Gobert - Mitchell relationship unsalveable, Jazz to shop Gobert during off season

[LukeWalton]

according to BR, their relationship cant be fixed
they plan to trade Gobert.

what team should be involved?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2886002-report-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert-relationship-doesnt-appear-salvagable

[Turbo Slayer]

That's crazy...

[Xiao Yao You]

according to BR, their relationship cant be fixed
they plan to trade Gobert.

what team should be involved?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2886002-report-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert-relationship-doesnt-appear-salvagable

almost every team should be interested

[AlternativeAcc.]

Gobert is now a proven cancer and Dinosaur

Wouldn't touch that contract

Jazz will be championship contenders without him

[Xiao Yao You]

Gobert is now a proven cancer and Dinosaur

Wouldn't touch that contract

Jazz will be championship contenders without him

The guy who has single handedly kept the Jazz from being one of the worst teams in the league is a cancer? :roll:

[AlternativeAcc.]

The guy who has single handedly kept the Jazz from being one of the worst teams in the league is a cancer? :roll:

He's a locker-room cancer as evidenced by the Jazz needing to trade him in order to keep their best player happy. He's a decent player honestly, right up there with Steven Adams and Capela

But now that he's a known locker-room cancer you couldn't possibly justify taking on that contract for a 11ppg garbage man.

actually just realized his contract is almost up, Jazz are gonna dodge a bullet by not signing him to a max... wow. They're gonna be a force for years if they can fleece a team.

[TheImmortal]

Jazz gets: Montrezl Harrell + Lou Williams + Joakim Noah


for

Clippers: Rudy Gobert + Bojan Bogdanović


Nevermind Montrez is a free-agent. Perhaps sign and trade.

[Xiao Yao You]

He's a locker-room cancer as evidenced by the Jazz needing to trade him in order to keep their best player happy. He's a decent player honestly, right up there with Steven Adams and Capela

But now that he's a known locker-room cancer you couldn't possibly justify taking on that contract for a 11ppg garbage man.

actually just realized his contract is almost up, Jazz are gonna dodge a bullet by not signing him to a max... wow. They're gonna be a force for years if they can fleece a team.

Their best player is Gobert. They have sucked without him for more than 5 years. One of the most selfless players in the league. They'll be back to tanking like they were trying to do when he emerged.

[Xiao Yao You]

Jazz gets: Montrezl Harrell + Lou Williams + Joakim Noah


for

Clippers: Rudy Gobert + Bojan Bogdanović


Nevermind Montrez is a free-agent. Perhaps sign and trade.

oh yeah that's a fair trade :roll:

They will want stars or young talent/picks/expiring contracts. OKC is the first place you look with their talent and picks

[FireDavidKahn]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?479081-So-Whose-Gonna-Get-Traded-Mitchell-Or-Gobert

[FireDavidKahn]

Gobert is now a proven cancer and Dinosaur

Wouldn't touch that contract

Jazz will be championship contenders without him

Just the opposite. Without knowing what they'd get back, trading Gobert kinda closes their championship window.

[John Connor]

Their best player is Gobert. They have sucked without him for more than 5 years. One of the most selfless players in the league. They'll be back to tanking like they were trying to do when he emerged.

Yes, and Donovan Mitchell will be proven to be brain dead as a result. He has a forgiveness problem. Gobert was out of line and silly but for Mitchell to not let this go speaks more about him than it does about Gobert.

[Axe]

Should the bulls pursue him as part of their radical restructuring process rn?

[Wally450]

Celtics should jump at this and revolve it around Hayward.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I absolutely can understand why Mitchell is pissed but it's unfortunate he can't forgive because Utah is going to lose a major asset and it's hard to get fair value when a deal is forced. They might even be better off trading Mitchell if they're getting lowballed on Gobert.

[iamgine]

Trade Gobert for Kevin Love. Get Marc Gasol in the offseason. He'd be thrilled to be playing with Conley again.

Conley
Mitchell
Bogdan
Love
Gasol

W Power!

[Manny98]

Rudy for Jarrett Allen & Taurean Prince + 1st round pick

Who says no :confusedshrug:

[Xiao Yao You]

Trade Gobert for Kevin Love. Get Marc Gasol in the offseason. He'd be thrilled to be playing with Conley again.

Conley
Mitchell
Bogdan
Love
Gasol

W Power!

lottery

[Whoah10115]

The Gasol idea is actually great..except that he's like 6 years older than Gobert, so long-term not good. The Jazz are very good, but not in a position where they should make a move like that.

The move the Jazz should make is make Mitchell deal with it. If not, maybe hope you can find another rookie contract to trade for.

If the Jazz locker room, in total, is upset with Gobert...then that's it.

[r0drig0lac]

really? Mitchell is a dumb

[NBASTATMAN]

RUDY is a top 20 player in the NBA .. Maybe even top 15 when you consider how much he brings to a team. EVERY TEAM SHOULD BE LOOKING AT GETTING HIM..

[Xiao Yao You]

The Gasol idea is actually great..except that he's like 6 years older than Gobert, so long-term not good. The Jazz are very good, but not in a position where they should make a move like that.

The move the Jazz should make is make Mitchell deal with it. If not, maybe hope you can find another rookie contract to trade for.

If the Jazz locker room, in total, is upset with Gobert...then that's it.

Who cares if they are upset with him. They are nothing without him. Been proven time and time again.

[AlternativeAcc.]

The general consensus seems to be that Gobert is expendable so Jazz should take whatever offer they can get for him to 1. Make sure their best player is happy and comfortable and 2. to avoid paying Gobert a contract that would cripple them financially

I tend to agree

[iamgine]

Who cares if they are upset with him. They are nothing without him. Been proven time and time again.

I agree. Trade Mitchell to the Bulls for Lauri Markkanen.

Conley
Ingles
Bogdan
Lauri
Gobert

[DoctorP]

Gobert will be traded to a shitty team that has no vision of the current NBA way and that team will be a middling team.

[DoctorP]

Mitchell and Gobert are both overrated. Trade them both and get a top tier talent.

[Xiao Yao You]

The general consensus seems to be that Gobert is expendable so Jazz should take whatever offer they can get for him to 1. Make sure their best player is happy and comfortable and 2. to avoid paying Gobert a contract that would cripple them financially

I tend to agree

their best player is Gobert. He's the 3rd most important person in their history. It would be like trading Stockton or Malone in 88

[Xiao Yao You]

Gobert will be traded to a shitty team that has no vision of the current NBA way and that team will be a middling team.

the Jazz are worse than middling without Gobert. Certainly better than that with him.

[DoctorP]

the Jazz are worse than middling without Gobert. Certainly better than that with him.

Doesn't say much about the Jazz. Defensive centers are not ideal any more unless you have a team stacked with elite perimeter players.The Jazz are constructed more like the Spurs with no Duncan.

Gobert would be perfect for a team like the Big 3 Heat. Stretch 4 and two elite wings. A super- Joel Anthony.

[DoctorP]

If the Jazz can flip Mitchell and Gobert for some young studs... a Ja Morant, a Zion, Trae Young... yeah... do that.

[Xiao Yao You]

Doesn't say much about the Jazz. Defensive centers are not ideal any more unless you have a team stacked with elite perimeter players.The Jazz are constructed more like the Spurs with no Duncan.

Gobert would be perfect for a team like the Big 3 Heat. Stretch 4 and two elite wings. A super- Joel Anthony.

A defensive center who the best offense in the league revolves around him at that end too

[Xiao Yao You]

If the Jazz can flip Mitchell and Gobert for some young studs... a Ja Morant, a Zion, Trae Young... yeah... do that.

Mitchell isn't going anywhere

[DoctorP]

A defensive center who the best offense in the league revolves around him at that end too

Gobert is fantastic but his value is reduced in today's NBA. That's why a team that has nothing to lose could trade for him and go for some 2nd round exits until they get a stud Wing.

Look at what happened in Houston with Capela.

[Real Men Wear Green]

A lot of you are offering the fact that this is Utah. Not to make this racial but it's hard to find young black men that are willing to spend their career there. So if Gobert is willing to resign with Utah that's one more reason to hold onto him. Mitchell is currently pissed but he's on his rookie deal which means Utah still has a lit off control. I doubt he's mad enough to pass on the max dollars that Utah will offer. They still have a year to patch things up at the least. Building a great team is extremely hard in a place like Utah. Don't give up on the core until you absolutely have to.

Also I don't see how the Celtics can get either player.

[Xiao Yao You]

Gobert is fantastic but his value is reduced in today's NBA. That's why a team that has nothing to lose could trade for him and go for some 2nd round exits until they get a stud Wing.

Look at what happened in Houston with Capela.

They need a starting 4 and players that can spread the floor and play D besides ONeale

[And1AllDay]

*Xiao enters the chat

[Xiao Yao You]

*Xiao enters the chat

Apparently the only one that has seen him actually play

[dreamshake]

Jazz send: Golbert
Jazz receive: Zubac, Morris, Shamet

Jazz
Conley | Shamet
Mitchell | Clarkson
Bogdanovic | Ingles
Morris | Niang
Zubac | Davis

Clippers
Beverley | Jackson
George | Williams
Leonard | Patterson
Green | Harrell
Golbert | Noah

[Xiao Yao You]

Jazz send: Golbert
Jazz receive: Zubac, Morris, Shamet

Jazz
Conley | Shamet
Mitchell | Clarkson
Bogdanovic | Ingles
Morris | Niang
Zubac | Davis

Clippers
Beverley | Jackson
George | Williams
Leonard | Patterson
Green | Harrell
Golbert | Noah

:roll:

[Lebron23]

Jazz send: Golbert
Jazz receive: Zubac, Morris, Shamet

Jazz
Conley | Shamet
Mitchell | Clarkson
Bogdanovic | Ingles
Morris | Niang
Zubac | Davis

Clippers
Beverley | Jackson
George | Williams
Leonard | Patterson
Green | Harrell
Golbert | Noah

That's a terrible trade.

[AlternativeAcc.]

What teams would potentially be willing to take on Gobert's cancerous personality and limited offensive repertoire + impending contract?

Seems like a high risk, low reward situation for most teams.

[Xiao Yao You]

What teams would potentially be willing to take on Gobert's cancerous personality and limited offensive repertoire + impending contract?

Seems like a high risk, low reward situation for most teams.

One of the most impactful players in the league. One of the most selfless players in the league. Hard to imagine all but a couple teams not wanting him

[John Connor]

One of the most impactful players in the league. One of the most selfless players in the league. Hard to imagine all but a couple teams not wanting him

You can only try to explain it so much before you need to give up. Most of these guys have surface level understanding at best. That's not commentary on who you're responding to or anyone else specific, but I'm just being honest. Most of the posters here only see the stat sheet, and usually within that, specifically scoring.

[Xiao Yao You]

You can only try to explain it so much before you need to give up. Most of these guys have surface level understanding at best. That's not commentary on who you're responding to or anyone else specific, but I'm just being honest. Most of the posters here only see the stat sheet, and usually within that, specifically scoring.

that's certainly part of it. Plenty of trolling as well

[Turbo Slayer]

What teams would potentially be willing to take on Gobert's cancerous personality and limited offensive repertoire + impending contract?

Seems like a high risk, low reward situation for most teams. Gobert has the one of the highest TS% in the league. If his offensive repertoire was "limited" you say then why is his TS% is one of the highest? Answer my question.

You argue that Gobert is low impact which your point is flawed and lacks understanding/facts. Gobert is one of highest in terms of defensive plus-minus. He is a supremely above average defender compared to his counterparts so your point fails there also.

Most teams would want him... not due to his "cancerous" personality which doesnt affect play on-court.

Your argument lacks logic/reasoning.

[ArbitraryWater]

Gobert has the one of the highest TS% in the league. If his offensive repertoire was "limited" you say then why is his TS% is one of the highest? Answer my question.

You argue that Gobert is low impact which your point is flawed and lacks understanding/facts. Gobert is one of highest in terms of defensive plus-minus. He is a supremely above average defender compared to his counterparts so your point fails there also.

Most teams would want him... not due to his "cancerous" personality which doesnt affect play on-court.

Your argument lacks logic/reasoning.

What does a percentage such as TS have to do with offensive repertoire?

[Turbo Slayer]

What does a percentage such as TS have to do with offensive repertoire? It is an advanced stat that measures a player's efficiency when shooting. 2 point, 3 point, and FT are taken into account. Thats your answer.

Of course its not enough to measure a player's repertoire by using just TS%. We have to take in other factors.


limited offensive repertoire Lets use Towns as our comparison to Gobert.

While Gobert averaged less attempts than Karl Anthony Towns he still has better efficiency. Gobert shot better from 2 point land (70%) than Karl Anthony Towns (58%) who is considered a shooting big which is crazy!

Gobert also dominates the paint compared to Towns. In less than 10ft away from the basket Gobert is shooting 70% compared to Towns 61%.

Gobert is also better than Karl Towns when he is shooting wide open shots. More than 6 feet away from the basket open, Rudy Gobert is averaging a INSANE 92% FG compared to Karl who suffers when shooting wide open shots (46%).

Gobert has a more complete skillset compared to other bigs in the league when he is in the paint. So your point that Gobert is "limited" is illogical.

[Xiao Yao You]

It is an advanced stat that measures a player's efficiency when shooting. 2 point, 3 point, and FT are taken into account. Thats your answer.

Of course its not enough to measure a player's repertoire by using just TS%. We have to take in other factors.

Lets use Towns as our comparison to Gobert.

While Gobert averaged less attempts than Karl Anthony Towns he still has better efficiency. Gobert shot better from 2 point land (70%) than Karl Anthony Towns (58%) who is considered a shooting big which is crazy!

Gobert also dominates the paint compared to Towns. In less than 10ft away from the basket Gobert is shooting 70% compared to Towns 61%.

Gobert is also better than Karl Towns when he is shooting wide open shots. More than 6 feet away from the basket open, Rudy Gobert is averaging a INSANE 92% FG compared to Karl who suffers when shooting wide open shots (46%).

Gobert has a more complete skillset compared to other bigs in the league when he is in the paint. So your point that Gobert is "limited" is illogical.

Most importantly Gobert helps you win games something Towns has yet to prove he can do

[Xiao Yao You]

Gobert has the one of the highest TS% in the league. If his offensive repertoire was "limited" you say then why is his TS% is one of the highest? Answer my question.

You argue that Gobert is low impact which your point is flawed and lacks understanding/facts. Gobert is one of highest in terms of defensive plus-minus. He is a supremely above average defender compared to his counterparts so your point fails there also.

Most teams would want him... not due to his "cancerous" personality which doesnt affect play on-court.

Your argument lacks logic/reasoning.

No reason to call him cancerous because of one incident either.

[Turbo Slayer]

Most importantly Gobert helps you win games something Towns has yet to prove he can do Yep.

[Turbo Slayer]

No reason to call him cancerous because of one incident either. Exactly.

[Xiao Yao You]

Chris Haynes: The phone conversation between Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell occurred Saturday and it went well in the first step toward repairing their relationship, (https://*********.com/social/) league sources tell Yahoo Sports. Gobert revealed the talks on his IG Live with @TaylorRooks.
– via Twitter ChrisBHaynes (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes)


Chris Haynes: Sources: Both players had issues with one another stemming from the developments of the COVID-19 positive results that they ultimately recovered from. (https://*********.com/social/) There’s more work to be done, but the chat is a good sign they’re working on turning the page.

– via Twitter ChrisBHaynes (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes)




Gobert, who said he received death threats in the days after his positive test, indicated any issues between Mitchell and him had been overblown. (https://*********.com/rumors/#)“There’s no fight,” Gobert said. “It’s all about thousands of people are dying every day, and it’s all about what we can do to help, what we can do to bring some positive. That’s what my focus is on now.” (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29027045/rudy-gobert-downplays-rift-donovan-mitchell-says-talked)

– via Tim MacMahon @ ESPN (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29027045/rudy-gobert-downplays-rift-donovan-mitchell-says-talked)






Taylor Rooks: (https://*********.com/rumors/#)Snippet from the conversation with Rudy Gobert addressing media speculation about his relationship with Donovan Mitchell: (http://twitter.com/TaylorRooks/status/1249487284652707840)

Snippet from the conversation with Rudy Gobert addressing media speculation about his relationship with Donovan Mitchell: pic.twitter.com/jQ8KaPEnZs (https://t.co/jQ8KaPEnZs)

— Taylor Rooks (@TaylorRooks) April 12, 2020 (https://twitter.com/TaylorRooks/status/1249487284652707840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

[Xiao Yao You]

Rudy Gobert denies being at odds with Donovan Mitchell (https://*********.com/rumor/rudy-gobert-denies-being-at-odds-with-donovan-mitchell/)

Eric Walden: Rudy Gobert says in IG live that he had spoken with Donovan Mitchell, and shoots down the idea that they are at odds, calling it a media creation. (https://*********.com/social/) “We’re ready to play basketball together and win a championship together.”
– via Twitter tribjazz (https://twitter.com/tribjazz)


Eric Walden: Rudy Gobert on Donovan Mitchell: “It’s true that we didn’t speak for awhile. But we spoke a couple days ago. We’re ready to win a championship. (https://*********.com/social/) … Relationships are never perfect. But at the end of the day, we both want to win. We’re down men, and we want to win.”

– via Twitter tribjazz (https://twitter.com/tribjazz)





Eric Walden: Rudy: “I was getting death threats” after the news came out he had coronavirus (https://*********.com/social/).
– via Twitter tribjazz (https://twitter.com/tribjazz)



Eric Walden: (https://*********.com/rumors/#)Rudy: “Adam Silver did a great job by shutting the NBA down right away. (https://*********.com/social/) … I had a lot of stuff coming at me, but it probably saved thousands of lives.”

– via Twitter tribjazz (https://twitter.com/tribjazz)