LeBron in 2016 vs Kawhi in 2019: Which championship run was more impressive?

[dreamshake]

Both were firsts for historically losing franchises.
2016 Cavs or 2019 Raptors?
Who you got?

[DoctorP]

Both were firsts for historically losing franchises.
2016 Cavs or 2019 Raptors?
Who you got?

both equally impressive.

LeBron had to lift more of a load probably but Kawhi didn't have the commish's help although he did have the help of injuries. I'm going to call this a tie. Kawhi also had to beat a formidable Bucks team along the way.

Did Steph choke both times? :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

First 3 rounds: Kawhi
Finals: LeBron

[Stanley Kobrick]

2016 was the Finals were the leagues UMVP blew a 3-1 lead to Mathew Dellavedova

[warriorfan]

Leonard hands down. Better competition. No complaining and crying to Adam Silver. Leonard’s was a lot more legit.

[scuzzy]

Both laid a hot steamy deuce on Curry's face per usual

[red1]

cant go wrong either way. two GOAT-tier champions. I'm talking about the raptors and lebron.




great thread OP.

[DoctorP]

Ultimately, Wade's in 2006 trumps both of em.

:pimp:

[RRR3]

Leonard hands down. Better competition. No complaining and crying to Adam Silver. Leonard’s was a lot more legit.
LeBron’s made you meltdown more.

[SouBeachTalents]

Leonard hands down. Better competition. No complaining and crying to Adam Silver. Leonard’s was a lot more legit.
So after crying about injuries for 4 years, the Warriors injuries last year suddenly don't matter huh :lol

[StrongLurk]

Lebron and KD have both had plenty of runs better than Kawhi last year.

[warriorfan]

So after crying about injuries for 4 years, the Warriors injuries last year suddenly don't matter huh :lol

No they do. But Kawhi didn’t cry to Adam Silver. That’s the tiebreaker against LeBitch.

[Axe]

2019 by a slight margin. It still intrigues me to see kawhi play in a raptors uniform, as well as conquering the east last year. If he only stayed but different things happened instead.

[And1AllDay]

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[Bronbron23]

Both were firsts for historically losing franchises.
2016 Cavs or 2019 Raptors?
Who you got?

Neither were all that impressive tbh. Kawhi beat a beat up warriors team and lebron beat a bunch of unathletic players that were successful just because they utilized old school ball movement in an era that emphasis one player ball dominance. If i had to pick id say lebron though

[And1AllDay]

Neither were all that impressive tbh. Kawhi beat a beat up warriors team and lebron beat a bunch of unathletic players that were successful just because they utilized old school ball movement in an era that emphasis one player ball dominance. If i had to pick id say lebron though

:oldlol: and your a bronbron fan right? foh

[Whoah10115]

The look of the page is so schizophrenic.

The answer is LeBron, by margins. The Warriors choked, got screwed, got hurt, choked again.

Even so...Toronto certainly better than Cleveland. And the Warriors were more hurt in 2019 than 2016.

[Axe]

The look of the page is so schizophrenic.

The answer is LeBron, by margins. The Warriors choked, got screwed, got hurt, choked again.

Even so...Toronto certainly better than Cleveland. And the Warriors were more hurt in 2019 than 2016.
Raptors also had a better coach. Lue was just a wimp.

[SouBeachTalents]

Neither were all that impressive tbh. Kawhi beat a beat up warriors team and lebron beat a bunch of unathletic players that were successful just because they utilized old school ball movement in an era that emphasis one player ball dominance. If i had to pick id say lebron though
So then what the hell would you consider impressive then :lol

[Turbo Slayer]

LeBron by a margin.

The 2019 Warriors suffered more severe injuries when KD and Klay went down. The Warriors simply got screwed there.

The 2016 Warriors though, they suffered less injuries in the Finals.

LeBron, hands down.

[Bronbron23]

:oldlol: and your a bronbron fan right? foh

Parden the pun but im not a huge fan of the word fan. It assumes that you like the person in question. I could give 2 shits about lebron or mj as people. I dont know either one of them. I just happen to think mj and bron are 2 of the best players i ever saw. You can throw kobe in there too.

So with that said am i wrong? Are curry, klay and green really that scary? Bron fans diss mj for apparently playing against non athletic players but at the same time praise bron for beating 3 of the least athletic players ever. You cant have it both ways

[Bronbron23]

So then what the hell would you consider impressive then :lol
Most finals are 2 teams that are close in talent so im not sure i would use the word impressive to describe most championship teams. Mavs in 11 was impressive. Bad boy pistons chips were impressive given what they had. Wade in 06 was impressive given his team. Spurs in 14 was impressive given how old they were going up against a younger more talented heat team. Im sure im missing a few

[dreamshake]

The look of the page is so schizophrenic.

The answer is LeBron, by margins. The Warriors choked, got screwed, got hurt, choked again.

Even so...Toronto certainly better than Cleveland. And the Warriors were more hurt in 2019 than 2016.

Fake news.

2019 Warriors had a full squad minus KD and even then he came back for a game. Klay missed one or two at the end.

In 2016, Warriors lost Bogut to injury, and Draymond Green to a highly controversial suspension. That team didn't even have KD.

2019 Warriors were clearly the superior to the 2016 version.

[Axe]

Fake news.

2019 Warriors had a full squad minus KD and even then he came back for a game. Klay missed one or two at the end.

In 2016, Warriors lost Bogut to injury, and Draymond Green to a highly controversial suspension. That team didn't even have KD.
Cousins was sidelined for two series i believe. Iggy also had a nagging injury but despite all those injuries, they were still able to sweep the trailblazers in the wcf and had a 10-day rest, unlike the raptors who had a shorter 5-day rest.

[SouBeachTalents]

Fake news.

2019 Warriors had a full squad minus KD and even then he came back for a game. Klay missed one or two at the end.

In 2016, Warriors lost Bogut to injury, and Draymond Green to a highly controversial suspension. That team didn't even have KD.

2019 Warriors were clearly the superior to the 2016 version.
KD came back for literally one quarter, and Klay missed more time in 2019 than Dray did in 2016

[warriorfan]

Fake news.

2019 Warriors had a full squad minus KD and even then he came back for a game. Klay missed one or two at the end.

In 2016, Warriors lost Bogut to injury, and Draymond Green to a highly controversial suspension. That team didn't even have KD.

2019 Warriors were clearly the superior to the 2016 version.

As a fan of the warriors. I have to agree. LeBron in the first 4 games failed to score 30 points per game and shot very inefficiently. After the suspension and injuries he went in the last 3 vs the hobbled warriors team. That plus Steph Curry was still injured from tearing his MCL earlier in the playoffs against the Rockets. So with your only rim protection out, best defender suspended, best perimeter defender injured, and best player playing on a bad knee... All things considered. 2016 wasn’t a very legit championship. Leonard’s 2019 was vs better competition.

[TheCorporation]

KD came back for literally one quarter, and Klay missed more time in 2019 than Dray did in 2016

Logic

Wrekt 'm again

[FireDavidKahn]

2016 was the greatest Finals and play off series in history

[TheCorporation]

2016 was the greatest Finals and play off series in history

Facts! 2016 is Tier A

2019 is Tier C w/ MJ's rings :lol

NEXT

[Axe]

Losers literally repeating the same things all over the time.

[DoctorP]

i think they may be programmed robots sent from Elon Musk

[Uncle Drew]

It's LeBron, we all know this. It's funny seeing the haters try to steer it the other way, but even they know they aren't making sense. Tough luck.

[Soundwave]

Kawhi because of the game winner against the 76ers. Kyrie hit the big dagger shots against the Warriors.

[Lebron23]

2016 Cavaliers. That team would also beat the 2019 Raptors. LeBron is the Raptors Killer.

[red1]

2016 Cavaliers. That team would also beat the 2019 Raptors. LeBron is the Raptors Killer.

derozan raptors =/= 2019 raptors :oldlol:

[Roundball_Rock]

Kawhi. He had to navigate a team that had 2 of their 5 starters.

Let's get real people.

[Hey Yo]

Both were firsts for historically losing franchises.
2016 Cavs or 2019 Raptors?
Who you got?
Dumb question is dumb

[FromDowntown]

Kawhi. He had to navigate a team that had 2 of their 5 starters.

Let's get real people.

Kawhi joined a 66 win team that played a team with two missing stars (KD, Klay)

Next

[Roundball_Rock]

Kawhi joined a 66 win team that played a team with two missing stars (KD, Klay)

Next

I was being sarcastic.

[Mamba4Life]

LeBron beat a 73 win team without HCA and he didn’t have any all star teammates


Kawhi beat a 58 win team while having HCA, another all star teammate, and the other teams best player tore their achilles


This thread is dumb


Heck, LeBron losing in the 2007 Finals is worth more than Kawhi’s 2018 ring :oldlol:

[hold this L]

It's Lebron. I was pissed with some of the issues that Warriors had in the finals with their players, but that pales when you look at the 19 finals. Curious what Kawhi will do now that he's in the west.

[Axe]

LeBron beat a 73 win team without HCA and he didn’t have any all star teammates


Kawhi beat a 58 win team while having HCA, another all star teammate, and the other teams best player tore their achilles


This thread is dumb


Heck, LeBron losing in the 2007 Finals is worth more than Kawhi’s 2018 ring :oldlol:
Another alt or dup? 🤔

[Gougou]

In the finals it is Lebron, in the playoffs it is Kawhi. Overall still Lebron I think, down 3-1 and win vs 73 win warriors team with MVP Curry is hard to do.

[Stephonit]

People have been trained to forget the playoffs is more than just the finals. It props up the lesser player's legacy given how much easier the lesser player's path to the finals was.

[RRR3]

People have been trained to forget the playoffs is more than just the finals. It props up the lesser player's legacy given how much easier the lesser player's path to the finals was.
Bad troll. Bad!

[houston]

Lebron wins this hands down.

[knicksman]

on paper/cover its lebron. But applying context/substance? Its kawhi. Lebron won coz of silver + superteam and kyrie. So its not really impressive.

[Overdrive]

2016 Cavaliers. That team would also beat the 2019 Raptors. LeBron is the Raptors Killer.

So when the stronger team wins it's more impressive?

OT: I liked Lebron's more, but judging by the meltdowns of some GS fan friends of mine Kawhi made them meltdown more. Lebron is great and hence they expected his team to have a chance.

[hold this L]

So when the stronger team wins it's more impressive?

OT: I liked Lebron's more, but judging by the meltdowns of some GS fan friends of mine Kawhi made them meltdown more. Lebron is great and hence they expected his team to have a chance.
That can't be right. 2016 hurts far more than 2019. The team was injured at a level probably never before seen in 2019. In 2016, Warriors had injuries but were 2-3 plays from winning B2B after winning 73 games in the regular season. Lebron rematch. Instead of Raptors.. and Kawhi? It doesn't pale in comparison.

[Mr Feeny]

Ultimately, Wade's in 2006 trumps both of em.

:pimp:


I think so as well. He was incredible against Detroit and nothing needs to be said about the finals.

[SouBeachTalents]

That can't be right. 2016 hurts far more than 2019. The team was injured at a level probably never before seen in 2019. In 2016, Warriors had injuries but were 2-3 plays from winning B2B after winning 73 games in the regular season. Lebron rematch. Instead of Raptors.. and Kawhi? It doesn't pale in comparison.
I was about to say, no way in hell would that be right :lol 2016 was one of the most epic series (and defeats) in NBA history. 2019 will mostly be remembered for all of the Warriors injuries, besides for Raptor fans it was a really forgettable series

[warriorfan]

I was about to say, no way in hell would that be right :lol 2016 was one of the most epic series (and defeats) in NBA history. 2019 will mostly be remembered for all of the Warriors injuries, besides for Raptor fans it was a really forgettable series

Denial: The Post

[SouBeachTalents]

Denial: The Post
Exhibit A would be this nikka's posts from 2016 :oldlol:

[Uncle Drew]

Exhibit A would be this nikka's posts from 2016 :oldlol:

:roll: Poor Welfarefan.

[Axe]

2019 will mostly be remembered for all of the Warriors injuries, besides for Raptor fans it was a really forgettable series
It sucks to hear that to say the least.

[Overdrive]

That can't be right. 2016 hurts far more than 2019. The team was injured at a level probably never before seen in 2019. In 2016, Warriors had injuries but were 2-3 plays from winning B2B after winning 73 games in the regular season. Lebron rematch. Instead of Raptors.. and Kawhi? It doesn't pale in comparison.

They're still crying because they thought they'd have this and still can't get over the 2 injuries costing them a championship.

No jab at Lebron from me here. I'm glad he won in 16. One of the cooler, dramatic finals I've seen and it was well deserved.

[Drygon]

LeBron by a margin.

The 2019 Warriors suffered more severe injuries when KD and Klay went down. The Warriors simply got screwed there.

The 2016 Warriors though, they suffered less injuries in the Finals.

LeBron, hands down.

KD was never that valuable for GSW. People even argued if GSW actually were a better team after KD went down.

Klay's injury was a non-factor, Raptors still won Game 1, Game 2 & Game 4 even with Klay on the court.

If anything, Bogut's injury in Game 5 of NBA Finals 2016 is way more impactful.

GSW had no rim protection and the likes of LeBron/Kyrie/TT had no issue dominating inside the paint.

GSW were even forced to give that useless Festus Ezeli heavy minites in Bogut's absence.

Also, Steph Curry & Iguodala had MCL-sprain & back spasm respectively.

[Axe]

KD was never that valuable for GSW. People even argued if GSW actually were a better team after KD went down.

Klay's injury was a non-factor, Raptors still won Game 1, Game 2 & Game 4 even with Klay on the court.

If anything, Bogut's injury in Game 5 of NBA Finals 2016 is way more impactful.

GSW had no rim protection and the likes of LeBron/Kyrie/TT had no issue dominating inside the paint.

GSW were even forced to give that useless Festus Ezeli heavy minites in Bogut's absence.

Also, Steph Curry & Iguodala had MCL-sprain & back spasm respectively.
What do you mean by this?

[FromDowntown]

Exhibit A would be this nikka's posts from 2016 :oldlol:

Another L for ZVC fa

[FromDowntown]

KD was never that valuable for GSW. People even argued if GSW actually were a better team after KD went down.

Klay's injury was a non-factor, Raptors still won Game 1, Game 2 & Game 4 even with Klay on the court.

If anything, Bogut's injury in Game 5 of NBA Finals 2016 is way more impactful.

GSW had no rim protection and the likes of LeBron/Kyrie/TT had no issue dominating inside the paint.

GSW were even forced to give that useless Festus Ezeli heavy minites in Bogut's absence.

Also, Steph Curry & Iguodala had MCL-sprain & back spasm respectively.

Hi 3ball, stop making accounts you sick bastard.

MJ wil never be #1 again, 2016 happened.

[Drygon]

KD was never that valuable for GSW. People even argued if GSW actually were a better team after KD went down.

Klay's injury was a non-factor, Raptors still won Game 1, Game 2 & Game 4 even with Klay on the court.

If anything, Bogut's injury in Game 5 of NBA Finals 2016 is way more impactful.

GSW had no rim protection and the likes of LeBron/Kyrie/TT had no issue dominating inside the paint.

GSW were even forced to give that useless Festus Ezeli heavy minites in Bogut's absence.

Also, Steph Curry & Iguodala had MCL-sprain & back spasm respectively.


What do you mean by this?

Pardon me?

[Axe]

Pardon me?
I mean how did the raptors won in game 2?

[Axe]

My bad. I meant Game 3.

Either way, Raptors were still clearly better than GSW even with Klay on the court in those 3 games.
Oh i see. But klay didn't play in game 3 at all.

[Drygon]

Oh i see. But klay didn't play in game 3 at all.

True. Raptors still have a 2-1 lead tho.

[SouBeachTalents]

KD was never that valuable for GSW. People even argued if GSW actually were a better team after KD went down.

Klay's injury was a non-factor, Raptors still won Game 1, Game 2 & Game 4 even with Klay on the court.

If anything, Bogut's injury in Game 5 of NBA Finals 2016 is way more impactful.

GSW had no rim protection and the likes of LeBron/Kyrie/TT had no issue dominating inside the paint.

GSW were even forced to give that useless Festus Ezeli heavy minites in Bogut's absence.

Also, Steph Curry & Iguodala had MCL-sprain & back spasm respectively.
This is legitimately the worst post of the year. 12 mpg Bogut is a bigger loss than both Durant AND Klay apparently :oldlol:

[Drygon]

This is legitimately the worst post of the year. 12 mpg Bogut is a bigger loss than both Durant AND Klay apparently :oldlol:

Yes, it was and shouldn't be even close.

When Andrew Bogut went down, Kerr was forced to hand significant minutes to Festus Ezeli and Anderson Varejao (whom I forgot to mention in my previous post). I mean, they both played nearly 10 minutes each in that game 7, and posted the worst +/-'s of the game thus shitting the bed.

Let's revisit midway through the 4th quarter of that final game:

Festus Ezeli checks in because Tristan Thompson is back and doing an incredible job on the glass. LeBron orchestrates a switch and gets Festus on an island. LeBron pump fakes from deep and Ezeli haphazardly bites on it and leaves his feet...this is like one of the only notes on the scouting report for "defending" one of the all-time great legends, don't sell out to contest a jump shot...also move your feet for the love of God. He was 0-4 from distance at that point in the game, and I don't think Bogut would have bailed him out with a foul behind the line.

Keep in mind, both teams struggled to score in that 4th quarter. Cavs ended up with 18 and the Warriors a lowly 13.

Anyways, LeBron smartly just leans in and draws the shooting foul. This was before his current free throw shooting woes, and LeBron sinks all three.

Next time down, same exact play, LeBron isoing methodically on the lower wing (his fav), Ezeli again ignores Draymond (might've been Iguodala this time) at the top of the key motioning to switchback, and gives LeBron way too much space, probably afraid of fouling again. LeBron calmly steps into the open three and drains it. That's a 6 point swing, and a whopping one third of their total fourth quarter points, in a matter of 32 in-game seconds. This was the turning point of the game in my opinion. Kerr calls timeout, corrects Festus, and the next Cavs possession LeBron misses a contested 22-footer because this time Ezeli understands what to do and initiates the correct switch-back to get a more appropriate defender matched up against LeBron.

Could LeBron have scored 6 points in 30 seconds iso'd against Bogut? Maybe! But, it would be far less likely, because Andrew Bogut was known for his defensive IQ and vet savvy. He probably wouldn't have been baited into the foul, and definitely facilitated the switch-back being called for by Draymond on the next possession.

[FromDowntown]

This is legitimately the worst post of the year. 12 mpg Bogut is a bigger loss than both Durant AND Klay apparently :oldlol:

That's because it's 3 ball...Only one person in sports forum history would be dumb enough to say this :lol

[warriorfan]

KD was never that valuable for GSW. People even argued if GSW actually were a better team after KD went down.

Klay's injury was a non-factor, Raptors still won Game 1, Game 2 & Game 4 even with Klay on the court.

If anything, Bogut's injury in Game 5 of NBA Finals 2016 is way more impactful.

GSW had no rim protection and the likes of LeBron/Kyrie/TT had no issue dominating inside the paint.

GSW were even forced to give that useless Festus Ezeli heavy minites in Bogut's absence.

Also, Steph Curry & Iguodala had MCL-sprain & back spasm respectively.

The truth. LeBron beat Injured Curry / Klay / Harrison Barnes / injured iguodala / Festus Ezeli

“Lebron beat a 73 win team though!”

:roll:

[Uncle Drew]

The truth. LeBron beat Injured Curry / Klay / Harrison Barnes / injured iguodala / Festus Ezeli

“Lebron beat a 73 win team though!”

:roll:

Yet it has taken you 4 years and counting to get over it, yikes. 2016 still stings, what a sight to behold.

[STATUTORY]

the one that didn't receive league intervention in the form of a Draymond suspension

[Drygon]

the one that didn't receive league intervention in the form of a Draymond suspension

The Cavs still won Game 6 and Game 7 even with Draymond available.