Big LBJ fan here. Why does Jordan have twice the amount of FMVPs as MyBran

[warriorfan]

With much fewer attempts. As a LeBron fan I can admit that we got a lot of free rides in the “Easy East” as we like to call it. But for some reason we were not able to convert those to FMVP, now Jordan has twice as many. As a big LBJ fan I want to compare him to Jordan but it seems it all ends here.

FMVP means everything

Jordan has twice as many as LeBron

He can never compare to him :(

[RRR3]

Meltdown.

[SouBeachTalents]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHAG6CVYScY&t=78s

[HoopsNY]

With all due respect, can't we discuss topics without tearing down the player? This topic that you've raised isn't really a fair one and it's kinda obvious you're just having a go at one of the greatest players of all time. I think we can approach these discussions in an analytical manner with a mature approach.

[Axe]

With much fewer attempts. As a LeBron fan I can admit that we got a lot of free rides in the “Easy East” as we like to call it. But for some reason we were not able to convert those to FMVP, now Jordan has twice as many. As a big LBJ fan I want to compare him to Jordan but it seems it all ends here.

FMVP means everything

Jordan has twice as many as LeBron

He can never compare to him :(
Don't tell me sarcasm has become a trait of yours.

[FireDavidKahn]

You lose again, baby boi

[jstern]

Easy trips to the Finals in a historically weak conference means that under normal circumstances the team wasn't good enough to make it to the Finals in the first place. But once you make it there's always a chance, but it's not guaranteed. For example the Ray Allen 3 gave them that chance, as well as the suspensions in 2016.

So playing in a historically weak conference has its pros and cons. Free trips to the Finals where anything can happen and you might get lucky, but with the cons of you're going to lose more often than not because you shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Luck doesn't happen 100% of the time.

[Turbo Slayer]

With much fewer attempts. As a LeBron fan I can admit that we got a lot of free rides in the “Easy East” as we like to call it. But for some reason we were not able to convert those to FMVP, now Jordan has twice as many. As a big LBJ fan I want to compare him to Jordan but it seems it all ends here.

FMVP means everything

Jordan has twice as many as LeBron

He can never compare to him :(

Again you arent taking context into this.


lot of free rides in the “Easy East” Context matters. LBJ and his teams throughout history got taken to 7 games 5 times(excluding the Finals). For comparison sake Michael Jordans teams only went to Game 7 3 times. So it was ¨easy¨ as you say right?


But for some reason we were not able to convert those to FMVP, now Jordan has twice as many. As a big LBJ fan I want to compare him to Jordan but it seems it all ends here.

LeBron James had teams (2016-17 and 2017-18) that were absolutely garbage in terms of defense that could get exposed by better teams that caused him to lose the Finals.

Also LeBron James 1st team in the Finals were ill equipped to even make the Finals let alone beat them.

I agree that Jordan is GOAT but you are just taking too far out of context.

Try again. :facepalm

[Phoenix]

With all due respect, can't we discuss topics without tearing down the player? This topic that you've raised isn't really a fair one and it's kinda obvious you're just having a go at one of the greatest players of all time. I think we can approach these discussions in an analytical manner with a mature approach.

Your best option is taking Marty's Delorean back to around 2008 ISH.

[Turbo Slayer]

Easy trips to the Finals in a historically weak conference means that under normal circumstances the team wasn't good enough to make it to the Finals in the first place. But once you make it there's always a chance, but it's not guaranteed. For example the Ray Allen 3 gave them that chance, as well as the suspensions in 2016.

So playing in a historically weak conference has its pros and cons. Free trips to the Finals where anything can happen and you might get lucky, but with the cons of you're going to lose more often than not because you shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Luck doesn't happen 100% of the time.


Easy trips to the Finals in a historically weak conference means that under normal circumstances the team wasn't good enough to make it to the Finals in the first place. Oh yeah? They were ¨good enough¨ to beat the Spurs for 1st time in the Finals and they were ¨good enough¨ to beat the 73-9 Warriors, the best regular season team of alltime.

Are you done? Try again. :facepalm


For example the Ray Allen 3 gave them that chance, as well as the suspensions in 2016. Conveniently you are forgetting that LeBron fueled a comeback late in the 4th quarter and sank a clutch three to make it possible to tie the game that paved the way for a Ray Allen 3. Yes I agree that Ray Allens shot was luck but you cant just choose to ignore history when you feel like it. If LeBron never made clutch points in the 4th qtr than Ray Allen 3 wouldnt have even mattered.

You are forgetting that Kevin Love missed Game 3 in the 2016 Finals due to injury right? So it balances out. :facepalm

This is easy.

[Turbo Slayer]

With all due respect, can't we discuss topics without tearing down the player? This topic that you've raised isn't really a fair one and it's kinda obvious you're just having a go at one of the greatest players of all time. I think we can approach these discussions in an analytical manner with a mature approach.

Unfortunately you arent gonna find quality discussion here. There are way too many trolls here. :facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

refs/injuries altering the outcome of finals (98, 15, 18)

[Turbo Slayer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHAG6CVYScY&t=78s A video hating on MJ? LMAO.

[ImKobe]

Again you arent taking context into this.

Context matters. LBJ and his teams throughout history got taken to 7 games 5 times(excluding the Finals). For comparison sake Michael Jordans teams only went to Game 7 3 times. So it was ¨easy¨ as you say right?



LeBron James had teams (2016-17 and 2017-18) that were absolutely garbage in terms of defense that could get exposed by better teams that caused him to lose the Finals.

Also LeBron James 1st team in the Finals were ill equipped to even make the Finals let alone beat them.

I agree that Jordan is GOAT but you are just taking too far out of context.

Try again. :facepalm

Lebron consistently faced worse teams throughout his Finals runs, just because he got taken to 7 games more than MJ (who is superior) doesn't mean that he had a tougher road. Look at 2013, where James faces a sub-.500 team in the 1st round and not a single 50-win team en route to the Finals. He's played plenty of sub-.500 teams in the LEast and had multiple Finals runs without facing a single top 10 player in the league because most of them were out West or on his own team, often having the benefit of facing teams that were riddled with injuries and/or age & the scheduling of the 2011-12 lockout season, where old ass Celtics were playing B2B2Bs and still had peak Lebron down 2 - 3 in the series. 2018 was a cakewalk for James with the opponents he had, yet he got taken to 7 games by Victor Oladipo & rookie Tatum.

[Turbo Slayer]

Lebron consistently faced worse teams throughout his Finals runs, just because he got taken to 7 games more than MJ (who is superior) doesn't mean that he had a tougher road. Look at 2013, where James faces a sub-.500 team in the 1st round and not a single 50-win team en route to the Finals. He's played plenty of sub-.500 teams in the LEast and had multiple Finals runs without facing a single top 10 player in the league because most of them were out West or on his own team, often having the benefit of facing teams that were riddled with injuries and/or age & the scheduling of the 2011-12 lockout season, where old ass Celtics were playing B2B2Bs and still had peak Lebron down 2 - 3 in the series. 2018 was a cakewalk for James with the opponents he had, yet he got taken to 7 games by Victor Oladipo & rookie Tatum.


Look at 2013, where James faces a sub-.500 team in the 1st round and not a single 50-win team en route to the Finals. Arent you forgetting that the Heat beat down the Knicks in the 2011-12 playoffs? The Knicks one year later would become a 54 win team, 2nd in the East.

Try again.


They played the Indiana Pacers who had 49 wins but could have gotten more games to play but didnt due to the Boston Marathon bombing. :facepalm Plus, the Pacers were the #1 defensive team btw.


often having the benefit of facing teams that were riddled with injuries and/or age & the scheduling of the 2011-12 lockout season, That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Yes LeBron James had his fair share of luck but you cant just choose to pick and select what you write to spread your agenda.

You forget that the 2011-12 Miami Heat lost Chris Bosh to an injury that caused Bosh to be out for the Pacers series and for the 1st 2 games in the Boston series. The Heat were down 2-1 in the Pacers without Bosh and it took a big performance from Wade and LBJ to lift the Heat up away. The Heat were riddled with injuries also. Wade also underwent surgery on his left knee following the end of the 2011-12 season. Thats not to downplay Wade by any means. I am just saying this to counteract your point.

Try again.


old ass Celtics were playing B2B2Bs and still had peak Lebron down 2 - 3 in the series. What are you talking about? It makes no sense to diss LeBron on the series being extended. Your post makes no sense. BTW LeBron put up 45 and 32 point performances to put the Celtics away nullifying your point.

Try again.


2018 was a cakewalk for James with the opponents he had, yet he got taken to 7 games by Victor Oladipo & rookie Tatum. You arent taking teams into account. You blame only LeBron. Instead you should blame the Cavs team. That 2017-18 Cavs team was complete trash on the defensive side of things.

Again why you blame LeBron and the Cavs for going 7 games and winning? Makes no damn sense.

"A cakewalk" is the most insane thing I have ever heard from you. Your ENTIRE post lacks basis and reasoning.

The 2017-18 Celtics were ranked the #1 defensive team and 18th in offense. The 2017-18 Pacers were ranked 11th in offense and 13th in defense. They all had better defensive teams than the Cavs.

Try again.

[FireDavidKahn]

LeBron also has infinitely more FMVP then Curry.

What number can you multiply by 0 to get 3?

[Wally450]

Why does Lebron have as many MVPs as Curry does FMVP votes?

[tpols]

LeBron also has infinitely more FMVP then Curry.

What number can you multiply by 0 to get 3?

technically its not infinity... it's undefined.

Do you even math bro?

[FireDavidKahn]

technically its not infinity... it's undefined.

Do you even math bro?

You are correct!

[FKAri]

This video outlines why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS4hUsk2EYY

[Vino24]

When will curry win one?

[FireDavidKahn]

When will curry win one?

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[red1]

great thread OP. already has three finals MVPs which is GOAT-tier.


only player in NBA history with a finals MVP over a 70+ win team :roll:

[warriorfan]

great thread OP. already has three finals MVPs which is GOAT-tier.


only player in NBA history with a finals MVP over a 70+ win team :roll:

It seems like MJ is in his own tier.

:(

[red1]

It seems like MJ is in his own tier.

:(

for sure. I think mj might have the best career in pro sports. I dont know if you follow hockey but wayne gretzky is similar, I dont think anyone will ever catch his totals.


I dont play hockey but its a small world and some of the guys in my area made the pros - a lot of people nowadays say gretzky wouldnt be able to do what he did in the modern nhl because players are factually bigger and stronger today. gretzky was the chosen one of his time but he is also small and would catch concussions with today's physicality in hockey.


thats not the case for mj, mike was a hyperathlete but you get my point. eras play a role. beating the 2016 warriors and beating the 1996 sonics is not the same thing.

[AirFederer]

It was never about rings to him

[Axe]

technically its not infinity... it's undefined.

Do you even math bro?
🤣🤣🤣

[3ball]

Heat beat down the Knicks in the 2011-12 playoffs?



Lebron averaged 22 ppg to win the 14' ECF and he had over 12 different series where a teammate led in scoring, or he averaged 24 on 44% or less.

That's nowhere near what MJ needed to win a series in the 80"s or 90's East

Ultimately, every metric shows his comp was bad, aka he beat weaker records/less all-nba or MVP opponents... And many weak casts were winning the conference from 01-09' (Dwight/AI/Kidd/Lebron) - a strong cast wasn't needed to win the conference, yet he formed a strong team to have a Finals streak.





They played the Indiana Pacers



Hibbert was the best rim protector that Lebron faced out East, yet he's inferior to Zo, Dikembe, Ewing, and Shaq (Shaq and Zo both had 1st team all-nba perimeter sidekicks too)

Lebron's comp was trash by comparison, aka Hibbert/PG < Shaq/Penny





2011-12 Miami Heat lost Chris Bosh to an injury



Bosh was an unnecessary 3rd star that wasn't needed to win the East.

Lebron already had 12' Wade (superior to prime Pippen), so Lebron already had more help than MJ ever did.. Wade wasn't reduced to prime Pippen stats until 13-14' (which is when people started complaining about him).





LeBron put up 45 and 32 point performances to put the Celtics away



That series vs 2012 Boston proves how Lebron-ball causes underachievement

because the Celtics were fossils!!... Absolutel fossils.

Lebron should've swept those Celts with 12' Wade (superior to prime Pippen)..

So you made our point. Goat wins (MJ)





That 2017-18 Cavs team was complete trash on the defensive side of things.



Lebron had superior rim protection, more defensive rebounders, and more athletic guards, so there's no excuse for him having poor defenses or worse than MJ's

Lebron himself had some of the worst defensive stats those years, so his poor leadership is the reason for his team's weak performance on that end despite adequate personnel

Offensively, they had plenty of firepower to put defenses on their heels/wear down opponents, leaving them with less capacity for offense..... But this assumes their on-paper talent (best 2nd option in the conference) moved the ball/shifted defenses - instead, lebron broke his own record for time of possession in the 18' playoffs.





why blame LeBron and the Cavs for going 7 games and winning?



They were a team of rookies that lebron was expected to walk through






The 2017-18 Celtics



The 18' Celtics only looked like a juggernaut the first 30-40 games when Kyrie was healthy and they were killing everybody.

When he got hurt, they had zero chance of making the Finals and Kyrie's return the next year was ruined by Hayward's return/redundancy - Hayward's presence was overkill (too many cooks in the kitchen) and unfairly gave Kyrie a bad name.. But they were originally a juggernaut with healthy Kyrie and no Hayward.

The Kyrie-less version in 18' ECF were a team of rookies missing their closer that only went 7 because Lebron opted to win a riskier way (stat accumulation, aka more time with the ball then Harden)

[Nilocon165]

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