument.
Pau is one of the most skilled true bigs in history. Not all time elite. But Big Z?
Its like comparing Zo to Theo Ratliff. Both being all stars doesn’t make them close.
absolutely. 100% correct. kblaze hits the nail on the head AGAIN.
z was solid to good but pau was arguably the best big-man in the league and the key piece of the best frontcourt in the league for the 2009 and 2010 championship lakers. he was their defensive anchor because he was mobile, that length alongside odom gave them a huge advantage over every team that made up for their nonexistent bench, and some.
pau is a FULL tier of player above Z. its a joke of a comparison. ilgauskas was good but he wouldnt even be able to play in todays league because he'd be run off the court - pau would dominate even harder because he was mobile AND skilled. z was only large and skilled.
Kblaze8855
03-27-2020, 08:19 PM
Really....is Z a top 3 center just among the no athleticism white euros?
Come lie to me and tell me he was more skilled then vlade:
https://youtu.be/hgHun-PwZTs
He wasn’t. So what might make him better? Athletic ability? He’s one of the few less athletic than vlade was.
How about Portland Sabonis?
Peeeeeeak Z isn’t ****ing with washed up 96-99 Sabonis really.
Someone over 30. Please come tell me why he’s better than Dino Radja on the Celtics.
Z was a solidly built capable one on one post scorer who had a soft touch and strength enough to move people for offensive rebounds.
He was good.
He was.
But he wouldn’t get either Vlade or Brad Miller benched on the Kings and Vlade was washed up by then.
Really....is Z a top 3 center just among the no athleticism white euros?
Come lie to me and tell me he was more skilled then vlade:
https://youtu.be/hgHun-PwZTs
He wasn’t. So what might make him better? Athletic ability? He’s one of the few less athletic than vlade was.
How about Portland Sabonis?
Peeeeeeak Z isn’t ****ing with washed up 96-99 Sabonis really.
Someone over 30. Please come tell me why he’s better than Dino Radja on the Celtics.
Z was a solidly built capable one on one post scorer who had a soft touch and strength enough to move people for offensive rebounds.
He was good.
He was.
But he wouldn’t get either Vlade or Brad Miller benched on the Kings and Vlade was washed up by then.
kings divac was CLEARLY better than z. Ive seen both of their primes and its not even comparable. and pau is a tier above both, I'd take pau over both in a heartbeat because pau is actually a good defensive player unlike those guys. even though he got punked by kg himself in 2008.
if lebron had gasol and odom he'd win just like he won with the heat or cavs. thats not even a debate. a frontcourt of lbj odom and gasol would be an absolute nightmare.
Yeah, pau gasol was a much better player than big z. No question about that since pau was 3rd overall when he got drafted in '01 whereas z was only 20th overall drafted five years prior to him. Not all players with higher overalls in the drafts would flourish though.
when I say defense I mean in the modern league. Vlade was great at defending centers and he went up against some of the best. now the league is perimeter oriented so its about length and lateral movement.
SouBeachTalents
03-27-2020, 08:30 PM
Blaze where you rank Gasol among the PF's of his era. Obviously, Duncan, KG, & Dirk take the top spots. Anyone else you definitely take ahead of him? Who else would you include in his tier?
Blaze where you rank Gasol among the PF's of his era. Obviously, Duncan, KG, & Dirk take the top spots. Anyone else you definitely take ahead of him? Who else would you include in his tier?
you could even rank gasol as a center because bynum was a nonfactor for those teams. odom was the powerforward.
gasol is probably the best center in the league at that time. he destroyed dwight alongside odom. not that dwight was ever a particularly skilled or impressive scorer.
FireDavidKahn
03-27-2020, 08:58 PM
:oldlol:
I'm guessing you have no idea what you're talking about.
After Z's rookie season, he played 5 games over the next 2 seasons. Missed the entire 2000 season. Then only played 24gms in 2001. The first full season he played (besides his rookie year) was 2003 and they were tanking to try to win the LeBron lottery.
It had nothing to do with Z not having talent around him and he sure as hell wasn't leading the Cavs to the playoffs like Gasol was in Memphis. My bet is that you never even saw Z play until the Cavs first game of the 2004 season.
Impressive :applause:
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