Trump is bad but the U.S. medical experts have been no better

[Stephonit]

Trump dropped the ball but his supporters aren't going to abandon him because some of the medical experts being cheered on by the media are just as bad.

Fauci for all his expertise represents the department that failed miserably in getting tests out in time. He's also the face for the "it's not scientifically proven yet" high priests of the medical establishment. That's the attitude that contributed to slow test roll out.

There's that dumb advice out there that ordinary people don't need to wear masks despite asymptomatic people known to be capable of spreading it. There's the thumbs down being given to the idea of chloroquine being maybe effective. Vitamin C is getting negative news again because "it's not proven yet". Is anyone else irked with the sense that people are being told this drivel not because one shouldn't get ones hopes and expectations up but more because the high priests hate their wisdom and power being challenged?

The kind of advice being given is the kind that has soured many people on the media and the establishment and that led to Trump being elected.

[BarberSchool]

Vitamin C is getting negative news again because "it's not proven yet". Is anyone else irked with the sense that people are being told this drivel not because one shouldn't get ones hopes and expectations up but more because the high priests hate their wisdom and power being challenged?

The kind of advice being given is the kind that has soured many people on the media and the establishment and that led to Trump being elected.The politicization of pharmaceuticals and supplements is only going to make existing viral anti-semitism worse. The media has gone fully insane and systemically paranoid beyond belief. It’s shocking given how smug they acted until late 2016.

Normally when someone digs their own grave, they don’t do it willingly, enthusiastically, and they definitely do not speed up as they dig deeper.

[kabar]

Trump dropped the ball but his supporters aren't going to abandon him because some of the medical experts being cheered on by the media are just as bad.

Fauci for all his expertise represents the department that failed miserably in getting tests out in time. He's also the face for the "it's not scientifically proven yet" high priests of the medical establishment. That's the attitude that contributed to slow test roll out.

There's that dumb advice out there that ordinary people don't need to wear masks despite asymptomatic people known to be capable of spreading it. There's the thumbs down being given to the idea of chloroquine being maybe effective. Vitamin C is getting negative news again because "it's not proven yet". Is anyone else irked with the sense that people are being told this drivel not because one shouldn't get ones hopes and expectations up but more because the high priests hate their wisdom and power being challenged?

The kind of advice being given is the kind that has soured many people on the media and the establishment and that led to Trump being elected.

Are you trying to suggest biased doctors on cable news and the bureaucracy of the CDC are somehow representative of US medical experts? The slow test rollout was attributed to American exceptionalism from Trump yes men in the CDC and HHS. The tests being used now are the SAME type of test proposed by the WHO on January 10.

[DoctorP]

Trump dropped the ball but his supporters aren't going to abandon him because some of the medical experts being cheered on by the media are just as bad.

Fauci for all his expertise represents the department that failed miserably in getting tests out in time. He's also the face for the "it's not scientifically proven yet" high priests of the medical establishment. That's the attitude that contributed to slow test roll out.

There's that dumb advice out there that ordinary people don't need to wear masks despite asymptomatic people known to be capable of spreading it. There's the thumbs down being given to the idea of chloroquine being maybe effective. Vitamin C is getting negative news again because "it's not proven yet". Is anyone else irked with the sense that people are being told this drivel not because one shouldn't get ones hopes and expectations up but more because the high priests hate their wisdom and power being challenged?

The kind of advice being given is the kind that has soured many people on the media and the establishment and that led to Trump being elected.

The mainstrean establishment is awful but Trump's leadership is becoming toxic. You really want a president that is starting beefs with governors at a time like this?

It's imbecillic.

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[Stephonit]

Are you trying to suggest biased doctors on cable news and the bureaucracy of the CDC are somehow representative of US medical experts? The slow test rollout was attributed to American exceptionalism from Trump yes men in the CDC and HHS. The tests being used now are the SAME type of test proposed by the WHO on January 10.

The doctors on the front lines are valiant heroes. Indeed doctors basically are and that's why the profession commands such respect. But it has promoted bad habits in terms of an assumption of deference. The ones representing them are the ones in government and simply put they failed in this crisis. There has been a critical failure in the system and it needs to be addressed. Even outside of this current crisis the medical establish deserves much more scrutiny. Notice how alternative medicine is made a consistent punching bag with an article coming up on the regular to slight Gwyneth Paltrow? Those are made by people who claim to be medical critics. But they're clearly not. It's what fills the vacuum though for what should be healthy criticism of the medical establishment. But true real productive criticism is silenced or provokes idiotic comebacks such as "there is no scientific evidence" even when we're talking about food that has been used in traditional medicine for millennia. The profession has been captured by corporations.

[Axe]

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Just reminds me of those folks who bought guns for their own "protection" recently.

[Stephonit]

The mainstrean establishment is awful but Trump's leadership is becoming toxic. You really want a president that is starting beefs with governors at a time like this?

It's imbecillic.

Of course not. But the fact of the matter is the media is creating a beef with Trump. When he mentioned chloroquine might be helpful, that did not require politicization. That it was politicized now makes it possible for Trump to claim a win if it indeed turns out to be a useful treatment. If that is indeed the case is Trump really the bigger problem or is it the media?

[BarberSchool]

Of course not. But the fact of the matter is the media is creating a beef with Trump. When he mentioned chloroquine might be helpful, that did not require politicization. That it was politicized now makes it possible for Trump to claim a win if it indeed turns out to be a useful treatment. If that is indeed the case is Trump really the bigger problem or is it the media?they are now even waging a politicized war against advising people to take extra vitamin c.

It’s hard to believe they have lost all grip on reality this bad.

Their mask is off, and this is going to cause another generation of antisemitism really hard if the media does not dial it back and come together with nationalism immediately. Their insane paranoid delusion is going to get their people killed, how do they not already see the writing on the wall ??????

[Kblaze8855]

There's that dumb advice out there that ordinary people don't need to wear masks despite asymptomatic people known to be capable of spreading it. There's the thumbs down being given to the idea of chloroquine being maybe effective. Vitamin C is getting negative news again because "it's not proven yet". Is anyone else irked with the sense that people are being told this drivel not because one shouldn't get ones hopes and expectations up but more because the high priests hate their wisdom and power being challenged?

I think its more them not wanting people to go do stupid shit because someone who knows nothing tells them "Its worth a shot". Like say.....hearing the word "chloroquine" and going to take it and killing yourself because it wasnt the right kind.

Trump is usually the harmless kind of clown. The way hes acting now is insane. Hes obviously having meetings with these experts in private then he gets on tv and asks them questions you KNOW they already talked about just so people see that hes willing to try anything...including shit that isnt tested and isnt proven to help. And may hurt. There is a cult of morons who believes this guy and many of them are too stupid to be trusted with questionable information. They arent gonna look into it. You let the people who make these calls do the research then tell the ignorant public what to do. You dont have brainstorming sessions on tv for millions of scared morons to overhear. Thats how you get Trump supporters eating cleaning products.

You talk this shit out then let the people who know something talk. Hes out here interrupting prepared statements with other ideas and thoughts as if he doesnt have a staff of medical people and writers who got all that worked out in advance. Hes the gotdamn president breaking into random questions and suggestions during a national press release like hes someones grandfather at the kitchen table.

Talk that out before the cameras come on and present a united message. You cant be arguing with doctors on tv while also telling people to listen to the experts. I didnt see the last one but I was with this woman who had her grandfather on speakerphone talking about trump asking why they couldnt reuse masks. Im not gonna talk about the specifics too much since as I said I didnt see it.....but isnt that something to talk about BEFORE the cameras come on? You get information all day. Why talk through something like that on tv?

Her grandfather is a Trump guy and was saying he knew the media would spin it to Trump trying to hurt healthcare workers(....) but he likes that Trump is thinking outside the box.

If masks can be used again after some kinda process....ok. Work it out.

Why are you talking about it on tv so old people are trying to figure it out on their own?

Give firm information. Not a roundtable led by a guy who clearly has no idea what hes doing.

Now is not the time to throw shit out and see what sticks. Talk about that in the many behind the scenes meetings. Have your people propose it if it checks out.

This is not how anyone in that position is supposed to behave.

[Kblaze8855]

Of course not. But the fact of the matter is the media is creating a beef with Trump. When he mentioned chloroquine might be helpful, that did not require politicization. That it was politicized now makes it possible for Trump to claim a win if it indeed turns out to be a useful treatment. If that is indeed the case is Trump really the bigger problem or is it the media?


The guys he was arguing with on tv(.....) didnt say it couldnt be useful. They said they had to look into it before just throwing it out there as something to try. Where do you think he even heard that word? Someone told him about it. Why? Because it was a POSSIBLE treatment. He didnt pull it out of the air. People were already looking into it. But you dont just....say some random drug name to idiots.

[DoctorP]

Of course not. But the fact of the matter is the media is creating a beef with Trump. When he mentioned chloroquine might be helpful, that did not require politicization. That it was politicized now makes it possible for Trump to claim a win if it indeed turns out to be a useful treatment. If that is indeed the case is Trump really the bigger problem or is it the media?

It's Trump. He's the catalyst for everything and the media is a parasite. All Trump has to do is lead effectively. The mainstream media is not pro-Trump, they have never liked him. Trump knows.

[Jasper]

Trump saying it's like influenza pretty much says it all....

[Hawker]

It's Trump. He's the catalyst for everything and the media is a parasite. All Trump has to do is lead effectively. The mainstream media is not pro-Trump, they have never liked him. Trump knows.

Yeah and he should definitely fight back against it. That's his redeeming quality. The media (and those that strive to work in public service) don't do it because they want to report facts or work for the people. Too many do it because they want to "affect change" or "change the world" or "shape culture."

Their job is to ask questions and report facts. Not get super morally superior and attempt to police language and culture by lecturing people.

The media has been like this well before Trump and now the self-important self-indulgent media doesn't like being challenged.

[Axe]

Yeah and he should definitely fight back against it. That's his redeeming quality. The media (and those that strive to work in public service) don't do it because they want to report facts or work for the people. Too many do it because they want to "affect change" or "change the world" or "shape culture."

Their job is to ask questions and report facts. Not get super morally superior and attempt to police language and culture by lecturing people.

The media has been like this well before Trump and now the self-important self-indulgent media doesn't like being challenged.
Wow, that surely is some toxic culture by the media right there. Truly biased most of the time.

[DoctorP]

Yeah and he should definitely fight back against it. That's his redeeming quality. The media (and those that strive to work in public service) don't do it because they want to report facts or work for the people. Too many do it because they want to "affect change" or "change the world" or "shape culture."

Their job is to ask questions and report facts. Not get super morally superior and attempt to police language and culture by lecturing people.

The media has been like this well before Trump and now the self-important self-indulgent media doesn't like being challenged.

Trump is rebelling and I respect that but then he does other stupid, I mean really low IQ, bullshit that perplexes, frustrates and befuddles. I welcome Trump on ISH