Biden accused of rape

[RRR3]

https://mobile.twitter.com/kthalps/status/1242691746561167360


Clink on the SoundCloud link. She starts talking about the rape at around 2:53

[Hawker]

https://mobile.twitter.com/kthalps/status/1242691746561167360


Clink on the SoundCloud link. She starts talking about the rape at around 2:53

#believeallwomen

The standard was set with Kavanaugh.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Two of our last 4 Presidents have been accused of rape. We've probably had multiple rapist presidents.

[RRR3]

We will see just how much neoliberals actually believe women now.

[John Connor]

We will see just how much neoliberals actually believe women now.

More importantly, you will receive further evidence of how much your news media does not care about being fair or impartial. You will also see that the democrats (which I mean come on, the republicans are the same way) will make excuses or ignore it... certainly a hell of a lot more ignoring coming out of their end than they did with Trump & Kavanaugh.

Fox News will probably cover this more than the other networks. They'll all cover it, but overall it will receive far less coverage than Trump's grab em by the ***** comment and certainly less than Kavanaugh's coverage as well. You will see.

It'll get covered, but it'll be let go a hell of a lot sooner.

This is why anyone who partakes in partisan politics, identity politics, anyone who believes the left or believes the right or believes the media... well, bluntly? Those people... they're all clowns of the highest order.

Your government officials and your news media do not care about you or me. I'm sorry, that's a reality most people don't want to face, but it's true.

[CelticBaller]

Metoo is cancer

[RRR3]

I should have said alleged rape in the OP. Although I’m inclined to believe Biden is guilty. Dude preys on little girls on camera.

[tpols]

If you were to dig deep enough... every celebrity or person of influence ever could technically be a rapist. People only listen to one side today.

Being called a rapist is like the new salem witch trials. Any time they want to lambast a person, thats what will be brought up.

and i am the absolute farthest thing from a fan of sleepy joe.

[RRR3]

If you were to dig deep enough... every celebrity ever could technically be a rapist. People only listen to one side today.

Do you just TRY to post the dumbest shit you can think of?

[tpols]

Do you just TRY to post the dumbest shit you can think of?

Not at all... it just comes naturally.

[Manny98]

What a f*cking creep, imagine if he wins the election

[RRR3]

Metoo is cancer

You support a dementia riddled accused rapist who wants to cut social security and defended segregation. Bad look mate.

[warriorfan]

Shocking.

[Phong]

That lady accused him of touching her shoulders and neck in the past. Now she claims he fingered her. She should have kept her story consistent from the get-go if she wants to be believed now.

Bernie Bros are desperate so they've already declared Biden guilty. If the coronavirus isn't going to take Biden out maybe this will.

[Long Duck Dong]

I should have said alleged rape in the OP. Although I’m inclined to believe Biden is guilty. Dude preys on little girls on camera.

Hold up. Maybe she enjoyed getting raped though. According to Bernie Sanders every woman fantasizes about being raped, and raped by multiple men at that right?

[qrich]

Hold up. Maybe she enjoyed getting raped though. According to Bernie Sanders every woman fantasizes about being raped, and raped by multiple men at that right?

It was one man not three, couldn't enjoy it

[Manny98]

Metoo is cancer
:facepalm

[CelticBaller]

:facepalm

Mind your own business foreigner

[CelticBaller]

Hold up. Maybe she enjoyed getting raped though. According to Bernie Sanders every woman fantasizes about being raped, and raped by multiple men at that right?

Lmaoo well well well

[Charlie Sheen]

You support a dementia riddled accused rapist who wants to cut social security and defended segregation. Bad look mate.

It's a hard discussion to have with the American people, but I don't think that's a bad look for Biden to be honest about the future of social security.

[Hawker]

You support a dementia riddled accused rapist who wants to cut social security and defended segregation. Bad look mate.

If he only he supported communist dictators that sent individuals to the gulags and severely restricted any kind of freedom. Would you support Biden then?

[CelticBaller]

You support a dementia riddled accused rapist who wants to cut social security and defended segregation. Bad look mate.
Accused by a lady who can’t even keep her story straight

You support a guy who wrote about women loving rape. Calm down

[bladefd]

What a f*cking creep, imagine if he wins the election

He would be beating another creep who likes to grab random women by the pu$$y :oldlol:

Can't believe Trump and Biden are the best both parties can do :hammerhead:

[MaxFly]

This is not a good look for Biden. Not sure if the MSM has the bandwidth right now to cover this the way it should be covered, but I expect it to get some mention.

It's strange that the accuser, Tara Reade, had a few blog posts praising Russia and specifically Putin, and deleted them recently.

2020 is lit.

[CelticBaller]

This is not a good look for Biden. Not sure if the MSM has the bandwidth right now to cover this the way it should be covered, but I expect it to get some mention.

It's strange that the accuser, Tara Reade, had a few blog posts praising Russia and specifically Putin, and deleted them recently.

2020 is lit.

Not surprising, bernies buddies are doing their best to smear Biden

[Phong]

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up/

Quite an interesting read. Her mother is a leftist who taught her to hate America. She's a Bernie and Putin supporter. She's writing a novel set in Russia and wrote on her blog "I love Russia with all my heart." along with a ton of praise for Putin.

https://archive.is/Vi7Hf

She first accused Biden of touching her shoulders and neck in April 2019 after he announced his presidential run. Now that Bernie's campaign is dead, she's accusing Biden of rape. How convenient.

[MaxFly]

Not surprising, bernies buddies are doing their best to smear Biden

If this is indeed a smear in Bernie's name, they're going to do a great deal of violence to Bernie's legacy.

[diamenz]

This is not a good look for Biden. Not sure if the MSM has the bandwidth right now to cover this the way it should be covered, but I expect it to get some mention.

It's strange that the accuser, Tara Reade, had a few blog posts praising Russia and specifically Putin, and deleted them recently.

2020 is lit.

it's going viral.

...k that was bad.

[coin24]

Was hilarious when they tried this shit on trump... she's not my type :lol
Also when they show one of the old bags he goes.. her? Really?:roll:

Like a boss

[FKAri]

I like it. Shows decisiveness. Knows what he wants and gets after it.

[TheMan]

Why is she coming out with this accusation right now that Biden is practically the Democratic nominee? I ain't buying it. If she would've accused him back before he became the favorite, then it's more believable but how convenient that she comes out with her story now. Yeah right.

[Rolando]

With or without this, Biden has zero chance of winning this election. He's even worse than Hillary.

[Hawker]

Why is she coming out with this accusation right now that Biden is practically the Democratic nominee? I ain't buying it. If she would've accused him back before he became the favorite, then it's more believable but how convenient that she comes out with her story now. Yeah right.

Agreed man. We all know this is BS.

As men, we need to unite against this shit.

[Stanley Kobrick]

this is going to triple his votes once Trump supporters get word of this.

[BarberSchool]

Dude is toast anyways, his brain isn’t fully operational anymore. They’re hand picking him for an easy victory, and they’re acquiring more red meat to throw their rabid base, in the form of: enraging hair sniffing and girl groping videos, hours of footage of dude not respecting underage girls personal space, even after unmistakably clear body language

[TheMan]

With or without this, Biden has zero chance of winning this election. He's even worse than Hillary.

I wouldn't discount him yet, lots of factors can affect the election, if Trump struggles to get this virus under control while other countries recover, that can doom him. Trump is antsy to get the economy rolling again, even against what his medical experts are saying, dude knows that if the economy is toast by Nov, he ain't winning, people don't give a shit about reasons for a bad economy, history has shown us that incumbents presiding over bad economies never win.

[ItsMillerTime]

I like it. Shows decisiveness. Knows what he wants and gets after it.

Bold take. I like it.

[rawimpact]

Agreed man. We all know this is BS.

As men, we need to unite against this shit.

Couldnt agree with this more. This is beyond politics, this is ruining a mans life...

[RRR3]

The mainstream media REFUSES to talk about this. They are petrified of Bernie getting the nomination.

[John Connor]

The mainstream media REFUSES to talk about this. They are petrified of Bernie getting the nomination.

Your national news media and national level politicians do not care about you or me. That includes Bernie, I’m sad to say.

None of them care. It’s all a game. That’s all that it is. Everything to them is a game.

If you don’t see it now you likely never will.

[RRR3]

Your national news media and national level politicians do not care about you or me. That includes Bernie, I’m sad to say.

None of them care. It’s all a game. That’s all that it is. Everything to them is a game.

If you don’t see it now you likely never will.

Bernie has a pretty long track record of proving he cares but ok. Agree with you in general tho.

[Phong]

The mainstream media REFUSES to talk about this. They are petrified of Bernie getting the nomination.Bernie's campaign is dead in the water and an unsubstantiated rape accusation from a Bernie supporter is nothing but a desperate move.

What is there for the mainstream media to say? That this woman changed her story?

[RRR3]

^desperate to have Biden win the nomination so his hero has an easy path to reelection.

[Phong]

^desperate to have Biden win the nomination so his hero has an easy path to reelection.You never have anything insightful to say. Bernie's campaign is shot but you try to puff up your chest and act as if others are "petrified" or "desperate". Is that some lame attempt at reverse psychology or coping mechanism?

Don't despair. You still have a long life. If it's not Bernie, maybe it'll be Occasional-Cortex who will save your weak and pathetic self.

[Hawker]

Does Biden even exist anymore? He has zero presence at the moment and his online pressers and interviews were an absolute disaster.

[~primetime~]

https://www.oddsshark.com/politics/2020-usa-presidential-odds-futures

Biden/Trump are neck and neck 50/50 Vegas odds

IMO this election isn't even about Biden anymore, it doesn't even matter who the Dem candidate is.

This election is Trump vs. COVID19

If COVID19 beats the country down into a depression, you could put Ronald McDonald in there as the Dem candidate and he'd win

[Long Duck Dong]

https://www.oddsshark.com/politics/2020-usa-presidential-odds-futures

Biden/Trump are neck and neck 50/50 Vegas odds

IMO this election isn't even about Biden anymore, it doesn't even matter who the Dem candidate is.

This election is Trump vs. COVID19

If COVID19 beats the country down into a depression, you could put Ronald McDonald in there as the Dem candidate and he'd win

This in a nutshell.

Trump has made some horrifically glaring mistakes in guiding the country lately with this pandemic going on. He's going to need to step up his game.

[FKAri]

This in a nutshell.

Trump has made some horrifically glaring mistakes in guiding the country lately with this pandemic going on. He's going to need to step up his game.

Not any more than usual. I'd blame the American "system" moreso than Trump.

[Kblaze8855]

I'll say the same thing I do about all of them.

Nobody knows but the two of them and it absolutely sucks for one of them because there really is no such thing as proof. Either he didnt and cant prove it or did and she cant.

I cant even imagine being accused of rape. There are people who would never believe you didnt do it. But fact is there have been waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more rapes in history than people who were punished for it. So its just a bitch all the way around.

[TheMan]

Women make false rape accusations all the time, it affects the women who really have been raped and also the men who have been falsely accused. There has to be some consequences for making a false accusation.

Back in the 90s a friend of mine was falsely accused by an ex girlfriend, she got pissed he dumped her for another girl so her idea of revenge was to make a false accusation. His mug shot was plastered all over the newspapers, being called a degenerate antisocial misfit etc Poor guy, only thing that saved him was that she later retracted her story but obviously the newspapers never offered an apology...

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump has to pay for it.

[Long Duck Dong]

Joe Rogan and Joey Diaz going in on Biden.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8mPAKMCEsWo

Joey Diaz

"He’s like Junior Soprano before he shot Tony." :roll:

Dems are going to lose this election(assuming there is one) if Bernie Bros don't get behind Biden. Trump wasn't my first choice like a lot of Republicans but we got behind him because the alternative was worse in our opinion. Is getting butthurt over not having your first choice to represent you really worth letting your enemy win? :confusedshrug:

[Norcaliblunt]

Dems are going to lose this election(assuming there is one) if Bernie Bros don't get behind Biden. Trump wasn't my first choice like a lot of Republicans but we got behind him because the alternative was worse in our opinion. Is getting butthurt over not having your first choice to represent you really worth letting your enemy win? :confusedshrug:

This kind of talk always cracks me up. Lol. “Letting your enemy win”? As if this is some tribal sports team fandom type of shit?

Oh yeah I forgot it really is to most people.

[RRR3]

Joe Rogan and Joey Diaz going in on Biden.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8mPAKMCEsWo

Joey Diaz

"He’s like Junior Soprano before he shot Tony." :roll:

Dems are going to lose this election(assuming there is one) if Bernie Bros don't get behind Biden. Trump wasn't my first choice like a lot of Republicans but we got behind him because the alternative was worse in our opinion. Is getting butthurt over not having your first choice to represent you really worth letting your enemy win? :confusedshrug:
Biden has no shot against Trump. I refuse to waste a vote on a corrupt creepy guy who has a horrendous track record and might be a rapist.

[bladefd]

Biden has no shot against Trump. I refuse to waste a vote on a corrupt creepy guy who has a horrendous track record and might be a rapist.

Biden will probably bring back many of the same advisors and cabinet people that served under Obama so that might be good. Better than the revolving door that has been Trump administration

[MaxFly]

Biden has no shot against Trump. I refuse to waste a vote on a corrupt creepy guy who has a horrendous track record and might be a rapist.

Biden has absolutely murdered Sanders in polling since Super Tuesday and in States and Delegates won since South Carolina. If Biden has no shot against Trump, I'm not sure what chance Bernie has as he is struggling to get his youth demographic to actually come out and vote for him.

[Long Duck Dong]

The woman has now filed a criminal complaint with police.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8209867/Former-Biden-senate-staffer-files-criminal-complaint-against-Democratic-2020-frontrunner.html

There was never even a criminal complaint against Brett Kavanaugh and the media milked the "rape" story for weeks.

As of yet no mention of this by:

CNN
MSNBC
LA Times
NY Times
and all the usual suspects

"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you've got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she's talking about is real"

[TheMan]

The woman has now filed a criminal complaint with police.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8209867/Former-Biden-senate-staffer-files-criminal-complaint-against-Democratic-2020-frontrunner.html

There was never even a criminal complaint against Brett Kavanaugh and the media milked the "rape" story for weeks.

As of yet no mention of this by:

CNN
MSNBC
LA Times
NY Times
and all the usual suspects

"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you've got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she's talking about is real"


Upside, this is gonna make him even more popular with Trump supporters...alpha af

[Hawker]

The woman has now filed a criminal complaint with police.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8209867/Former-Biden-senate-staffer-files-criminal-complaint-against-Democratic-2020-frontrunner.html

There was never even a criminal complaint against Brett Kavanaugh and the media milked the "rape" story for weeks.

As of yet no mention of this by:

CNN
MSNBC
LA Times
NY Times
and all the usual suspects

"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you've got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she's talking about is real"


Yep. And this is why I'm glad Kavanaugh got pushed through. It was all fake outrage by Dems and the media.

[RRR3]

Yep. And this is why I'm glad Kavanaugh got pushed through. It was all fake outrage by Dems and the media.
I'm certainly not glad he got pushed through, but it's hard to argue the outrage was fake from anyone not wanting to discuss Biden being accused of rape. It's also really stupid to ignore this, because Trump is going to weaponize it sooner or later. The lengths they will go to protect Biden are disgusting.

[Shogon]

This accusation and lack of coverage just highlights that the country has indeed fallen.

I am well aware that COVID is the story right now, but let's say this was a Trump accusation of rape... do you think that it would be getting minimal coverage?

LMFAO! It would be around the clock.

The United States has fallen already in multiple ways and most of us just don't know it yet. It's over. I'm not saying it's going to dissolve anytime soon but... the principles of this country are gone. And the probability of hyperinflation increases by the day.

Everyone is a ****ing moron. Holy ****ing dumb****s.

[RRR3]

This is front page news if it was Bernie or Trump for sure.

[DoctorP]

it will come out eventually. surely the repubs are financing this person to press charges

[bladefd]

I'm certainly not glad he got pushed through, but it's hard to argue the outrage was fake from anyone not wanting to discuss Biden being accused of rape. It's also really stupid to ignore this, because Trump is going to weaponize it sooner or later. The lengths they will go to protect Biden are disgusting.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61GZ0-Y0EfL._AC_SX425_.jpg

[DoctorP]

now is not a good time for this to come out. closer to the election.

[RRR3]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61GZ0-Y0EfL._AC_SX425_.jpg
That's not the point, bro. Trump doesn't care. His base doesn't care. You know who will care? Democratic voters.


Biden is a liability. I swear the DNC wants to lose.

[diamenz]

actually i'd rather the media didn't talk about it right now... so that when trump gets biden's accuser a front seat at the debate like he did bill clinton in 16, the media will absolutely lose their shit all at once.

[DoctorP]

That's not the point, bro. Trump doesn't care. His base doesn't care. You know who will care? Democratic voters.


Biden is a liability. I swear the DNC wants to lose.

its too late now. The boomers and the blacks have united for moderate change or no change

[DoctorP]

actually i'd rather the media didn't talk about it right now... so that when trump gets biden's accuser a front seat at the debate like he did bill clinton in 16, the media will absolutely lose their shit all at once.


https://media1.giphy.com/media/XpCmmyiRd7elW/source.gif

[Patrick Chewing]

now is not a good time for this to come out. closer to the election.

It's actually the best time for this to come out if the Dems want to sneakily slide someone in to replace Biden as the nominee with someone like....Cuomo.

[DoctorP]

It's actually the best time for this to come out if the Dems want to sneakily slide someone in to replace Biden as the nominee with someone like....Cuomo.

no, no. let Trump save the country from corona, taking all the credit. And as soon as the shine comes off... BOOM: BIDEN RAPE
'or wait...let Biden do well in the debates and as he gains momentum... BOOM: BIDEN RAPE

The repubs have a rape card. They are not gonna show it yet. That would be a waste.

[Hawker]

https://media.thedonald.win/thedonald/post/r8LviRI6.png

The NYT then deleted the tweet and made an unacknowledge edit of the article that removed the last part of the tweet.

Then these guys have the audacity to say Trump is building distrust in the media.

[DoctorP]

https://media.thedonald.win/thedonald/post/r8LviRI6.png

The NYT then deleted the tweet and made an unacknowledge edit of the article that removed the last part of the tweet.

Then these guys have the audacity to say Trump is building distrust in the media.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W36NaA08_gU

[RRR3]

https://media.thedonald.win/thedonald/post/r8LviRI6.png

The NYT then deleted the tweet and made an unacknowledge edit of the article that removed the last part of the tweet.

Then these guys have the audacity to say Trump is building distrust in the media.
Damn :oldlol:

Fellas, find you a girl who will defend you like the media defends Joe Biden

[CelticBaller]

This accusation has basically been torn apart and you’re still going at it :lol

[CelticBaller]

Since I love shitting on Bernie, his press manager posted this on twitter :lol

https://i.redd.it/1j2is8cebes41.jpg

:oldlol:

[DoctorP]

Since I love shitting on Bernie, his press manager posted this on twitter :lol

https://i.redd.it/1j2is8cebes41.jpg

:oldlol:

ok boomer.

[RRR3]

Since I love shitting on Bernie, his press manager posted this on twitter :lol

https://i.redd.it/1j2is8cebes41.jpg

:oldlol:
Socialism has this poor old boomer all RILED up.

[DoctorP]

Socialism has this poor old boomer all RILED up.

Boomers gonna boomer.

[CelticBaller]

^ cringe

[DoctorP]

^ cringe

https://i.imgur.com/hFkNmxm.png

[CelticBaller]

It is inarguable that our free market generated more wealth and resulted in a better financial nation than any other country in the history of the world.

I think it's probable that you need a touch of socialism within a predominantly free market society for the optimal result. Has there been any examples of a completely free market society in which the ultra wealthy stepped up and provided for the truly unfortunate? Because in my opinion, that would be the best result for everyone. The problem is too few of the ultra wealthy step up to the extent that they should.

If we did 100% free market then... for example... roads wouldn't exist, at least not nearly to the extent that they do, and our entire country would suffer as a collective. How do you find the balance?

I do know that the further we stray towards socialism, the faster the United States will die. Social Security is a perfect example of failed socialism.

At the end of the day, I think... the world isn't fair. Different people are born with different gifts, obstacles and circumstances... and these are uncontrollable. We should strive for a better world but there is no perfect example and if Bernie Sanders had his way to the full extent that he wants it, this country would collapse even faster than it is already going to.

Government funding has been a thing way before socialism was even thought of

I think people need to research what socialism actually is before falling for the internet okie doke

[CelticBaller]

https://i.imgur.com/hFkNmxm.png

Is this another one of your oversized senseless pictures?

[DoctorP]

Is this another one of your oversized senseless pictures?

yes, boomer

[CelticBaller]

Im 25 lol

But I guess for a 13 year old that is considered old

[DoctorP]

Im 25 lol

But I guess for a 13 year old that is considered old

:lol

geez. you must listen to your old man a lot.
good boy.

https://media.giphy.com/media/azj0iGdCiN2N2/giphy.gif

[John Connor]

It is inarguable that our free market generated more wealth and resulted in a better financial nation than any other country in the history of the world.

That being said, I think it's probable that you need a touch of socialism within a predominantly free market society for the optimal result. Have there been any examples of a completely free market society in which the ultra wealthy stepped up and provided for the truly unfortunate across the board? Because in my opinion, that would be the best result for everyone. People doing the right thing without anyone forcing their hand. If you use the government to force people's hand, you ultimately end up drafting too many laws that have far too many unintended consequences. An example would be... without all of the laws surrounding healthcare and drugs on the federal level, companies wouldn't be able to have monopolies on life saving drugs that people need to live. If you abolished all the laws, you would get lower drug prices because other people would figure out how to manufacture them and not price gouge. And more people would be able to afford what they needed.

All that being said, one big problem is too few of the ultra wealthy step up to the extent that they should... if any of them. There is no need to go to the grave with a net worth millions of dollars. I mean I don't know exactly where the cut off is but that's just ridiculous. But I don't think the government should step in. People should just do the right thing. But most people don't do the right thing. Where does that leave us?

If we did 100% free market then... for example... roads wouldn't exist, at least not nearly to the extent that they do, and our entire country would suffer as a collective. How do you find the balance?

I do know that the further we stray towards socialism, the faster the United States will die. Social Security is a perfect example of failed socialism.

At the end of the day, I think... the world isn't fair. And that's kind of the crux of the issue, because people don't want to accept that cold hard fact. And it is a fact. It's not an opinion. No amount of government intervention... no amount of laws, no amount of crying, no amount of fighting, no amount of wishing it were so... will ever make the world fair. Ever. That would require literal divine intervention and I wouldn't hold my breath. Death is what makes life fair and the great equalizer.

Different people are born with different gifts, obstacles and circumstances... and these are uncontrollable. We can't fix that unless we are able to genetically modify with 100% control people on a cellular level before they're even born.

We should always strive for a better world but there is no perfect example and if Bernie Sanders had his way to the full extent that he wants it, this country would collapse even faster than it is already going to.

If anything, right now? We need more free market and less socialism. A lot of people think we live in a capitalistic society... we don't. We used to... but more and more laws have been passed over the years and it has eroded. We have corporate socialism and we're bordering on complete socialism. That might sound ridiculous but when you consider the federal reserve is purchasing up assets left and right, printing money left and right... that surely isn't free market/capitalism. That is straight up socialism.

[John Connor]

Government funding has been a thing way before socialism was even thought of

I think people need to research what socialism actually is before falling for the internet okie doke



Government funding being a thing before the term/idea was thought of doesn't mean it wasn't socialism to an extent... of course it was.

[Phong]

Government funding has been a thing way before socialism was even thought of

I think people need to research what socialism actually is before falling for the internet okie doke That's a big reason why so many uninformed people like the idea of "socialism". They don't know what it is and equate it with public services and welfare programs.

With their broad "understanding" (or misunderstanding) of it, you could argue that any governmental action is socialism. :facepalm

[John Connor]

That's a big reason why so many uninformed people like the idea of "socialism". They don't know what it is and equate it with public services and welfare programs.

With their broad "understanding" (or misunderstanding) of it, you could argue that any governmental action is socialism. :facepalm

Any government action/intervention is essentially socialism. How is it not?

[RRR3]

Im 52 lol

But I guess for a 13 year old that is considered old
Fixed.

[diamenz]

one cool thing about biden is that he can hide his own easter eggs.

[diamenz]

CNN Finally Covers Sexual Assault Allegations Against Biden, Had Nearly 700 Articles On Kavanaugh Accusations (https://www.dailywire.com/news/cnn-finally-covers-sexual-assault-allegations-against-biden-had-nearly-700-articles-on-kavanaugh-accusations)

[RRR3]

Time for Biden to drop out. The Democrats need to be able to claim the moral high ground without looking like hypocrites.

[Phong]

CNN Finally Covers Sexual Assault Allegations Against Biden, Had Nearly 700 Articles On Kavanaugh Accusations (https://www.dailywire.com/news/cnn-finally-covers-sexual-assault-allegations-against-biden-had-nearly-700-articles-on-kavanaugh-accusations)Their explanation for not covering the accusations against Biden is ridiculous.

"We didn't cover the story because the public hadn't heard about it..."

..because media outlets ignored it :facepalm

[RRR3]

CNN is a joke.

[Long Duck Dong]

Can someone fill me in? Did any of Trump's or Brett Kavanaugh's accusers ever go to the police? I honestly don't know. Making a false statement to police is a crime, so you would think those type of rape accusations would be taken more seriously and hold more credibility.

[Manny98]

Imagine supporting a child predator and a rapist :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Imagine supporting a child predator and a rapist :oldlol:
Literally both the two main candidates are accused rapists and possible pedophiles.

[~primetime~]

I think Biden will benefit from the fact that the country has rape accusation burn out.

I just can't summon up the energy to look into this...

Maybe if a few more women suddenly pop up I'll raise an eyebrow

[TheMan]

Literally both the two main candidates are accused rapists and possible pedophiles.

Yeah but Manny is a low IQ Trump supporter who ignores Trump's own sexual misconduct :oldlol:

Trump literally has almost 20 women who claim he sexually assaulted him and he was friends with and attented parties thrown by known pedophile Jeffrey Epstein...but of course let's ignore that.

[Hawker]

I think Biden will benefit from the fact that the country has rape accusation burn out.

I just can't summon up the energy to look into this...

Maybe if a few more women suddenly pop up I'll raise an eyebrow

This.

Neither have been convicted so let's go with innocent until proven guilty.

[Patrick Chewing]

If I haven't said this in this thread before, well, I believe her.

[Phong]

It's funny that the outraged mob suddenly doesn't have the energy to write articles or look into the accusations.

Had the accusations been made against the other side of the political aisle, I bet they would suddenly feel energized.

[Rolando]

Hypocracy. What a trainwreck. The Democrats are mounting the weakest challenge ever. Meanwhile Trump is putting out brilliant stuff attacking Pelosi.....and it is spot on too. As a Marxist / Progressive, I'm just going to sit back and watch the show. That's all anyone can do at this point.

[ArbitraryWater]

Hypocracy. What a trainwreck. The Democrats are mounting the weakest challenge ever. Meanwhile Trump is putting out brilliant stuff attacking Pelosi.....and it is spot on too. As a Marxist / Progressive, I'm just going to sit back and watch the show. That's all anyone can do at this point.

AND vote for Trump!

[Manny98]

Literally both the two main candidates are accused rapists and possible pedophiles.
The evidence against Trump is not convincing at all

Biden on the other hand


https://youtu.be/KQ-YjGmpO4Q

Yikes, I wouldn't want this creep within a 10 mile radius near my child :oldlol:

[Rolando]

AND vote for Trump!

It turns out, as a Progressive and pro-Labor person, I don't like Trump. True, he did attempt to address trade issues with China, but in general, his policies benefit the wealthy and not the middle class and working people.

There is no candidate for me to support here. Although Biden is microscopically better than Trump on some social issues, it is not enough. Best thing for the country is for the Democrats to lose again. They simply are not doing their job. That job is to provide a solid counterpoint to the "trickle down" philosophy of the Republicans. Instead of providing this much needed balance within the government, they ignore the issue entirely.....and the social issues they focus on are simply not enough to motivate me. Money and wealth are more important to me than same sex marriage, gun control and abortion. IDGAF. I want a publicly funded healthcare system. I want a publicly funded higher education system. I want corporations and wealthy individuals to be highly taxed. The playing field needs some leveling and the Democratic Party, as it currently stands, is not up to the task.

[ZenMaster]

It turns out, as a Progressive and pro-Labor person, I don't like Trump. True, he did attempt to address trade issues with China, but in general, his policies benefit the wealthy and not the middle class and working people.

There is no candidate for me to support here. Although Biden is microscopically better than Trump on some social issues, it is not enough. Best thing for the country is for the Democrats to lose again. They simply are not doing their job. That job is to provide a solid counterpoint to the "trickle down" philosophy of the Republicans. Instead of providing this much needed balance within the government, they ignore the issue entirely.....and the social issues they focus on are simply not enough to motivate me. Money and wealth are more important to me than same sex marriage, gun control and abortion. IDGAF. I want a publicly funded healthcare system. I want a publicly funded higher education system. I want corporations and wealthy individuals to be highly taxed. The playing field needs some leveling and the Democratic Party, as it currently stands, is not up to the task.

I'm curious, why would you rather want corporations to be highly taxed, vs instead paying out a higher salary for the people they employ?

[Rolando]

I'm curious, why would you rather want corporations to be highly taxed, vs instead paying out a higher salary for the people they employ?

Ok...Yes. I am also for higher wages. Absolutely. I would accept that compromise. Splitting the profits more equitably between Labor and Managment is an excellent idea. I have nothing against it, at all.

In the end, it doesn't matter exactly how we get there, I just want a bigger share of the wealth of the country to be sent in the direction of the people who actually do the work. I want to see the middle class growing not shrinking. That's the American Dream.

[RRR3]

Yeah but Manny is a low IQ Trump supporter who ignores Trump's own sexual misconduct :oldlol:

Trump literally has almost 20 women who claim he sexually assaulted him and he was friends with and attented parties thrown by known pedophile Jeffrey Epstein...but of course let's ignore that.
Manny’s IQ isn’t above 90 at best.

[MaxFly]

It turns out, as a Progressive and pro-Labor person, I don't like Trump. True, he did attempt to address trade issues with China, but in general, his policies benefit the wealthy and not the middle class and working people.

There is no candidate for me to support here. Although Biden is microscopically better than Trump on some social issues, it is not enough. Best thing for the country is for the Democrats to lose again. They simply are not doing their job. That job is to provide a solid counterpoint to the "trickle down" philosophy of the Republicans. Instead of providing this much needed balance within the government, they ignore the issue entirely.....and the social issues they focus on are simply not enough to motivate me. Money and wealth are more important to me than same sex marriage, gun control and abortion. IDGAF. I want a publicly funded healthcare system. I want a publicly funded higher education system. I want corporations and wealthy individuals to be highly taxed. The playing field needs some leveling and the Democratic Party, as it currently stands, is not up to the task.

Do you foresee legal challenges being waged to stymie and dismantle any progress that is eventually made towards a publicly funded healthcare system in the future?

[Rolando]

Do you foresee legal challenges being waged to stymie and dismantle any progress that is eventually made towards a publicly funded healthcare system in the future?

The companies that are profiting from the current system aren't going to let go without a fight. They already pump lots of money into the political system: Both Parties.

The strategy that Bernie adopted is to push to have a completely public system which eliminates the private insurance companies entirely. Realistically, "Medicare For All" would never happen but rather there would end up being a Public system running in parallel to a Private system. This would be an excellent result. But, to get there, you have to have a strong negotiating position. Hence, Bernie's strategy.

Still, the private insurance companies will fight this with everything they have. Even though it is objective reality that people end up paying less as part of a Public system, they will fight this truth with a massive PR campaign to smear the public concept in every way possible. It is up to the people to not be fooled.

Throw in the pharmaceutical companies who also have been riding the gravy train and who also will be fighting with everything they have to keep raking in enormous profits and you have an incredibly uphill battle to get a public healthcare system in place.

With Bernie leaving the presidential race, the dream is pretty much dead in the water anyway. They won.

[Duderonomy]

I'm curious, why would you rather want corporations to be highly taxed, vs instead paying out a higher salary for the people they employ?
That isn't how it works. People with copious amounts of money have no desire to look after the well being of less fortunate people they never interact with.

Not that the mainline DNC leader would solve that, most of them are globalist and have invested their money in other countries and could care less about the plight of American communities.

[ZenMaster]

Ok...Yes. I am also for higher wages. Absolutely. I would accept that compromise. Splitting the profits more equitably between Labor and Managment is an excellent idea. I have nothing against it, at all.

In the end, it doesn't matter exactly how we get there, I just want a bigger share of the wealth of the country to be sent in the direction of the people who actually do the work. I want to see the middle class growing not shrinking. That's the American Dream.

I'm totally with you on the end goal, but I think it matters a lot how you get there and I find it very important that higher wages are paid out to people vs given in tax for the government, for them to then give back to the people. Two main issues:

1) The likelihood and scale of corruption increases, the more money flows through a government.

2) If you pay out low wages but a lot in tax, you'll end up in a system where people are depending on the government and thus less free than in the alternative. Yes, the services provided by the government might be a lot better, but you're still dependent.
Psychologically, on a mass scale, people would be more proud of themselves and thus generally feel better if they could take care of themselves and their families through their earned wages, than if they are to take the same money through government services.

Same concept as working 40-50 hours, and still having to take food stamps provided by the government through tax money(that both you and the corporation you work for pay) to make ends meet. In the end you get there by combining your salary with with the government service, but I can't imagine how shitty I'd feel if I worked 40 hours for some corporation that makes a lot of money, but still have to make use of a government service to get food.

Well run unions, and political parties that support their existence, I think is the way to go.

[ZenMaster]

That isn't how it works. People with copious amounts of money have no desire to look after the well being of less fortunate people they never interact with.

Not that the mainline DNC leader would solve that, most of them are globalist and have invested their money in other countries and could care less about the plight of American communities.

That isn't how it works currently, you're absolutely right, which is why I was a bit surprised to see so many people argue against tariffs implemented by the current US president, putting extra tax on products of companies who has their production mainly in Asia, while selling their products within the US.

[Rolando]

Very well said. I agree with this.


I'm totally with you on the end goal, but I think it matters a lot how you get there and I find it very important that higher wages are paid out to people vs given in tax for the government, for them to then give back to the people. Two main issues:

1) The likelihood and scale of corruption increases, the more money flows through a government.

2) If you pay out low wages but a lot in tax, you'll end up in a system where people are depending on the government and thus less free than in the alternative. Yes, the services provided by the government might be a lot better, but you're still dependent.
Psychologically, on a mass scale, people would be more proud of themselves and thus generally feel better if they could take care of themselves and their families through their earned wages, than if they are to take the same money through government services.

Same concept as working 40-50 hours, and still having to take food stamps provided by the government through tax money(that both you and the corporation you work for pay) to make ends meet. In the end you get there by combining your salary with with the government service, but I can't imagine how shitty I'd feel if I worked 40 hours for some corporation that makes a lot of money, but still have to make use of a government service to get food.

Well run unions, and political parties that support their existence, I think is the way to go.

[Hey Yo]

https://www.shutupandtakemymoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/im-joe-biden-and-i-forgot-this-message-meme.jpg


:lol:lol:lol:lol

[Hawker]

Ok...Yes. I am also for higher wages. Absolutely. I would accept that compromise. Splitting the profits more equitably between Labor and Managment is an excellent idea. I have nothing against it, at all.

In the end, it doesn't matter exactly how we get there, I just want a bigger share of the wealth of the country to be sent in the direction of the people who actually do the work. I want to see the middle class growing not shrinking. That's the American Dream.

Curious but do you not believe that the US has a pretty progressive tax system? It's been rated the most or one of the most progressive tax systems in the OECD for awhile now.

Lots of people "actually do the work" in the US btw. It isn't just the janitor that's keeping a business together.

[Jasper]

fake news ...

Just like Trump married an American

[bladefd]

I'm curious, why would you rather want corporations to be highly taxed, vs instead paying out a higher salary for the people they employ?

I think most of us would prefer the latter, but it never works out that way. You give a corporation a tax-cut, they usually respond with larger bonuses for executives or stock buybacks. It almost never trickles down to higher salaries for employees. "Trick"le down economics is exactly what it says - a 'trick'


This is exactly why I don't want employers being involved in healthcare - they choose which insurance companies they want to do business with so they choose whichever insurance benefits them the most. Dunno which fools decided to link healthcare with employer/work

[ZenMaster]

I think most of us would prefer the latter, but it never works out that way. You give a corporation a tax-cut, they usually respond with larger bonuses for executives or stock buybacks. It almost never trickles down to higher salaries for employees. "Trick"le down economics is exactly what it says - a 'trick'


This is exactly why I don't want employers being involved in healthcare - they choose which insurance companies they want to do business with so they choose whichever insurance benefits them the most. Dunno which fools decided to link healthcare with employer/work

You're seeing ghosts, I didn't say anything about tax cuts.

[Hawker]

I think most of us would prefer the latter, but it never works out that way. You give a corporation a tax-cut, they usually respond with larger bonuses for executives or stock buybacks. It almost never trickles down to higher salaries for employees. "Trick"le down economics is exactly what it says - a 'trick'


This is exactly why I don't want employers being involved in healthcare - they choose which insurance companies they want to do business with so they choose whichever insurance benefits them the most. Dunno which fools decided to link healthcare with employer/work

I feel like if you're going to comment on healthcare as much as have you should be educated enough to understand where this came from. Or at least have the self awareness to take the initiative and research yourself.

FDR (democrat) instituted wage freezes but listed an exemption for insurance. Thus companies started offering employees insurance to retain employees or incentivize them to come work for someone else.

Employer healthcare was an unintended consequence of government intervention - something politicians don't think of whenever they write laws.

[tpols]

it seems like every president candidate gets accused of rape nowadays.

it's like a ritual at this point.

it's a human phenomenom, very often used form of blackmail and character deprecation.

[MaxFly]

The companies that are profiting from the current system aren't going to let go without a fight. They already pump lots of money into the political system: Both Parties.

The strategy that Bernie adopted is to push to have a completely public system which eliminates the private insurance companies entirely. Realistically, "Medicare For All" would never happen but rather there would end up being a Public system running in parallel to a Private system. This would be an excellent result. But, to get there, you have to have a strong negotiating position. Hence, Bernie's strategy.

Still, the private insurance companies will fight this with everything they have. Even though it is objective reality that people end up paying less as part of a Public system, they will fight this truth with a massive PR campaign to smear the public concept in every way possible. It is up to the people to not be fooled.

Throw in the pharmaceutical companies who also have been riding the gravy train and who also will be fighting with everything they have to keep raking in enormous profits and you have an incredibly uphill battle to get a public healthcare system in place.

With Bernie leaving the presidential race, the dream is pretty much dead in the water anyway. They won.

Practically speaking, which party is more likely to install judges who would uphold attempts to create a public option?

[Rolando]

Curious but do you not believe that the US has a pretty progressive tax system? It's been rated the most or one of the most progressive tax systems in the OECD for awhile now.

Lots of people "actually do the work" in the US btw. It isn't just the janitor that's keeping a business together.

Sure, the US Tax system is "progressive" in that those with less ability to pay, pay less tax than those with more ability to pay. This has nothing to do with "Progressive" politics however.

In the 70's and 80's when I was growing up, the corporate tax rate was between 45 and 50%. From 1990 until Trump, the corporate rate was about 35%. Currently, the corporate tax rate is 21%. I would really, really like to have the corporate tax rate to go back up. Let's shoot for 40% and use these extra taxes to fund a proper healthcare system. Let's take care of some freaking infrastructure.

The people who are making a boatload of money these day are people who play the stock market. They have money and simply plug it in to the system and reap incredible profits without contributing jack shtt to anything. They don't do the "actual work". They are living off of family money within a system that increasingly is being skewed to their advantage. THOSE ARE NOT MY PEOPLE. My people are working class and middle class people. I want the political system to do more to support "my people".

[Hawker]

Sure, the US Tax system is "progressive" in that those with less ability to pay, pay less tax than those with more ability to pay. This has nothing to do with "Progressive" politics however.

In the 70's and 80's when I was growing up, the corporate tax rate was between 45 and 50%. From 1990 until Trump, the corporate rate was about 35%. Currently, the corporate tax rate is 21%. I would really, really like to have the corporate tax rate to go back up. Let's shoot for 40% and use these extra taxes to fund a proper healthcare system. Let's take care of some freaking infrastructure.

The people who are making a boatload of money these day are people who play the stock market. They have money and simply plug it in to the system and reap incredible profits without contributing jack shtt to anything. They don't do the "actual work". They are living off of family money within a system that increasingly is being skewed to their advantage. THOSE ARE NOT MY PEOPLE. My people are working class and middle class people. I want the political system to do more to support "my people".

The US currently sits at just below average as far as Corporate tax rates go for the OECD. There are multiple countries with tax rates around there that seem to have a proper healthcare system which the US already has. I don’t see how the 40% helps and at the same time keeps the US globally competitive (it’s not the 70s anymore), promotes growth and keeps people employed.

[Rolando]

The US currently sits at just below average as far as Corporate tax rates go for the OECD. There are multiple countries with tax rates around there that seem to have a proper healthcare system which the US already has. I don’t see how the 40% helps and at the same time keeps the US globally competitive (it’s not the 70s anymore), promotes growth and keeps people employed.

The US doesn't have a proper healthcare system. Are all people insured? How do the costs compare the to rest of the world? From the perspective of the wealthy, of course it is proper and affordable. From the perspective of "my people" it is a bullsht system. We are not satisfied. Co-pays are stupid. Dental insurance seperate from health insurance is absurd. Losing your health insurance when your are unemployed is unacceptable. These factors indicate to me that the current healtcare system is only "proper" if you are wealthy enough to afford it.

I see companies like Amazon who do huge business and make huge profits in the US but somehow pay little to no taxes. In parallel, a company like Amazon seeks to employ as few people as possible. So, although they extract incredible profits, they contribute nothing in return, not even jobs if they have their way. My people don't like this. When there are profits, there should also be taxes. These taxes, in any case, should be higher than the current rate of 21%!!!!! This is insane.

[Hawker]

The US doesn't have a proper healthcare system. Are all people insured? How do the costs compare the to rest of the world? From the perspective of the wealthy, of course it is proper and affordable. From the perspective of "my people" it is a bullsht system. We are not satisfied. Co-pays are stupid. Dental insurance seperate from health insurance is absurd. Losing your health insurance when your are unemployed is unacceptable. These factors indicate to me that the current healtcare system is only "proper" if you are wealthy enough to afford it.

I see companies like Amazon who do huge business and make huge profits in the US but somehow pay little to no taxes. In parallel, a company like Amazon seeks to employ as few people as possible. So, although they extract incredible profits, they contribute nothing in return, not even jobs if they have their way. My people don't like this. When there are profits, there should also be taxes. These taxes, in any case, should be higher than the current rate of 21%!!!!! This is insane.

You live in Germany dude so try not to pretend you're part of "the people." You're also a marxist which is a failed ideology.

Dental insurance being separate from health insurance is quite common. Co-pays are quite common as well. Separating health insurance from employment would be a good idea.

Any comment on why countries with tax rates much lower than 40% can still pay for healthcare? BTW - the tax rates were dropped quite severely but back when the tax rate was high in "your day" there were a lot more exemptions and ways to get around the higher tax rates.

Quick search shows Amazon is employing 798,000 people. Do you not consider that a lot? https://craft.co/amazoncom

[bladefd]

I feel like if you're going to comment on healthcare as much as have you should be educated enough to understand where this came from. Or at least have the self awareness to take the initiative and research yourself.

FDR (democrat) instituted wage freezes but listed an exemption for insurance. Thus companies started offering employees insurance to retain employees or incentivize them to come work for someone else.

Employer healthcare was an unintended consequence of government intervention - something politicians don't think of whenever they write laws.

Seems it is more complex than that.


One of the most important spurs to growth of employment-based health benefits was—like many other innovations—an unintended outgrowth of actions taken for other reasons during World War II (Somers and Somers, 1961; Munts, 1967; Starr, 1982; Weir et al., 1988). In 1943 the War Labor Board, which had one year earlier introduced wage and price controls, ruled that contributions to insurance and pension funds did not count as wages. In a war economy with labor shortages, employer contributions for employee health benefits became a means of maneuvering around wage controls. By the end of the war, health coverage had tripled (Weir et al., 1988).

For a variety of reasons, unions began a push for employer provision and funding of health and other benefits that employers strongly resisted. In an action that was a blow to union control of health plans and a stimulus to employer-controlled programs, the Taft-Hartley Act of 1947 banned union control of welfare funds based on employer contributions. On the positive side, an attempt to explicitly exclude employee benefits from the requirement for collective bargaining failed, and the law retained the vague language of the 1935 National Labor Relations Act that required management to bargain on "wages and conditions of employment." The law also established regulations for joint employer-union control of plans involving multiple employers.

Health and welfare benefits were major factors in a wave of postwar strikes and other conflicts with employers over what bargaining on "conditions of employment" involved.16 Key National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) rulings in 1948 clarified the matter. The NLRB held, in a case involving Inland Steel Company and the United Steel Workers, that federal law required employers to bargain over pensions. Shortly after that, the board ruled likewise for health insurance benefits. The Supreme Court upheld the NLRB in 1949. Still, over half the strikes in 1949 and the first part of 1950 were related to health and welfare issues (Weir et al., 1988). During the 1949 steelworkers strike, a fact-finding board appointed by the President firmly supported the union position on bargaining, and the steel companies began to settle.

Health insurance and other fringe benefits were on their way to becoming a standard feature of employment. A number of unions continued to sponsor health centers and other programs, but most focused on the employer-sponsored programs. A further important boost to these programs came in 1954 when the Internal Revenue Code made it clear that employers' contributions for health benefit plans were generally tax deductible as a business expense and were to be excluded from employees' taxable income. Between 1950 and 1965, employer outlays for health care rose from 0.5 to 1.5 percent of total employee compensation.

[bladefd]

So essentially, FDR froze wages during ww2. Feds during ww2 said that other benefits (like health insurance and pension benefits) provided by employer wouldn't be considered a part of wages so freeze doesn't apply there. Very few people had health insurance up to and through that point, but you are right that gave employers incentive to provide insurance to retain employees. I would think this would be temporary because wage freeze didn't last long.

Then of course Feds went extra step in 1954 by making it tax-deductible for employer to provide health insurance, which made it permanent. FDR wasn't alive in 54 but Republican Dwight Eisenhower was.

[Rolando]

You live in Germany dude so try not to pretend you're part of "the people." You're also a marxist which is a failed ideology.

Dental insurance being separate from health insurance is quite common. Co-pays are quite common as well. Separating health insurance from employment would be a good idea.

Any comment on why countries with tax rates much lower than 40% can still pay for healthcare? BTW - the tax rates were dropped quite severely but back when the tax rate was high in "your day" there were a lot more exemptions and ways to get around the higher tax rates.

Quick search shows Amazon is employing 798,000 people. Do you not consider that a lot? https://craft.co/amazoncom

Yes. I am an American living in Germany. True. I am very, very interested in making the situation better in the US so that when I move back, I can enjoy the same kinds of social benefits that exist here in Germany.

I am a Socialist, Marxist, Leftist....whatever you like. I fight for the workers. I fight for the middle class. Perhaps that's where my logic is faulty: You don't truly get a "middle class" in a Marxist framework. So....you got me there. But you do get a strong middle class when things are correctly balanced in a capitalist system like has previously existed in the US. As it stands currently, the system in the US is skewed too much towards the wealthy. This should be obvious to anybody.

I have to laugh at you directly however when you say.....blah blah blah "is quite common" and also blah blah blah "is quite common". Dude, "is quite common" is no substitute for a properly supported argument. Dental insurance seperate from health insurance ISN'T quite common.

Whatever. The fact is that I am fighting for a better and more secure life for working and middle class people in the US. I would really like to return and not have to worry about healtcare in my old age. I have paid a lot of taxes and social security in the US. Also here in Germany. I worked hard for a long time now. And, I will probably work for quite some time further. I simply don't want to have to worry about such a fundamental and universal thing like healthcare.

[Hawker]

Yes. I am an American living in Germany. True. I am very, very interested in making the situation better in the US so that when I move back, I can enjoy the same kinds of social benefits that exist here in Germany.

I am a Socialist, Marxist, Leftist....whatever you like. I fight for the workers. I fight for the middle class. Perhaps that's where my logic is faulty: You don't truly get a "middle class" in a Marxist framework. So....you got me there. But you do get a strong middle class when things are correctly balanced in a capitalist system like has previously existed in the US. As it stands currently, the system in the US is skewed too much towards the wealthy. This should be obvious to anybody.

I have to laugh at you directly however when you say.....blah blah blah "is quite common" and also blah blah blah "is quite common". Dude, "is quite common" is no substitute for a properly supported argument. Dental insurance seperate from health insurance ISN'T quite common.

Whatever. The fact is that I am fighting for a better and more secure life for working and middle class people in the US. I would really like to return and not have to worry about healtcare in my old age. I have paid a lot of taxes and social security in the US. Also here in Germany. I worked hard for a long time now. And, I will probably work for quite some time further. I simply don't want to have to worry about such a fundamental and universal thing like healthcare.

Emotions over logic. Got it. Doesn’t sound like you’re fighting for middle class but for yourself.

[Phong]

Doesn’t sound like you’re fighting for middle class but for yourself. Bingo!

[Hawker]

Bingo!

"I'm fighting for the middle class. I want that same middle class to pay for my healthcare!!!"

[Rolando]

Emotions over logic. Got it. Doesn’t sound like you’re fighting for middle class but for yourself.

Ahhhh. Well done. Very nice. I was wondering how you would extricate yourself from this discussion. I appreciate that you at least resisted constructing some sort of strawman. Instead, you decided to dismiss my argument as "emotional". Somehow your friend (alt?) comes in as wing man to help your escape.

In any case, opposition to the "trickle down" philosophy of the Republicans and mainstream Democrats is a rare and valuable ingredient that I am trying to add to the general discussion here. You haven't presented much to counter. I understand fully that you may be a fortunate individual who directly benefits from the current political situation. I have wealthy friends who vote Republican and it makes sense that they continue to do so. However, the vast majority of us here on this board and society in general are getting the short end of the deal. I will continue to point that out......Very emotionally of course.

[Overdrive]

I think it's a pity that there's no chance for a third candidate. How can anyone vote for Biden, rape or no rape, he's just the same corporate shill as any other candidate(including Trump).

[RRR3]

I think it's a pity that there's no chance for a third candidate. How can anyone vote for Biden, rape or no rape, he's just the same corporate shill as any other candidate(including Trump).
Many Bernie supporters, including myself, are voting for the Green Party (or writing in Bernie or voting for another party).

Biden has zero chance of winning my state of Missouri, which I tell anyone who attacks me for not voting "blue no matter who"

[Manny98]

I think it's a pity that there's no chance for a third candidate. How can anyone vote for Biden, rape or no rape, he's just the same corporate shill as any other candidate(including Trump).

How can anyone not vote for Trump :facepalm

[Hawker]

Ahhhh. Well done. Very nice. I was wondering how you would extricate yourself from this discussion. I appreciate that you at least resisted constructing some sort of strawman. Instead, you decided to dismiss my argument as "emotional". Somehow your friend (alt?) comes in as wing man to help your escape.

In any case, opposition to the "trickle down" philosophy of the Republicans and mainstream Democrats is a rare and valuable ingredient that I am trying to add to the general discussion here. You haven't presented much to counter. I understand fully that you may be a fortunate individual who directly benefits from the current political situation. I have wealthy friends who vote Republican and it makes sense that they continue to do so. However, the vast majority of us here on this board and society in general are getting the short end of the deal. I will continue to point that out......Very emotionally of course.

You never addressed anything in regards to Amazon. You say, "I want this" and then you get asked to explain it or have some perspective on how it's paid for you and dodge it.

Germany has high taxes on the middle class as does every other country that has "publicly funded healthcare." It's not paid for by a 40% corporate tax rate. That's what you don't understand.

You masquerade as caring for the middle class but all you want is healthcare for yourself. Selfish indeed. The middle class would be paying for that.

If you live in Germany in your 50s like you say, you're not getting some shitty end of the deal. You're doing ok in life so stop pretending you're oppressed.

[Hawker]

https://theintercept.com/2020/04/24/new-evidence-tara-reade-joe-biden/


The intercept dropping another bomb.


KING: San Luis Obispo, California, hello.

CALLER: Yes, hello. I’m wondering what a staffer would do besides go to the press in Washington? My daughter has just left there, after working for a prominent senator, and could not get through with her problems at all, and the only thing she could have done was go to the press, and she chose not to do it out of respect for him.

KING: In other words, she had a story to tell but, out of respect for the person she worked for, she didn’t tell it?

CALLER: That’s true.

[RRR3]

https://theintercept.com/2020/04/24/new-evidence-tara-reade-joe-biden/


The intercept dropping another bomb.
Time to drop out, Joe. Bernie's got it from here.

[Overdrive]

How can anyone not vote for Trump :facepalm

I'm sure you'd love dictatorship. Turn your brain off and just obey the rules, however stupid they may be.

[Phong]

https://theintercept.com/2020/04/24/new-evidence-tara-reade-joe-biden/


The intercept dropping another bomb. Not a single Biden supporter will address this. :rolleyes:

[RRR3]

Not a single Biden supporter will address this. :rolleyes:
Are we pretending you guys don’t do the same thing with Trump?

[Phong]

Are we pretending you guys don’t do the same thing with Trump? You must be blind if you haven't seen Trump supporters addressing all the stories that have been brought up for the past 4 years.

Furthermore, I don't recall any right-leaning posters here acting like they are champions of virtue. Funny that the virtuous left doesn't say a word about substantiated accusations.

[CelticBaller]

Are we pretending you guys don’t do the same thing with Trump?

Do Bernie supporters address his rape essays?

[Phong]

Do Bernie supporters address his rape essays?:roll:

[RRR3]

You must be blind if you haven't seen Trump supporters addressing all the stories that have been brought up for the past 4 years.

Furthermore, I don't recall any right-leaning posters here acting like they are champions of virtue. Funny that the virtuous left doesn't say a word about substantiated accusations.
Most of us who are actually left-wing think Biden's accuser should be taken seriously and he should end his campaign.

[RRR3]

I am furious my hero Biden was accused of rape so I will desperately try to equate a satirical essay Bernie wrote criticizing gender roles and sexism as being on the same level as actual rape
We know. Enjoy losing in November. You wanted this, remember.

[Phong]

Most of us who are actually left-wing think Biden's accuser should be taken seriously and he should end his campaign. You're the only one here that I've seen but that's because you're a Bernie supporter.

[Phong]

People are quick. Video footage of the on-air call has been found.


https://youtu.be/aivzaeV8qxY

Will CNN wait a month before they run the story this time?

[RRR3]

You're the only one here that I've seen but that's because you're a Bernie supporter.
I would imagine some of the other Bernie supporters on here would express similar sentiments if you asked them.

[CelticBaller]

We know. Enjoy losing in November. You wanted this, remember.

One guy openly wrote a rape essay

The other guy is accused by some Putin lover who’s story is flimsy as ****


Yeah I know who to believe all right

[RRR3]

one guy openly wrote a rape essay

the other guy is accused by some putin lover who’s story is flimsy as ****


yeah i know who to believe all right
russia did it!!!!1!1!1!1

[CelticBaller]

russia did it!!!!1!1!1!1
Says the guy who was pushing the Russia-Trump agenda :oldlol:

The irony here is gold

[RRR3]

Says the guy who was pushing the Russia-Trump agenda :oldlol:

The irony here is gold
Russia isn't responsible for everything, bub.

[Hawker]

https://i2.wp.com/thepoptopic.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/fbN4q6aJ_400x400.jpg?resize=640%2C640&ssl=1

Tara Reade was a babe. Biden at least had good taste.

[Rolando]

You never addressed anything in regards to Amazon. You say, "I want this" and then you get asked to explain it or have some perspective on how it's paid for you and dodge it.

Germany has high taxes on the middle class as does every other country that has "publicly funded healthcare." It's not paid for by a 40% corporate tax rate. That's what you don't understand.

You masquerade as caring for the middle class but all you want is healthcare for yourself. Selfish indeed. The middle class would be paying for that.

If you live in Germany in your 50s like you say, you're not getting some shitty end of the deal. You're doing ok in life so stop pretending you're oppressed.

Hawker dude....just stop. This is me replying to your crap from 2 days ago: "I see companies like Amazon who do huge business and make huge profits in the US but somehow pay little to no taxes. In parallel, a company like Amazon seeks to employ as few people as possible. So, although they extract incredible profits, they contribute nothing in return, not even jobs if they have their way."

For the rest of you, here's Vic DiBitteto summing things up perfectly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PTafd3vkOg

[Hawker]

Hawker dude....just stop. This is me replying to your crap from 2 days ago: "I see companies like Amazon who do huge business and make huge profits in the US but somehow pay little to no taxes. In parallel, a company like Amazon seeks to employ as few people as possible. So, although they extract incredible profits, they contribute nothing in return, not even jobs if they have their way."

For the rest of you, here's Vic DiBitteto summing things up perfectly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PTafd3vkOg

They employ 789,000 and has been on an increasing trend over the years. Do you deny this?

Try formulating your own opinion instead of a youtube video. Just admit you can't argue specifics and try to be as vague as possible.

[Patrick Chewing]

Why isn’t the media seething and frothing at the mouth at Biden as they were with Kavanaugh?? I don’t get it.

[DoctorP]

https://i2.wp.com/thepoptopic.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/fbN4q6aJ_400x400.jpg?resize=640%2C640&ssl=1

Tara Reade was a babe. Biden at least had good taste.

:rockon:

[bladefd]

:rockon:

She is definitely someone who Lil Donny would grab by the pu$$y if the two ever met

[DoctorP]

She is definitely someone who Lil Donny would grab by the pu$$y if the two ever met

probably would be feening all over that like a bitch in heat

[DoctorP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFAMbwbYQE8

[DoctorP]

She is definitely someone who Lil Donny would grab by the pu$$y if the two ever met


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LLTbjJD2No&t=124s

[TheMan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFAMbwbYQE8
:roll:

Don't agree with the Don that often but agree with his take on Rosie O

[Long Duck Dong]

I have my doubts that Biden ever sexually assaulted this woman. I'm guessing sexually harrassed if anything but it's still funny to see Hollywood turn on itself over their hypocrisy.

Rose McGowan going in on Alyssa Milano


"You are a fraud," McGowan tweeted. "This is about holding the media accountable. You go after Trump & Kavanaugh saying Believe Victims, you are a lie. You have always been a lie. The corrupt DNC is in on the smear job of Tara Reade, so are you. SHAME."


:oldlol:

https://mobile.twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/1247252442812690433?lang=en

[bladefd]

I have my doubts that Biden ever sexually assaulted this woman. I'm guessing sexually harrassed if anything but it's still funny to see Hollywood turn on itself over their hypocrisy.

Rose McGowan going in on Alyssa Milano



:oldlol:

https://mobile.twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/1247252442812690433?lang=en

Not surprised. I always said #metoo was setting up a dangerous precedent that will be exploited by everyone. Well, we are here now. It’s being exploited by women claiming to be victims, by hypocritical fools like Milano, dumbass politicians and everyday people. One advantage Biden has going for him is his opponent, who is on tape saying he would grab random women by the pu$$y because he could get away with anything and the number of sexual attack lawsuits on file. Trump has no grounds to stand on to attack Biden on the women area, but neither does Biden anymore. Both will avoid it like the plague.

[Long Duck Dong]

Not surprised. I always said #metoo was setting up a dangerous precedent that will be exploited by everyone. Well, we are here now. It’s being exploited by women claiming to be victims, by hypocritical fools like Milano, dumbass politicians and everyday people. One advantage Biden has going for him is his opponent, who is on tape saying he would grab random women by the pu$$y because he could get away with anything and the number of sexual attack lawsuits on file. Trump has no grounds to stand on to attack Biden on the women area, but neither does Biden anymore. Both will avoid it like the plague.

True true but has any of Trump's accusers gone to the police? I honestly don't know. I know they've gone to the media, civil damage attorneys and divorce lawyers

[Overdrive]

I have my doubts that Biden ever sexually assaulted this woman. I'm guessing sexually harrassed if anything but it's still funny to see Hollywood turn on itself over their hypocrisy.

Rose McGowan going in on Alyssa Milano



:oldlol:

https://mobile.twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/1247252442812690433?lang=en

In the RTs. Even better.

https://mobile.twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1247284922856820736

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/joe-biden-signs-caa-all-areas-974242

[Long Duck Dong]

In the RTs. Even better.

https://mobile.twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1247284922856820736

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/joe-biden-signs-caa-all-areas-974242

Dayuum! Her face when she says "I dont like her" :oldlol:

[Long Duck Dong]

It's kinda funny seeing Rose rip on Alyssa Milano because Alyssa was the reason Rose McGowan has a platform to begin with. Rose McGowan's film career was nothing special and it was Alyssa booting out Shannon Dougherty that opened up a spot for Rose McGowan to stay relevant and famous.

Time has not been kind to her but man she used to be smoking hot. Loved her pale skin, dark hair, pretty face and big natural boobs. She wasn't thick but she was thick enough

https://i.4pcdn.org/tv/1532053893680.jpg

[Hawker]

Kamala Harris then (less than two years ago) vs. Now



https://www.harris.senate.gov/news/press-releases/senator-harris-statement-on-confirmation-of-judge-brett-kavanaugh


As a former prosecutor, I have led investigations and I have tried these cases in a courtroom. I have spent countless hours with assault survivors. And when I look at what has occurred over these few days, we have fallen short in fulfilling our constitutional duty to fully evaluate Judge Kavanaugh's nomination. This process has been a disservice to Dr. Ford. This process was a disservice to survivors everywhere. And this process has been a disservice to the American people.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/politics/kamala-harris-joe-biden/index.html


"Let's talk about the Joe we know," Harris said Monday as she gave her endorsement of the former vice president. "I am so proud to endorse Joe Biden to be the next president of the United States. I believe in Joe."

[Hawker]

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/former-neighbor-corroborates-joe-bidens-accuser-2020-4?utmSource=twitter&utmContent=referral&utmTerm=topbar&referrer=twitter&r=US&IR=T

Two women have corroborated her story that the allegation was made at the time where nobody could do the same with Blasey Ford.

Tara Reade also filed a senate complaintt form and the file is apparently held at the University of Delaware who won't release it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/biden-should-release-his-papers/610801/

This is more evidence than there ever was with Blasey Ford. Great move by McConnell and the republican senate for confirming Kavanaugh and great move again by them not following through with impeachment.

[fsvr54]

If you're a liberal sjw and you vote for Biden, you are a hypocrite of the highest magnitude.

[Hawker]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/VastLateCondor-size_restricted.gif

[diamenz]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/VastLateCondor-size_restricted.gif

i don't think that hand movement could be any more obvious as to what his intentions were there. old man thinks he's slick... opp research gon' have a field day with this one.

[RRR3]

It's kinda funny seeing Rose rip on Alyssa Milano because Alyssa was the reason Rose McGowan has a platform to begin with. Rose McGowan's film career was nothing special and it was Alyssa booting out Shannon Dougherty that opened up a spot for Rose McGowan to stay relevant and famous.

Time has not been kind to her but man she used to be smoking hot. Loved her pale skin, dark hair, pretty face and big natural boobs. She wasn't thick but she was thick enough

https://i.4pcdn.org/tv/1532053893680.jpg
Rose was a complete smokeshow for sure, and I'm glad she's calling out Alyssa on her hypocrisy.

[RRR3]

If you're a liberal sjw and you vote for Biden, you are a hypocrite of the highest magnitude.
You'd be surprised how many of them don't actually care about social justice when it's inconvenient for their team. Shit like this and, more importantly the corrupt Democratic establishment, is why I'm going to change my party to independent.

[RRR3]

Kamala Harris then (less than two years ago) vs. Now



https://www.harris.senate.gov/news/press-releases/senator-harris-statement-on-confirmation-of-judge-brett-kavanaugh



https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/politics/kamala-harris-joe-biden/index.html
Harris fukcing sucks. Not news.

[CelticBaller]

If you're a liberal sjw and you vote for Biden, you are a hypocrite of the highest magnitude.

We already know that Bernie is a hypocrite

[Hawker]

i don't think that hand movement could be any more obvious as to what his intentions were there. old man thinks he's slick... opp research gon' have a field day with this one.

That is the most ****ed up one. You could sorta explain away some of the others as "affectionate touching" but that one is completely ****ed.

And as you can tell by the body language of the little girl - completely unwanted.

[bladefd]

It's very difficult to be a Trump supporter and trash Biden on his creepy behavior. It will just fall on deaf ears to trash one creep while defending another creep. Same goes for Biden supporters doing the opposite and SJW metoo supporters. You all don't have a platform to stand on. It's just two glass houses and throwing rocks at one another. It's a sad state of affairs tbh

[DoctorP]

is biden gonna have to rape a bitch?

[RRR3]

It's very difficult to be a Trump supporter and trash Biden on his creepy behavior. It will just fall on deaf ears to trash one creep while defending another creep. Same goes for Biden supporters doing the opposite and SJW metoo supporters. You all don't have a platform to stand on. It's just two glass houses and throwing rocks at one another. It's a sad state of affairs tbh
Yep **** both of em.

[Hawker]

It's very difficult to be a Trump supporter and trash Biden on his creepy behavior. It will just fall on deaf ears to trash one creep while defending another creep. Same goes for Biden supporters doing the opposite and SJW metoo supporters. You all don't have a platform to stand on. It's just two glass houses and throwing rocks at one another. It's a sad state of affairs tbh

Trump likes women over 18 dude.

The issue is the double standard of trashing Kavanaugh and then being silent on Biden. Democrats set the #believeallwomen standard.

I'm all good with trashing Republicans when they violate their christian standards but democrats are also setting their own moral standards so it's fair game.

You were one of the ones saying Kavanaugh shouldn't be confirmed and saying the FBI report was bullshit. So don't pretend that you "always said #metoo allegations would come back around" because that's a lie. You were carrying water for the democrats back then. You don't get to suddenly pretend you're in the middle.

[Norcaliblunt]

Trump likes women over 18 dude.

The issue is the double standard of trashing Kavanaugh and then being silent on Biden. Democrats set the #believeallwomen standard.

I'm all good with trashing Republicans when they violate their christian standards but democrats are also setting their own moral standards so it's fair game.

You were one of the ones saying Kavanaugh shouldn't be confirmed and saying the FBI report was bullshit. So don't pretend that you "always said #metoo allegations would come back around" because that's a lie. You were carrying water for the democrats back then. You don't get to suddenly pretend you're in the middle.

Trump kicked it with Epstein bruh.

[bladefd]

Trump likes women over 18 dude.

The issue is the double standard of trashing Kavanaugh and then being silent on Biden. Democrats set the #believeallwomen standard.

I'm all good with trashing Republicans when they violate their christian standards but democrats are also setting their own moral standards so it's fair game.

You were one of the ones saying Kavanaugh shouldn't be confirmed and saying the FBI report was bullshit. So don't pretend that you "always said #metoo allegations would come back around" because that's a lie.

Trump walked in on little girls dressing and saying to a 8yr old girl something like "I may be dating you in 10yrs." + being great buddies with Epstein / multiple trips on his Lolita express where little girls were being raped. That's creepy behavior but keep defending Lil Donny.

I thought Kavanaugh wasn't being honest. He came in yelling "I NEVER MET HER", "MY CALENDAR", "YOU ATTACK MY FAMILY." "My family" "My family", going into an unrelated tirade... He was screaming and shouting like a madman. It reminded me of a politician running for office while being completely outspoken against gays, showing up to anti-gay rallies and screaming about the bible condemning gays, only for public to later find out he was having a secret affair with another man while running a whole fake front with wife & kids. Usually the loudest people in the room are those you have a hard time believing. Dr Ford, on the other hand, was completely calm, detailed and believable in her responses.

There were some discrepancies during his tirade. One example:

During the hearings, Kavanaugh stated under oath that he was never so drunk that he would pass out or forget what he’d done while intoxicated. A number of former classmates who knew him said they were sufficiently upset by that statement, which they considered untruthful, that they contacted the FBI. None received responses from the bureau.https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-09-16/fbi-investigation-brett-kavanaugh-confirmation

post 1/2 (3,500 word limit)

[bladefd]

post 2/2 (monetize reasons for extra posts :lol)

Only issue I had with fbi report was it didn't personally interview the 3 people. It wasn't exactly an investigation. It was just a simple background check afaik.

The Judiciary Committee’s Republican majority gave the FBI a week and said agents could interview four people. The list was later expanded to 10 people at the insistence of the swing-vote senators.

Lawyers for Ford and Ramirez, however, sent letters to Wray that, together, named more than 50 individuals that the bureau’s agents should interview. Only nine were ever contacted — all of them from the list that the Republicans had submitted.

One of the letters named the woman in the incident Stier said he witnessed.

“We have been advised that while at Yale, Mr. Kavanaugh exposed himself” to the woman “and forced her to touch his *****. Witnesses were present and we have been advised that they will be contacting the FBI with their first-hand accounts,” the letter said.

Stier knew both Kavanaugh and the young woman and has told people that he is certain of their identities. According to his account, two drunken male students dragged the woman toward Kavanaugh, who was also intoxicated and standing with his ***** exposed, amid much laughter from the men.

That's questionable at the very least, even if I toss aside the Ford accusations. That sort of creepy behavior (i.e. exposing *****) by Kavanaugh while drunk had been noted multiple times by different sources, but his rant said otherwise. He was lying. It's creepy behavior almost just like Trump, Bill Clinton and Joe Biden. Lets not act as if Kavanaugh and Trump are saints while Clinton and Biden are creepy f*cked up people.

You are a hypocrite like anyone. You are throwing rocks out of a glass house at another glass house. You will defend (or ignore) anything Trump does, says or has been accused of, while screaming at the top of your lungs if someone from other party or liberal is accused of the same.

[DoctorP]

i think you get the guy that pays off porn stars than the rapist. trump showing fine ethics under heat

[coin24]

The TDS is strong with this one

[Hawker]

post 2/2 (monetize reasons for extra posts :lol)

Only issue I had with fbi report was it didn't personally interview the 3 people. It wasn't exactly an investigation. It was just a simple background check afaik.


That's questionable at the very least, even if I toss aside the Ford accusations. That sort of creepy behavior (i.e. exposing *****) by Kavanaugh while drunk had been noted multiple times by different sources, but his rant said otherwise. He was lying. It's creepy behavior almost just like Trump, Bill Clinton and Joe Biden. Lets not act as if Kavanaugh and Trump are saints while Clinton and Biden are creepy f*cked up people.

You are a hypocrite like anyone. You are throwing rocks out of a glass house at another glass house. You will defend (or ignore) anything Trump does, says or has been accused of, while screaming at the top of your lungs if someone from other party or liberal is accused of the same.

There was never ever any hard evidence or corroboration and you know it. Try and deflect all you want but you were on the block Kavanaugh train. His demeanor etc. argument was all just a distraction because the accusation should never occurred in the first place. That was the whole point - once they knew the accusation was complete BS, they attacked his character.

Joe Biden was doing the creepy shit while in public office bro and it has visual evidence. Again, try with more false equivalencies.

You never stated that you thought Kavanaugh was innocent. I guarantee that. Only doing it now to save face.

[Norcaliblunt]

There was never ever any hard evidence or corroboration and you know it. Try and deflect all you want but you were on the block Kavanaugh train. His demeanor etc. argument was all just a distraction because the accusation should never occurred in the first place. That was the whole point - once they knew the accusation was complete BS, they attacked his character.

Joe Biden was doing the creepy shit while in public office bro and it has visual evidence. Again, try with more false equivalencies.

You never stated that you thought Kavanaugh was innocent. I guarantee that.

Trump kicked it with Epstein bruh.

[Long Duck Dong]

Trump kicked it with Epstein bruh.

Epstein and Trump have been enemies since 2004. Meanwhile the Obamas were calling Harvey Weinstein " a wonderful human being" up until the end of Obama's presidency.

https://i.gifer.com/4UoW.gif

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/10/20/4521CB2700000578-0-image-m-46_1507665393319.jpg

[Norcaliblunt]

Epstein and Trump have been enemies since 2004. Meanwhile the Obamas were calling Harvey Weinstein " a wonderful human being" up until the end of Obama's presidency.

https://i.gifer.com/4UoW.gif

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/10/20/4521CB2700000578-0-image-m-46_1507665393319.jpg

“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Mr. Trump told New York magazine in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

And yeah Obama is a suspect ph a get. I don’t play the partisan shit like you bitches.

[Patrick Chewing]

How can anyone lower themselves and embarrass themselves by voting Democrat after several Democrats believed Justice Kavanaugh's accuser, but this time around, they believe Biden's innocence.


Shame on you dumb****s.

[CelticBaller]

Love the irony of trump and Bernie supporters attacking Biden for his rape scandals lol

Have some principles ffs. We know you guys don’t give a ****

[RRR3]

Love the irony of trump and Bernie supporters attacking Biden for his rape scandals lol

Have some principles ffs. We know you guys don’t give a ****
When was Bernie accused or rape, slugger?

Your hero is a dementia-addled rapist who's about to lose an election to another senile rapist

[DoctorP]

perfect time to weaponize Reade now after the disinfectant gaffe.

Republicans shooting with a loaded gun

[diamenz]

Love the irony of trump and Bernie supporters attacking Biden for his rape scandals lol

Have some principles ffs. We know you guys don’t give a ****

be sure to tune in to morning joe tomorrow for a hot scarborough, brezinski, biden circle jerk!

[bladefd]

There was never ever any hard evidence or corroboration and you know it. Try and deflect all you want but you were on the block Kavanaugh train. His demeanor etc. argument was all just a distraction because the accusation should never occurred in the first place. That was the whole point - once they knew the accusation was complete BS, they attacked his character.

Joe Biden was doing the creepy shit while in public office bro and it has visual evidence. Again, try with more false equivalencies.

You never stated that you thought Kavanaugh was innocent. I guarantee that. Only doing it now to save face.

Yeah, there wasn't any hard evidence. Just his word against hers, which is hard to take as "end all, be all".. I don't disagree. Even if a witness said drunk Kavanaugh was swinging his privates everywhere, it doesn't prove he raped Dr Ford. It puts him into a lie and puts his character into question, but it doesn't prove some other case. That was that.

Epstein's lolita express:
https://i.insider.com/5d4da3fac697db31fe760818
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/X2Tx-ZtfL93yIFkzHF0TJ9_ZmXw=/0x0:715x456/1200x800/filters:focal(301x171:415x285)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/64693635/Screen_Shot_2019_07_08_at_8.51.48_PM.7.png

Once again, you are throwing rocks out of a glass house at another glass house. You will defend (or ignore) anything Trump does, says or has been accused of, while screaming at the top of your lungs if someone from other party or liberal is accused of the same. Keep sucking Donald's prick.

[CelticBaller]

When was Bernie accused or rape, slugger?

Your hero is a dementia-addled rapist who's about to lose an election to another senile rapist

Bernie literally writes rape fantasies

Thats ****ing weird

[Patrick Chewing]

Bernie literally writes rape fantasies

Thats ****ing weird



Holy shit forgot about that. Not only does he honeymoon in Russia, he's also written sick fantasies.


Suddenly, "grab her by the p*ssy" seems tame as hell.

[TheMan]

I have my doubts that Biden ever sexually assaulted this woman. I'm guessing sexually harrassed if anything but it's still funny to see Hollywood turn on itself over their hypocrisy.

Rose McGowan going in on Alyssa Milano



:oldlol:

https://mobile.twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/1247252442812690433?lang=en

I would've given my left arm to bang 90s McGowan and Milano...but Rose has hit the wall hard.

[Phong]

Epstein's lolita express:
https://i.insider.com/5d4da3fac697db31fe760818
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/X2Tx-ZtfL93yIFkzHF0TJ9_ZmXw=/0x0:715x456/1200x800/filters:focal(301x171:415x285)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/64693635/Screen_Shot_2019_07_08_at_8.51.48_PM.7.png

Once again, you are throwing rocks out of a glass house at another glass house. You will defend (or ignore) anything Trump does, says or has been accused of, while screaming at the top of your lungs if someone from other party or liberal is accused of the same. Keep sucking Donald's prick. Since it seems that you have done your research, why are you omitting the fact that Trump 's name appear only one time in all the flight logs and that one girl, who was forced to have sex with other guys, testified that Trump didn't partake in any sexual acts on that flight?

Did you not know the facts or are you purposely omitting them to push your narrative here?

[TheMan]

^^^ Another one of ISH many Trump's defense lawyers...pa-the-tic

[Phong]

^^^ Another one of ISH many Trump's defense lawyers...pa-the-tic Do you have evidence to present? :confusedshrug:

[Patrick Chewing]

LOL Trump has no connection to Epstein’s actions. Why else would Trump ban Epstein from Mar-A-Lago years ago??

[DoctorP]

LOL Trump has no connection to Epstein’s actions. Why else would Trump ban Epstein from Mar-A-Lago years ago??

prob tried to screw his daughter again

[Hawker]

Yeah, there wasn't any hard evidence. Just his word against hers, which is hard to take as "end all, be all".. I don't disagree. Even if a witness said drunk Kavanaugh was swinging his privates everywhere, it doesn't prove he raped Dr Ford. It puts him into a lie and puts his character into question, but it doesn't prove some other case. That was that.

Epstein's lolita express:
https://i.insider.com/5d4da3fac697db31fe760818
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/X2Tx-ZtfL93yIFkzHF0TJ9_ZmXw=/0x0:715x456/1200x800/filters:focal(301x171:415x285)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/64693635/Screen_Shot_2019_07_08_at_8.51.48_PM.7.png

Once again, you are throwing rocks out of a glass house at another glass house. You will defend (or ignore) anything Trump does, says or has been accused of, while screaming at the top of your lungs if someone from other party or liberal is accused of the same. Keep sucking Donald's prick.

None of this compares to the evidence that is there for Tara Reade's allegation against Biden.

Sorry brah.

[Hawker]

be sure to tune in to morning joe tomorrow for a hot scarborough, brezinski, biden circle jerk!

Hard hitting journalism.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/30/biden-tara-reade-response-227319


Numerous media outlets, including POLITICO, asked to speak with Biden personally about the accusations, but “Morning Joe” was chosen by the campaign as a better forum for the candidate to address the topic.

As one of the voices of establishment Washington, the program is a perfect forum for a career-senator-turned-vice-president whose campaign advisers are longtime Democratic establishment figures. Also, according to those familiar with Biden’s thinking, the candidate has a friendly relationship with the host, Joe Scarborough.

Beta Biden.

This is why conservative outlets exist.

[Patrick Chewing]

prob tried to screw his daughter again

Goddamn Trump is a great father too. I’m in awe of this man. :bowdown:

[DoctorP]

Goddamn Trump is a great father too. I’m in awe of this man. :bowdown:

:banana:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOJjg-eAy2M

[Long Duck Dong]

:banana:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOJjg-eAy2M



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jWsDIDZxyJg

[Patrick Chewing]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jWsDIDZxyJg


https://media.tenor.com/images/13e828339937e65352cdbad4056ba796/tenor.gif

[RRR3]

Look at you guys arguing over which of your candidates is less of a sex offender :roll:


America is a complete shitshow

[DoctorP]

Look at you guys arguing over which of your candidates is less of a sex offender :roll:


America is a complete shitshow

What do you mean? American economy was rolling before the virus hit

Hate USA all u want.

Trump 2020

[Patrick Chewing]

America is a complete shitshow


Because of soy boy cucks such as yourself. Please don't procreate.

[TheMan]

Because of soy boy cucks such as yourself. Please don't procreate.

I hate to get on Rx3 defense but he's still a young man and can turn things around, you OTOH mi amigo, you're on the wrong side of 40 with no woman even remotely considering having your offspring.

I wouldn't talk so brash if I were you.

[RoseCity07]

Now the GOP needs to find about 2 or 3 more women to come forward. Because one random accuser that changed her story is not going to do it. Trump has about 20 accusers and is on tape admitting that he grabs women. That didn't stick.

Biden was vetted for 50 years or whatever. He's clean.

[FultzNationRISE]

Now the GOP needs to find about 2 or 3 more women to come forward. Because one random accuser that changed her story is not going to do it. Trump has about 20 accusers and is on tape admitting that he grabs women. That didn't stick.

Biden was vetted for 50 years or whatever. He's clean.


Except Trump doesnt rely on feminazis and their groveling soy cucks to turn out for him.

Whereas the DNC traditionally relies on them as a substantial portion of its voter bloc. Biden cant alienate those people if he wants to win. (Whoops, I’m sorry, I shouldnt presume Biden uses the ‘he’ pronoun without asking him first.)

You cant see the difference?

[iamgine]

Now the GOP needs to find about 2 or 3 more women to come forward. Because one random accuser that changed her story is not going to do it. Trump has about 20 accusers and is on tape admitting that he grabs women. That didn't stick.

Biden was vetted for 50 years or whatever. He's clean.
Nothing can stick on Trump because even before anyone accused him, everyone already think, "I'm sure he's a sleazy womanizer". So no one's changing their opinion when the women started accusing.

Biden doesn't have that superpower.

[FultzNationRISE]

Nothing can stick on Trump because even before anyone accused him, everyone already think, "I'm sure he's a sleazy womanizer". So no one's changing their opinion when the women started accusing.

Biden doesn't have that superpower.

Yep, in fact the one and basically only thing Biden has going for him is the calculated appearance of being “dignified and decent.” Other than that he’s completely senile and has a shitty policy record.

If he cant even play the “dignified and decent” card he’s just a penny on the track, gettin crushed by the Trump Train.

[TheMan]

Yep, in fact the one and basically only thing Biden has going for him is the calculated appearance of being “dignified and decent.” Other than that he’s completely senile and has a shitty policy record.

If he cant even play the “dignified and decent” card he’s just a penny on the track, gettin crushed by the Trump Train.
This election is a referendum on Trump, as reelection bids by incumbents always are. If enough people think Trump fukked up on COVID-19 and the economy is shit...he won't get reelected, really doesn't matter who the other guy is, even a monkey as the Democratic candidate would win.

[DoctorP]

biden needed viagra just to rape... i commend his efforts just to get it up

[bladefd]

This election is a referendum on Trump, as reelection bids by incumbents always are. If enough people think Trump fukked up on COVID-19 and the economy is shit...he won't get reelected, really doesn't matter who the other guy is, even a monkey as the Democratic candidate would win.

Pretty much. It's funny though watching Trumpeters suddenly start to attack Biden over Reade. Throwing rocks out of a glasshouse to another glasshouse. Good luck with having it stick. Now if this was say John Kasich instead of Trump, you would have a great case.. But it's Trump - who everyone knows used to grab women by the pu$$y without their permission and sick fu<k is known for walking in on little teenage girls changing room as they walked around nude. You have no grounds to stand on, Trumpeters. Keep shouting into the wind, fools.

[Hawker]

Pretty much. It's funny though watching Trumpeters suddenly start to attack Biden over Reade. Throwing rocks out of a glasshouse to another glasshouse. Good luck with having it stick. Now if this was say John Kasich instead of Trump, you would have a great case.. But it's Trump - who everyone knows used to grab women by the pu$$y without their permission and sick fu<k is known for walking in on little teenage girls changing room as they walked around nude. You have no grounds to stand on, Trumpeters. Keep shouting into the wind, fools.

"When you're a celebrity, they let you do it."

Ya'll always leave out that part of the quote.

[Phong]

Pretty much. It's funny though watching Trumpeters suddenly start to attack Biden over Reade. Throwing rocks out of a glasshouse to another glasshouse. Good luck with having it stick. Now if this was say John Kasich instead of Trump, you would have a great case.. But it's Trump - who everyone knows used to grab women by the pu$$y without their permission and sick fu<k is known for walking in on little teenage girls changing room as they walked around nude. You have no grounds to stand on, Trumpeters. Keep shouting into the wind, fools. Conservatives don't really care about the sexual assault. We're just throwing your sanctimonious hypocrisy back in your face.

[Hawker]

https://am13-mediaite-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/am13.mediaite.com/med/cnt/uploads/2020/05/Richard-Komi-tweet.jpg

:facepalm

[warriorfan]

https://am13-mediaite-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/am13.mediaite.com/med/cnt/uploads/2020/05/Richard-Komi-tweet.jpg

:facepalm

:roll: :roll:

:wtf:

[diamenz]

https://am13-mediaite-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/am13.mediaite.com/med/cnt/uploads/2020/05/Richard-Komi-tweet.jpg

:facepalm

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwGLZT4WAAA6K9z.jpg

[bladefd]

“I remember talking about him wanting me to serve drinks because he liked my legs and thought I was pretty and it made me uncomfortable,” Reade said in an interview Friday with The Associated Press. “I know that I was too scared to write about the sexual assault.”

Reade said she described her issues with Biden but “the main word I used — and I know I didn’t use sexual harassment — I used ‘uncomfortable.’ And I remember ‘retaliation.’”

Reade described the report after the AP discovered additional transcripts and notes from its interviews with Reade last year in which she says she “chickened out” after going to the Senate personnel office. The AP interviewed Reade in 2019 after she accused Biden of uncomfortable and inappropriate touching. She did not raise allegations of sexual assault against Biden until this year, around the time he became the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee.

The existence of the Senate report has become a key element of the accusations against Biden, which he has flatly denied. Reade says she doesn’t have a copy of the report, and Biden said Friday that he is not aware that any complaint against him exists. He asked the Senate and the National Archives to search their records to try to locate a complaint from Reade.

But Reade is suggesting that even if the report surfaces, it would not corroborate her assault allegations because she chose not to detail them at the time.

According to a transcript of her 2019 interview with the AP, Reade said: “They have this counseling office or something, and I think I walked in there once, but then I chickened out.” She made a similar statement in a second interview with AP that same day, according to written notes from the interview.

On Friday, Reade said she was referring to having “chickened out” by not filing full harassment or assault allegations against Biden. In multiple interviews with the AP on Friday, Reade insisted she filed an “intake form” at the Senate personnel office, which included her contact information, the office she worked for and some broad details of her issues with Biden.https://apnews.com/aec7beb03e9e0e0e6e3c58111293e0ea

There are certainly inconsistencies in her words and timing of actions. It's Kavanaugh-Ford all over again except Ford accused Kavanaugh of full-on rape (but waits until a convenient time). Reade accuses Biden of fingering her against her will (and also waits until a convenient time). Reade said nothing about sexual assault in 2019 interview, not until he became a nominee. Why is that?

[Patrick Chewing]

The difference between the Kavanaugh accusation and now this one is that there was no evidence or proof that Kavanaugh and Blasey-Ford ever knew each other or even crossed paths.


Reade worked for Biden. They had plenty of contact.

[Hawker]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwGLZT4WAAA6K9z.jpg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tETOEfOaNhw

This one's for you bro.

"We do not negotiate with tarareids." :roll:

[Hawker]

The difference between the Kavanaugh accusation and now this one is that there was no evidence or proof that Kavanaugh and Blasey-Ford ever knew each other or even crossed paths.


Reade worked for Biden. He had plenty of contact.

Yeah he did.

[Phong]

https://apnews.com/aec7beb03e9e0e0e6e3c58111293e0ea

There are certainly inconsistencies in her words and timing of actions. It's Kavanaugh-Ford all over again except Ford accused Kavanaugh of full-on rape (but waits until a convenient time). Reade accuses Biden of fingering her against her will (and also waits until a convenient time). Reade said nothing about sexual assault in 2019 interview, not until he became a nominee. Why is that? Ford had no one to confirm that the party during which she was allegedly raped ever happened. She doesn't know whose house it was. She doesn't remember how she got there. She doesn't remember how she got home. She doesn't have anyone to testify that she even knew or met Kavanaugh.

Reade worked closely with Biden. She has at least 4 people who came forward to testify that she had told them about the assault back in 93. A former neighbor and a former colleague both came forward to confirm the story, including the fingering. Her mom was on air talking about her daughter having problems back in 93 too.

Saying that those two cases are comparable is disingenuous.

[FultzNationRISE]

Ford had no one to confirm that the party during which she was allegedly raped ever happened. She doesn't know whose house it was. She doesn't remember how she got there. She doesn't remember how she got home. She doesn't have anyone to testify that she even knew or met Kavanaugh.

Reade worked closely with Biden. She has at least 4 people who came forward to testify that she had told them about the assault back in 93. A former neighbor and a former colleague both came forward to confirm the story, including the fingering. Her mom was on air talking about her daughter having problems back in 93 too.

Saying that those two cases are comparable is disingenuous.


Seems like a pretty strong case.

However, according to message board poster RoseCity07, “Biden’s clean.”


So I’m not too sure. There’s compelling evidence on both sides.

[Patrick Chewing]

Yeah he did.

https://i.gifer.com/56W.gif

[bladefd]

Ford had no one to confirm that the party during which she was allegedly raped ever happened. She doesn't know whose house it was. She doesn't remember how she got there. She doesn't remember how she got home. She doesn't have anyone to testify that she even knew or met Kavanaugh.

Reade worked closely with Biden. She has at least 4 people who came forward to testify that she had told them about the assault back in 93. A former neighbor and a former colleague both came forward to confirm the story, including the fingering. Her mom was on air talking about her daughter having problems back in 93 too.

Saying that those two cases are comparable is disingenuous.

Why didn't Tara mention sexual assault in 2019 interview? Why wait until he is the nominee?

I also need to see the 93 report if she ever filed one. If not, why didn't she file? Right back to Ford/conservative attack of words full-circle

[FultzNationRISE]

Why didn't Tara mention sexual assault in 2019 interview? Why wait until he is the nominee?

I also need to see the 93 report if she ever filed one. If not, why didn't she file? Right back to Ford/conservative attack of words full-circle


Lol at instantly abandoning “Believe All Women” as soon as it isnt politically convenient.

The whole point of this debate is that weve been saying that beta males like you are only phony moralists when it suits your agenda of gaining control, and that when the shoe is on the other foot youre every bit the lying, greedy, fascist mysoginists you continuously accuse your political enemies of being.

Youre no different at the end of the day, your political union just happens to be comprised of society’s weak, sissy boy males. You try to spin that into some kind of virtue, but it’s always been a fraud and every day the exposure becomes clearer.

[Patrick Chewing]

Why didn't Tara mention sexual assault in 2019 interview? Why wait until he is the nominee?

I also need to see the 93 report if she ever filed one. If not, why didn't she file? Right back to Ford/conservative attack of words full-circle


Why did Blasey-Ford wait? Why do most women who were sexually assaulted wait?

The answer is because a lot of them are ashamed and embarrassed of what happened to them. Also, who's to say they didn't bring it up in the past, but no lawyer would touch the allegation.

And actually, now is the perfect time for women to come out who have been sexually assaulted. With the rise of social media and certain movements, the attention these women get from others is 100x the attention they would have gotten 10,20,30 years ago. So if someone makes an accusation of someone famous or in power, it wouldn't take long before the whole country started to hear about it.

[Phong]

Why didn't Tara mention sexual assault in 2019 interview? Why wait until he is the nominee?Ask rape victims why some never come forward or why some take years to do so. In 2019, she came forward because she saw that other women also had problems with Biden. It took the support of other women for her to find enough courage to come forward too. Maybe she didn't want to go in more details because she would have been singled out. Now, seeing that her rapist could become president, she might have thought "hell no".

Here are the witnesses who said that Reade told them back in 93-95.

https://www.businessinsider.com/former-neighbor-corroborates-joe-bidens-accuser-2020-4



I also need to see the 93 report if she ever filed one. If not, why didn't she file? Right back to Ford/conservative attack of words full-circle Good luck with that. Biden's senatorial papers have been donated to the University of Delaware. They have refused to let anyone access the documents.

Now that I've answered your questions, why did it take months for the mainstream media to mention Reade's accusations against Biden while they wrote hundreds of not thousands of articles about Ford? Do you admit the clear bias?

[Phong]

Lol at instantly abandoning “Believe All Women” as soon as it isnt politically convenient.

The whole point of this debate is that weve been saying that beta males like you are only phony moralists when it suits your agenda of gaining control, and that when the shoe is on the other foot youre every bit the lying, greedy, fascist mysoginists you continuously accuse your political enemies of being.

Youre no different at the end of the day, your political union just happens to be comprised of society’s weak, sissy boy males. You try to spin that into some kind of virtue, but it’s always been a fraud and every day the exposure becomes clearer. :applause: :applause: :applause:

Will Bladefd address this post or will he pretend not to see it?

[diamenz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tETOEfOaNhw

This one's for you bro.

"We do not negotiate with tarareids." :roll:

:oldlol: solid.

likes his women like he likes his scotch - aged twelve years and stored in a cellar.

[bladefd]

Ask rape victims why some never come forward or why some take years to do so. In 2019, she came forward because she saw that other women also had problems with Biden. It took the support of other women for her to find enough courage to come forward too. Maybe she didn't want to go in more details because she would have been singled out. Now, seeing that her rapist could become president, she might have thought "hell no".

Here are the witnesses who said that Reade told them back in 93-95.

https://www.businessinsider.com/former-neighbor-corroborates-joe-bidens-accuser-2020-4

Good luck with that. Biden's senatorial papers have been donated to the University of Delaware. They have refused to let anyone access the documents.

Now that I've answered your questions, why did it take months for the mainstream media to mention Reade's accusations against Biden while they wrote hundreds of not thousands of articles about Ford? Do you admit the clear bias?

There is a bias, ofc. The two sides are so divided that each side will try hard for a "GOTCHA!" moment. I bet you there will be as much written about Tara Reade by conservative journalists/writers/bloggers as liberals did about Dr Ford, especially if Biden wins or if he is looking to be a favorite going into November. This is far from over.

Without a copy of the 93 report, there is not much to go on. We don't know what her original complaint was for and if there even was an official complaint. It could have been noted as flirting/sexual harassment with advancements towards her or actual sexual assault. She says she filed a report but I get the feeling she is being wishy-washy on what she noted in the complaint. She doesn't want to say "yup, report says x y and z" only for Biden to catch her in a lie if he does have the report, and she doesn't want to be too vague that you question her truthfulness or her believability. She already admitted to saying report didn't mention sexual harassment or sexual assault so you are already wondering what did it say if she filed it.

[bladefd]

:applause: :applause: :applause:

Will Bladefd address this post or will he pretend not to see it?

I don't respond to morons who have me grouped with sjw folks. There is a reason why I have had that moron on my ignore list for a few months. I don't even open his posts.

[Phong]

There is a bias, ofc. The two sides are so divided that each side will try hard for a "GOTCHA!" moment. I bet you there will be as much written about Tara Reade by conservative journalists/writers/bloggers as liberals did about Dr Ford, especially if Biden wins or if he is looking to be a favorite going into November. This is far from over.

Without a copy of the 93 report, there is not much to go on. We don't know what her original complaint was for and if there even was an official complaint. It could have been noted as flirting/sexual harassment with advancements towards her or actual sexual assault. She says she filed a report but I get the feeling she is being wishy-washy on what she noted in the complaint. She doesn't want to say "yup, report says x y and z" only for Biden to catch her in a lie if he does have the report, and she doesn't want to be too vague that you question her truthfulness or her believability. She already admitted to saying report didn't mention sexual harassment or sexual assault so you are already wondering what did it say if she filed it. Conservatives will write as much about Reade as Democrats did with Ford? :oldlol: The mainstream media zealously wrote thousands of articles about Ford since day 1 and even picked more bogus accusations from women paid by Avenatti without a single shred of evidence. The conservative sources I've read talks about Reade's accusations and the fact that everyone is trying to bury the story. Nothing more.

It's funny that you're ignoring all the witness testimonies from back then who are corroborating Reade's story. They even tracked down the interns Reade was in charge of. They confirmed that Reade was stripped of her duty out of nowhere, moved to a "closet" office then eventually let go.

You can say whatever about that "moron" but he describes you a T.

[Overdrive]

Both candidates are shit and you guys are arguing which shit has a deeper shade of brown.

[Phong]

Both candidates are shit and you guys are arguing which shit has a deeper shade of brown. Whether Biden is a presidential candidate or not, the sexual assault accusation made against him should be reported on and investigated. Do you disagree?