One thing that makes no sense about flu vs influenza

[Walk on Water]

Supposedly the covid is not only more contagious but more brutal.

But the flu is no joke. I’ve had the flu and it has wiped me out. I know people in their 20s that say when they got the flu, it was like the life was sucked out of them.

And yet so many people with the covid didn’t even know they had it. But then they’ll say that’s what makes it more contagious because it’s so mild.

Well if that’s the case, then how could it be worse then the flu in terms of individual experience? Something doesn’t add up. When you have the flu, you definitely feel it. And you can tell it’s not a cold. But with the covid-19, many just get the sniffles.

We aren’t getting consistent answers from the experts.

[Manny98]

Coronavirus is the biggest hoax of the 21st century, it is literally just a strain of the common cold and they have been many different coronaviruses before covid-19, and yes much more people die of influenza than this shit

This year at least 150,000 Influenza deaths
Compared to 25,000 Corona deaths


https://youtu.be/5pIMD1enwd4

[Axe]

Coronavirus is the biggest hoax of the 21st century, it is literally just a strain of the common cold and they have been many different coronaviruses before covid-19, and yes much more people die of influenza than this shit

This year at least 150,000 Influenza deaths
Compared to 25,000 Corona deaths


https://youtu.be/5pIMD1enwd4
Yup, coronavirus surely has turned you into a big, frenzy troll. Right?

[Celtics 1825]

Coronavirus is the biggest hoax of the 21st century, it is literally just a strain of the common cold and they have been many different coronaviruses before covid-19, and yes much more people die of influenza than this shit

This year at least 150,000 Influenza deaths
Compared to 25,000 Corona deaths


https://youtu.be/5pIMD1enwd4
Corona just started getting bad within the last month... the deaths will pass influenza in 3-4 more weeks ez

[Im so nba'd out]

What i've heard


People who have healthy lungs and good immune systems dont know they have it sometimes...The people who should be most worried about covid are people who smoke cigs,live in high pollution air cities,people who are not active a lot so they have weaker lungs,people with compromised immune systems, ect (you can figure out the reasons for weaker lungs/immune systems)





be safe and get right with the Most High.

[diamenz]

f***ing idiots.

[Manny98]

Yup, coronavirus surely has turned you into a big, frenzy troll. Right?

Stating facts = trolling :yaohappy:

[Axe]

Stating facts = trolling :yaohappy:
From what planet did you come from again? 🤔

For sure it is not earth.

[Manny98]

From what planet did you come from again? 樂

For sure it is not earth.
This year

Influenza - at least 150,000
Covid-19 - 40,000

Truth hurts babyboi

[Axe]

This year

Influenza - at least 150,000
Covid-19 - 40,000

Truth hurts babyboi
What's that? Oh you actually came from the planet of the apes. I should have known.

[Ghost1]

This year

Influenza - at least 150,000
Covid-19 - 40,000

Truth hurts babyboi


LeInfluenza

Check my stats

[ItsMillerTime]

This year

Influenza - at least 150,000
Covid-19 - 40,000

Truth hurts babyboi

If you still don't understand how much more contagious and lethal this strain of coronavirus is, you never will. Go out in public and touch a few door handles and rub your eyes plz.

[tpols]

If you still don't understand how much more contagious and lethal this strain of coronavirus is, you never will. Go out in public and touch a few door handles and rub your eyes plz.

80+ % of people have absolutely no symptoms, and 99+% survive so your threats are pretty empty.

All the NBA players who caught it beat it without so much as a sniffle.

[Facepalm]

Coronavirus is the biggest hoax of the 21st century, it is literally just a strain of the common cold and they have been many different coronaviruses before covid-19, and yes much more people die of influenza than this shit

This year at least 150,000 Influenza deaths
Compared to 25,000 Corona deaths


https://youtu.be/5pIMD1enwd4

Why don't you use some of that critical thinking and ask yourself how many more people would have died if the entire world didn't shut down?

[Overdrive]

This year

Influenza - at least 150,000
Covid-19 - 40,000

Truth hurts babyboi

We have 40.000 deaths with extreme measures taken some weeks into the pandemy. If we'd take the same measures for influenza the deathtoll would also drop.


Supposedly the covid is not only more contagious but more brutal.

But the flu is no joke. I’ve had the flu and it has wiped me out. I know people in their 20s that say when they got the flu, it was like the life was sucked out of them.

And yet so many people with the covid didn’t even know they had it. But then they’ll say that’s what makes it more contagious because it’s so mild.

Well if that’s the case, then how could it be worse then the flu in terms of individual experience? Something doesn’t add up. When you have the flu, you definitely feel it. And you can tell it’s not a cold. But with the covid-19, many just get the sniffles.

We aren’t getting consistent answers from the experts.

Most doctors who dealt with it say it appears in 2 phases with most peiple not reaching phase 2, which is the one hospitalizing and killing people. If you get the flu you're really sick from the start.

[Manny98]

If you still don't understand how much more contagious and lethal this strain of coronavirus is, you never will. Go out in public and touch a few door handles and rub your eyes plz.

71 year old Prince Andrews recovered from this "lethal" virus in 3 days with no symptoms :yaohappy:

[Manny98]

Why don't you use some of that critical thinking and ask yourself how many more people would have died if the entire world didn't shut down?

Sweden hasn't shut down and they seem to be doing just fine

[tpols]

71 year old Prince Andrews recovered from this "lethal" virus in 3 days with no symptoms :yaohappy:

with such flagrantly different results i wonder if there is a minor and major variant of the virus that both show up the same on the test.

on one hand you hear about 40 year olds dropping dead, on the other hand there's been 101 year olds to beat it.

[bladefd]

We have 40.000 deaths with extreme measures taken some weeks into the pandemy. If we'd take the same measures for influenza the deathtoll would also drop.



Most doctors who dealt with it say it appears in 2 phases with most peiple not reaching phase 2, which is the one hospitalizing and killing people. If you get the flu you're really sick from the start.

+ we have not reached peak yet. We are easily going to blow past 50k deaths in America.. Probably 350k minimum deaths globally even with massive amounts of global shutdowns/lockdowns. China certainly lied about their number of deaths too.

Flu season lasts just over 7 months, we are only 3 months into this covid-19.. Not even half of the way in and 46k deaths. Keep in mind viruses kill exponentially so this doesn't mean you just double the number of deaths to get total deaths in twice as many months. We are blowing past 150k deaths globally by end of the year.

[Manny98]

with such flagrantly different results i wonder if there is a minor and major variant of the virus that both show up the same on the test.

on one hand you hear about 40 year olds dropping dead, on the other hand there's been 101 year olds to beat it.
The only 40 year olds dropping dead are the one's with multiple serious underlying health issues

[diamenz]

The only 40 year olds dropping dead are the one's with multiple serious underlying health issues

wrong. do some reading.

[Manny98]

wrong. do some reading.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

[FKAri]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

So 75% of Americans are at risk? Interesting.

[diamenz]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

you're still wrong. you claimed that "the only 40 year olds dropping dead are ones with underlying health issues". in other words, your theory is that if you're 40 or younger, you have a 100% chance of beating the virus.

that may sound like i'm being petty or being a right-fighter, but just because you're under forty doesn't mean that you're automatically out of the woods.

[Manny98]

So 75% of Americans are at risk? Interesting.
No

Italy had like 1 death under 40

Damn near everyone that's dying is either elderly or people with health problems.

The same people that would be put in the vunerable category for influenza

[Manny98]

you're still wrong. you claimed that "the only 40 year olds dropping dead are ones with underlying health issues". in other words, your theory is that if you're 40 or younger, you have a 100% chance of beating the virus.

that may sound like i'm being petty or being a right-fighter, but just because you're under forty doesn't mean that you're automatically out of the woods.
Yh like a 0.01% chance of dying if you're under 40 and have a healthy immune system

[bladefd]

If you have some issue like diabetes or high blood pressure, there are medications to keep it under control and live a long normal life. My grandma lived until 94 while taking tons of meds like blood thinners to keep things under control. If you get covid-19 and die only after getting it, you died not because of diabetes but because of covid-19. That should be common sense. Covid-19 also has no treatment or cures at present so we can't do anything except give you oxygen, put you on vent and experimental stuff like hydrochloroquine (sp).

[MaxFly]

This virus has seemingly had no or little effect on most healthy young people, but has put other young, healthy people in hospitals... and has even resulted in the death of a few of those young people.

What people need to understand is that when too many people find themselves in hospitals with COVID-19 (even those who will ultimately survive), hospitals will become overwhelmed and they won't be able to provide proper, timely care for everyone. They will run out of ventilators, PPE and healthy, focused staff. Even if we were to allow the virus to run it's course through the population, the hope would still be that it took a long time to do so in order to spread out the pressure on our healthcare system. The Swine Flu death total encompasses a full year of its spread. Comparatively, COVID-19 is killing quite a number of people in a very short space of time, even with this shutdown now in effect. I think it's clear what would happen with no shutdown and the social distancing protocols cities and states have put in place.

[Nanners]

Why don't you use some of that critical thinking and ask yourself how many more people would have died if the entire world didn't shut down?

This is such a laughably idiotic argument.

Cancer is the #2 cause of death in America, and americans who live near large industrial sites like refineries and chemical plants have dramatically increased cancer rates. Cigarettes are known to increase cancer rates, as are common pesticides like glyphosate. Why dont we shut down the economy to protect these people?

Almost 70k americans died from opiate overdoses last year (~200 per day, every single day). The vast majority of these people got their first taste of opiates through a legal prescription. Why dont we shut down the economy to help these people?

There are currently over 17 million people in Yemen at risk of starvation because of the Saudi/US war and blockade. FFS we are currently facilitating a fuking genocide in Yemen... why dont we shut down our economy to help these people?

In 1996, Bill Clintons secretary of state Madeline Albright went on 60 minutes and was asked the following question about US sanctions against Iraq - "We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?"... Albright responded "We think the price is worth it."

Believing that the worlds governments give a single shit about preventing needless deaths, or thinking they believe that human life is more valuable than money, requires an extraordinary level of naivety and stupidity.

[ZenMaster]

This virus has seemingly had no or little effect on most healthy young people, but has put other young, healthy people in hospitals... and has even resulted in the death of a few of those young people.

What people need to understand is that when too many people find themselves in hospitals with COVID-19 (even those who will ultimately survive), hospitals will become overwhelmed and they won't be able to provide proper, timely care for everyone. They will run out of ventilators, PPE and healthy, focused staff. Even if we were to allow the virus to run it's course through the population, the hope would still be that it took a long time to do so in order to spread out the pressure on our healthcare system. The Swine Flu death total encompasses a full year of its spread. Comparatively, COVID-19 is killing quite a number of people in a very short space of time, even with this shutdown now in effect. I think it's clear what would happen with no shutdown and the social distancing protocols cities and states have put in place.

In countries with multiple smaller political parties, I wonder if this is the time for someone to rise up through a message of security and safety.
Like, why shouldn't we put a lot more focus on our healthcare and being prepared for times of crisis, now that we've fully realized that something could come along and kill us at any given time. The bi-product would be that we could all get better healthcare in times of non-crisis.
The message would be very simple to get through and there are so many easy examples to use. E.g is it a good use of effort and resources to build a BMW only to blow it up in a movie, when the effort and resources could have been applied to making hospital supplies and save lives?
Season finale of Curb Your Enthusiasm had a close up shot of hand sanitizer going up in flames, a bit ironic in the middle of this happening.

[Nanners]

In countries with multiple smaller political parties, I wonder if this is the time for someone to rise up through a message of security and safety.
Like, why shouldn't we put a lot more focus on our healthcare and being prepared for times of crisis, now that we've fully realized that something could come along and kill us at any given time. The bi-product would be that we could all get better healthcare in times of non-crisis.
The message would be very simple to get through and there are so many easy examples to use. E.g is it a good use of effort and resources to build a BMW only to blow it up in a movie, when the effort and resources could have been applied to making hospital supplies and save lives?
Season finale of Curb Your Enthusiasm had a close up shot of hand sanitizer going up in flames, a bit ironic in the middle of this happening.

until we decide that taking care of americans is more important than bombing weddings in impoverished middle eastern nations and giving tax breaks to the wealthiest people on the planet, we will never have a single spare penny for healthcare.

this change in values has obviously not happened yet

[hateraid]

Why don't you use some of that critical thinking and ask yourself how many more people would have died if the entire world didn't shut down?

OTOH, if the world is shutting down to prevent corona then it is effectively preventing influenza as well. The way it spreads is essentially the same. The stat Manny is providing is flu vs corona during the same time period.

Critically thinking of course.

[FKAri]

OTOH, if the world is shutting down to prevent corona then it is effectively preventing influenza as well. The way it spreads is essentially the same. The stat Manny is providing is flu vs corona during the same time period.

Critically thinking of course.

Except it's not. It's a projection based on last year's models.

[Facepalm]

OTOH, if the world is shutting down to prevent corona then it is effectively preventing influenza as well. The way it spreads is essentially the same. The stat Manny is providing is flu vs corona during the same time period.

Critically thinking of course.

I think Fkari explained it nicely

[hateraid]

Except it's not. It's a projection based on last year's models.

Ahh, gotcha

[Manny98]

Corona ain't got nothing on the seasonal flu

https://i.postimg.cc/sDCfKZcR/EUSDDmn-Wk-AIU5fv.jpg

[diamenz]

Corona ain't got nothing on the seasonal flu

https://i.postimg.cc/sDCfKZcR/EUSDDmn-Wk-AIU5fv.jpg

alright already, we know where you stand.

[Overdrive]

Corona ain't got nothing on the seasonal flu

https://i.postimg.cc/sDCfKZcR/EUSDDmn-Wk-AIU5fv.jpg

37.000 deaths in the last 2 weeks vs 113.000 by influenza in 3 months.

[Facepalm]

Corona ain't got nothing on the seasonal flu

https://i.postimg.cc/sDCfKZcR/EUSDDmn-Wk-AIU5fv.jpg

Show me your work. I can make up numbers too


The new coronavirus outbreak was declared a pandemic by the World Health Organization (WHO) on March 11. Since then, it’s spread to almost every continent in the world, with more than 870,000 confirmed cases and more than 43,000 deaths, as of 1 April.
As of March 7

According to CDC, this year's flu season has led to at least 17 million medical visits and 370,000 hospitalizations. CDC found that the percentage of outpatient visits for influenza-like illness increased to 5.2% in the week ending on March 7, up from 5.1% the previous week. The national baseline for those visits is 2.4%.

CDC estimated that there have been at least 22,000 deaths related to the flu so far this season.

[Phong]

Show me your work. I can make up numbers too


As of March 7What is the point that you're trying to make by comparing covid deaths worldwide and flu deaths in the US?

[Facepalm]

What is the point that you're trying to make by comparing covid deaths worldwide and flu deaths in the US?

Yeah I'll take my licks on this. Read it wrong and didn't realize the flu deaths were just US.