Michael Jordan Feared The Zone Defense

[FireDavidKahn]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVDjut6VAAECw6a?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

And people seriously say this dude didn't chase stats. He whored himself out in scoring while Pippen literally did the rest.

"GOAT"

:rolleyes::oldlol:

[3ball]

Jordan's comments assumed it would be a full zone like college and with legal hand-checking - once it turned out to have defensive 3 seconds and no hand-checking, he said he'd score 100 in today's game (and everyone agreed)

Ultimately, today's game doesn't have zone in the paint, where players are required to stay within "armslength" of their man.. that's the opposite of a zone and infact the strictest defense possible outside of having players stand shoulder-to-shoulder.

Btw, MJ had equal assists to Pippen and got more DPOY votes nearly every year.. So MJ had the goat scoring load and equal assists to Pippen, while being recognized as the better defender

Get your facts right

[Jasper]

I believe Jordan was trying the historic game 'pro ball' in tack.

You actually think anyone could of stopped Jordan ??
He is not Hardening

[HoopsNY]

Jordan's comments assumed it would be a full zone like college and with legal hand-checking - once it turned out to have defensive 3 seconds and no hand-checking, he said he'd score 100 in today's game (and everyone agreed)

Ultimately, today's game doesn't have zone in the paint, where players are required to stay within "armslength" of their man.. that's the opposite of a zone and infact the strictest defense possible outside of having players stand shoulder-to-shoulder.

Btw, MJ had equal assists to Pippen and got more DPOY votes nearly every year.. So MJ had the goat scoring load and equal assists to Pippen, while being recognized as the better defender

Get your facts right

So you're the famous 3ball everyone keeps thinking is me. Nice to meet you!

In addition to what you've mentioned, I think it's important to highlight that Jordan played with the new rules in 2001-2003 between the ages of 38-40. During the first season, he scored 30 or more points 16 times, 10 of them came against a defense that was top 13 in the league. I believe 7 of those 10 were against top 10 defenses. This included teams like Miami, Philadelphia, Utah, Charlotte (twice), New Jersey, etc.

Also bear in mind that MJ missed 20 games in this season, so if he scored 30 or more in 25% of his games, then it's reasonable to think that he would have added another 5 games to his total had he been healthy.

The following season, MJ scored 30 or more 9 times with 4 of them against the top ranked defenses (also 13th or better), in the league. Over the course of two seasons, he managed 23 games with 14 of them against the best defenses (nearly 61%), in the league. And all of this occurred between the ages of 38-40. He's the oldest player to score 40 pts in a game, and he's the oldest player to score 50 in a game - all while incorporating new rules that he had to adjust to.

Another reason this rule change doesn't make a difference in the grand scheme of things is because it didn't necessarily affect other perimeter players like Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, etc. All of these perimeter players posted their career highs in points per game AFTER the rule change came into effect. So what makes people think that a healthy, 25 year old Michael Jordan wouldn't be doing the same - minus hand-checking rules? If anything, his numbers would improve, even slightly.

[nizroc]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVDjut6VAAECw6a?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

And people seriously say this dude didn't chase stats. He whored himself out in scoring while Pippen literally did the rest.

"GOAT"

:rolleyes::oldlol:

So you say Pippen “literally did the rest” huh? Let’s see what the most cursory fact check shows.

For Michael’s career in Chicago his average rebounds per game and assists per game were 6.3 and 5.4 respectively.

If we count only the years after Pippen became a full time starter, his Chicago numbers for those two categories are 7.1 RPG and 5.9 APG.

Hmm, that doesn’t seem like a crazy difference does it? Doesn’t seem like one person doing “literally everything” while one does nothing.

Scottie’s blocks per game numbers starting from the first season he became a full-time starter in Chicago are about even with Michael’s for his career in Chicago, and Jordan’s steals per game are a bit higher over that same period.

As usual, the bombastic claims don’t hold up to the most basic scrutiny.

[andgar923]

Mods

[FKAri]

So you're the famous 3ball everyone keeps thinking is me. Nice to meet you!

In addition to what you've mentioned, I think it's important to highlight that Jordan played with the new rules in 2001-2003 between the ages of 38-40. During the first season, he scored 30 or more points 16 times, 10 of them came against a defense that was top 13 in the league. I believe 7 of those 10 were against top 10 defenses. This included teams like Miami, Philadelphia, Utah, Charlotte (twice), New Jersey, etc.

Also bear in mind that MJ missed 20 games in this season, so if he scored 30 or more in 25% of his games, then it's reasonable to think that he would have added another 5 games to his total had he been healthy.

The following season, MJ scored 30 or more 9 times with 4 of them against the top ranked defenses (also 13th or better), in the league. Over the course of two seasons, he managed 23 games with 14 of them against the best defenses (nearly 61%), in the league. And all of this occurred between the ages of 38-40. He's the oldest player to score 40 pts in a game, and he's the oldest player to score 50 in a game - all while incorporating new rules that he had to adjust to.

Another reason this rule change doesn't make a difference in the grand scheme of things is because it didn't necessarily affect other perimeter players like Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, etc. All of these perimeter players posted their career highs in points per game AFTER the rule change came into effect. So what makes people think that a healthy, 25 year old Michael Jordan wouldn't be doing the same - minus hand-checking rules? If anything, his numbers would improve, even slightly.

I'm glad you took the time to explain this. I'm sure that from now on we will NEVER see a thread like this on here again.

[HoopsNY]

I'm glad you took the time to explain this. I'm sure that from now on we will NEVER see a thread like this on here again.

Something tells me you're being sarcastic, lol.

[FireDavidKahn]

Jordan's comments assumed it would be a full zone like college and with legal hand-checking - once it turned out to have defensive 3 seconds and no hand-checking, he said he'd score 100 in today's game (and everyone agreed)

Ultimately, today's game doesn't have zone in the paint, where players are required to stay within "armslength" of their man.. that's the opposite of a zone and infact the strictest defense possible outside of having players stand shoulder-to-shoulder.

Btw, MJ had equal assists to Pippen and got more DPOY votes nearly every year.. So MJ had the goat scoring load and equal assists to Pippen, while being recognized as the better defender

Get your facts right

Pippen carried the team when it matted.

During the 6 titles:

Total points: MJ
Total rebounds: Tree Trunk
Total assists: MJ by 2 assists
Total steals: Tree Trunk
Total blocks: Tree Trunk
Better defender: Tree Trunk

Get your facts straight

[nizroc]

Pippen carried the team when it matted.

During the 6 titles:

Total points: MJ
Total rebounds: Tree Trunk
Total assists: MJ by 2 assists
Total steals: Tree Trunk
Total blocks: Tree Trunk
Better defender: Tree Trunk

Get your facts straight

So the rebounds, blocks , assists, and steals numbers are very close but MJ scored more by a mile. And..... somehow this leads your brain to the odd conclusion that MJ got carried by Pippen? Get back under your bridge.

[Cyrus334]

Pippen carried the team when it matted.

During the 6 titles:

Total points: MJ
Total rebounds: Tree Trunk
Total assists: MJ by 2 assists
Total steals: Tree Trunk
Total blocks: Tree Trunk
Better defender: Tree Trunk

Get your facts straight

Since you like facts so much, here's a picture full of some.
https://i.imgur.com/vq26SYl.jpg

[FireDavidKahn]

Damn I got two alts back to back

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[elementally morale]

I was someone who desperately rooted against Jordan. I wanted the Lakers to win. And the Blazers. The Suns, the Sonics and the Jazz. I mean... I hated Jordan. But... when the ball was in Pippen's hands I felt there is a chance. Jordan on the attack? No chance at all. Let's pray he misses.

Young dudes wouldn't know. It was Kobe... times 2.

[nizroc]

Damn I got two alts back to back

https://www.provue.com/panoramax/help/i/z20161125003240417.gif

You’re a troll. Why don’t you offer some honest analysis or run off and play.

[FireDavidKahn]

You’re a troll. Why don’t you offer some honest analysis or run off and play.

You're so afraid of calling me out on your real account that you have to do it on an alt.

Pathetic

[nizroc]

You're so afraid of calling me out on your real account that you have to do it on an alt.

Pathetic

I have no alts, troll. But insecure people rely on conspiracy theories for comfort so it’s ok I’m not mad at you. Keep trying to convince people Pippen carried the Bulls to six chips:oldlol:.

[Rico2016]

I believe Jordan was trying the historic game 'pro ball' in tack.

You actually think anyone could of stopped Jordan ??
He is not Hardening

If 6'3 Gary Payton held him to 25 on 40% in his prime, what do you think?

[FKAri]

Pathetic bitch whined about everything.

[nizroc]

If 6'3 Gary Payton held him to 25 on 40% in his prime, what do you think?

So your approach is going to be trying to diminish the defensive capabilities of Gary Payton? Really? You mean 9 time all defensive first team member and DPOY winner(in the year he faced Jordan) Gary Payton? This is just embarrassing honestly.

[Axe]

True goats choke in the finals. Unfortunately for mj, he didn't because he had tree trunk pippen. 🤷

[nayte]

editing For being to slow to reply. Carry on . Op still is shit tho. Still love him either way

[red1]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVDjut6VAAECw6a?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

And people seriously say this dude didn't chase stats. He whored himself out in scoring while Pippen literally did the rest.

"GOAT"

:rolleyes::oldlol:

:eek: 3ball where ya at?


mike also feared scottie taking his girl - aka taking his girl the way he took madonna and the way he took his team and lead them to 55 wins in '94


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[HoopsNY]

So your approach is going to be trying to diminish the defensive capabilities of Gary Payton? Really? You mean 9 time all defensive first team member and DPOY winner(in the year he faced Jordan) Gary Payton? This is just embarrassing honestly.

If we want to dissect that 1996 NBA finals, we find that Jordan actually averaged 27.3 ppg (not 25) and shot 41.5% (not 40%). And MJ still won finals MVP.

[FireDavidKahn]

If we want to dissect that 1996 NBA finals, we find that Jordan actually averaged 27.3 ppg (not 25) and shot 41.5% (not 40%). And MJ still won finals MVP.

Ben Wallace wasn't even a 1st ballot HOFer. The media doesn't give a shit about defense.

[nizroc]

True goats choke in the finals. Unfortunately for mj, he didn't because he had tree trunk pippen. ��

So the level of delusion is so strong with you guys that you hold it against somebody that they didn’t choke in the finals? Just give it up man.

[nizroc]

Ben Wallace wasn't even a 1st ballot HOFer. The media doesn't give a shit about defense.


What’s even the point of what you just said? I guess when one approach at trolling falls flat on its face, you move quickly on to another.

[Levity]

crazy that the GOAT midrange player was scared of a zone defense.

[Shooter]

Damn I got two alts back to back

https://www.provue.com/panoramax/help/i/z20161125003240417.gif

That's impressive. Rattled the low IQ cage I see. I'm jealous

[Lebron23]

Miami's modified zone defense would turn him into a better version of Demar Derozan.

[3ball]

only mj has played against a true zone - it was in college, when he was POY over Hakeem and Ewing

btw, mj said he was against the nba having a TRUE zone (like the one he faced in college).. but once the rule changes happened and he saw that it included an open paint (defensive 3) and no hand-checking or impeding movement, he said he would average 40 in today's game (and virtually everyone agrees)

[BigShotBob]

only mj has played against a true zone - it was in college, when he was POY over Hakeem and Ewing

btw, mj said he was against the nba having a TRUE zone (like the one he faced in college).. but once the rule changes happened and he saw that it included an open paint (defensive 3) and no hand-checking or impeding movement, he said he would average 40 in today's game (and virtually everyone agrees)

Yea I was gonna say that the NBA doesn't even play a real zone

[And1AllDay]

sh00keth

[TheCorporation]

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Simple Flow Chart




https://i.postimg.cc/15ZxGtnd/DaddyPipCarriesMJ.png

Epic Carry by Pippen, as per OP analysis. Spot on, per the usual :cheers:

[3ball]

https://i.postimg.cc/t4rdbbQd/mj_ring_flowchart.png

Simple Flow Chart




https://i.postimg.cc/15ZxGtnd/DaddyPipCarriesMJ.png

Epic Carry by Pippen, as per OP analysis. Spot on, per the usual :cheers:


Actually, everyone in history needed a "1b" teammate to match or exceed their playoff scoring for half their title runs

only Jordan could win with a true 2nd option like Pippen that scored far less for every playoff run..

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

In summary, Jordan is goat because he won a bunch of rings with true 2nd option - no one else did that - everyone else needed a 1b (equal-scoring partner) for half their rings, so they faced less defensive attention and had an easier stats/rings... Rings with 2nd options > rings with 1b's and MJ has 4 more rings with 2nd options than anyone in history

[Shooter]

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Simple Flow Chart




https://i.postimg.cc/15ZxGtnd/DaddyPipCarriesMJ.png

Epic Carry by Pippen, as per OP analysis. Spot on, per the usual :cheers:

Yikes

[Manny98]

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Simple Flow Chart




https://i.postimg.cc/15ZxGtnd/DaddyPipCarriesMJ.png

Epic Carry by Pippen, as per OP analysis. Spot on, per the usual :cheers:
:roll:

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

These are the same people that said Jordan would be DeMar DeRozan if he played today,a 20 ppg scorer & an average defender who couldn't shoot the 3-point shot.So if we get a time machine and get DeMar DeRozan to trade places with MJ in the 90-91 season he should have no problems winning 6+ championships for the bulls.

[FKAri]

These are the same people that said Jordan would be DeMar DeRozan if he played today,a 20 ppg scorer & an average defender who couldn't shoot the 3-point shot.So if we get a time machine and get DeMar DeRozan to trade places with MJ in the 90-91 season he should have no problems winning 6+ championships for the bulls.

8 because he wouldn't quit on his team to **** around for almost 2 seasons.

[Spurs m8]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVDjut6VAAECw6a?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

And people seriously say this dude didn't chase stats. He whored himself out in scoring while Pippen literally did the rest.

"GOAT"

:rolleyes::oldlol:

You are still the most embarrassing loser on this forum.

Mj triggering your bitch ass on the daily.

Hes been retired like 2 decades...Time to move on...bitch

[Shooter]

You are still the most embarrassing loser on this forum.

Mj triggering your bitch ass on the daily.

Hes been retired like 2 decades...Time to move on...bitch

Brotha, we've BEEN moved on :lol MJ is fighting for #2 or #3 at this point with Kareem.

LeKing is Top 1. Accept it, m8 :cheers:

[2much_knowledge]

So you say Pippen “literally did the rest” huh? Let’s see what the most cursory fact check shows.

For Michael’s career in Chicago his average rebounds per game and assists per game were 6.3 and 5.4 respectively.

If we count only the years after Pippen became a full time starter, his Chicago numbers for those two categories are 7.1 RPG and 5.9 APG.

Hmm, that doesn’t seem like a crazy difference does it? Doesn’t seem like one person doing “literally everything” while one does nothing.

Scottie’s blocks per game numbers starting from the first season he became a full-time starter in Chicago are about even with Michael’s for his career in Chicago, and Jordan’s steals per game are a bit higher over that same period.

As usual, the bombastic claims don’t hold up to the most basic scrutiny.

Don't try logic and facts with him. Its a waste of time lol

[2much_knowledge]

Brotha, we've BEEN moved on :lol MJ is fighting for #2 or #3 at this point with Kareem.

LeKing is Top 1. Accept it, m8 :cheers:

I suggest you take a stroll to the new thread i just posted. Can't wait to see how creative you get with the excuses

[TheGoatest]

https://i.postimg.cc/t4rdbbQd/mj_ring_flowchart.png

Simple Flow Chart




https://i.postimg.cc/15ZxGtnd/DaddyPipCarriesMJ.png

Epic Carry by Pippen, as per OP analysis. Spot on, per the usual :cheers:

Damn, so simple and so beautifully illustrated. No need to move goal posts and mention all kinds of teammates except Pippen.

[light]

https://s7.gifyu.com/images/jordan-decries-zone.png

He's not wrong.

LeBron > Jordan 4eva

[Lebron23]

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[RogueBorg]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVDjut6VAAECw6a?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

And people seriously say this dude didn't chase stats. He whored himself out in scoring while Pippen literally did the rest.

"GOAT"

:rolleyes::oldlol:

Over the coarse of their careers with the Bulls Jordan had more assists per game than Scottie, scored 14 ppg more, and was .2 behind Scottie in rebounds, Jordan had a higher FG%, 3-pt%, FT%, MVP's, and a DPOY...how exactly did Scottie "do the rest."

[RogueBorg]

If 6'3 Gary Payton held him to 25 on 40% in his prime, what do you think?

Do we really need to bring up 2011?

[Baller789]

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That's true for all the star players tho.
The playstyle would be more like the amateurs wherin system over players would be the norm.

That would be a bad idea from a marketing standpoint for the NBA.

[expansionera]

Lmao Jordan admits he couldn’t score with zone defense and his fans immediately try to take his words back for him. Guy is the GOAT of the primitive NBA wherein a hedge resulted in a whistle, in the modern NBA he’s Demar Derozan

[BigShotBob]

Lmao Jordan admits he couldn’t score with zone defense and his fans immediately try to take his words back for him. Guy is the GOAT of the primitive NBA wherein a hedge resulted in a whistle, in the modern NBA he’s Demar Derozan

Tracy McGrady called Jordan to ask him how to beat zone defense. And most teams don't play true zone since there is a defensive 3 seconds.

[expansionera]

Tracy McGrady called Jordan to ask him how to beat zone defense. And most teams don't play true zone since there is a defensive 3 seconds.

> There were 437 zone possessions in the bubble alone, more than half the 718 possessions played in 2017-18, according to Synergy Sports data. Zone defense boomed in 2018-19 when that number ballooned to 3,824, and by the end of the 2020 regular season (bubble included), the total number was 5,361.

Basically Jordan would be forced to shoot contested three pointers today to bust open zones but lacked the skill without the line being pushed up to accommodate him. Jordan today is an after thought

[BigShotBob]

> There were 437 zone possessions in the bubble alone, more than half the 718 possessions played in 2017-18, according to Synergy Sports data. Zone defense boomed in 2018-19 when that number ballooned to 3,824, and by the end of the 2020 regular season (bubble included), the total number was 5,361.

Basically Jordan would be forced to shoot contested three pointers today to bust open zones but lacked the skill without the line being pushed up to accommodate him. Jordan today is an after thought

I know you're a troll but that is blatantly false. No defensive 3 seconds = free run to the rim for MJ every time. No one can stay in front of him even with a zone since he has GOAT level off ball movement along with off the dribble movement and explosiveness.

[Johnny32]

I know you're a troll but that is blatantly false. No defensive 3 seconds = free run to the rim for MJ every time. No one can stay in front of him even with a zone since he has GOAT level off ball movement along with off the dribble movement and explosiveness.

lol so clueless.

[Baller789]

> There were 437 zone possessions in the bubble alone, more than half the 718 possessions played in 2017-18, according to Synergy Sports data. Zone defense boomed in 2018-19 when that number ballooned to 3,824, and by the end of the 2020 regular season (bubble included), the total number was 5,361.

Basically Jordan would be forced to shoot contested three pointers today to bust open zones but lacked the skill without the line being pushed up to accommodate him. Jordan today is an after thought

BS.

The NBA's zone isn't even true zone defences.

And zone can be broken by proper off ball action and ball movent.

[Johnny32]

BS.

The NBA's zone isn't even true zone defences.

And zone can be broken by proper off ball action and ball movent.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2895082-harder-than-man-why-the-nba-fell-in-love-with-zone-defense-this-year

lol bs? i googled his first sentence and found proof in 5 seconds.

[FireDavidKahn]

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Welp

:roll:

You heard it from MJ's own damn mouth.

LeHaters going to have to come up with new excuses now.

[Full Court]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVDjut6VAAECw6a?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

And people seriously say this dude didn't chase stats. He whored himself out in scoring while Pippen literally did the rest.

"GOAT"

:rolleyes::oldlol:

Whatever Jordan was doing, he must have been doing it right. I mean, he three-peated TWICE. How much better do you expect him to do?

[Baller789]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2895082-harder-than-man-why-the-nba-fell-in-love-with-zone-defense-this-year

lol bs? i googled his first sentence and found proof in 5 seconds.

I have a direct question for you.

Is the NBA's zone defence the same as FIBA zone D?

A. Yes
B. No

[Johnny32]

zone and defensive 3 second rules were implemented the same season. mj knew exactly what the rules would be when he made his "passionate plea"...none of your excuses are relevant.

[Baller789]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2895082-harder-than-man-why-the-nba-fell-in-love-with-zone-defense-this-year

lol bs? i googled his first sentence and found proof in 5 seconds.


I have a direct question for you.

Is the NBA's zone defence the same as FIBA zone D?

A. Yes
B. No


zone and defensive 3 second rules were implemented the same season. mj knew exactly what the rules would be when he made his "passionate plea"...none of your excuses are relevant.

No.

You aren't squirming out of this once you lil' twerp.

Is it A or B?

Anything you answer outside of these 2 means youre just full of BS.

[FireDavidKahn]

Whatever Jordan was doing, he must have been doing it right. I mean, he three-peated TWICE. How much better do you expect him to do?

Easy to do in a primitive era.

[Full Court]

Easy to do in a primitive era.

And yet nobody else was able to do it.

[Johnny32]

this kid thinks i'm his mom and when he say's jump i'll ask how high. fk outta here.

[FireDavidKahn]

And yet nobody else was able to do it.

Yeah. Jordan was the best for his era. His era wasn't the best overall.

That's why LeBron is the GOAT

[Axe]

Kids fighting over which candy tastes the best each day just keeps on getting tiresome to see itb.

[Bawkish]

Yeah. Jordan was the best for his era. His era wasn't the best overall.

That's why LeBron is the GOAT

Lebron's era wasn't the best either, most of his title runs were either bailout by teammates or lockout or in a bubble

[Full Court]

Yeah. Jordan was the best for his era. His era wasn't the best overall.

That's why LeBron is the GOAT

Even if Labron's era was the best, which it wasn't, he still wouldn't be the GOAT. Too many epic choke jobs. GOATs don't do that.

[Johnny32]

Lebron's era wasn't the best either, most of his title runs were either bailout by teammates or lockout or in a bubble

lebron led every championship team in pts, rbds, asts in the finals. his role on his championship teams is unequaled by anyone in nba history.

[Bawkish]

lebron led every championship team in pts, rbds, asts in the finals. his role on his championship teams is unequaled by anyone in nba history.

...and still short of surpassing MJ in rings

[Johnny32]

...and still short of surpassing MJ in rings

hurrr, and jordone is short of russell, durrr

[Axe]

lebron led every championship team in pts, rbds, asts in the finals. his role on his championship teams is unequaled by anyone in nba history.
Hurr

Dat's becuz da talent disparity dat he had between him and his teammates bt was huge. And i thought he elevated them somehow too? They rarely played as a real team like how basketball should always be. Anyway, dat's all.

Durr

[Bawkish]

hurrr, and jordone is short of russell, durrr

Russell's era is entirely a different era as a whole

MJ & the current era not so much

[Johnny32]

Russell's era is entirely a different era as a whole

MJ & the current era not so much

russell had more competition at center in his era than mj had two way wing competition in the 90s lol.

[expansionera]

...and still short of surpassing MJ in rings

Hard to do against actual competition. You really think Lebron and shooters can’t be the Jazz and the Sonics? :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVDjut6VAAECw6a?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

And people seriously say this dude didn't chase stats. He whored himself out in scoring while Pippen literally did the rest.

"GOAT"

:rolleyes::oldlol:

The truth is out there

https://i.postimg.cc/k4RZypFv/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

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The truth is out there

https://i.postimg.cc/k4RZypFv/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

It’s pathetic how much Jordan brand diminishes Scottie, he literally made Jordan relevant in the playoffs

[Axe]

russell had more competition at center in his era than mj had two way wing competition in the 90s lol.
Hurrr

If da so-called watered-down 90s came with two way wing competition then dat would only mean dat scottie pippen could have gotten his own ring without a ballhogging first option ryt?

Durrr

[Bawkish]

russell had more competition at center in his era than mj had two way wing competition in the 90s lol.

no competition? MJ dominated a big man's era, where most of top 10 scoring leaders were either centers or power forwards. There were rim protectors where most of the scoring is from the paint

[Axe]

no competition? MJ dominated a big man's era, where most of top 10 scoring leaders were either centers or power forwards. There were rim protectors where most of the scoring is from the paint
But he still went 1-9 in the postseason without dearest scottie

[Bawkish]

But he still went 1-9 in the postseason without dearest scottie

Cokehead teammates and arguably the GOAT team are too much for a young and injured MJ

[Johnny32]

Russell's era is entirely a different era as a whole

MJ & the current era not so much


no competition? MJ dominated a big man's era, where most of top 10 scoring leaders were either centers or power forwards. There were rim protectors where most of the scoring is from the paint

exactly. mj's era is closer to russell's than today's era. yet you don't want to count russell's rings only mj's lol. you made my point for me lol.

[Axe]

Cokehead teammates and arguably the GOAT team are too much for a young and injured MJ
Doug collins, who 3ball said was a better coach than the zenmaster phil jackson, was never able to lead him to a championship even if he had another chance to do so with the washington wizards in the early 2000s.

[Bawkish]

Doug collins, who 3ball said was a better coach than the zenmaster phil jackson, was never able to lead him to a championship even if he had another chance to do so with the washington wizards in the early 2000s.

im surprised you believed everything 3ball had said

[Axe]

im surprised you believed everything 3ball had said
Except i don't, i'm just trying to state that what he keeps on projecting from time to time is so wrong in many levels while being out of reality at the same time as well.

[Bawkish]

Except i don't, i'm just trying to state that what he keeps on projecting from time to time is so wrong in many levels while being out of reality at the same time as well.

that goes without saying so you're preaching to the wrong choir

[Axe]

that goes without saying so you're preaching to the wrong choir
No, just that he keeps on bringing up the same shit now and then. Duh.

[Spurs m8]

OP fears the outside world

[Baller789]

Jordan's had weak competition as per BranStans.
He also went 1-9.
So which is it?

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Jordan's had weak competition as per BranStans.
He also went 1-9.
So which is it?
Both :lol he lost to ALL of the championship teams of the 80s and suddenly became a good player when Pippen got good, Kareem retired, Worthy got injured, Bird/McHale retired and IT got injured. Fraud

[Axe]

Could it be you're also ThatCoolKid?

[Axe]

Also, lost to 'all of the championship teams of the 80s'. That must've include the showtime lakers too who they didn't even meet until 1991. Get your facts straight, sorry asshole. :oldlol:

[Baller789]

Both :lol he lost to ALL of the championship teams of the 80s and suddenly became a good player when Pippen got good, Kareem retired, Worthy got injured, Bird/McHale retired and IT got injured. Fraud

So when you say he played in a weak era as you Branheads like to say.

We can also say that he played in a tough or strong era.

Gotcha!

[expansionera]

So when you say he played in a weak era as you Branheads like to say.

We can also say that he played in a tough or strong era.

Gotcha!

Yeah total coincidence Jordan won six titles after the league added six expansion teams with dismal records after 88. Jordan won in the weakest era in history

[Shaquille O'Neal]

I was someone who desperately rooted against Jordan. I wanted the Lakers to win. And the Blazers. The Suns, the Sonics and the Jazz. I mean... I hated Jordan. But... when the ball was in Pippen's hands I felt there is a chance. Jordan on the attack? No chance at all. Let's pray he misses.

Young dudes wouldn't know. It was Kobe... times 2.

This 100%. I always rooted against Jordan because he was just too good - like they had a cheat code.

[Baller789]

Yeah total coincidence Jordan won six titles after the league added six expansion teams with dismal records after 88. Jordan won in the weakest era in history

So did Jordan play in the weakest era?

[Shooter]

Also, lost to 'all of the championship teams of the 80s'. That must've include the showtime lakers too who they didn't even meet until 1991. Get your facts straight, sorry asshole. :oldlol:

Good point, Slick.

[Spurs m8]

Nothing says Jordan has you on a leash more than you spending thanksgiving evening bumping old threads about MJ :roll:

[WhiteKyrie]

Nothing says Jordan has you on a leash more than you spending thanksgiving evening bumping old threads about MJ :roll:

Ding, ding

[Avinash]

Zone defense feared Jordan

[SATAN]

Michael Jordan feared the offensive skill set of John Rogers.

[GimmeThat]

and Bo Ryan made a career out of teaching Guards how to dribble

[Shooter]

So did Jordan play in the weakest era?

Yes, 100% duh.

[Axe]

Michael Jordan feared the offensive skill set of John Rogers.
And eric barber.