Espn ranks 16/17 Warriors as the GOAT team

[AirBonner]

Not surprising that defense and point differential was insane:biggums: imagine if MJ faced an opponent on a similar caliber. Instead he feared Hakeem which was lucky to make the post season the majority of his career


https://247sports.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/ContentGallery/ESPN-ranks-the-20-best-NBA-teams-ever-121160397/#121160397_1

[SouBeachTalents]

Here's the full list

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/13000418/where-golden-state-warriors-rank-50-greatest-nba-teams

LeBron's last 5 Finals opponents all made the top 25

All of Jordan's 6 title teams made the top 26

[Axe]

Painfully obvious. That team was very much stacked with KD there in the lineup. At least it's a relief that they weren't able to achieve a three-peat.

[Vino24]

Here's the full list

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/13000418/where-golden-state-warriors-rank-50-greatest-nba-teams

LeBron's last 5 Finals opponents all made the top 25

All of Jordan's 6 title teams made the top 26
Wow 3ball is this true?

[LAmbruh]

Lebron was dropping gm1 50 bombs while catching doubles of Durant, Iggy, Dray, Klay


MJ must have been cunning af to be past the likes of 6'3 Hornacek, only be met at the rim by 35yo Antoine Carr :oldlol:

[3ball]

Wow 3ball is this true?
Lebron allows opponents to defeat him and outrank him because his skillset (ball dominance) yields weaker teams

MJ is goat so his skillset results in the best teams ever, despite the least help

(Kareem had 9 all-star teammates = 6/9 in Finals... Lebron had 7 all-star teammates = 3/9... MJ had 1 all-star teammate = 6/6)

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron allows opponents to defeat him and outrank him because his skillset (ball dominance) yields weaker teams

MJ is goat so his skillset results in the best teams ever, despite the least help

(Kareem had 9 all-star teammates = 6/9 in Finals... Lebron had 7 all-star teammates = 3/9... MJ had 1 all-star teammate = 6/6)
Jordan had 4 all-star teammates (Pippen, Rodman, Grant, Armstrong)

[RRR3]

Jordan had 4 all-star teammates (Pippen, Rodman, Grant, Armstrong)

Also Cartwright, Gervin, Rip Hamilton, Jerry Stackhouse and Robert Parish.

[Manny98]

Currys brand of basketball produces the greatest team of all time no surprises there Curry > MJ

https://media.giphy.com/media/9xyFilmLvozMFFcZjd/giphy.gif

[Axe]

Poor mj has too many childish mudslingers.

*Throwing stones in the air. Whoever gets hit, please don't be mad.

[FromDowntown]

Here's the full list

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/13000418/where-golden-state-warriors-rank-50-greatest-nba-teams

LeBron's last 5 Finals opponents all made the top 25

All of Jordan's 6 title teams made the top 26

Mic. Drop.

Pip = Goat

[ArbitraryWater]

Pretty easy call to make, yea.

Im guessing the 18 Warriors are top 5-10, 14 Spurs and 15 Warriors top 15.

[FromDowntown]

Lebron was dropping gm1 50 bombs while catching doubles of Durant, Iggy, Dray, Klay


MJ must have been cunning af to be past the likes of 6'3 Hornacek, only be met at the rim by 35yo Antoine Carr :oldlol:

:lol Ether

[FireDavidKahn]

Here's the full list

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/13000418/where-golden-state-warriors-rank-50-greatest-nba-teams

LeBron's last 5 Finals opponents all made the top 25

All of Jordan's 6 title teams made the top 26

The cold hard reality is that LeBron has had the hardest road to championships in history and perpetually was the underdog and yet he overachieved.

[FireDavidKahn]

Lebron was dropping gm1 50 bombs while catching doubles of Durant, Iggy, Dray, Klay


MJ must have been cunning af to be past the likes of 6'3 Hornacek, only be met at the rim by 35yo Antoine Carr :oldlol:
Video proof

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqq-g9EJBSU&list=PLl7HI9rjToQ11dubksRhsU9myFeIu6POS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STr5YGeG4TA&list=PLl7HI9rjToQ11dubksRhsU9myFeIu6POS&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcktdn1WnaU&list=PLl7HI9rjToQ11dubksRhsU9myFeIu6POS&index=5

[red1]

Poor mj has too many childish mudslingers.

*Throwing stones in the air. Whoever gets hit, please don't be mad.

we're not even trolling MJ or his stans. Im not a bulls fan but I appreciate greatness and I love the 90's so I love MJ. space jam swag is still the shit.


we're just hating on 3ball who is a relentless hater. its great entertainment. :oldlol:

[FromDowntown]

The cold hard reality is that LeBron has had the hardest road to championships in history and perpetually was the underdog and yet he overachieved.


There's a reason a thread asking what is MJ's best ring has 30,000 views and 3 responses :lol

They are SHOOK

[tpols]

kawhi spurs were blowing them out before zaza.

2016 was the GOAT team. Before they lost bogut and dray, aka their o-line, they were ready to do some GOAT shit.

[Axe]

Lol 2016 was almost blown away by kd and okc before the former swallowed his own pride just to join this team.

[tpols]

*almost.

They came back with no alteration. No suspension or deviation from the head to head. No injury.

So there's no excuse.

[tpols]

btw... the dubs have made that a trademark.

They did the same thing versus houston in 2018. Down in the series. Down by double digits in elimination games getting blown out.

But they came back. and won. Heart of a champion.

[Axe]

But when they were down against houston during that year, they were only a game behind in that deficit. And they went 2-1 before the rockets won two-straight games to take a 3-2 lead, not much compared to winning three-straight games to win the series.

[SouBeachTalents]

kawhi spurs were blowing them out before zaza.

2016 was the GOAT team. Before they lost bogut and dray, aka their o-line, they were ready to do some GOAT shit.
Lmao, you gonna bring up the Zaza game and completely ignore the Warriors getting DESTROYED on several occasions in the '16 playoffs? 3 25+ point destructions way before Dray was suspended or Bogut went down

[Bronbron23]

Not surprising that defense and point differential was insane:biggums: imagine if MJ faced an opponent on a similar caliber. Instead he feared Hakeem which was lucky to make the post season the majority of his career


https://247sports.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/ContentGallery/ESPN-ranks-the-20-best-NBA-teams-ever-121160397/#121160397_1
Meanwhile a choking harden and old declining chris paul had them beat before chris paul got hurt. And you dont think mj and pip could do the same. Yall muthaf*ckas are hilarious :facepalm

[tpols]

Lmao, you gonna bring up the Zaza game and completely ignore the Warriors getting DESTROYED on several occasions in the '16 playoffs? 3 25+ point destructions way before Dray was suspended or Bogut went down


all the bad losses were against the thunder, but they were eventually figured out. And duked on, splash style. Zero alteration.

2017... the spurs legit couldve won. Im sorry but an MVP kawhi, aldridge, and the whole pop skeleton crew was deadly. They won 67 games without trying.

Durant removed klay and curry's ceilings. And Zaza / ancient david west were massive downgrades from andrew bogut.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Not surprising that defense and point differential was insane:biggums: imagine if MJ faced an opponent on a similar caliber. Instead he feared Hakeem which was lucky to make the post season the majority of his career


https://247sports.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/ContentGallery/ESPN-ranks-the-20-best-NBA-teams-ever-121160397/#121160397_1
#3rd best team ever on their list ... sophomore GOAT off a broken foot dropped 63 and averaged 43/6/6 on them

:bowdown:

[Stanley Kobrick]

*almost.

They came back with no alteration. No suspension or deviation from the head to head. No injury.

So there's no excuse.

i'd say letting Draymond sweet chin music people in the groin all series was quite a convenient alternation than most teams. all while spitting in referees faces after every whistle without consequence. 7 game tantrum because he couldn't move Adams, and Silver insured refs to swallow their whistle after Thunder went up 3-1. unfortunately the natural shooting motion bicycle kick went to bed after intentionally punching Lebron's ******* in front of 50m viewers on ABC. they already let Green and Bogut hipcheck on moving screens with impunity all year as is. i personally had fun watching steph get ragdolled by JR/Shumpert/Delly that series in particular. Cavs knew they could tussle him up with leniency after the whole world saw Greens antics go unpunished vs OKC. lol they even had his bitch boiling on twitter


https://cdn.abcotvs.com/dip/images/1389523_061616-kgo-ayesha-tweet-img.jpg

[3ball]

The goat team was almost beaten by harden

Not Shaq.. Not Bird.. Not Magic....... Harden... gtfo

[Naero]

They're definitely etched in that conversation. I just wish they were more battle-tested, because the only counterargument is their pedestrian level of competition that run.

Who was the best team they faced that year: the Kawhi-less Spurs, or the porous Cavaliers who—while an offensive juggernaut at times—had the second-worst post-ASB defense?

Part of me feels they deserve the benefit of the doubt for how convincingly they steamrolled over everyone; after all, they could only beat who was in front of them, and they did so no less dominantly than you could expect any GOAT-level team to do. The other part, however, remembers how the Spurs were drubbing them before Kawhi got Zaza'd.

Otherwise, if you're willing to overlook that (as I'm sure many are), they have an ironclad argument.

They had the GOAT shooting duo in the Splash Brothers, the DPoY, Kevin Durant playing like the BITW throughout the playoffs, and a benchful of commodity role-players. And none of that talent went untapped because they were revengefully motivated and had a Hall of Fame-bound coach to synthesize them all.

Nothing more you could ask from the GOAT team aside from what was out of their hands: better competition, so we could have more convincing benchmarks for how they'd fare in historical match-ups.

[1987_Lakers]

The goat team was almost beaten by harden

Not Shaq.. Not Bird.. Not Magic....... Harden... gtfo

The same Rockets team that lost to the Warriors the next year without KD?

[3ball]

The same Rockets team that lost to the Warriors the next year without KD?
Yup the same garbage team

They would've gotten destroyed by say, the 97' Heat, let alone MJ's better comp

Yet they basically beat the KD Warriors.. :facepalm:

Don't get me wrong - KD Warriors were great - but not goat... one of their weaknesses was their weaker physical strength/athleticism - Curry/Klay got hurt dunking the ball and kd's skinny legs broke down.. MJ/Pip/Grant would've sonned em'

They also had zero rim protection - MJ and the Bulls had their toughest series vs rim protection and packed paints.. the Warriors lack that so I see another 40 ppg like he got against the Suns.

[warriorfan]

Went to game one of the finals that year. Saw them stomp LeBron and make it look easy. Kyrie has some amazing plays as well. Worth every penny.

[3ball]

kawhi spurs were blowing them out before zaza.

2016 was the GOAT team. Before they lost bogut and dray, aka their o-line, they were ready to do some GOAT shit.
Not true

Didn't have the physical strength/athleticism to close it out and simply weren't good enough when everyone was playing their hardest - they weren't anywhere near 70-win dominant in the playoffs.. only KD made them a playoff and Finals juggernaut.. heck, Kyrie proved superior to Curry on the championship level

[1987_Lakers]

Yup the same garbage team

They would've gotten destroyed by say, the 97' Heat, let alone MJ's better comp

Yet they basically beat the KD Warriors.. :facepalm:

Don't get me wrong - KD Warriors were great - but not goat... one of their weaknesses was their weaker physical strength/athleticism - Curry/Klay got hurt dunking the ball and kd's skinny legs broke down.. MJ/Pip/Grant would've sonned em'

They also had zero rim protection - MJ and the Bulls had their toughest series vs rim protection and packed paints.. the Warriors lack that so I see another 40 ppg like he got against the Suns.
Imagine saying that a 65 win team with an all-time great offense and top 6 defense "sucks".

That Rockets team would have obliterated any of MJ's competition. That '97 Heat team only had one Hall of famer. That's what MJ went up against in the conference finals or Finals every year, one superstar with a bunch of role players.

LeBron had to go up against 2 superstars and 2 other All-Stars.

[Axe]

Imagine saying that a 65 win team with an all-time great offense and top 6 defense "sucks".

That Rockets team would have obliterated any of MJ's competition. That '97 Heat team only had one Hall of famer. That's what MJ went up against in the conference finals or Finals every year, one superstar with a bunch of role players.

LeBron had to go up against 2 superstars and 2 other All-Stars.
Rofl tbh the 2018 rockets were only a regular season titan but other than that, nothing else. I hate to admit it but that team is overrated regardless of what you're trying to point out about them. While i don't like to see the warriors winning in the west, just look at how many times they've defeated james harden and his team in the last five years. There's a reason why other speculators call him a choker in the playoffs.

[3ball]

LeBron had to go up against 2 superstars and 2 other All-Stars


.
lebron had 2 other stars and all-stars on his own team, so it evened out (big 3 vs big 3)

whereas MJ was in a Big 2 vs Big 2 format.. but surely if you gave MJ or his opponents a 3rd star like Bron had, they'd sweep any team in history





That's what MJ went up against in the conference finals or Finals every year, one superstar with a bunch of role players.



MJ swept Shaq/Penny, who are a more talented duo than Lebron ever faced

Isiah and Dumars were also superstars, and all 5 starters were 3x all stars - MJ beat these 5 all-stars with only 1 all-star teammate..

And those Heat were a 2-star team with the #1 defense - Zo and Hardaway with other guys like Mashburn and Majerle..






Imagine saying that a 65 win team with an all-time great offense and top 6 defense "sucks".


MJ won 6 rings over better teams then the rockets, yet the Warriors were taken 7 games by them

[Sarcastic]

Lebron was dropping gm1 50 bombs while catching doubles of Durant, Iggy, Dray, Klay


MJ must have been cunning af to be past the likes of 6'3 Hornacek, only be met at the rim by 35yo Antoine Carr :oldlol:

Wrong year.

[1987_Lakers]

lebron had 2 other stars and all-stars on his own team, so it evened out (big 3 vs big 3)

whereas MJ was in a Big 2 vs Big 2 format.. but surely if you gave MJ or his opponents a 3rd star like Bron had, they'd sweep any team in history



MJ swept Shaq/Penny, who are a more talented duo than Lebron ever faced

Isiah and Dumars were also superstars, and all 5 starters were 3x all stars - MJ beat these 5 all-stars with only 1 all-star teammate..

And those Heat were a 2-star team with the #1 defense - Zo and Hardaway with other guys like Mashburn and Majerle..




MJ won 6 rings over better teams then the rockets, yet the Warriors were taken 7 games by them

The Cavs were not as talented as the '17 Warriors, only a moron believes this. Vegas themselves had the Warriors as big favorites to win that series.

Dumars was a superstar? Ok, bud.

MJ swept the Magic cause Horace Grant went down with injury, we saw what happened in '95 when the Magic were fully healthy. And no, Shaq & Penny were not a better duo than Curry/Durant. As good as Penny was, he was a tier below Durant & Curry.

I can use your own dumb logic against you as well. The Bulls with MJ/Pippen/Rodman got taken to 7 games by the Pacers who were led by a 20 ppg player in Reggie Miller and a bunch of role players, can you imagine what would of happened if MJ went up against the '17 Warriors? Golden State would have swept their sorry asses.

[1987_Lakers]

Rofl tbh the 2018 rockets were only a regular season titan but other than that, nothing else. I hate to admit it but that team is overrated regardless of what you're trying to point out about them. While i don't like to see the warriors winning in the west, just look at how many times they've defeated james harden and his team in the last five years. There's a reason why other speculators call him a choker in the playoffs.

Although Harden has a history of under performing in the postseason, you can't deny the team as a whole in 2018. They were a well oiled machine in 2018, Harden winning MVP, Chris Paul was a world class 2nd option, Eric Gordon was a top tier 6th man, then you had guys like Ariza/Tucker/Capela who were versatile role players. They had a very nice mixture of superstar play, offense, shooting, 3 & D players & overall defense. Them taking the Warriors to 7 games just proves how good they were, it doesn't expose that the Warriors were some sort of flukes. Golden State made the Finals 5 straight times and won 3 titles, how many teams have done that? They proved to be an all-time great team.

[Axe]

Although Harden has a history of under performing in the postseason, you can't deny the team as a whole in 2018. They were a well oiled machine in 2018, Harden winning MVP, Chris Paul was a world class 2nd option, Eric Gordon was a top tier 6th man, then you had guys like Ariza/Tucker/Capela were perfect role players. Them taking the Warriors to 7 games just proves how good they were, it doesn't expose that the Warriors were some sort of flukes. Golden State made the Finals 5 straight times and won 3 titles, how many teams have done that? They proved to be an all-time great team.
Sure but since 2015, you can't overlook the fact that the rockets led by james harden struggled against western perennial teams like golden state or san antonio, regardless of his teammates' feats. There's even an article from reddit which shows how james harden just flops every postseason and wherein many of the games his team gets eliminated had a key player from an opposing team missing the game, like last year. Kd was out that year in game 6 of the western semifinals with his injury but the rockets weren't able to take it into a 7th game. If they were a good team, then they could have eliminated them for good but that didn't happen at all. And this is a warriors team that were riddled by various injuries to several players during that season. James harden is like a tracy mcgrady that as the main star of the rockets, can't get his team past the conference finals. Only in 2012 was the time he was able to play in the finals but that was when he was still the thunder's sixth man there, a roster with kd, westbrook, him and ibaka in the lineup.

[ArbitraryWater]

btw... the dubs have made that a trademark.

They did the same thing versus houston in 2018. Down in the series. Down by double digits in elimination games getting blown out.

But they came back. and won. Heart of a champion.

heart of a champion, getting blown out relying on no-calls while bell fouls the shit out of harden and sets illegal screens?

where was this heart of a champ in the close g4+5 losses with paul lol.

Curry nowhere to be found. Nor KD.

they lucked out.

stop playing around that, thats too dumb for you.

[superduper]

Oh look yet another thread where these women-like Bran stans are screaming their insecurities at the top of their lungs :oldlol:

LOOK AT MY BRAN!! :cry: :mad:

[SouBeachTalents]

Oh look yet another thread where these women-like Bran stans are screaming their insecurities at the top of their lungs :oldlol:

LOOK AT MY BRAN!! :cry: :mad:
Yet this is easily the most feminine post in the whole thread

[AlternativeAcc.]

kawhi spurs were blowing them out before zaza.

2016 was the GOAT team. Before they lost bogut and dray, aka their o-line, they were ready to do some GOAT shit.
Someone ban this guy holy shit

[ArbitraryWater]

Yet this is easily the most feminine post in the whole thread

lmao

does he not notice? dude is super emotional

[Mr Feeny]

The list is about right. I'd put the Bulls just ahead but there isnt much in it. The late 80s lakers and Celtics are just below the two greatest teams ever. The 92 bulls is about right. Atleast top 6. The sixers teams and the bucks team that won 33 straight are all great.

It's sad that no modern team besides the Warriors are near the top. The 2014 spurs are the only non-Warrior team post-Game in the top 15 and they are exactly there, at 15.

Having said that, its about right. The 2014 spurs with the 38 year old Duncan and the 2015 untested Warriors would have curbstomped the 3 peat lakers.

[Mr Feeny]

I would have liked to see the 2012 heat a little higher. By 2014 the heat were on the last legs. In my opinion, the 2012 iteration Heat are the best non warrior team over the last 22 years.

[SouBeachTalents]

I would have liked to see the 2012 heat a little higher. By 2014 the heat were on the last legs. In my opinion, the 2012 iteration Heat are the best non warrior team over the last 22 years.
You got them over the '01 Lakers?

[Whoah10115]

I don't know if the Warriors are #1, but the top 5-7 or so are good. Not sure on rest.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You got them over the '01 Lakers?

Definitely underrated.

That's peak Shaq and prime Kobe who went thru the Blazers, Kings and Spurs. Like butter.

Muthafukkaz went 15-1, and people here acting like they got amnesia.

[Mr Feeny]

You got them over the '01 Lakers?

It would depend on how they matchup. Shaq would he a problem because nobody on the heat could stop him but Wade would shut down Kobe and Lebron would have a field day.

Shaq's advtanage at the centre position is a problem for the heat but that heat team would defend him the same was the 96 Bulls did. They would block entry passes and front him. All those Miami guys were athletic and mobile. It would be energy consuming, as it was for Jordan, Pippe, and Harper, but the perimeter players from that heat team wouldn't make it easy on Shaq. They would collapse everytime he got the ball. He wouldn't get the 1 on 1 matchup that he'd want.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

It would depend on how they matchup. Shaq would he a problem because nobody on the heat could stop him but Wade would shut down Kobe and Lebron would have a field day.

Shaq's advtanage at the centre position is a problem for the heat but that heat team would defend him the same was the 96 Bulls did. They would block entry passes and front him. All those Miami guys were athletic and mobile. It would be energy consuming, as it was for Jordan, Pippe, and Harper, but the perimeter players from that heat team wouldn't make it easy on Shaq. They would collapse everytime he got the ball. He wouldn't get the 1 on 1 matchup that he'd want.

2009 and 2010 Wade couldn't stop a less athletic Kobe. So no, that version of Wade definitely isn't shutting him down.

This clown literally said "shut down" :oldlol:

We're talking about the 2nd greatest two-guard ever, you dunce.

[Mr Feeny]

2009 and 2010 Wade couldn't stop a less athletic Kobe. So no, that version of Wade definitely isn't shutting him down.

This clown literally said "shut down" :oldlol:

We're talking about the 2nd greatest two-guard ever, you dunce.

What on earth are you crying about? The heat never reached the finals in 2010.

Crying and throwing your toys out of the pram doesnt mean you're making a point.

I educated you once about the fact that Lebron was a top 5 player when you repeatedly pulled off your usual meltdowns with insults and emojis, swearing up and down that I didnt know what I was talking about. Now pipe down and shut up.

[Whoah10115]

^^ cringeworthy

[1987_Lakers]

It would depend on how they matchup. Shaq would he a problem because nobody on the heat could stop him but Wade would shut down Kobe and Lebron would have a field day.

Shaq's advtanage at the centre position is a problem for the heat but that heat team would defend him the same was the 96 Bulls did. They would block entry passes and front him. All those Miami guys were athletic and mobile. It would be energy consuming, as it was for Jordan, Pippe, and Harper, but the perimeter players from that heat team wouldn't make it easy on Shaq. They would collapse everytime he got the ball. He wouldn't get the 1 on 1 matchup that he'd want.

Huh?

[3ball]

Only the taller defenders bothered Kobe - shorter guys couldn't sustain anything against him.

And the Heat version of Lebron would be intimidated by the veteran 01/02 Lakers.. People forget that Heat-Lebron needed 16' to boost his legacy and was still barely a winner - he barely won in 2013, and was lucky to face the only opponent that had an inferior brand of ball in 12', aka a puppy thunder team.. he infact mostly choked in Miami (2011, 2014, first 6 games of 2013)

Btw, we know the KD-less Warriors weren't that strong because they needed a last resort to beat the 1-man Cavs in 15' (they resorted to a 8 ppg guy off their bench - that's a 'last resort' type of victory and signals that anything would've tilted it in the Cavs' favor.

[DoctorP]

Heat-Lebron would be intimidated by the veteran 01/02 Lakers.. People forget that Heat-Lebron needed 16' to boost his legacy and was still barely a winner - he barely won in 2013, and was lucky to face the only opponent that had an inferior brand of ball in 12', aka a puppy thunder team.. he infact mostly choked in Miami (2011, 2014, first 6 games of 2013)


Btw, we know the KD-less Warriors weren't that strong because they needed a last resort to beat the 1-man Cavs in 15' (they resorted to a 8 ppg guy off their bench - that's a last resort type of victory and signals that anything would've tilted it in the Cavs' favor.

3ball who is your top 10?

[1987_Lakers]

Heat-Lebron would be intimidated by the veteran 01/02 Lakers.. People forget that Heat-Lebron needed 16' to boost his legacy and was still barely a winner - he barely won in 2013, and was lucky to face the only opponent that had an inferior brand of ball in 12', aka a puppy thunder team.. he infact mostly choked in Miami (2011, 2014, first 6 games of 2013)

Btw, we know the KD-less Warriors weren't that strong because they needed a last resort to beat the 1-man Cavs in 15' (they resorted to a 8 ppg guy off their bench - that's a last resort type of victory and signals that anything would've tilted it in the Cavs' favor.

Just shows you how good LeBron is. In 2015, he won 2 games with a bum supporting cast vs a 67 win team, the next year he defeated a 73 win team in the Finals and having an all-time great series in the process. That speaks to how good LeBron is, truly the GOAT.

[Vino24]

Only the taller defenders bothered Kobe - shorter guys couldn't sustain anything against him.

And the Heat version of Lebron would be intimidated by the veteran 01/02 Lakers.. People forget that Heat-Lebron needed 16' to boost his legacy and was still barely a winner - he barely won in 2013, and was lucky to face the only opponent that had an inferior brand of ball in 12', aka a puppy thunder team.. he infact mostly choked in Miami (2011, 2014, first 6 games of 2013)

Btw, we know the KD-less Warriors weren't that strong because they needed a last resort to beat the 1-man Cavs in 15' (they resorted to a 8 ppg guy off their bench - that's a 'last resort' type of victory and signals that anything would've tilted it in the Cavs' favor.
LeBron 16-6 vs Kobe. Yet you think he was intimidated? I used actual facts

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What on earth are you crying about? The heat never reached the finals in 2010.

Read my post again, neckbeard. Nobody is saying the Heat made the finals in 2010. The point was a better version of Wade couldn't stop an older Kobe. So why would a worse version "shut down" an atheltic Kobe?


Crying and throwing your toys out of the pram doesnt mean you're making a point.

You don't have a point, dick breath. Type with purpose and back your claims up.


educated you once about the fact that Lebron was a top 5 player when you repeatedly pulled off your usual meltdowns with insults and emojis, swearing up and down that I didnt know what I was talking about. Now pipe down and shut up.

Lebron has nothing to do with what I posted. Learn to read. While you're at it, try explaing how a worse version of Wade "shuts down" an athletic Kobe.

[SamuraiSWISH]

It's pretty accurate.

I'd roll with:

1) 1996 Bulls
2) 2017 Warriors
3) 1986 Celtics
4) 1987 Lakers
5) 1967 Sixers

For the top 5

[3ball]

3ball who is your top 10?
MJ
Bird
Wilt
Kareem
Kobe
Shaq
Duncan
Russell
Hakeem
Magic
Lebron
Durant



That's a quick back-of-the-envelope top 12 or 13

Considered putting Hakeem below the ball-dominators (that need a ton help), but decided against it

[1987_Lakers]

It's pretty accurate.

I'd roll with:

1) 1996 Bulls
2) 2017 Warriors
3) 1986 Celtics
4) 1987 Lakers
5) 1967 Sixers

For the top 5

1. '17 Warriors
2. '86 Celtics
3. '96 Bulls
4. '87 Lakers
5. '01 Lakers

Teams like the '83 Sixers, '89 Pistons, '08 Celtics, '13 Heat & '14 Spurs finish the top 10, in no order.

I'm not gonna bother putting teams like the '65 Celtics, '67 Sixers, '71 Bucks, or '72 Lakers on the list, they were great for their time, but they wouldn't stand a chance vs the modern day great teams.

[SouBeachTalents]

1. '17 Warriors
2. '86 Celtics
3. '96 Bulls
4. '87 Lakers
5. '01 Lakers

Teams like the '83 Sixers, '89 Pistons, '08 Celtics, '13 Heat & '14 Spurs finish the top 10, in no order.

I'm not gonna bother putting teams like the '65 Celtics, '67 Sixers, '71 Bucks, or '72 Lakers on the list, they were great for their time, but they wouldn't stand a chance vs the modern day great teams.
Those teams looked WAY too vulnerable in the playoffs for my liking. Two of the more unimpressive playoff runs for a title team that I've seen

[Phoenix]

Those teams looked WAY too vulnerable in the playoffs for my liking. Two of the more unimpressive playoff runs for a title team that I've seen

The Celtics that playoff really seemed to play to their competition. They beat the Lakers and Pistons comfortably in 6 games, and those were the two best teams they faced, but needed 7 to get past the Cavs even with Lebron struggling most of the series until that great game 7, and the 37 win Hawks.

[FromDowntown]

Yet this is easily the most feminine post in the whole thread

:lol

[andgar923]

That Warriors team wouldn't be able to stop Luc Longley, this is a joke.

[Vino24]

That Warriors team wouldn't be able to stop Luc Longley, this is a joke.

True. The Warriors would really be worried about Longley dropping 10pts on them

[Manny98]

That Warriors team wouldn't be able to stop Luc Longley, this is a joke.
:roll::roll:

[talkingconch]

Here's the full list

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/13000418/where-golden-state-warriors-rank-50-greatest-nba-teams

LeBron's last 5 Finals opponents all made the top 25

All of Jordan's 6 title teams made the top 26

Unfortunately the teams he faced leading up the finals were....lol..is someone gonna tell him?

[3ball]

LeBron's last 5 Finals opponents all made the top 25

All of Jordan's 6 title teams made the top 26



So Lebron's cp3-like ball-dominant teams aren't as good as Jordan's Warriors/Spurs-like ball movement systems?

Go figure

It's lebron's fault that his 7 all-star teammates won half the rings as MJ's 1 all-star teammates

[FromDowntown]

If MJ faced a top team would he win?

[3ball]

If MJ faced a top team would he win?
MJ was unbeatable with 1 all-star teammate so he'd virtually never lose with 7 like lebron had

[1987_Lakers]

MJ was unbeatable with 1 all-star teammate so he'd virtually never lose with 7 like lebron had

He lost in '95 with an All-NBA 1st Team teammate.

[3ball]

He lost in '95 with an All-NBA 1st Team teammate.
How many times did he lose with an all-star teammate when he played a full season?

Only 1990, when Pippen famously disappeared in Game 7

Otherwise, MJ never lost when he played and had an all-star.. he's also the only top 20 player to never lose with a 1 or 2 seed : Russell lost twice, Kareem lost 6 times, Lebron 5, etc, etc)

MJ simply won the most (6-0 with 1 or 2 seed, 6/6 in Finals), with the least help (only 1 all-star)

That's the kind of cold, hard proof that only the goat has

[red1]

So Lebron's cp3-like ball-dominant teams aren't as good as Jordan's Warriors/Spurs-like ball movement systems?

Go figure

It's lebron's fault that his 7 all-star teammates won half the rings as MJ's 1 all-star teammates

dude. jordan's team won 55 games the season he left. lead by scottie "tree-trunk" pippen. :oldlol:


mj is 1-9 in the playoffs before drafting scottie "tree-trunk" pippen, so for all we know he'd be ringless playing with 7 other allstars. :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

How many times did he lose with an all-star teammate when he played a full season?

Only 1990, when Pippen famously disappeared in Game 7

Otherwise, MJ never lost when he played and had an all-star.. he's also the only top 20 player to never lose with a 1 or 2 seed : Russell lost twice, Kareem lost 6 times, Lebron 5, etc, etc)

MJ simply won the most (6-0 with 1 or 2 seed, 6/6 in Finals), with the least help (only 1 all-star)

That's the kind of cold, hard proof that only the goat has
He lost in 1990

[1987_Lakers]

How many times did he lose with an all-star teammate when he played a full season?

Who cares if he didn't play a full season? MJ in '95 still averaged 31/7/4/3/2 on 48% shooting vs Orlando and still lost. He shot better vs Orlando than he did in each of his Finals from '96-'98.

It was a choke by MJ that cost them the Orlando series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b58glke4ZIQ

MJ stans always try to make it seem like 1995 never happened, but it did.

[3ball]

Who cares if he didn't play a full season? MJ in '95 still averaged 31/7/4/3/2 on 48% shooting vs Orlando and still lost. He shot better vs Orlando than he did in each of his Finals from '96-'98.

It was a choke by MJ that cost them the Orlando series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b58glke4ZIQ

MJ stans always try to make it seem like 1995 never happened, but it did.
MJ's advanced stats in 1995 = Wizards MJ

All 31 ppg aren't the same

He didn't command any authority over defenses in 1995 like he did in years where he wasn't a 2-sport athlete

So he couldn't wear down defenses and even BEGIN to win the attrition battle.. it wasn't as bad as lebron in the 14' Finals but Orlando controlled the bulls because the bulls couldn't get off and wear down Orlando.. it was Orlando that put the bulls on their heels

[1987_Lakers]

MJ's advanced Finals stats in '96-'98 = Wizards Jordan

Once again proving that LeBron is the GOAT finals performer.

[Axe]

So he simply wasn't maximizing his play in his last 3 finals from those years and yet, he and his team were still able to win those titles? 🤔

[SouBeachTalents]

Who cares if he didn't play a full season? MJ in '95 still averaged 31/7/4/3/2 on 48% shooting vs Orlando and still lost. He shot better vs Orlando than he did in each of his Finals from '96-'98.

It was a choke by MJ that cost them the Orlando series.

MJ stans always try to make it seem like 1995 never happened, but it did.
Game 1 gets all the attention but the Bulls choked badly in Game 6


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OYQCWoj8aE&t=6151s

They had an 8 point lead with under 3 minutes to go and they blew it

[3ball]

Game 1 gets all the attention but the Bulls choked badly in Game 6


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OYQCWoj8aE&t=6151s

They had an 8 point lead with under 3 minutes to go and they blew it
It took mj being a 2-sport, unpracticed athlete to beat him, and his sidekick wetting the bed

[red1]

It took mj being a 2-sport, unpracticed athlete to beat him, and his sidekick wetting the bed

hey hey hey - show some respect 3balll. you cant just trash every player ever.



Game 1 gets all the attention but the Bulls choked badly in Game 6


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OYQCWoj8aE&t=6151s

They had an 8 point lead with under 3 minutes to go and they blew it

:roll:

[3ball]

hey hey hey - show some respect 3balll. you cant just trash every player ever.




:roll:
Pippen is always there to be knocked because chances are, he sucked

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Mike had a few uncharacteristic turnovers in that Orlando series. Maybe his timing was off. Don't know. For the most part though, he was the same dude from 1996-1998.

He wasn't first 3-peat Jordan BUT still the best player. To be honest, the problem Chicago had was with rebounding. No Rodman and obviously no Horace Grant who was with Orlando.

[red1]

Pippen is always there to be knocked because chances are, he sucked

no man. thats very inconsiderate. there are other guys that could've used a pippen-tier player. Im sure kobe would've gone 6-6 in mj's shoes.



maybe not 6-6 guaranteed but probably at least 5-6.

[sdot_thadon]

Here's the full list

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/13000418/where-golden-state-warriors-rank-50-greatest-nba-teams

LeBron's last 5 Finals opponents all made the top 25

All of Jordan's 6 title teams made the top 26

wow.

[Mr Feeny]

Read my post again, neckbeard. Nobody is saying the Heat made the finals in 2010. The point was a better version of Wade couldn't stop an older Kobe. So why would a worse version "shut down" an atheltic Kobe?



You don't have a point, dick breath. Type with purpose and back your claims up.



Lebron has nothing to do with what I posted. Learn to read. While you're at it, try explaing how a worse version of Wade "shuts down" an athletic Kobe.

Throwing insults around doesnt lend credence to any of your drivel.

Eric snow shut down 2001 Kobe. The thought of Dwyane Wade (a player with a much higher peak than Kobe) struggling to do with Eric Anow and Austin croshere did is laughable.

Wade would shut him down. Assuming - for some reason - Wade struggled, lebron would badly man handle Kobe as he always did in their h2hs.

The 2001 Lakers are right where they belong, about 17th all time.
They would get ragdolled by any team above them in that list because Shaq won't be able to best them single handidly.

[Mr Feeny]

1. '17 Warriors
2. '86 Celtics
3. '96 Bulls
4. '87 Lakers
5. '01 Lakers

Teams like the '83 Sixers, '89 Pistons, '08 Celtics, '13 Heat & '14 Spurs finish the top 10, in no order.

I'm not gonna bother putting teams like the '65 Celtics, '67 Sixers, '71 Bucks, or '72 Lakers on the list, they were great for their time, but they wouldn't stand a chance vs the modern day great teams.


The 2001 lakers are 17th at best. And that's being kind to them.
Lebron's heat in 2012 would have dismantled them as would any team ranked in the top 16 on that list.

Just because that's the team you watched as a 6 year old, it doesnt mean they belong anywhere close to the top 10, nevermind top 5.

[86Celtics]

MJ's advanced Finals stats in '96-'98 = Wizards Jordan

Once again proving that LeBron is the GOAT finals performer.

Says you. Facts and reality say otherwise.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Throwing insults around doesnt lend credence to any of your drivel.

Eric snow shut down 2001 Kobe. The thought of Dwyane Wade (a player with a much higher peak than Kobe) struggling to do with Eric Anow and Austin croshere did is laughable.

Eric Snow didn't shut anyone down dumbfukk. He came off the bench, switching with Aaron Mckie and Raja Bell. Kobe averaged 26/7/6 on 42% shooting btw. That's being limited and contained. Not shut down.


Wade would shut him down. Assuming - for some reason - Wade struggled, lebron would badly man handle Kobe as he always did in their h2hs.

This isn't fantasy land. There isn't any evidence to support them "shutting down" Kobe either. Support your claims.


The 2001 Lakers are right where they belong, about 17th all time.
They would get ragdolled by any team above them in that list because Shaq won't be able to best them single handidly.

Single handidly?

Kobe averaged 29/7/6 on 47% shooting in the playoffs. Played good defense too. You're an idiot and in over your head.

[SamuraiSWISH]

1. '17 Warriors
2. '86 Celtics
3. '96 Bulls
4. '87 Lakers
5. '01 Lakers

Teams like the '83 Sixers, '89 Pistons, '08 Celtics, '13 Heat & '14 Spurs finish the top 10, in no order.

I'm not gonna bother putting teams like the '65 Celtics, '67 Sixers, '71 Bucks, or '72 Lakers on the list, they were great for their time, but they wouldn't stand a chance vs the modern day great teams.

Nah I can't have 2001 Lakers in there. It would be exclusively for their playoff performance. And then facing one of the weakest Finals opponents I've ever seen.

Otherwise I would have to throw the 91 Bulls, 92 Bulls, 93 Bulls, and 97 Bulls into the mix. Either due to their absurd regular seasons 67 wins (92) or 69 wins (97) with playoff domination. 91 Bulls curb stomped the playoffs much like the 01 Lakers in only losing 1 more game, which very easily could've won had MJ's game winner not rimmed out vs the Lakers. So, it's splitting hairs.

IMO the 93 Bulls team is possibly the best version, but they coasted or were cashed in the regular season. But they beat 2 60+ win teams that were the best teams on offense, and defense. Showing an ability to adapt to ANY style and still win. Also came back from a 2-0 deficit in a conference finals.

[1987_Lakers]

The 2001 lakers are 17th at best. And that's being kind to them.
Lebron's heat in 2012 would have dismantled them as would any team ranked in the top 16 on that list.

Just because that's the team you watched as a 6 year old, it doesnt mean they belong anywhere close to the top 10, nevermind top 5.

Tell us again how 2012 Wade shuts down '01 Kobe. :roll:

[1987_Lakers]

Nah I can't have 2001 Lakers in there. It would be exclusively for their playoff performance. And then facing one of the weakest Finals opponents I've ever seen.

Otherwise I would have to throw the 91 Bulls, 92 Bulls, 93 Bulls, and 97 Bulls into the mix. Either due to their absurd regular seasons 67 wins (92) or 69 wins (97) with playoff domination. 91 Bulls curb stomped the playoffs much like the 01 Lakers in only losing 1 more game, which very easily could've won had MJ's game winner not rimmed out vs the Lakers. So, it's splitting hairs.

IMO the 93 Bulls team is possibly the best version, but they coasted or were cashed in the regular season. But they beat 2 60+ win teams that were the best teams on offense, and defense. Showing an ability to adapt to ANY style and still win. Also came back from a 2-0 deficit in a conference finals.

Well, the Lakers did win 67 games the year before, and 3 straight titles with pretty much the same cast. Their postseason dominance in '01 is hard to ignore, they dominated some pretty good teams before they even reached the Finals. the '01 WCF was a massacre, swept the Spurs with a 22 point differential. Popovich and Duncan have ever been embarrassed like that before.

Nobody touches Shaq and Kobe as a duo in 2001.

[andgar923]

That Warriors team wouldn't be able to stop Luc Longley, this is a joke.

Honest question.

Who guards Luc?

You don't think that the Bulls would just feed him the ball time and time again? Not saying he's gonna be Shaq out there but he's gonna be enough of a weapon and difference maker that it throws the Warriors in all sorts of issues.

Luc is gonna get at least avg 15pts 4 assists 2 offensive boards due to his size. Those 15 may not seem like a whole lot, but the attention that he'd bring will give everyone else open looks and one on one matchups.

And that's not even getting into Bill Wennigton. He could play in the post and stretch the defence with his outside shot just like Luc, but was more agile and athletic. Warriors aint stopping that shit.

[tpols]

Tell us again how 2012 Wade shuts down '01 Kobe. :roll:

2012 heat barely beat indiana and retirement celtics.

beating '01 Lakers??

:biggums:

ban that mother ****er.

[LostCause]

Honest question.

Who guards Luc?

You don't think that the Bulls would just feed him the ball time and time again? Not saying he's gonna be Shaq out there but he's gonna be enough of a weapon and difference maker that it throws the Warriors in all sorts of issues.

Luc is gonna get at least avg 15pts 4 assists 2 offensive boards due to his size. Those 15 may not seem like a whole lot, but the attention that he'd bring will give everyone else open looks and one on one matchups.

And that's not even getting into Bill Wennigton. He could play in the post and stretch the defence with his outside shot just like Luc, but was more agile and athletic. Warriors aint stopping that shit.

I feel like I’m missing something

Is this trolling or serious?

[Smoke117]

2012 heat barely beat indiana and retirement celtics.

beating '01 Lakers??

:biggums:

ban that mother ****er.

Bosh played 1 game in the pacers series and 3 games in the Celtics series. Let's not act like they were at full strength.

[tpols]

Bosh played 1 game in the pacers series and 3 games in the Celtics series. Let's not act like they were at full strength.

that's... even more reason to not have that years version of them as a GOAT team. On that note, they never had a year they were, despite the enormous talent.

Please use whats left of your noggin sm0ke.

Not only was LA way better, they present enormous mismatch to the Heats personel.

[FireDavidKahn]

LeBron has had the hardest road.

[3ball]

.
The stat pros determined that the 11' Heat and 15' Cavs had the most on-paper talent since 1980, up until the 17' Warriors:



https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-15-2019/hYQBCO.gif


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/superteams-like-the-warriors-usually-underperform-will-the-kevin-durant-era-be-different/


So the "comp" argument is bogus when everyone knows that Lebron's teams had the most talent in the league, aka "not 6, not 7"

[3ball]

LeBron has had the hardest road.
Landing on teams favored to win it all in Year 1 of existence is literally the easiest path and lebron did it twice (11' and 15'), and then had a 3rd Vegas favorite in Year 2 of LA

Only Lebron got the easiest path 3 times (landing on a Year 1 league favorite)

Landing on the league favorite is far easier than building favorite status through years of development

People forget the 15' Cavs were the pre-season and pre-playoffs favorite before Kyrie's injury, and were considered by the stat pros to be the best collection of talent in 30 years (see previous post)

[andgar923]

I feel like I’m missing something

Is this trolling or serious?

Serious.

Who's gonna guard Luc? He went up against Ewing, Smits, Zo, Mutombo, the Davis, etc. who in the Warriors is gonna check him? Give him today's open lanes and he's getting 15. Smaller players, weaker rules, open lanes will make it easier for him to score.

Again, he's not playing in the congested and physical era. He's not going up against bigger, tougher, taller players like he did back then.

Again, simple question... who's guarding him?

This is a sample of what he'd do in today's era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_byN6vF-Gfw

Open lanes and smaller player checking him will give him freedom, specially vs non-physical players.

[1987_Lakers]

Serious.

Who's gonna guard Luc? He went up against Ewing, Smits, Zo, Mutombo, the Davis, etc. who in the Warriors is gonna check him? Give him today's open lanes and he's getting 15. Smaller players, weaker rules, open lanes will make it easier for him to score.

Again, he's not playing in the congested and physical era. He's not going up against bigger, tougher, taller players like he did back then.

Again, simple question... who's guarding him?

This is a sample of what he'd do in today's era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_byN6vF-Gfw

Open lanes and smaller player checking him will give him freedom, specially vs non-physical players.

Wow, you are actually serious.

[red1]

.
The stat pros determined that the 11' Heat and 15' Cavs had the most on-paper talent since 1980, up until the 17' Warriors:



https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-15-2019/hYQBCO.gif


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/superteams-like-the-warriors-usually-underperform-will-the-kevin-durant-era-be-different/


So the "comp" argument is bogus when everyone knows that Lebron's teams had the most talent in the league, aka "not 6, not 7"

you really just use 2015 as an example? dellavedova as the second option? :oldlol:


who gives a **** about preseason stats you moron. :oldlol:

[3ball]

you really just use 2015 as an example? dellavedova as the second option? :oldlol:


who gives a **** about preseason stats you moron. :oldlol:
If they were the favorite on-paper prior to Kyrie's injury, then why were they underdogs the next year in 2016 when Kyrie was healthy?..

it's because they only won 57 games, and failed flirt with 70 wins like Kawhi and Curry.. this made them underdogs when their on-paper to talent was infact originally favored and goat, according to the stat pros.

[tpols]

you really just use 2015 as an example? dellavedova as the second option? :oldlol:


who gives a **** about preseason stats you moron. :oldlol:


Why didnt the cavs blossom into a warriors like dynasty over the years if their talent threshold was so high?

they barely won one ring.

[red1]

If they were the favorite on-paper prior to Kyrie's injury, then why were they underdogs the next year in 2016 when Kyrie was healthy?..

it's because they only won 57 games, and failed flirt with 70 wins like Kawhi and Curry.. this made them underdogs when their on-paper to talent was infact originally favored and goat, according to the stat pros.

dude you nitpick and make every single excuse and give zero credit. if we were to scrutinize mj the way you tried - and absolutely failed, HA - to scrutinize lbj, if we scrutinze mj's career that way then it suddenly loses a lot of the sheen.

mj didnt win a single thing without the bulls stacked system. he didnt win a single thing without pippen.

mj's team won 55 games the season after he left.

mj never faced NEARLY the competition that lebron faced.

[red1]

Why didnt the cavs blossom into a warriors like dynasty over the years if their talent threshold was so high?

they barely won one ring.

thats a very, very, easy question to answer.

lebron and kyrie only played together 3 years.

first year - they made it to the finals where kyrie went down. kyrie is very fragile.
second year - championship.
third year - they played the most stacked team of all time.



lebron and kyrie duo absolutely has the talent to turn into a dynasty - if kyrie doesnt get injured and kd doesnt join a 73-win team, aka the most stacked team of all-time.


lebron and kyrie would beat every single one of jordan's finals opponents. :oldlol:

[tpols]

yea they only played for 3 years because kyrie got sick of it and left. :lol

Love developed (documented) severe depression playing in Cleveland.

They didn't have the comraderie or teamwork of the dubs.

[red1]

yea they only played for 3 years because kyrie got sick of it and left. :lol

Love developed (documented) severe depression playing in Cleveland.

They didn't have the comraderie or teamwork of the dubs.

hey man you arent making a strong case because those guys havent done shit without the king. :oldlol:


lebron made them both champions. :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

yea they only played for 3 years because kyrie got sick of it and left. :lol

Love developed (documented) severe depression playing in Cleveland.

They didn't have the comraderie or teamwork of the dubs.
And Kyrie has fcking flourished since leaving :oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

And Kyrie has fcking flourished since leaving :oldlol:

He actually has ... and has been amazing beyond his injuries. Which he’s prone to having, but yea. Only LeBron Stans perpetuate that myth and hate for Kyrie.

[red1]

He actually has ... and has been amazing beyond his injuries.

hence the problem...

[SouBeachTalents]

He actually has ... and has been amazing beyond his injuries.
All he's been is injured. The one playoffs he's managed to play he was fcking horrendous against the Bucks

[Stanley Kobrick]

Love developed (documented) severe depression playing in Cleveland.



that's not true, why lie?



“I was taught to not show any weakness,” Love said. “My dad said, ‘Don’t cry,’ because he was from an era where they don’t do that. And his father before him never talked about anything. Whereas my mother was very affectionate, always communicated with with my sister, who learned how to express herself. But, as a boy I just had a short fuse, I didn’t know how to cope, and as I got into my young adulthood, that became anxiety.”


his lifelong battle is literally plastered all over the players tribune

[red1]

He actually has ... and has been amazing beyond his injuries. Which he’s prone to having, but yea. Only LeBron Stans perpetuate that myth and hate for Kyrie.

you edited that in after - I actually dont hate kyrie I love him because he shut all of the lebron haters down. lebron and kyrie is a proven chamionship duo.


there's just no denying that he's fragile. otherwise they'd have grabbed two rings together and by then it wouldnt matter if the warriors stacked the deck, they'd already have done their damage.

[Axe]

yea they only played for 3 years because kyrie got sick of it and left. :lol

Love developed (documented) severe depression playing in Cleveland.

They didn't have the comraderie or teamwork of the dubs.
And they have a poor, dysfunctional head coach who's incompetent as well. Glad the team had to fire him right away after just how many games into the 2018-19 season.

[LAmbruh]

hence the problem...

yep :lol even 2016 championship run Kyrie's brittle body missed 1/3 season


Nets, Celtics both still FLOURISHING without him, as were the Cavs in 2018

[SouBeachTalents]

you edited that in after - I actually dont hate kyrie I love him because he shut all of the lebron haters down. lebron and kyrie is a proven chamionship duo.


there's just no denying that he's fragile. otherwise they'd have grabbed two rings together and by then it wouldnt matter if the warriors stacked the deck, they'd already have done their damage.
He's actually playing it off like only LeBron stans could see Kyrie fail to stay healthy, burn bridges in Boston, and completely bomb in the playoffs and think that he hasn't been flourishing, or in his terms, been "amazing" :oldlol:

To act like Kyrie hasn't been a disappointment since Cleveland, and wasn't a complete failure in Boston is preposterous

[tpols]

And they have a poor, dysfunctional head coach who's incompetent as well. Glad the team had to fire him right away after just how many games into the 2018-19 season.


They started with the euroleague COTY.

Who ran a high level, ball movement based princeton offense.


For now, the players seem excited to run a blend of the Princeton offense with Euro*pean principles. While no one has defined exactly what it will look like, it seems apparent it will be far different than the standard pick-and-roll offenses typically seen around the NBA.

“It’s very free flowing,” said LeBron James, who admitted he hasn’t played in an offense like this yet in his NBA career. “It’s going to be challenging for the guys. I can see it. Guys are thinking through it a little too much. But when we get it, there are so many different options. There’s a counter to everything a defense can do.”

Blatt has always been linked to the Princeton offense because he played there under legendary coach Pete Carril, the inventor of the system. But James remembers facing the old Washington Wizards teams coached by Eddie Jordan, which ran the Princeton, and sees discrepancies between the two systems.

“There’s a lot more options to this than I’m used to seeing in the actions Eddie Jordan used,” James said.

Lebron nixed that for the classic AAU PnR brand and got him canned. The sad thing is he had the 2015 Cavs in the game with lebron minus kyrie and love.

He was an infinitely better coach than brother Lue.

[red1]

He's actually playing it off like only LeBron stans could see Kyrie fail to stay healthy, burn bridges in Boston, and completely bomb in the playoffs and think that he hasn't been flourishing, or in his terms, been "amazing"

To act like Kyrie hasn't been a disappointment since Cleveland, and wasn't a complete failure in Boston is preposterous

yup. bronball unlocked kyrie and revealed his potential hidden under the flat earth insanity. kyrie is an absolute monster some of the nicest handles and finishing and shotmaking in one package you will ever find - but he wasnt the heart and soul of that team.


this guy was.


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/UncomfortableFortunateBrahmancow-size_restricted.gif
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a6/a7/24/a6a724a6a58dec152c4295887b9e9601.gif
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dd/28/88/dd28881aef55bf98e88e149d8dcec999.gif

[LAmbruh]

They started with the euroleague COTY.

Who ran a high level, ball movement based princeton offense.



Lebron nixed that for the classic AAU PnR brand and got him canned. The sad thing is he had the 2015 Cavs in the game with lebron minus kyrie and love.

He was an infinitely better coach than brother Lue.

Crazy how this mastermind David Blatt was never again offered another NBA gig and back doing Turkey league ball

OTOH, Lue is still in the league yet demoted to assistant :lol

[Axe]

They started with the euroleague COTY.

Who ran a high level, ball movement based princeton offense.



Lebron nixed that for the classic AAU PnR brand and got him canned. The sad thing is he had the 2015 Cavs in the game with lebron minus kyrie and love.

He was an infinitely better coach than brother Lue.
Yeah, they should have kept blatt. He was doing well during the '16 season before he got fired after the first half of the regular season games and then retarded lue had to take over, who finished 27-14 in the second half of it. That freaking fool doesn't know crap about coaching great defense to their team. If blatt coached the team in the 2017 or 2018 finals, who knows maybe they could have won another title in one of those years or at least not end being swept and forced the warriors to six or seven games.

[Turbo Slayer]

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:roll:

[red1]

Crazy how this mastermind David Blatt was never again offered another NBA gig and back doing Turkey league ball

OTOH, Lue is still in the league yet demoted to assistant :lol

back where he belongs. :roll:



lue is a great guy Im sure he gave great pep talks.

[Axe]

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:roll:
Alas the poor, frail man who Allen Iverson infamously stepped over. How come this dude ends up being in the coaching staff of several teams?

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[3ball]

They started with the euroleague COTY.

Who ran a high level, ball movement based princeton offense.



Lebron nixed that for the classic AAU PnR brand and got him canned. The sad thing is he had the 2015 Cavs in the game with lebron minus kyrie and love.

He was an infinitely better coach than brother Lue.

Bookmarked your post

His jettison of Blatt is proof that lebron couldn't play in ball movement systems, which is why he isn't capable of having the best caliber of team, aka Spurs/Warriors, and gets beat by superior brands (09' ECF.. 11' and 14' Finals).. his 3/9 and 3/17 = lower team ceiling than guys with better championship records.. due to his inferior skillset/style/brand (ball-domination)

And the Cavs were in 1st when Blatt left

[red1]

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hey man but at least he was a better coach than mr potato head mike ****ing brown.



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[red1]

Bookmarked your post

It's proof that lebron couldn't play in ball movement systems, which is why he isn't capable of having the best caliber of team, aka Spurs/Warriors, and gets beat by superior brands (09' ECF.. 11' and 14' Finals)

you DO realize that lebron actually lead the cavs to the finals and won the ring the next season?


dumbass.

[red1]

Bookmarked your post

It's proof that lebron couldn't play in ball movement systems, which is why he isn't capable of having the best caliber of team, aka Spurs/Warriors, and gets beat by superior brands (09' ECF.. 11' and 14' Finals)

this cartoon is just for you bitch - I dont even know why you still post after he did exactly what you said he couldnt :roll:


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[tpols]

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hey man but at least he was a better coach than mr potato head mike ****ing brown.



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why are you bragging about this.

lebron has always been on some chris paul "i want a black coach". Trying to get guys like spo or blatt canned is why his teams could never blossom long term.

everybody knows and knew lue would be worse.

[1987_Lakers]

https://epackman.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/28lyo391.gif


Haven't seen that GIF in years. :oldlol:

[red1]

why are you bragging about this.

lebron has always been on some chris paul "i want a black coach". Trying to get guys like spo or blatt canned is why his teams could never blossom long term.

everybody knows and knew lue would be worse.

what? why are you making shit up? how did he try to get mike brown canned? :oldlol:

and this is how kobe reacted when he had mike brown for a BRIEF moment in his career. actually felt sorry for him that year 2012 he was the only one balling because that was a one-man team despite the names on the roster, they were GARBAGE including coaching :roll:

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[ArbitraryWater]

They started with the euroleague COTY.

Who ran a high level, ball movement based princeton offense.



Lebron nixed that for the classic AAU PnR brand and got him canned. The sad thing is he had the 2015 Cavs in the game with lebron minus kyrie and love.

He was an infinitely better coach than brother Lue.

Yeah right, what did mastermind Blatt do with LeBron on the bench, when they ran around with no sense of direction, going 3/20 or smthung without LeBron and outscored immensely.

[Axe]

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hey man but at least he was a better coach than mr potato head mike ****ing brown.



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Oh really? And what happened to him when lebron left the team again in 2018 for the lakers? What exactly happened after a few games into the 2018-19 season?

[red1]

Haven't seen that GIF in years.

that was a hilarious year. :oldlol:


I hated the celtics back then even though I'd always root for them against the lakers - who'dve known I'd become such a huge ray allen fan!!


ray allen for three - bang!!! :roll: :hammertime:

[red1]

Oh really? And what happened to him when lebron left the team again in 2018 for the lakers? What exactly happened after a few games into the 2018-19 season?

not sure what you're asking?

[Axe]

not sure what you're asking?
What happened to this coach you're rooting for after just how many games into the 2018-19 season?

[red1]

What happened to this coach you're rooting for after just how many games into the 2018-19 season?

Im not saying lue is the coach - Im saying lebron was always his own coach when he was playing on those shitty early cavs teams. it was also lecoach on the championship cavs. he couldve USED a coach early that would put him in his place and help him grow. its not his fault he had mike brown.


doesnt even matter though. he still won in cleveland. goal = achieved.

[Axe]

Im not saying lue is the coach - Im saying lebron was always his own coach when he was playing on those shitty early cavs teams. it was also lecoach on the championship cavs. he couldve USED a coach early that would put him in his place and help him grow. its not his fault he had mike brown.


doesnt even matter though. he still won in cleveland. goal = achieved.
Lol look at how you act as if mike brown never did any significant feats when he was head coaching the cavaliers with lbj last, last decade. That guy also has a distinction of leading the cavaliers first as coach to the finals, even if they were swept on it and then leading the team to two-straight 60 win seasons, their top two in franchise history. Comes short against east contenders in boston and orlando during those times though. Lue, on the other hand, only led the cavaliers to finals three-straight and won one because he benefited from a lebron conquering the eastern conference already during the 10s era and coming back to the team that originally drafted him in 03 but other than that, not much. So of course he was fired shortly when the last season started.

[red1]

Lol look at how you act as if mike brown never did any significant feats when he was head coaching the cavaliers with lbj last, last decade. That guy also has a distinction of leading the cavaliers first as coach to the finals, even if they were swept on it and then leading the team to two-straight 60 win seasons, their top two in franchise history. Comes short against east contenders in boston and orlando during those times though. Lue, on the other hand, only led the cavaliers to finals three-straight and won one because he benefited from a lebron conquering the eastern conference already during the 10s era and coming back to the team that originally drafted him in 03 but other than that, not much. So of course he was fired shortly when the last season started.

mike brown isnt the worst coach he's actually a good defensive coach because those cavs teams played great defense individual defense and team defense. I just bring him up because 3ball is always acting like every team in the history of the NBA has the passing of the '14 spurs and the warriors.


not gonna happen with mike brown as the coach. :roll:


even 3ball's goofy ass cant blame that on lebron, or his "non-championship ball-dominant style".

[Axe]

mike brown isnt the worst coach he's actually a good defensive coach because those cavs teams played great defense individual defense and team defense. I just bring him up because 3ball is always acting like every team in the history of the NBA has the passing of the '14 spurs and the warriors.


not gonna happen with mike brown as the coach. :roll:


even 3ball's goofy ass cant blame that on lebron, or his "non-championship ball-dominant style".
Well ok then. But to say that lue was a better coach than brown just because the former simply benefitted for leading the cavs to a title in 2016 after coming back from a 3-1 deficit in the finals against their nemesis warriors is laughable.

[72-10]

laughable (I might laugh a bit). They were way over payroll, set all kinds of illegal screens, had the refs in their pocket, their defense sucked, and Durant cheated with a stiffarm pushoff. Give me the '96 Bulls closely followed by the '87 Lakers and '86 Celtics. For all we know it's the '71 Bucks.

[Axe]

There's no way it's that team. They were way over payroll, set all kinds of illegal screens, had the refs in their pocket, their defense sucked, and something else I forgot. Give me the '96 Bulls closely followed by the '87 Lakers and '86 Celtics.
And not to mention they resorted to dirty tactics otw to their third-straight finals appearance. What zaza did to kawhi in game 1 of the 2017 wcf is a good demonstration of this and after that, the spurs never recovered en route their inevitable sweep.

[red1]

Well ok then. But to say that lue was a better coach than brown just because the former simply benefitted for leading the cavs to a title in 2016 after coming back from a 3-1 deficit in the finals against their nemesis warriors is laughable.

they're both average nothing special as a head coach but Im sure great as a secondary coach.

[FireDavidKahn]

.
The stat pros determined that the 11' Heat and 15' Cavs had the most on-paper talent since 1980, up until the 17' Warriors:



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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/superteams-like-the-warriors-usually-underperform-will-the-kevin-durant-era-be-different/


So the "comp" argument is bogus when everyone knows that Lebron's teams had the most talent in the league, aka "not 6, not 7"

I know your banned so you can't reply but I'm sure you're reading this anyway.

That number is so high because the Cavs were top heavy. The back ups and role players weren't that good.

Also, LeBron was favored to win in only 2 Finals.

https://www.sportsoddshistory.com/nba-playoffs-series/?y=all&o=d&fv=&hv=&fd=

NBA Finals San Antonio Spurs(3) -450 Cleveland Cavaliers(2) +360 San Antonio Spurs 4-0

NBA Finals Miami Heat (2) -175 Dallas Mavericks (3) +155 Dallas Mavericks 4-2

NBA Finals Oklahoma City Thunder (2) -175 Miami Heat (2) +155 Miami Heat 4-1

NBA Finals Miami Heat (1) -220 San Antonio Spurs (2) +180 Miami Heat 4-3

NBA Finals San Antonio Spurs (1) -155 Miami Heat (2) +135 San Antonio Spurs 4-1

NBA Finals Golden State Warriors (1) -220 Cleveland Cavaliers (2) +190 Golden State Warriors 4-2

NBA Finals Golden State Warriors (1) -220 Cleveland Cavaliers (1) +180 Cleveland Cavaliers 4-3

NBA Finals Golden State Warriors (1) -300 Cleveland Cavaliers (2) +250 Golden State Warriors 4-1

NBA Finals Golden State Warriors (2) -1075 Cleveland Cavaliers (4) +688 Golden State Warriors 4-0

[Axe]

they're both average nothing special as a head coach but Im sure great as a secondary coach.
I never said that one of them is special compared to the other or something like that but they're definitely nothing compared to hof coaches like pop or phil.

[FireDavidKahn]

He actually has ... and has been amazing beyond his injuries. Which he’s prone to having, but yea. Only LeBron Stans perpetuate that myth and hate for Kyrie.

Get ready to pucker that anus!

Since leaving LeBron:

Celtics with him: 78-49 61.4%
Celtics without him: 26-11 70.3%

Nets with him: 8-12 40%
Nets without him: 22-22 50%

Hmmmmmmmmmm

[SouBeachTalents]

Get ready to pucker that anus!

Since leaving LeBron:

Celtics with him: 78-49 61.4%
Celtics without him: 26-11 70.3%

Nets with him: 8-12 40%
Nets without him: 22-22 50%

Hmmmmmmmmmm
Not to mention the Cavs made it to the god damn Finals without him too :lol And the Celtics made it to Game 7 of the ECF with him missing the entire playoffs

[FireDavidKahn]

Not to mention the Cavs made it to the god damn Finals without him too :lol And the Celtics made it to Game 7 of the ECF with him missing the entire playoffs

Kyrie has only made the play offs once in his career without LeBron. He left to a team that had won won 53 games and made the ECF so it isn't like he elevated a bad team to the play offs:roll:

[Mr Feeny]

Tell us again how 2012 Wade shuts down '01 Kobe. :roll:

He would shut him down worse than 2001 Eric Snow did.
Tell his more about how the 2001 lakers are a top 15 team ever:lol

[Mr Feeny]

Eric Snow didn't shut anyone down dumbfukk. He came off the bench, switching with Aaron Mckie and Raja Bell. Kobe averaged 26/7/6 on 42% shooting btw. That's being limited and contained. Not shut down.



This isn't fantasy land. There isn't any evidence to support them "shutting down" Kobe either. Support your claims.



Single handidly?

Kobe averaged 29/7/6 on 47% shooting in the playoffs. Played good defense too. You're an idiot and in over your head.
Repeating something incorrect 20 times isn't going to make it any more accurate.

2001 Kobe was shut down by old man Snow. As he nearly always got shut down on the biggest stage..that's why he was a 41%off career finals scorer.

Let's assume that we are in a universe that Kobe is a better finas performer. Who is gonna stop Lebron? (The guy I repeatedly told you was better than any version of Kobe which prompted you to melt down and throw around insults before you tucked your tail between your legs are realised that I was right along about you not understanding basketball)?

The 2001 lakers would get creamed by any team with prime Lebron and a decent supporting cast. His h2h with Kobe is embarrassingly one sided.

[Pipes2.0]

thats a very, very, easy question to answer.

lebron and kyrie only played together 3 years.

first year - they made it to the finals where kyrie went down. kyrie is very fragile.
second year - championship.
third year - they played the most stacked team of all time.



lebron and kyrie duo absolutely has the talent to turn into a dynasty - if kyrie doesnt get injured and kd doesnt join a 73-win team, aka the most stacked team of all-time.


lebron and kyrie would beat every single one of jordan's finals opponents. :oldlol:

Quoted for truth.

[Axe]

Repeating something incorrect 20 times isn't going to make it any more accurate.

2001 Kobe was shut down by old man Snow. As he nearly always got shut down on the biggest stage..that's why he was a 41%off career finals scorer.

Let's assume that we are in a universe that Kobe is a better finas performer. Who is gonna stop Lebron? (The guy I repeatedly told you was better than any version of Kobe which prompted you to melt down and throw around insults before you tucked your tail between your legs are realised that I was right along about you not understanding basketball)?

The 2001 lakers would get creamed by any team with prime Lebron and a decent supporting cast. His h2h with Kobe is embarrassingly one sided.
Yup, snow was a good defensive player during his earlier years.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Repeating something incorrect 20 times isn't going to make it any more accurate.

2001 Kobe was shut down by old man Snow. As he nearly always got shut down on the biggest stage..that's why he was a 41%off career finals scorer.

You're confused. Kobe is a career 25-26ppg scorer. And shot around 45%. So no, 26 on 42% isn't being "shut down". Learn what contained and being limited mean.


Let's assume that we are in a universe that Kobe is a better finas performer. Who is gonna stop Lebron? (The guy I repeatedly told nyou was better than any version of Kobe which prompted you to melt down and throw around insults before you tucked your tail between your legs are realised that I was right along about you not understanding basketball)?

We're not talking about Lebron. Nobody is saying Kobe is a better finals performer either. Comprehend what you're being told.

Once again, explain why 2012 and 2013 Wade would "shutdown" prime Kobe. Back your claims, goofy.


The 2001 lakers would get creamed by any team with prime Lebron and a decent supporting cast. His h2h with Kobe is embarrassingly one sided.

Not with peak Shaq and prime Kobe they wouldn't. Educate yourself.

[ArbitraryWater]

ths nikka feeny retarded on a different level

[Mr Feeny]

You're confused. Kobe is a career 25-26ppg scorer. And shot around 45%. So no, 26 on 42% isn't being "shut down". Learn what contained and being limited mean.



We're not talking about Lebron. Nobody is saying Kobe is a better finals performer either. Comprehend what you're being told.

Once again, explain why 2012 and 2013 Wade would "shutdown" prime Kobe. Back your claims, goofy.



Not with peak Shaq and prime Kobe they wouldn't. Educate yourself.

Wrong again. Because as I said, you know nothing about basketball.

Kobe is not a 26ppg career scorer so there is no need to go around making stuff up.

Back up? Why don't you back up your opinion that he wouldn't? This is all hypothetical, dummy.

And yes, any Lebron lead title team would have creamed that 2001 lakers team. Shaq was a problem. Kobe wasn't.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Wrong again. Because as I said, you know nothing about basketball.

Kobe is not a 26ppg career scorer so there is no need to go around making stuff up.

Is this supposed to be a rebuttal? I mean you're not even quoting me right. :oldlol: That's beside the point though. Kobe basically averaged the SAME number of points he does for his career. So how did Eric Snow "shut him down"? Explain that and quit beating around the bush, you little bitch.


Back up? Why don't you back up your opinion that he wouldn't? This is all hypothetical, dummy.

You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you, so start explaining yourself.


And yes, any Lebron lead title team would have creamed that 2001 lakers team. Shaq was a problem. Kobe wasn't.

They BOTH were a problem. Kobe was a superstar and easily a top 5 player during their title run. Lebron and a regressed Wade aren't "creaming" the 01 Lakers. Once again, educate your dumb ass.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

ths nikka feeny retarded on a different level

Pretty much. Nobody with a brain gets kicked in the head willingly, and repeatedly.

[superduper]

Quoted for truth.

Good thing the playoff is four rounds not one.

Bran hasn't remotely come close to the pre-finals competition that Jordan has.

All of his roads to the finals have been absolute jokes :oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

25 ppg on 42%

w/ 8 rpg, and 6 apg

Is being “shut down”?

What kind of stupid crap is that?! This was against a top five defense. These are the same people that would claim this

36 ppg on 40%

is one of the greatest offensive performances ever in basically a higher paced, less physical NBA. Particularly on the perimeter and in the paint.

The double standards of retardation are astounding.

[Dbrog]

The 2001 lakers would get creamed by any team with prime Lebron and a decent supporting cast. His h2h with Kobe is embarrassingly one sided.

What is this? :lol 2001 Lakers is most dominant playoff team ever and would trample any of Lebron's teams if playing by the early 2000s rules. Nowadays rules, maybe you could argue just cause Shaq might always foul out by half-time.

[SouBeachTalents]

25 ppg on 42%

w/ 8 rpg, and 6 apg

Is being “shut down”?

What kind of stupid crap is that?! This was against a top five defense. These are the same people that would claim this

36 ppg on 40%

is one of the greatest offensive performances ever in basically a higher paced, less physical NBA. Particularly on the perimeter and in the paint.

The double standards of retardation are astounding.
Lmao at trying to compare Kobe's situation in the '01 Finals with LeBron's in 2015

[Mr Feeny]

Is this supposed to be a rebuttal? I mean you're not even quoting me right. :oldlol: That's beside the point though. Kobe basically averaged the SAME number of points he does for his career. So how did Eric Snow "shut him down"? Explain that and quit beating around the bush, you little bitch.



You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you, so start explaining yourself.



They BOTH were a problem. Kobe was a superstar and easily a top 5 player during their title run. Lebron and a regressed Wade aren't "creaming" the 01 Lakers. Once again, educate your dumb ass.

In other words, you made up stats, and got upset when you I called you out for making up stats.

Kobe was what he was. On the biggest stage in that 2001 season, shot somwhere close to 41%.

And yeah, the 2012 heat would cream them.

[SamuraiSWISH]

What is this? :lol 2001 Lakers is most dominant playoff team ever and would trample any of Lebron's teams if playing by the early 2000s rules. Nowadays rules, maybe you could argue just cause Shaq might always foul out by half-time.
I don’t think it’s that definitive.

The record would imply that, yes. But the 91 Bulls were off by one game LOL and it was a rimmed out game winner ironically against the Lakers that kept it from being a sweep.

The 96 Bulls severely took their foot off the gas in Seattle after they went up three games to none.

And if we’re being honest the Lakers didn’t see a great opponent in the finals.

So it’s not like they faced a similarly talented team to give them any issue or losses in what should’ve been the most competitive round.

Iverson by himself stole one game off them.

[Mr Feeny]

25 ppg on 42%

w/ 8 rpg, and 6 apg

Is being “shut down”?

What kind of stupid crap is that?! This was against a top five defense. These are the same people that would claim this

36 ppg on 40%

is one of the greatest offensive performances ever in basically a higher paced, less physical NBA. Particularly on the perimeter and in the paint.

The double standards of retardation are astounding.

Lebron averaged 36ppg and 13 rpg on somehwre close to 39%fg.
Why on earth are you acting is if that's subpar? For his standard the shooting might be. But it isn't far off from Kobe"s career finals percentage.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

In other words, you made up stats, and got upset when you I called you out for making up stats.

You quoted me incorrectly again. Fix that, and then explain how Eric Snow "shutdown" Kobe.


Kobe was what he was. On the biggest stage in that 2001 season, shot somwhere close to 41%.

You do realize this makes my point, right? Kobe averages 41%FG in the finals, yet shot 42% against Eric "Behemoth" Snow.

lol

Your self awareness is literally 0.


And yeah, the 2012 heat would cream them.

That sounds convincing. No, not really you fukking inbred.

[Mr Feeny]

You quoted me incorrectly again. Fix that, and then explain how Eric Snow "shutdown" Kobe.



You do realize this makes my point, right? Kobe averages 41%FG in the finals, yet shot 42% against Eric "Behemoth" Snow.

lol

Your self awareness is literally 0.



That sounds convincing. No, not really you fukking inbred.

Ah here we go. The meltdown continues from the guy who doesn't understand the sport.

What on earth does the fact that other defenders have also shut down Kobe in the finals have to do with the fact that Eric Snow did it?

Are you really this plain stupid or not you not see the flaw with your post?
Carry on telling me how Kobe is 》 Lebron all time. As I said, I've educated you before and I'll keep on doing it. I am your daddy, little kid.

[Whoah10115]

You quoted me incorrectly again. Fix that, and then explain how Eric Snow "shutdown" Kobe.



You do realize this makes my point, right? Kobe averages 41%FG in the finals, yet shot 42% against Eric "Behemoth" Snow.

lol

Your self awareness is literally 0.



That sounds convincing. No, not really you fukking inbred.

Why would you respond to that guy? He's genuinely useless.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Ah here we go. The meltdown continues from the guy who doesn't understand the sport.

What on earth does the fact that other defenders have also shut down Kobe in the finals have to do with the fact that Eric Snow did it?

Re-read what you're quoting, simpleton. You claimed that Eric Snow "shut him down". Well, Kobe averages 41%FG in the finals yet shot 42% against Eric Snow.

Let me help you out. Your original claims hold no weight.


Are you really this plain stupid or not you not see the flaw with your post?
Carry on telling me how Kobe is 》 Lebron all time. As I said, I've educated you before and I'll keep on doing it. I am your daddy, little kid.

You sound like a lame ass bitch lol

We're not talking about Lebron and nobody is saying Kobe > Lebron all time. Quit moving goalposts, coward.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Lmao at trying to compare Kobe's situation in the '01 Finals with LeBron's in 2015

Your reading comprehension is an all time low during this pandemic ... you must be drunk like Smokee117 at the crib.

Didn’t compare the situation. Feeny was exaggerating and judging based on numbers primarily the efficiency ones like FG% and that’s what I was saying.

I don’t believe either performance was bad.

LeBron’s was obviously better with no Shaq like co superstar ... but the double teams were actually for Kobe on the perimeter and not O’Neal. They let Mutombo guard him on his own. Being the DPOY and highly qualified.

[imdaman99]

This thread is ISH in a nutshell. People exaggerating on both sides sheesh. Good thing I only read the first and last page :lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Why would you respond to that guy? He's genuinely useless.

I gave that idiot the benefit of the doubt, but you're right. Mods need to abort these one-trick trolls.

[sdot_thadon]

Why would you respond to that guy? He's genuinely useless.

+1

[1987_Lakers]

He would shut him down worse than 2001 Eric Snow did.
Tell his more about how the 2001 lakers are a top 15 team ever:lol

- They had the most dominant postseason run in NBA History, 15-1, +12 point differential
- They had the greatest duo in NBA history, Shaq at his peak, Kobe entering his prime
- They were not one year flukes, they won 3 straight championships

If that isn't good enough to be an all-time great team, then I don't know what is.

I'm not even gonna touch you saying 2012 Wade would shut down Kobe. A bunch posters in this thread have already told you what a retarded statement that was.

[Dbrog]

I don’t think it’s that definitive.

The record would imply that, yes. But the 91 Bulls were off by one game LOL and it was a rimmed out game winner ironically against the Lakers that kept it from being a sweep.

The 96 Bulls severely took their foot off the gas in Seattle after they went up three games to none.

And if we’re being honest the Lakers didn’t see a great opponent in the finals.

So it’s not like they faced a similarly talented team to give them any issue or losses in what should’ve been the most competitive round.

Iverson by himself stole one game off them.

Not gonna argue about Jordan Bulls. They are certainly terrorizing to face and could also beat any of brons teams. It's apples and oranges at that point.

As for the Laker opponents, eh it's not like they faced trash. They faced a great offensive King's team that lacked defense and a great defensive Spurs team that lacked offense. Not saying Lakers weren't favored but people at least expected those other teams to win 2ish games. That was indeed a legendary Iverson performance though RIP lue haha

[SamuraiSWISH]

Not gonna argue about Jordan Bulls. They are certainly terrorizing to face and could also beat any of brons teams. It's apples and oranges at that point.

As for the Laker opponents, eh it's not like they faced trash. They faced a great offensive King's team that lacked defense and a great defensive Spurs team that lacked offense. Not saying Lakers weren't favored but people at least expected those other teams to win 2ish games. That was indeed a legendary Iverson performance though RIP lue haha
Without a doubt.

No, I agree, I'm saying ... those 2001 Lakers faced REALLY good conference competition, but they also LITERALLY had hmm the BEST (Shaq) and 4th BEST player (Kobe) in the entire league. They were bullies.

That is crazy level talented. That is absurd. Regardless of what was around them.

But that Sixers team honestly, was 5'11 combo guard AI with defensive dogs, but trash talent around him.

I truly felt they were inferior to the Bucks, and Spurs. They were not remotely talented enough to compete, let alone steal a game off that 2001 Lakers two headed monster. So it kind of puts the 15-1 thing into perspective.

I mean, 91 Bulls won 61 games, and went 15-2 in the playoffs. A c unt's hair of an in n out jumper from sweeping Magic's Lakers in the Finals.

Is there THAT big of a separation with them and the 2001 Lakers? No.

[Whoah10115]

Was pretty clear during the 01 playoffs that Kobe was better than just 4th best. Shaq is an all-time great players but benefitted from getting away with genuine assault, as well as not having anyone to go up against. All things being equal I think Kobe was the best player in the league.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Was pretty clear during the 01 playoffs that Kobe was better than just 4th best. Shaq is an all-time great players but benefitted from getting away with genuine assault, as well as not having anyone to go up against. All things being equal I think Kobe was the best player in the league.
I was being courteous to Duncan and KG. But I could easily make the argument for being 1 and 2 in the league.

[tpols]

Was pretty clear during the 01 playoffs that Kobe was better than just 4th best. Shaq is an all-time great players but benefitted from getting away with genuine assault, as well as not having anyone to go up against. All things being equal I think Kobe was the best player in the league.

even Shaq agreed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02NeajL75e8

[ArbitraryWater]

Pretty much. Nobody with a brain gets kicked in the head willingly, and repeatedly.

Lmao.

[Drygon]

Jordan had 4 all-star teammates (Pippen, Rodman, Grant, Armstrong)

Only Pippen was an All-Star caliber player. The rest of them were role players.