Who does it frustrate you the most that you cant make other people "get"?

[Kblaze8855]

Not just underrated. The guys who you watch and think "Are the rest of you seeing this?". The people who even when you show others what they can do they just cant seem to grasp whats so special and it almost pisses you off?


I have a few. Magic Johnson would be the biggest name. People now now Magic was nice and a crazy passer but I will never be able to convey how nasty he really was to people who think it was just highlight videos. When you watched Magic play....those highlights were ALL THE TIME. Magic would do some "WTF was that...." move no bullshit....12 times a game at times. You wouldnt even get a replay on all of them because when you do it all the time it stops being a highlight. Its just a normal thing. Hed be out there throwing it through a guys legs running it down and finishing after a wild spin with a lefty hook falling out of bounds and just get up like nothing happened. Magic Johnson was so outrageous and SO crafty and polished and I cant make people who werent there understand it.


He wasnt some Ben Simmons big guard just getting assists. That guy was a legit polished back to the basket scorer who would have been an all star off nothing but that, but with all time great shit going to the basket, one of the most creative finishers I ever saw....he had floaters, hooks, finger rolls and all.....he dunked on most of the bigs in the league....and he happened to be the best passer ever too. Magic was nasty...you can see that in a highlight. What you cant see is how unbelievably polished his total attacking skillset was. The one and only reason he didnt score 30 a game is because passing made the team better. Magic would have been in the scoring race if he ever decided to do it. He was up there with the all time great unarguable transition scorers....but he would get to the lane and just send the ball through a portal to some scrub who he wanted to reward for running the floor so hard and end up only taking 11 shots for 13 points and 19 assists in a 30 point win. I cannot make 20 yearolds understand how good Magic was. They see how spectacular. But he was so ****ing GOOD.

He made it look all random but it wasnt. He was picking teams apart with passing but scoring whenever he wanted with straight up polished moves somehow evading multiple defenders and finishing in traffic he shouldnt fit through. And if you fouled him it was over. Once he hit his prime? He had a year leading the NBA in FT percentage. I feel live mentioned it before but doesnt it seem odd to you that Magic was a better Ft shooter than Jordan or Kobe? And Glen Rice. And Dell Curry. 91, 89, and 91% his last 3 pre HIV seasons. He was flat out skilled as a scorer and the best playmaker ever.

And I cant make a lot of you get it. Its not your fault. He was hard to get. But it still annoys me. He not really my primary guy for this though I just got tunnel vision for a minute there. I'll go into who I actually wanted to talk about in a second.

[iamgine]

Here's a random Magic game


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_EeZRiWEVc

[LoneyROY7]

Magic is pretty much universally considered to be one of the 5 greatest players to ever grace a basketball court. He's the unquestioned greatest PG to have ever played.

So who's not getting that he was absolutely nasty? :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

Who I actually wanna talk about is Mark Price. Ive been pissed off on here for about 15 years now over people who were probably 18 then calling me out for comparing Mark Price to Steve Nash. I remember just getting up from the computer to take a break in anger when someone told me it was a stupid comparison because Prince had no flair and didnt have Nashs scoring skillset...just a jumper. It was one of those situations where you ask yourself "Why is this person even giving me his opinion when he obviously never saw him play?".

And im not here to argue Price vs Nash. I dont care about that. Im saying....it wore me out trying to convey how nice he was to people who just saw a couple clips of a guy who looks like the mailman and assumed he was some vanilla shooting specialist little guard. The best I could do back then was give you a little:


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ShamelessDemandingHamadryad-size_restricted.gif



To maybe raise your eyebrow. But it didnt really get my message across.

Mark Price had one of the most complete offensive skillsets....ever...period. No qualifiers.





He was all time great spotting up. He was nice off the dribble. He could drive. He had the kinda handles that wont make a highlight reel but serve the more important role of getting him anywhere without having to pick up his dribble. He was untrappable and near impossible to keep from his spots:


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CoolVioletImpala-size_restricted.gif





Years of working on pick and rolls from every angle and incorporating it into his pregame:


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SpiritedMeatyAsiaticlesserfreshwaterclam-size_restricted.gif





(Right down to actually working on the teammate pushoff into the clear spot)


made him probably Stocktons only peer at the pick and roll at the time and he might be better than John at it in todays game because he incorporated more shooting into it.


Whatever the all time pick and roll "Pointgod" short list is...hes on it. That guy would be shredding defenses right now. But I cant really get it across to some people.

[FireDavidKahn]

That LeBron is at minimum top 5 even to his biggest haters.

[Kblaze8855]

And I find it odd because just watching a few clips you can see he has it all.......





https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SillyCommonBrant-size_restricted.gif




Hes got the "What was that?" shots. How often do you see a quick postup off hand 16 foot turnaround? He can weave through traffic like the more celebrated ball handlers. He got the stepbacks and contested shots.



But all people see.....is a middle school gym teacher.



Mark Price was honestly maybe.....as a nice as anyone I ever saw at the 1. I know "nice" isnt very clear but...you know nice when you see it.

Mark Price was ridiculous. On the right team today....hes in an MVP conversation. Hes no doubt putting up the Trae Young insane raw numbers but on better shooting numbers. And despite his appearance....he was tough as shit. And could play defense.

Mark Price might be as complete an offensive package as has ever played the point. Everything I want a point to do...he did it. Hes not a "goat" tier guy because thats largely about accomplishments.....but if I built a point from scratch?

I might come up with someone who looked and played a LOT like Mark Price. And I struggle with making people understand why...

[Kblaze8855]

Magic is pretty much universally considered to be one of the 5 greatest players to ever grace a basketball court. He's the unquestioned greatest PG to have ever played.

So who's not getting that he was absolutely nasty? :oldlol:


Him being so well known is why this was really about Mark but got off topic for a moment. But to answer your question....

Ok. Let me put it to you in a way you will get.

James Harden.


Imagine in 30 years all that remains of Harden highlights is stepback 3s.

People have him as the goat of stepback contested 3s.

Thats nice. He did a lot of that.

But thats not really "getting" it is it?

A lot more is going on. Wouldn’t you wanna point out he led the league in assists and couldn’t be kept out of the lane? The whole story isn’t told when they focus on the famous aspect. Magic is considered a nasty passer....because he was. But he was a nasty PLAYER and you dont hear much about anything but the passing.

Magic Johnson is the GOAT point guard.

He should get more talk for being the GOAT player of basketball.

Is he? No. Not to me.

But his game to game performance matches up with a lot of people who do get that talk.

You put Magic in his prime, Lebron in his prime, and Jordan in his prime in one league....people WOULD have him as #1 or #2 in many cases.

But hes not in that discussion. He spent too long trying to defer to Kareem.

Stick him on the floor with Lebron.....with Wilt....with Kobe....with whoever you wanna name.

Magic is gonna play just about as well as they will.

But hes fallen out of a lot of that discussion. And its mostly because people dont really....get him. Magic was disgusting....but to too many people hes the same 9 passes ESPN keeps showing. And it bugs me.

Just not as much as Mark Price being a nobody.

[andgar923]

Chris Gatling

Dude was walking buckets. He just scored easily somehow.

[Kblaze8855]

I liked Gatling. He’s who I wanted Marcus Fizer to become before he instead became my least favorite Bull ever narrowly beating Larry Hughes.

[Stephonit]

Good luck with any of this.

Stephen Curry just put up one of the best 5 year stretches of a career anyone has in NBA history and yet all they can say is he is a great shooter.

[iamgine]

I thought Nash fully deserve both his MVPs.

[Da_Realist]

Good topic. Mark Price would have been my top choice if you hadn't already shed light on it. My second choice, similar to how you feel about Magic, would be Kevin McHale. His dorky playing style hid how unstoppable he was. No one could guard him. His timing threw guys off. Like he was a half beat too early or late from what they were expecting. He caught so many guys off balance because they couldn't time his release. And this is without mentioning his post moves and footwork that left guys flat footed. He made the league's best defenders look like they weren't prepared.

[superduper]

That LeBron is at minimum top 5 even to his biggest haters.

Notice how no one in this thread gives a shit about Fraud :oldlol:

[DoctorP]

Not just underrated. The guys who you watch and think "Are the rest of you seeing this?". The people who even when you show others what they can do they just cant seem to grasp whats so special and it almost pisses you off?


I have a few. Magic Johnson would be the biggest name. People now now Magic was nice and a crazy passer but I will never be able to convey how nasty he really was to people who think it was just highlight videos. When you watched Magic play....those highlights were ALL THE TIME. Magic would do some "WTF was that...." move no bullshit....12 times a game at times. You wouldnt even get a replay on all of them because when you do it all the time it stops being a highlight. Its just a normal thing. Hed be out there throwing it through a guys legs running it down and finishing after a wild spin with a lefty hook falling out of bounds and just get up like nothing happened. Magic Johnson was so outrageous and SO crafty and polished and I cant make people who werent there understand it. He wasnt some Ben Simmons big guard just getting assists. That guy was a legit polished back to the basket scorer who would have been an all star off nothing but that, but with all time great shit going to the basket, one of the most creative finishers I ever saw....he had floaters, hooks, finger rolls and all.....he dunked on most of the bigs in the league....and he happened to be the best passer ever too. Magic was nasty...you can see that in a highlight. What you cant see is how unbelievably polished his total attacking skillset was. The one and only reason he didnt score 30 a game is because passing made the team better. Magic would have been in the scoring race if he ever decided to do it. He was up there with the all time great unarguable transition scorers....but he would get to the lane and just send the ball through a portal to some scrub who he wanted to reward for running the floor so hard and end up only taking 11 shots for 13 points and 19 assists in a 30 point win. I cannot make 20 yearolds understand how good Magic was. They see how spectacular. But he was so ****ing GOOD. He made it look all random but it wasnt. He was picking teams apart with passing but scoring whenever he wanted with straight up polished moves somehow evading multiple defenders and finishing in traffic he shouldnt fit through. And if you fouled him it was over. Once he hit his prime? He had a year leading the NBA in FT percentage. I feel live mentioned it before but doesnt it seem odd to you that Magic was a better Ft shooter than Jordan or Kobe? And Glen Rice. And Dell Curry. 91, 89, and 91% his last 3 pre HIV seasons. He was flat out skilled as a scorer and the best playmaker ever.

And I cant make a lot of you get it. Its not your fault. He was hard to get. But it still annoys me. He not really my primary guy for this though I just got tunnel vision for a minute there. I'll go into who I actually wanted to talk about in a second.

that was peak NBA skill. Now the skills are more compartmentalized: floater, alley-oop, step-back, fadeaway, runner... etc

Magic and Bird were the peak of NBA skill sets and they came from an era sparked by Dr. J.

[tpols]

richard jefferson was a pretty nasty athlete. best one on those Nets team imo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wzEW88Uej0

he had that feminine voice in a superman frame lol

[ArbitraryWater]

that was peak NBA skill. Now the skills are more compartmentalized: floater, alley-oop, step-back, fadeaway, runner... etc

Magic and Bird were the peak of NBA skill sets and they came from an era sparked by Dr. J.

Magic was the peak of basketball skillset? Lol

[DoctorP]

Magic was the peak of basketball skillset? Lol

yeah, i think those days had more moves and tricks. it wasnt until the streetball And-1 era that I would see creativity like that again. Magic, Bird, Pete Maravich had flashy moves that are not in use today for the most part.

the NBA is big into alley-oops now thats the big difference between USA and Euro styles... the alleyoop attacks

nba aint Fn with this... maybe only Kyrie:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vglS7j0c4To

[tpols]

yeah, i think those days had more moves and tricks. it wasnt until the streetball And-1 era that I would see creativity like that again. Magic, Bird, Pete Maravich had flashy moves that are not in use today for the most part.

nba aint Fn with this... maybe only Kyrie:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vglS7j0c4To



nice.

i always find it hilarious that the best street baller ever, in what was basically the ghetto version of the NBA, was some 145 lb white dude.

his skill was totally nasty... dribbling, passing, shooting the only reason he wasnt a big time pro was his size.

he was pretty much the larry bird of streetball.

[DoctorP]

nice.

i always find it hilarious that the best street baller ever, in what was basically the ghetto version of the NBA, was some 145 lb white dude.

his skill was totally nasty... dribbling, passing, shooting the only reason he wasnt a big time pro was his size.

he was pretty much the larry bird of streetball.

80s were not as stylistically flashy as the 90's and 1 era but the 80's featured highly skilled dudes like Magic and Bird that did weird shit to put the ball in the hoop and make plays. Much more creatively than now anyways. Basketball has evolved but it has streamlined a lot of creativity for shooting and speed. Hence why spacing is a priority now for anyone thats not out of the loop.

[Kblaze8855]

Having skills magic didn’t doesn’t make you more skilled when he has skills you don’t as well. None of the better shooters with better handles have his around the basket game or passing.

Im not sure who the closest would be in matching it all. Lebron isn’t the passer or the polished around the basket scorer. He’s better in other areas but as with everyone else....he doesn’t have it all over magic.

magic was a unique combo of interior game and passing.

[Kblaze8855]

nice.

i always find it hilarious that the best street baller ever, in what was basically the ghetto version of the NBA, was some 145 lb white dude.

his skill was totally nasty... dribbling, passing, shooting the only reason he wasnt a big time pro was his size.

he was pretty much the larry bird of streetball.


Depends on what you mean by best.

If you just suspend basketball rules like and 1 and say go win a lot of people of every race would be a lot better than professor. Including some of the people in and 1. They were a show. So I’m not sure how you even judge who is “best”.

[DoctorP]

Having skills magic didn’t doesn’t make you more skilled when he has skills you don’t as well. None of the better shooters with better handles have his around the basket game or passing.

Im not sure who the closest would be in matching it all. Lebron isn’t the passer or the polished around the basket scorer. He’s better in other areas but as with everyone else....he doesn’t have it all over magic.

magic was a unique combo of interior game and passing.

LeBron has his moments. Wade and Chris Paul were excellent passers. Ben Simmons shows flashes. Ja Morant could be a good one.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Good topic. Mark Price would have been my top choice if you hadn't already shed light on it. My second choice, similar to how you feel about Magic, would be Kevin McHale. His dorky playing style hid how unstoppable he was. No one could guard him. His timing threw guys off. Like he was a half beat too early or late from what they were expecting. He caught so many guys off balance because they couldn't time his release. And this is without mentioning his post moves and footwork that left guys flat footed. He made the league's best defenders look like they weren't prepared.
Was basically Steve Nash in the 90's but honestly slightly smaller, but much quicker. And not as bad as a defender.

[tpols]

Depends on what you mean by best.

If you just suspend basketball rules like and 1 and say go win a lot of people of every race would be a lot better than professor. Including some of the people in and 1. They were a show. So I’m not sure how you even judge who is “best”.

all sports are a show.

and 1 was all about tricking and embarrasing the opponent with extreme creativity.

the professor was far and away the best at it, his game was totally filthy its like everybody else was operating in slow motion.

[DoctorP]

The Professor was not Larry Bird and McHale and Price were not Steve Nash. Stop comparing people because they are white. Such a low IQ take my gawd.

[SamuraiSWISH]

all sports are a show.

and 1 was all about tricking and embarrasing the opponent with extreme creativity.

the professor was far and away the best at it, his game was totally filthy its like everybody else was operating in slow motion.
He actually wasn't ... but was close. Alimo aka Black Widow (RIP) had actual NBA size and could do all that. Skip 2 My Lou obviously. Bone Collector, Pat Da Rock, it was basically modern day slightly more competitive Globetrotters type ball.

[tpols]

He actually wasn't ... but was close. Alimo aka Black Widow (RIP) had actual NBA size and could do all that. Skip 2 My Lou obviously. Bone Collector, Pat Da Rock, it was basically modern day slightly more competitive Globetrotters type ball.


what about hot sauce? him and professor are the two i remember best.

[Kblaze8855]

Alimo and Skip were the only real nba talents off the top of my head. And Hot Sauce was out of control once you pretend rules don’t exist.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ShallowSillyDiscus-size_restricted.gif

[tpols]

Hot sauce took creativity to a new level. IMO he's an artistic genius when it comes to basketball.

id rather see that than a dude just barreling through people over and over.

[DoctorP]

Hot sauce took creativity to a new level. IMO he's an artistic genius when it comes to basketball.

id rather see that than a dude just barreling through people over and over.

:applause::applause:

[DoctorP]

Aesthetically, And1 was a wild strain of ISO-centric bball and 90s NBA ball was ISO heavy already. The ISO 90s. Blame 80's Jordan. Too good.

[tpols]

Aesthetically, And1 was a wild strain of ISO-centric bball and 90s NBA ball was ISO heavy already. The ISO 90s. Blame 80's Jordan. Too good.

@6:20 and 8:13 in this vid man. :roll:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWyZwYd7g5A

you would literally get killed for doing that in some parks.

[Phoenix]

It's becoming cliche but Mark Price would have been ideal for today's game. One of the game's purest shooters, had a great handle and was deceptively quick. He was the first one I recall who split the pick and it became more or less his patented move. Following the 90s Bulls I used to pick up the WGN telecasts off my satellite, so I had the opportunity to catch alot of Chicago-Cleveland matchups. Price could put alot of fear in you when he started going off. That Cavs team seems to get overlooked but they were pretty damn good.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E551X8jR38c

This dude would have been a problem in a league where the best PGs are also primary scorers for their teams.

[Norcaliblunt]

Mark Price was injury prone. He just wasn’t durable.

[andgar923]

Good topic. Mark Price would have been my top choice if you hadn't already shed light on it. My second choice, similar to how you feel about Magic, would be Kevin McHale. His dorky playing style hid how unstoppable he was. No one could guard him. His timing threw guys off. Like he was a half beat too early or late from what they were expecting. He caught so many guys off balance because they couldn't time his release. And this is without mentioning his post moves and footwork that left guys flat footed. He made the league's best defenders look like they weren't prepared.

I studied McHale's style and always felt he should've been emulated by more players. Chris Gatling is a player that was similar to Kevin in slithering between players and getting what appear to be 'easy' buckets when they weren't.

I think people assume that the buckets they got were simply 'easy' because they're not highlight level plays. But it takes footwork, balance and recognition to get those 'easy' buckets.

I get frustrated watching players miss opportunities and not do what would've been an obvious move and get those 'easy' buckets.

[SamuraiSWISH]

what about hot sauce? him and professor are the two i remember best.
Professor actually played basketball. He gets the heavy nod. Professor was dope. But only a JUCO college level player. And he could shoot / pass.

Hot Sauce was a clown. None of his stuff was remotely legal. He was a joke even amongst the guys he played with ... just a ghetto dude making stuff up that didn't remotely make sense or have to do with ACTUAL basketball move sets in order to free up space legally to score. Hot Sauce you could tell never came close to playing organized basketball.

I respect all their influence on a generation (myself included) in advancing ball handling or trying new things. But Hot Sauce was garbage. He didn't play at the Rucker. And none of the stuff he did was legal or would work against ACTUAL defense.

Bone Collector however? Pat Da Rock? Professor? And especially Alimo and Skip were actual elite level players.

[DoctorP]

hate em or love em James Harden is one of the most creative players in the nba today

[tpols]

Professor actually played basketball. He gets the heavy nod. Professor was dope. But only a JUCO college level player. And he could shoot / pass.

Hot Sauce was a clown. None of his stuff was remotely legal. He was a joke even amongst the guys he played with ... just a ghetto dude making stuff up that didn't remotely make sense or have to do with ACTUAL basketball move sets in order to free up space legally to score. Hot Sauce you could tell never came close to playing organized basketball.

I respect all their influence on a generation (myself included) in advancing ball handling or trying new things. But Hot Sauce was garbage. He didn't play at the Rucker. And none of the stuff he did was legal or would work against ACTUAL defense.

Bone Collector however? Pat Da Rock? Professor? And especially Alimo and Skip were actual elite level players.


the whole point of And 1 was it being an alternative art form. Im sure michelangelo and rapheal wouldve scoffed at vincent van gogh's work.

Hot sauce was the most hype street baller in terms of making crowds freak out. Which was the whole point. He was an artist.

[DoctorP]

the whole point of And 1 was it being an alternative art form. Im sure michelangelo and rapheal wouldve scoffed at vincent van gogh's work.

Hot sauce was the most hype street baller in terms of making crowds freak out. Which was the whole point. He was an artist.

:lol oh please dont go there... but you are right.

i guess the artistry of basketball is an important element

[FKAri]

Was basically Steve Nash in the 90's but honestly slightly smaller, but much quicker. And not as bad as a defender.

It was also easier to play defense back then. As long as you gave half a **** you were a passable defender.

[SamuraiSWISH]

the whole point of And 1 was it being an alternative art form. Im sure michelangelo and rapheal wouldve scoffed at vincent van gogh's work.

Hot sauce was the most hype street baller in terms of making crowds freak out. Which was the whole point. He was an artist.
Right but that is besides the point. I'm telling you as someone who followed all of it, he was massively overrated. He only was special to casuals following it ... and only for a brief time. On the vol 3 tape against bums in pickup.

In the actual tour, he was getting slaughtered. Including by the likes of Professor, AO, Shane, Skip, Pat Da Rock ... and others.

If you knew what you're talking about, there was guys with elite LEGAL handle that could embarrass you while playing against ACTUAL competition. Guys like Bone Collector etc. Hot Sauce was a joke after that first Mixtape Volume 3 tape.

[DoctorP]

Right but that is besides the point. I'm telling you as someone who followed all of it, he was massively overrated. He only was special to casuals following it ... and only for a brief time. On the vol 3 tape against bums in pickup.

In the actual tour, he was getting slaughtered. Including by the likes of Professor, AO, Shane, Skip, Pat Da Rock ... and others.

If you knew what you're talking about, there was guys with elite LEGAL handle that could embarrass you while playing against ACTUAL competition. Guys like Bone Collector etc. Hot Sauce was a joke after that first Mixtape Volume 3 tape.

In ANd-1, legality is not as important as showmanhip as you know. if we are talking about the illest of the legals you have to talk about Jason Williams and Allen Iverson. Period.

[SamuraiSWISH]

In ANd-1, legality is not as important as showmanhip as you know. if we are talking about the illest of the legals you have to talk about Jason Williams and Allen Iverson. Period.
No, even within the confines of what And 1 was about "embarrassment" there was still refs, and people could still embarrass you without it being clownish levels of complete illegality. Which was Hot Sauce's entire shtick. And he sucked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQs0pI3L8y4

Against real comp. He carries sometimes, but it's not as stupid and egregious as nonsensically putting a ball in your shirt and slapping it around, or carrying it like a helicopter around someone's head for literally no reason.

[DoctorP]

No, even within the confines of what And 1 was about "embarrassment" there was still refs, and people could still embarrass you without it being clownish levels of complete illegality. Which was Hot Sauce's entire shtick. And he sucked.

yes but Professor also travels and carries like a madman

[SamuraiSWISH]

yes but Professor also travels and carries like a madman

Sauce is retardedly worse than any of them

[DoctorP]

Sauce is retardedly worse than any of them

sure. im not trying to rank em tho

[SamuraiSWISH]

sure. im not trying to rank em tho
The point is ... it's ****ing stupid. It was cool when it hit for like middle schoolers. But if you did that in HS try outs? Pickup with men? Against actual defense in competitive scenarios? You'd be laughed out the damn gym for how clownish and idiotic it was. Lack of self awareness.

It's not Iverson, Marbury, Diddy, J-Will, Kyrie, Curry, CP3 legally embarrassing or crossing the hell out of someone. It makes the person doing it look foolish.

I went to an AND 1 try out in 2006 for the mix tape tour. I was convinced I was as good, or could out do the Professor. People called me that all the time at the gym. I felt I was the same height, skill level (better shooter / defender / passer), and same white suburb dude looks to make myself marketable dominating city bruddas.

When I went to the try out, I was like oh man, most of these dudes have never played competitive or organized ball. And I immediately thought they were all mostly autistic or clowns.

[DoctorP]

The point is ... it's ****ing stupid. It was cool when it hit for like middle schoolers. But if you did that in HS try outs? Pickup with men? Against actual defense in competitive scenarios? You'd be laughed out the damn gym for how clownish and idiotic it was. Lack of self awareness. It's not Iverson, Marbury, Diddy, J-Will, Kyrie, Curry, CP3 legally embarrassing or crossing the hell out of someone. It makes the person doing it look foolish.

no shit, sherlock. its and-1. different game.

[Overdrive]

Professor actually played basketball. He gets the heavy nod. Professor was dope. But only a JUCO college level player. And he could shoot / pass.

Hot Sauce was a clown. None of his stuff was remotely legal. He was a joke even amongst the guys he played with ... just a ghetto dude making stuff up that didn't remotely make sense or have to do with ACTUAL basketball move sets in order to free up space legally to score. Hot Sauce you could tell never came close to playing organized basketball.

I respect all their influence on a generation (myself included) in advancing ball handling or trying new things. But Hot Sauce was garbage. He didn't play at the Rucker. And none of the stuff he did was legal or would work against ACTUAL defense.

Bone Collector however? Pat Da Rock? Professor? And especially Alimo and Skip were actual elite level players.

Just looking at the vid you barely see him shoot. On one move he leaves the defender totally confused and still shoots the 3 like a meter wide. Idc for fancy dribbling if it doesn't lead you anywhere.

[FKAri]

The point is ... it's ****ing stupid. It was cool when it hit for like middle schoolers. But if you did that in HS try outs? Pickup with men? Against actual defense in competitive scenarios? You'd be laughed out the damn gym for how clownish and idiotic it was. Lack of self awareness.

It's not Iverson, Marbury, Diddy, J-Will, Kyrie, Curry, CP3 legally embarrassing or crossing the hell out of someone. It makes the person doing it look foolish.

I went to an AND 1 try out in 2006 for the mix tape tour. I was convinced I was as good, or could out do the Professor. People called me that all the time at the gym. I felt I was the same height, skill level (better shooter / defender / passer), and same white suburb dude looks to make myself marketable dominating city bruddas.

When I went to the try out, I was like oh man, most of these dudes have never played competitive or organized ball. And I immediately thought they were all mostly autistic or clowns.

Relax bro it's just basketball. It's not a hard sport.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Relax bro it's just basketball. It's not a hard sport.
Huh? Why are you here if you don’t like basketball :lol

And sure it’s easy to be really, really good at basketball ... :facepalm

How do grown men get off on being a troll on a message board? Pathetic.

[highwhey]

Chris Gatling

Dude was walking buckets. He just scored easily somehow.

i played with him at a la fitness in Phoenix couple years back. he had a beer belly by then but he was strong like an ox. when he caught the ball down low, you could hear his palm slapping the leather and he proceeded to back down his defender like they were a blow up doll.

he got arrested some time later for fraud.

[FKAri]

Huh? Why are you here if you don’t like basketball :lol

And sure it’s easy to be really, really good at basketball ... :facepalm

How do grown men get off on being a troll on a message board? Pathetic.

I like basketball.
How do grown men get off on treating guys playing with a ball as their heroes to the extent that they're ready to go to bat for their dicc size on a message board? Pathetic (actually).

[highwhey]

it frustrates me when people praise Giannis, he's garbage. he literally uses a football move to score, it's unskilled and the nba looks the other way for him. he hasn't done shit in the playoffs, i don't take him seriously at all. he's a caricature of an nba player. the nba is looking away from his fouls bc its good for business.

[DoctorP]

I like basketball.
How do grown men get off on treating guys playing with a ball as their heroes to the extent that they're ready to go to bat for their dicc size on a message board? Pathetic (actually).

:lol

cuz they are homosexuals

[AirFederer]

True

[Axe]

Notice how no one in this thread gives a shit about Fraud :oldlol:
Yup.

[andgar923]

i played with him at a la fitness in Phoenix couple years back. he had a beer belly by then but he was strong like an ox. when he caught the ball down low, you could hear his palm slapping the leather and he proceeded to back down his defender like they were a blow up doll.

he got arrested some time later for fraud.

I remembered him being crafty and skilled af, didn't dawn on me that he needed to be strong to finish and get position like he did.