View Full Version : Joe Biden has Alzheimer’s
Vino24
04-01-2020, 11:03 PM
https://youtu.be/wH-y_w0O5Bw
This guy is done.
DoctorP
04-01-2020, 11:11 PM
so did reagan. Bidens odds just went up.
Facepalm
04-01-2020, 11:11 PM
https://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump-could-suffer-alzheimers-based-2926459
This guy is done
Facepalm
04-01-2020, 11:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3CFwkoqxIs&feature=emb_title
Really, really done
warriorfan
04-01-2020, 11:17 PM
All the easier to be manipulated by the shadow government. They love him.
Vino24
04-01-2020, 11:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3CFwkoqxIs&feature=emb_title
Really, really done
Lol Trump is a hell of a lot sharper. Every time Biden opens his mouth he fvcks up. If this is the best Dems can do than this will be an easy re-election
Politicians these days. 😒
Facepalm
04-01-2020, 11:22 PM
Lol Trump is a hell of a lot sharper. Every time Biden opens his mouth he fvcks up. If this is the best Dems can do than this will be an easy re-election
:oldlol: Keep telling yourself that :oldlol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE9BXkQ-SRc&feature=emb_logo
DoctorP
04-01-2020, 11:30 PM
All the easier to be manipulated by the shadow government. They love him.
Who? Reagan?
Nanners
04-01-2020, 11:55 PM
Lol Trump is a hell of a lot sharper. Every time Biden opens his mouth he fvcks up. If this is the best Dems can do than this will be an easy re-election
no kidding. biden cant finish a sentence without forgetting what he is talking about. also, many of bidens biggest weaknesses were completely ignored during the dem primary. biden cant control his emotions when a union member asks about his stance on gun control, imagine how badly he is going to melt down when Trump starts commenting on how his 50yo (married) crackhead son just lost a paternity case and is now paying child support for a child he fathered with some stripper...
MaxFly
04-02-2020, 12:18 AM
Yeah, I'll take my chances with Biden over this disaster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvE9hCZ-jaU
TheMan
04-02-2020, 12:47 AM
no kidding. biden cant finish a sentence without forgetting what he is talking about. also, many of bidens biggest weaknesses were completely ignored during the dem primary. biden cant control his emotions when a union member asks about his stance on gun control, imagine how badly he is going to melt down when Trump starts commenting on how his 50yo (married) crackhead son just lost a paternity case and is now paying child support for a child he fathered with some stripper...
Biden held his own vs Sanders in their head to head and Sanders is a much better debater than Trump because Bernie actually talks about the subject at hand. All Trump does is hurl insults like a preteen and says he has a plan, the best plan, the greatest plan, it's gonna be beautiful. Anyone who thinks Trump is a master debater has the IQ of a gnat.
Vino24
04-02-2020, 12:57 AM
Biden held his own vs Sanders in their head to head and Sanders is a much better debater than Trump because Bernie actually talks about the subject at hand. All Trump does is hurl insults like a preteen and says he has a plan, the best plan, the greatest plan, it's gonna be beautiful. Anyone who thinks Trump is a master debater has the IQ of a gnat.
Trump isn’t even a good debater. However he is better than Biden which isn’t saying much
Nanners
04-02-2020, 01:03 AM
Biden held his own vs Sanders in their head to head and Sanders is a much better debater than Trump because Bernie actually talks about the subject at hand. All Trump does is hurl insults like a preteen and says he has a plan, the best plan, the greatest plan, it's gonna be beautiful. Anyone who thinks Trump is a master debater has the IQ of a gnat.
Bernie is a lightweight debate opponent, and yet Biden still come off incredibly weak against Bernie. If Bernie wasnt a spineless coward he would have destroyed Biden, but he didnt want to throw any real punches at his "friend" joe so he constantly let Joes lies and inconsistencies go unchallenged, and he left a ton of juicy material completely untouched - like Bidens corrupt dealings in Ukraine or his history of creepy touching. Bernies debate strategy is basically to just regurgitate parts of his stump speech whenever its his turn to talk.
Anyway, anyone who thinks Trump is a bad debater has the memory of a gnat. Trump absolutely obliterated everyone in the republican primary, and easily went toe-to-toe with Hillary... he is going to run circles around sleepy joe.
Hawker
04-02-2020, 01:23 AM
Lot of whataboutism in this thread.
Hawker
04-02-2020, 01:31 AM
All the easier to be manipulated by the shadow government. They love him.
Exactly.
Joe Biden is an empty suit. Democrats love a technocratic government dictating how people should live. They are trying to portray him as a "return to normal" with his face but he won't be actually making any decisions.
TheMan
04-02-2020, 01:43 AM
Bernie is a lightweight debate opponent, and yet Biden still come off incredibly weak against Bernie. If Bernie wasnt a spineless coward he would have destroyed Biden, but he didnt want to throw any real punches at his "friend" joe so he constantly let Joes lies and inconsistencies go unchallenged, and he left a ton of juicy material completely untouched - like Bidens corrupt dealings in Ukraine or his history of creepy touching. Bernies debate strategy is basically to just regurgitate parts of his stump speech whenever its his turn to talk.
Anyway, anyone who thinks Trump is a bad debater has the memory of a gnat. Trump absolutely obliterated everyone in the republican primary, and easily went toe-to-toe with Hillary... he is going to run circles around sleepy joe.
Lol, Trump "won" those debates vs the GOP on pure bluffing and bluster, along with childish insults. He never "won" on substance, Everytime he was asked to explain how he would tackle an issue, all he came up with was that he had a plan and that we should trust him, lol. If Obama could run for a 3td term, he would've torn Trump an new asshole, and I'm no Obama stan.
We are in a new age, fellas. Biden is an empty suit, I agree but he is also seen as a return to normalcy. People don't want to see a combative POTUS with governors over such a life and death threat like this virus. Trolling and insults won't cut it this time, thousands dead over an outbreak Trump didn't take seriously until it was too late and a trashed economy...why exactly will people vote for him again?
Nanners
04-02-2020, 02:41 AM
Lol, Trump "won" those debates vs the GOP on pure bluffing and bluster, along with childish insults. He never "won" on substance, Everytime he was asked to explain how he would tackle an issue, all he came up with was that he had a plan and that we should trust him, lol. If Obama could run for a 3td term, he would've torn Trump an new asshole, and I'm no Obama stan.
Nobody has ever won a debate on "substance" (whatever that means). In the first ever televised presidential debate, people listening on the radio thought Nixon had beaten JFK on the issues, but people watching on TV thought that JFK beat Nixon simply because JFK looked more relaxed and presidential... JFK went on to win that election. If "substance" was meaningful in debates, Joe Biden would have dropped out long ago... after all, his campaign is not based on a single substantial policy other than "return to normalcy".
If you think Obama would have torn Trump a new asshole then you absolutely are a blind Obama stan. The main reason Trump was able to win was because Obama betrayed his supporters and flaked out on virtually every single one of his campaign promises. FFS, Hillary Clintons main pitch was that she was the "most qualified candidate of all time" and a continuation of Obama ("Nothing will fundamentally change"), and look what happened to her... yet you think that invoking Obama will work for dementia Joe? At least Hillary could complete a sentence without losing her train of thought.
We are in a new age, fellas. Biden is an empty suit, I agree but he is also seen as a return to normalcy. People don't want to see a combative POTUS with governors over such a life and death threat like this virus. Trolling and insults won't cut it this time, thousands dead over an outbreak Trump didn't take seriously until it was too late and a trashed economy...why exactly will people vote for him again?
Yeah, no doubt the people are yearning for those good ole Obama days when we had a president who could drone bomb weddings in afghanistan and bankrupt american workers with a little dignity and class ... lol
Trump approval rating is currently at the all time high for his presidency, but go ahead and keep telling yourself that nobody is going to vote for him.
bladefd
04-02-2020, 04:04 AM
Obama would have torn apart Trump at the voting poll if he could run a 3rd term. Trump just barely beat the 2nd most hated presidential candidate in polling history (Hillary), and you think he could have beat Obama? It's laughable. Yes, Obama made plenty of mistakes and he had flaws in quite a few of his policies, but let's not act as if he reaches to the Trump level of incompetence, paranoia and utter ignorance/mixed in with blatant lies each time he opened his mouth.
Nanners
04-02-2020, 04:57 AM
Obama would have torn apart Trump at the voting poll if he could run a 3rd term. Trump just barely beat the 2nd most hated presidential candidate in polling history (Hillary), and you think he could have beat Obama? It's laughable. Yes, Obama made plenty of mistakes and he had flaws in quite a few of his policies, but let's not act as if he reaches to the Trump level of incompetence, paranoia and utter ignorance/mixed in with blatant lies each time he opened his mouth.
The main reason Trump beat Hillary - the supposed "most qualified candidate of all time", a candidate who had the benefit of having 100% of the media and establishment behind her - is specifically because of the lies and failures of Obama.
Obama promised to hold wall street accountable for the financial crisis, and then bailed out the criminal bankers while helping them kick 5 million middle/lower class families out of their houses. Obama promised healthcare to all, and 8 years later when he left office there were was still ~30m americans uninsured and ~50m underinsured, and half a million americans were going bankrupt to medical bills every year. Obama promised to end our foreign wars and close Guantanamo, instead he started new wars in Libya, Syria and Yemen, while failing to end conflict in Iraq or Afghanistan, and the Guantanamo torture prison remains open to this day. Obama promised to have the most transparent administration of all time, and then prosecuted whistleblowers at the highest rate of any president in US history. Obama presided over the single greatest increase in wealth inequality of any president in US history, black and other minority households were hit particularly hard during this period.
The only thing Obama did effectively was give speeches. His speaking skills were so good that libtard sheep like you and other braindead msm worshipping posters are completely blind to the countless ways that Obama was absolutely catastrophic for the non-wealthy in america and abroad. Anyone who thinks that Obama could have coasted past 2016 Trump is completely unaware of the suffering of modern american workers, as well as their thoughts/feelings about the US govt.
ZenMaster
04-02-2020, 06:24 AM
The main reason Trump beat Hillary - the supposed "most qualified candidate of all time", a candidate who had the benefit of having 100% of the media and establishment behind her - is specifically because of the lies and failures of Obama.
Obama promised to hold wall street accountable for the financial crisis, and then bailed out the criminal bankers while helping them kick 5 million middle/lower class families out of their houses. Obama promised healthcare to all, and 8 years later when he left office there were was still ~30m americans uninsured and ~50m underinsured, and half a million americans were going bankrupt to medical bills every year. Obama promised to end our foreign wars and close Guantanamo, instead he started new wars in Libya, Syria and Yemen, while failing to end conflict in Iraq or Afghanistan, and the Guantanamo torture prison remains open to this day. Obama promised to have the most transparent administration of all time, and then prosecuted whistleblowers at the highest rate of any president in US history. Obama presided over the single greatest increase in wealth inequality of any president in US history, black and other minority households were hit particularly hard during this period.
The only thing Obama did effectively was give speeches. His speaking skills were so good that libtard sheep like you and other braindead msm worshipping posters are completely blind to the countless ways that Obama was absolutely catastrophic for the non-wealthy in america and abroad. Anyone who thinks that Obama could have coasted past 2016 Trump is completely unaware of the suffering of modern american workers, as well as their thoughts/feelings about the US govt.
A shame really, that many people can't see how the Democratic party left the workers and their interests behind. Instead it's become this muddy message of victimization and how to regulate it through more rules and laws.
Since their message now doesn't really represent anything, they have to resort to making it as simple as possible. A battle of good vs evil, framing the sitting president in the minds of Democrats as an insane racist mass murderer..Talk about divide.
Nanners
04-02-2020, 06:40 AM
A shame really, that many people can't see how the Democratic party left the workers and their interests behind. Instead it's become this muddy message of victimization and how to regulate it through more rules and laws.
Since their message now doesn't really represent anything, they have to resort to making it as simple as possible. A battle of good vs evil, framing the sitting president in the minds of Democrats as an insane racist mass murderer..Talk about divide.
Their message does represent something.... it represents the interests of the upper middle class and the lower upper class... aka the members of the meritocracy. They are trying to become the party of people who were indoctrinated at "good" schools and got "good" jobs, the party of people who think that the millions of folks who didnt go to "good" schools and get "good" jobs are somehow lesser than them. The dem party abandoned the interests of the poor and the workers, and took up the interests of managers, lawyers, programmers, and dentists.
The problem for the dems is the fact that wealthy professionals are fairly small in number, and the fact that the majority of these people have voted republican historically. Even if you manage to win some elections on the back of the members of the meritocracy, they will never represent anything remotely close to a majority... they represent a small segment of society and one that is historically split with republicans.
bballer
04-02-2020, 08:21 AM
Biden has Alzheimers and Trump has dementia. We are ****ed
Manny98
04-02-2020, 08:34 AM
Imagine voting for a child molester with Alzheimer's for president :oldlol:
JohnFreeman
04-02-2020, 09:26 AM
If Obama was so popular, Hillary would not have lost. Reagan pulled Bush over the finish line after he was 30 points down. Obama had 95% positive press coverage and Trump has a higher approval rating than he did at the same time in his presidency. You know why Obama won? Because he was Black, affirmative action for President.
Facepalm
04-02-2020, 10:07 AM
Trump approval rating is currently at the all time high for his presidency, but go ahead and keep telling yourself that nobody is going to vote for him.
Since we are trusting polls again, how about you post the ones that have Biden trashing Trump in the GE, despite Trump's current approval ratings.
Currently, national polling suggests that Biden is the frontrunner in the general election as well. An average of recent surveys compiled by Real Clear Politics shows Biden ahead of Trump by about 6.5 points.
A poll by Harvard and Harris conducted from March 24 to 26 shows Biden beating Trump by 10 points, with 55 percent compared to the president's 45 percent. Sanders would also beat Trump in that survey, albeit by a narrower margin of 6 points, 53 percent to 47 percent.
Earlier this month, Fox News released its latest election poll, showing Biden ahead of Trump by 9 points. The former vice president was supported by 49 percent of respondents while the president was backed by just 40 percent. However, 11 percent of respondents in that survey said they were not sure who they would back, or supported a different candidate Or do these polls not count? :oldlol:
Polling Data
Poll Date Sample MoE
Biden (D)
Trump (R)
Spread
RCP Average 3/11 - 3/30 -- -- 50.4 44.3 Biden +6.1
Grinnell/Selzer 3/27 - 3/30 777 LV 3.5 47 43 Biden +4
Harvard-Harris 3/24 - 3/26 2410 RV 2.0 55 45 Biden +10
ABC News/Wash Post 3/22 - 3/25 845 RV 3.5 49 47 Biden +2
FOX News 3/21 - 3/24 1011 RV 3.0 49 40 Biden +9
Monmouth 3/18 - 3/22 754 RV 3.6 48 45 Biden +3
Emerson 3/18 - 3/19 1100 RV 2.9 53 47 Biden +6
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 3/11 - 3/13 900 RV 3.3 52 43 Biden +9
All General Election: Trump vs. Biden Polling Data
Nanners
04-02-2020, 10:13 AM
Since we are trusting polls again, how about you post the one that has Biden trashing Trump in the GE, despite Trump's current approval ratings. Or does that one not count? :oldlol:
You mean the poll where Biden is barely beating Trump in the GE (its within the margin of error), while Trump is lightyears ahead of Biden on enthusiasm? https://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1212a32020Election.pdf
If you are talking about a different poll, go ahead and link it
member when the polls showed Hillary steamrolling Trump? I bet you do
JohnFreeman
04-02-2020, 10:13 AM
Since we are trusting polls again, how about you post the ones that have Biden trashing Trump in the GE, despite Trump's current approval ratings. Or do these polls not count? :oldlol:
However, 11 percent of respondents in that survey said they were not sure who they would back, or supported a different candidate
so....Trump voters
Facepalm
04-02-2020, 10:21 AM
You mean the poll where Biden is barely beating Trump in the GE (its within the margin of error), while Trump is lightyears ahead of Biden on enthusiasm? https://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1212a32020Election.pdf
If you are talking about a different poll, go ahead and link it
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html
Yea...these are not numbers aren't barely beating.
member when the polls showed Hillary steamrolling Trump? I bet you do
So are we only trusting polling that favors Trump? Got it :oldlol:
Remember when Hillary crushed Trump in actual votes? I bet you do
~primetime~
04-02-2020, 10:22 AM
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html
Biden polling better...but these polls don't account for the electoral collage
Hillary polled better...and the polls were right...she got more votes...but the EC beat her, which aren't shown in the polls
Facepalm
04-02-2020, 10:23 AM
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html
Biden polling better...but these polls don't account for the electoral collage
Hillary polled better...and the polls were right...she got more votes...but the EC beat her, which aren't shown in the polls
Exactly. It's all about the EC. I'd like to see the polls in the individual swing states. That would give us a better idea.
Nanners
04-02-2020, 10:29 AM
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html
Yea...these are not numbers aren't barely beating.
If these RCP polls were remotely legit, then Bernie would have been obliterating Creepy Joe over the past couple months
Anyway, keep putting your faith in those numbers, no doubt the guy who cant finish a sentence without forgetting what he is talking about is going to win against an incombent who talks trash like a master pro-wrestler... lol
So are we only trusting polling that favors Trump? Got it :oldlol:
Remember when Hillary crushed Trump in actual votes? I bet you do
remember when Hillary lost the election? I bet you do :oldlol:
Norcaliblunt
04-02-2020, 10:47 AM
Joe Biden voted for the war in Iraq. Yeah screw him.
Rolando
04-02-2020, 11:10 AM
It is embarassing to see my fellow Democrats trying to convince themselves that Biden has a chance. You mainstreamers are about to get what you deserve: 4 more years of Trump. Maybe after that you'll start taking politics seriously enough to pay attention to the the issues. Maybe you'll think about what's important to you beyond the personality and appearance of a candidate. That harmless looking old guy that you are placing all your hopes in has about as much substance as a cardboard cut-out.
Facepalm
04-02-2020, 11:38 AM
If these RCP polls were remotely legit, then Bernie would have been obliterating Creepy Joe over the past couple months
Anyway, keep putting your faith in those numbers, no doubt the guy who cant finish a sentence without forgetting what he is talking about is going to win against an incombent who talks trash like a master pro-wrestler... lol
remember when Hillary lost the election? I bet you do :oldlol:
Remember when your guys got shellacked in 2018? I bet you do :roll:
rawimpact
04-02-2020, 12:08 PM
It is embarassing to see my fellow Democrats trying to convince themselves that Biden has a chance. You mainstreamers are about to get what you deserve: 4 more years of Trump. Maybe after that you'll start taking politics seriously enough to pay attention to the the issues. Maybe you'll think about what's important to you beyond the personality and appearance of a candidate. That harmless looking old guy that you are placing all your hopes in has about as much substance as a cardboard cut-out.
That's what happens when you want to win so bad that winning means more than doing what's for the better good. They seriously view Trump losing to a guy with a real neuro disorder as a win. When that poll a couple weeks back was released showing democrats care more about who can beat trump vs which democrat aligns with their views as being the decisive factor... you know they've lost it.
Bernie is a lightweight debate opponent, and yet Biden still come off incredibly weak against Bernie. If Bernie wasnt a spineless coward he would have destroyed Biden, but he didnt want to throw any real punches at his "friend" joe so he constantly let Joes lies and inconsistencies go unchallenged, and he left a ton of juicy material completely untouched - like Bidens corrupt dealings in Ukraine or his history of creepy touching. Bernies debate strategy is basically to just regurgitate parts of his stump speech whenever its his turn to talk.
Anyway, anyone who thinks Trump is a bad debater has the memory of a gnat. Trump absolutely obliterated everyone in the republican primary, and easily went toe-to-toe with Hillary... he is going to run circles around sleepy joe.
Lol if Bernie is a “spineless coward” what is your hero Tulsi the Biden stan?
Rolando
04-02-2020, 12:27 PM
That's what happens when you want to win so bad that winning means more than doing what's for the better good. They seriously view Trump losing to a guy with a real neuro disorder as a win. When that poll a couple weeks back was released showing democrats care more about who can beat trump vs which democrat aligns with their views as being the decisive factor... you know they've lost it.
Exactly this. I didn't even know about this poll but that pretty much sums it up.
rawimpact
04-02-2020, 12:37 PM
Exactly this. I didn't even know about this poll but that pretty much sums it up.
See here:
The poll also asked registered Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents about their party’s nomination process. In considering who should be their party’s standard bearer, a majority of 56% prefer someone who would be a strong candidate against Trump even if they disagree with that candidate on most issues. Just 33% say they would prefer a nominee who they are aligned with on the issues even if that person would have a hard time beating Trump. Democratic women (61%) are more likely than men (45%) to say they would put their policy positions aside in order to get a nominee who could beat Trump.
Source: https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_US_020419/
Rolando
04-02-2020, 12:57 PM
See here:
Source: https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_US_020419/
Absolute Morons.
rawimpact
04-02-2020, 01:09 PM
Absolute Morons.
That is what you call textbook sheep...
bladefd
04-02-2020, 01:47 PM
See here:
Source: https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_US_020419/
That way of thinking is why a moron con-artist like Trump won in 2016. If 2018 blue wave is any sign though then the signs are all against Trump repeating. Unfortunately, the Democrats have pushed forward a very much flawed candidate in Biden who should have ran in 2016. Biden would have won in 2016 when his mental faculties were in order. Democrats need to stop this "I lost to you in 2008 primary, next time it will be my turn in national election", which is what Hillary was essentially. She lost in 2008 so the DNC secretly gave her the wink-wink that she will be the candidate next after Obama's term(s).
Before the election ever began, Hillary was the candidate. They tried the same with Biden but Bernie had pushed through some changes in Democrat party in 2016 where superdelegates can't pledge until at the convention and only if 1st round of delegates is not outright majority to one candidate. Biden was getting destroyed first few states, coming in 4th, 5th and 2nd until North Carolina. Amy/Pete had no chance in the Southern states so DNC decided to pressure them all to get behind Biden, who had outright black support.
Hopefully Bernie can push more changes through to dwindle away more of the Establishment power. That's how you make system change happen on that scale. You have to slowly but continually push minor changes until you can push the old power out. I wish change on that systematic level could happen in single election cycle, but the truth is it can't. It must happen over a few elections.
Juxtapose that approach with a coward like nanners - "OH OH, MY BERNIE LOST. I give up. I completely give up. It's all over. I AM DONE. FU<K THIS. I AM JUMPING BOATS. GO TRUMP GO GO!!! I WANT TRUMP TO WIN. HE IS WONDERFUL! TO HELL WITH THE COWARD BERNIE AND AND.. AND.. AND THE DEMOCRATS! AND OBAMA AND THE WHOLE PARTY. TRUMP TRUMP ALL THE WAY!" :facepalm
rawimpact
04-02-2020, 02:17 PM
That way of thinking is why a moron con-artist like Trump won in 2016. If 2018 blue wave is any sign though then the signs are all against Trump repeating. Unfortunately, the Democrats have pushed forward a very much flawed candidate in Biden who should have ran in 2016. Biden would have won in 2016 when his mental faculties were in order. Democrats need to stop this "I lost to you in 2008 primary, next time it will be my turn in national election", which is what Hillary was essentially. She lost in 2008 so the DNC secretly gave her the wink-wink that she will be the candidate next after Obama's term(s).
Juxtapose that approach with a coward like nanners - "OH OH, MY BERNIE LOST. I give up. I completely give up. It's all over. I AM DONE. FU<K THIS. I AM JUMPING BOATS. GO TRUMP GO GO!!! I WANT TRUMP TO WIN. HE IS WONDERFUL! TO HELL WITH THE COWARD BERNIE AND AND.. AND.. AND THE DEMOCRATS! AND OBAMA AND THE WHOLE PARTY. TRUMP TRUMP ALL THE WAY!" :facepalm
I can't speak for all but I chose trump because of his policies.
1. I dont want to pay a penalty for not having medical insurance. Not having medical insurance is my RIGHT in my opinion, not a bullshit high premium high deductable emergency plan...
2. I want better restriction when it comes to immigration from other countries
3. Lower taxes - I am a republican for this reason.
4. Remove ability for previous white house staff to become outside lobbyist
DoctorP
04-02-2020, 02:26 PM
I can't speak for all but I chose trump because of his policies.
1. I dont want to pay a penalty for not having medical insurance. Not having medical insurance is my RIGHT in my opinion, not a bullshit high premium high deductable emergency plan...
2. I want better restriction when it comes to immigration from other countries
3. Lower taxes - I am a republican for this reason.
4. Remove ability for previous white house staff to become outside lobbyist
a broke authoritarian. :lol
rawimpact
04-02-2020, 02:31 PM
a broke authoritarian. :lol
Call him what you want, but i've saved a couple thousand because of him vs his predecessor.
DoctorP
04-02-2020, 02:33 PM
Call him what you want, but i've saved a couple thousand because of him vs his predecessor.
no. youre the broke authoritarian, according to your list of goals here.
rawimpact
04-02-2020, 02:35 PM
no. youre the broke authoritarian, according to your list of goals here.
Whatever you say bud. I just want a small government.
DoctorP
04-02-2020, 02:35 PM
Whatever you say bud. I just want a small government.
sure. that's fine.
rawimpact
04-02-2020, 02:36 PM
sure. that's fine.
So why the need to attack me personally? Does it make you feel good to be a keyboard warrior?
DoctorP
04-02-2020, 02:37 PM
So why the need to attack me personally?
no, not an attack. I'm basically labeling your policy goals.
nothing wrong with being a broke authoritarian.
rawimpact
04-02-2020, 02:39 PM
no, not an attack. I'm basically labelling your policy goals.
You just said "youre the broke authoritarian"
But how exactly does my stance go along with any of that? I'm not an authoritarian - I dont hold a public seat, or any seat of authority. I dont want 'free' insurance - but that makes me broke?
DoctorP
04-02-2020, 02:42 PM
You just said "youre the broke authoritarian"
But how exactly does my stance go along with any of that? I'm not an authoritarian - I dont hold a public seat. I dont want 'free' insurance - but that makes me broke?
yes. according to your policies, you cant afford insurance and dont want to be penalized for it so obviously you are broke. You want immigration restriction so you are an authoritarian.
ANd then you want smallish government that is not authoritarian to you. Libertarian in that regard. Convenient.
rawimpact
04-02-2020, 02:46 PM
yes. according to your policies, you cant afford insurance and dont want to be penalized for it so obviously you are broke. You want immigration restriction so you are an authoritarian.
When did I say I can't afford insurance? If I wanted medical insurance I'd pay for concierge service - it's we've done with my wife. I want immigration restriction because I believe in investing in our population versus bringing in foreigners who have the highest remittance percentages Ex. India, Mexico etc.
I'm not going to gloat, but lets just say financially i'm more than stable. The fact that you took offense to what I said reflects more about you. I imagine it's tough finding how to spend your time in NYC right now, i'd consider a different avenue - I don't think this one suites you too well.
DoctorP
04-02-2020, 02:48 PM
When did I say I can't afford insurance? If I wanted medical insurance I'd pay for concierge service - it's we've done with my wife. I want immigration restriction because I believe in investing in our population versus bringing in foreigners who have the highest remittance percentages Ex. India, Mexico etc.
I'm not going to gloat, but lets just say financially i'm more than stable. The fact that you took offense to what I said reflects more about you. I imagine it's tough finding how to spend your time in NYC right now, i'd consider a different avenue - I don't think this one suites you too well.
Im not offended im just trying to rationalize here. so you can afford insurance yet you care that people that cant afford insurance are being penalized even though people under a certain tax bracket are exempt from the rule. Ok. So you are actually a hard line authoritarian.
DoctorP
04-02-2020, 02:49 PM
and you are also trying to tell me how to live my life so yeah you are a major authoritarian.
rawimpact
04-02-2020, 02:53 PM
Im not offended im just trying to rationalize here. so you can afford insurance yet you care that people that cant afford insurance are being penazlized even though people under a certain tax bracket are exempt from the rule. Ok. So you are actually a hard line authoritarian.
Penalizing people who cant afford insurance by paying for them? I believe in paying for what you want, not forcing someone able to do so to give you a handout. I'm not going to bother wasting my time on here to show you the hypocracy of calling someone an authoritarian yet, making personal attacks on here.
If you don't like the policies I do, move on... not sure why you're so bothered by it. Just because someone doesn't want to pay for something they don't utilize doesn't make them poor, it makes them frugal. Ask yourself how anyone that wants a smaller government would stand on those policies and you'll understand where I'm coming from.
DoctorP
04-02-2020, 02:54 PM
Penalizing people who cant afford insurance by paying for them? Get out of here... I believe in paying for what you want, not forcing someone able to do so to give you a handout. I'm not going to bother wasting my time on here to show you the hypocracy of calling someone an authoritarian yet, making personal attacks on here.
If you don't like the policies I do, move on... not sure why you're so bothered by it. Just because someone doesn't want to pay for something they don't utilize doesn't make them poor, it makes them frugal. Ask yourself how anyone that wants a smaller government would stand on those policies and you'll understand where I'm coming from.
im not attacking you im just labelling your position. so insecurrrr
You're a classic right-ist.
Hawker
04-02-2020, 03:34 PM
That way of thinking is why a moron con-artist like Trump won in 2016. If 2018 blue wave is any sign though then the signs are all against Trump repeating. Unfortunately, the Democrats have pushed forward a very much flawed candidate in Biden who should have ran in 2016. Biden would have won in 2016 when his mental faculties were in order. Democrats need to stop this "I lost to you in 2008 primary, next time it will be my turn in national election", which is what Hillary was essentially. She lost in 2008 so the DNC secretly gave her the wink-wink that she will be the candidate next after Obama's term(s).
Before the election ever began, Hillary was the candidate. They tried the same with Biden but Bernie had pushed through some changes in Democrat party in 2016 where superdelegates can't pledge until at the convention and only if 1st round of delegates is not outright majority to one candidate. Biden was getting destroyed first few states, coming in 4th, 5th and 2nd until North Carolina. Amy/Pete had no chance in the Southern states so DNC decided to pressure them all to get behind Biden, who had outright black support.
Hopefully Bernie can push more changes through to dwindle away more of the Establishment power. That's how you make system change happen on that scale. You have to slowly but continually push minor changes until you can push the old power out. I wish change on that systematic level could happen in single election cycle, but the truth is it can't. It must happen over a few elections.
Juxtapose that approach with a coward like nanners - "OH OH, MY BERNIE LOST. I give up. I completely give up. It's all over. I AM DONE. FU<K THIS. I AM JUMPING BOATS. GO TRUMP GO GO!!! I WANT TRUMP TO WIN. HE IS WONDERFUL! TO HELL WITH THE COWARD BERNIE AND AND.. AND.. AND THE DEMOCRATS! AND OBAMA AND THE WHOLE PARTY. TRUMP TRUMP ALL THE WAY!" :facepalm
Cringe.
bladefd
04-02-2020, 04:15 PM
I can't speak for all but I chose trump because of his policies.
1. I dont want to pay a penalty for not having medical insurance. Not having medical insurance is my RIGHT in my opinion, not a bullshit high premium high deductable emergency plan...
2. I want better restriction when it comes to immigration from other countries
3. Lower taxes - I am a republican for this reason.
4. Remove ability for previous white house staff to become outside lobbyist
1) Well, if everyone is not insured then what happens is if someone uninsured ends up in the ER, their bill ends up circulating back to those with insurance so they end up paying for it. I would have no issue with you being uninsured on one condition : you sign a waiver saying if you end up in the ER, you will be denied access because you are not insured unless if you are willing to pay out of pocket. That would stop the freeloaders. Would you be willing to sign that waiver? Would everyone choosing to be uninsured willing to sign that waiver?
The best alternative is universal health care, of course. Everyone should be supporting such a system. If you are a citizen or greencard holder or if you pay taxes, you should be eligible for it. If you are not any of those 3, you are not eligible. Then we can consolidate a lot of trash private plans, medicare, medicaid, veterans health, Obamacare, and eliminate the administrative expenses (which account for 1/3 of ALL health care costs). We actually save money in the long run..
2) That's fine. But there are better ways of doing that than the wall. The Trump Wall is useless and not stopping people.
3) Your taxes went down but Trump drove up our deficits up the wazoo into the trillion dollar annual territory. Part of that is due to driving up military spending beyond reason.. It doesn't help anyone to be running a trillion dollar deficit. Whenever Republicans take office, they drive up spending and whenever Democrats take office, spending comes down (you would expect the exact opposite but facts say otherwise). I believe we need to cut spending more than giving massive tax cuts to the wealthy. Many corporations don't even pay taxes thanks to loopholes and tax exploits..
4) That's fine. I actually think money in politics needs to be brought down as a whole. Get rid of citizens united and make sure that politicians have to publicly disclose every penny they take from any lobbyist, lobbying group or political contribution. I guarantee you Trump and Republicans would never support that and neither would most Democrat establishment. So you are not voting for what your interests are.
bladefd
04-02-2020, 04:17 PM
Whatever you say bud. I just want a small government.
Not getting small anytime soon under Trump or Republicans (unless if you get someone like Rand Paul)
rawimpact
04-02-2020, 04:28 PM
1) Well, if everyone is not insured then what happens is if someone uninsured ends up in the ER, their bill ends up circulating back to those with insurance so they end up paying for it. I would have no issue with you being uninsured on one condition : you sign a waiver saying if you end up in the ER, you will be denied access because you are not insured unless if you are willing to pay out of pocket. That would stop the freeloaders. Would you be willing to sign that waiver? Would everyone choosing to be uninsured willing to sign that waiver?
The best alternative is universal health care, of course. Everyone should be supporting such a system. If you are a citizen or greencard holder or if you pay taxes, you should be eligible for it. If you are not any of those 3, you are not eligible. Then we can consolidate a lot of trash private plans, medicare, medicaid, veterans health, Obamacare, and eliminate the administrative expenses (which account for 1/3 of ALL health care costs).
2) That's fine. But there are better ways of doing that than the wall. The Trump Wall is useless and not stopping people.
3) Your taxes went down but Trump drove up our deficits up the wazoo into the trillion dollar annual territory. Part of that is due to driving up military spending beyond reason.. It doesn't help anyone to be running a trillion dollar deficit. Whenever Republicans take office, they drive up spending and whenever Democrats take office, spending comes down (you would expect the exact opposite but facts say otherwise). I believe we need to cut spending more than giving massive tax cuts to the wealthy. Many corporations don't even pay taxes thanks to loopholes and tax exploits..
4) That's fine. I actually think money in politics needs to be brought down as a whole. Get rid of citizens united and make sure that politicians have to publicly disclose every penny they take from any lobbyist, lobbying group or political contribution. I guarantee you Trump and Republicans would never support that and neither would most Democrat establishment. So you are not voting for what your interests are.
1. Of course, i've decided that is the risk I take... If i had health issues or family history that is more significant i'd probably opt for my insurers 80% subsidized plan.
2. Sure there are, i'd like to start with remittance taxation.
3. The deficit will always go up, I don't think that's going to change in my generation
DoctorP
04-02-2020, 04:33 PM
Is BladeFd an educator?
Impressive stuff dude.
Lakers Legend#32
04-02-2020, 05:07 PM
Biden has Alzheimer's?
This from the people whose candidate said windmills cause cancer?
Projecting much, Trump Tards.
Hawker
04-02-2020, 05:34 PM
1) Well, if everyone is not insured then what happens is if someone uninsured ends up in the ER, their bill ends up circulating back to those with insurance so they end up paying for it. I would have no issue with you being uninsured on one condition : you sign a waiver saying if you end up in the ER, you will be denied access because you are not insured unless if you are willing to pay out of pocket. That would stop the freeloaders. Would you be willing to sign that waiver? Would everyone choosing to be uninsured willing to sign that waiver?
The best alternative is universal health care, of course. Everyone should be supporting such a system. If you are a citizen or greencard holder or if you pay taxes, you should be eligible for it. If you are not any of those 3, you are not eligible. Then we can consolidate a lot of trash private plans, medicare, medicaid, veterans health, Obamacare, and eliminate the administrative expenses (which account for 1/3 of ALL health care costs). We actually save money in the long run..
2) That's fine. But there are better ways of doing that than the wall. The Trump Wall is useless and not stopping people.
3) Your taxes went down but Trump drove up our deficits up the wazoo into the trillion dollar annual territory. Part of that is due to driving up military spending beyond reason.. It doesn't help anyone to be running a trillion dollar deficit. Whenever Republicans take office, they drive up spending and whenever Democrats take office, spending comes down (you would expect the exact opposite but facts say otherwise). I believe we need to cut spending more than giving massive tax cuts to the wealthy. Many corporations don't even pay taxes thanks to loopholes and tax exploits..
4) That's fine. I actually think money in politics needs to be brought down as a whole. Get rid of citizens united and make sure that politicians have to publicly disclose every penny they take from any lobbyist, lobbying group or political contribution. I guarantee you Trump and Republicans would never support that and neither would most Democrat establishment. So you are not voting for what your interests are.
Military spending is about 15% of all spending last I checked. The vast majority of spending comes from entitlements such as medicare, medicaid and social security. To act like you care about the deficit and propose no cuts to these programs is to be intellectually dishonest. It's just agenda driven nonsense.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Federal_Revenue_and_Spending.png/525px-Federal_Revenue_and_Spending.png
ArbitraryWater
04-02-2020, 05:49 PM
Bernie is a lightweight debate opponent, and yet Biden still come off incredibly weak against Bernie. If Bernie wasnt a spineless coward he would have destroyed Biden, but he didnt want to throw any real punches at his "friend" joe so he constantly let Joes lies and inconsistencies go unchallenged, and he left a ton of juicy material completely untouched - like Bidens corrupt dealings in Ukraine or his history of creepy touching. Bernies debate strategy is basically to just regurgitate parts of his stump speech whenever its his turn to talk.
Anyway, anyone who thinks Trump is a bad debater has the memory of a gnat. Trump absolutely obliterated everyone in the republican primary, and easily went toe-to-toe with Hillary... he is going to run circles around sleepy joe.
Pretty much this.
Bernie is soft. Not good for an American Election.
bladefd
04-02-2020, 05:49 PM
Military spending is about 15% of all spending last I checked. The vast majority of spending comes from entitlements such as medicare, medicaid and social security. To act like you care about the deficit and propose no cuts to these programs is to be intellectually dishonest. It's just agenda driven nonsense.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Federal_Revenue_and_Spending.png/525px-Federal_Revenue_and_Spending.png
You cut medicare, medicaid, VA, overall healthcare costs (including outrageous administrative costs and needless middleman in insurance companies) with an universal health care plan everyone pays into. Also have direct negotiations with big pharma (with all numbers public). You also don't need to spend 750bn on military. Slash that in almost half for even more savings.
It is possible to cut our trillion dollar deficit by more than half with a competent president and Congress without major cuts to what you call entitlement programs. Then you can start slashing further into those programs to balance our books. You can also integrate a tiny speculation tax for speculative trading. Small stuff here, small stuff there would add up quickly.
Jasper
04-02-2020, 10:47 PM
Lol Trump is a hell of a lot sharper. Every time Biden opens his mouth he fvcks up. If this is the best Dems can do than this will be an easy re-election
Imagine Biden as a cripple , beating Trump / another cripple
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