Shaq lists the top 10 Finals performers of all time

[SouBeachTalents]

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[Turbo Slayer]

Good list.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Shaq knows his history pretty well.

[AlternativeAcc.]

698: Curry

[Manny98]

KD & LeBron both 2 spots too low

[guy]

I know it’s way back in the day and hard to confirm but I highly doubt with Russell going 11/12 in the finals he should be that low.

[ArbitraryWater]

Good list, although it shows he doesn't know some parts of history well since West isn't there.

He also forgot Kareem, lol.

Kobe of course way too high, was easily the worst ATG finals performer ever.

Completely unreliable and just never dealt well with the pressures of the finals.

[SouBeachTalents]

Good list, although it shows he doesn't know some parts of history well since West isn't there.

He also forgot Kareem, lol.

Kobe of course way too high, was easily the worst ATG finals performer ever.

Completely unreliable and just never dealt well with the pressures of the finals.
Besides West who else would you've included? Kareem, Dr. J, Baylor?

[ArbitraryWater]

Besides West who else would you've included? Kareem, Dr. J, Baylor?

That's probably it.

Take Kobe and Duncan out, put those 2 in.

No argument for Duncan over Russell really.

[Rysio]

Good list, although it shows he doesn't know some parts of history well since West isn't there.

He also forgot Kareem, lol.

Kobe of course way too high, was easily the worst ATG finals performer ever.

Completely unreliable and just never dealt well with the pressures of the finals.

Lol Kobe played the toughest defenses in the finals out of any atg that's why he didn't perform amazing(still very good considering defenses) not because he was shook of the finals. What a retard.

[ImKobe]

Jordan, Kobe & Shaq should be top 3 with KD & Hakeem to round out the top 5. LOL @ 3/9.

[nayte]

I like Kobe but don’t try to slip him in there like that.it does nothing but to hate Kobe.

[StrongLurk]

Kobe doesn't belong there. Kareem and Jerry West were much better finals players.

[Psileas]

Kobe doesn't belong there. Kareem and Jerry West were much better finals players.

Correct, Kareem and West not being there is a disgrace. West is the all-time Finals leading scorer and Kareem, regardless of MVP's, was the real best player in 4 Finals series.
Russell was much better than #10, as well. Bird, to be honest, isn't a definite top 10, much less a top 5 and Durant hasn't played in as many series as the above mentioned players.

[LAmbruh]

another landslide victory bois :applause:


top 3 gon top 3


consensus gon consensus

[red1]

Jordan, Kobe & Shaq should be top 3 with KD & Hakeem to round out the top 5. LOL @ 3/9.

3 finals MVPs aka 3 big-boy rings

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[red1]

upon further research I must say I agree with dr. shaquille. the top 3 are all interchangeable, can go in any order really.

[Axe]

All mentioned players in this list have at least two chips.

[iamgine]

Should be Wade instead of Kobe

[scuzzy]

solid list but yeah i'd swap out kobe with multiple other guys also

[DoctorP]

where is Wade? he had the best performance ive seen

[red1]

I would put wade as well. he was great 2006 and 2011 and was good at the end against the spurs 2013. had a great game on the road.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGXpu8uOgcI

[Stanley Kobrick]

I agree with you Shaq

[DoctorP]

Durant over Olajuwon? dunno about that

[aj1987]

Durant over Olajuwon? dunno about that

I would take Kareem over Kobe and Duncan easily. Kobe is a subpar Finals performer. 25 PPG on 41% for his career.

1. MJ
2. LeBron
3. Shaq
4. Hakeem
5. Magic
6. Larry
7. KD
8. Russell
9. Wade
10. West

[DoctorP]

I would take Kareem over Kobe and Duncan easily. Kobe is a subpar Finals performer. 25 PPG on 41% for his career.

1. MJ
2. LeBron
3. Shaq
4. Hakeem
5. Magic
6. Larry
7. KD
8. Russell
9. Wade
10. West

Looks legit. I still thiink KD is getting overrated but I have not researched. Im thinking Wade and Russell over Durant

[ArbitraryWater]

where is Wade? he had the best performance ive seen

but he was also tragic in one, and ordinary in 2 others..

what argument does he have?

none, really

[DoctorP]

but he was also tragic in one, and ordinary in 2 others..

what argument does he have?

none, really

hmm, not sure he was ordinary in dallas II, OKC, or Spurs I.
Terrible in Spurs II.

I don't care to research it.

[ArbitraryWater]

hmm, not sure he was ordinary in dallas II, OKC, or Spurs I.
Terrible in Spurs II.

I don't care to research it.

Yes, very ordinary in 2012 and 2013. Even benched during crucial stages in 2013, they were better with him off the court.

Turned the ball over dribbling like an idiot at the end of games 2 and 4 of the 2012 finals, nearly cost them those games.

No I don't think you ever research any of your opinions

[DoctorP]

Yes, very ordinary in 2012 and 2013. Even benched during crucial stages in 2013, they were better with him off the court.

Turned the ball over dribbling like an idiot at the end of games 2 and 4 of the 2012 finals, nearly cost them those games.

No I don't think you ever research any of your opinions

Oh really what opinions have you read where you think I haven't researched?

I think that comment was as bullshit as your pro-lethanos agenda

[ArbitraryWater]

Oh really what opinions have you read where you think I haven't researched?

I think that comment was as bullshit as your pro-lethanos agenda

anytime really, just last time when you said lebron was a choker, i debunked it, and then you went on about killing people.

in case you havent noticed, you're a little bit off the deep end.

[Naero]

You can definitely argue several players over Kobe, but I can understand why Shaq included him: optics. It'd be much more incendiary for Shaq to snub his former, once-feuded-with teammate—one who deserves all the homage in the world this year, if any—on this list altogether than it would be to add him to the fringes of it.

I feel he's overranked Durant and Bird on the list, too.

As monstrously as Durant's performed in the Finals, he's only played in three full series—two of them against some of the worst defensive finalists of all time in the Cavaliers and while playing on a GOAT-level offense that let him cherry-pick his defensive match-ups.

How many all-time-great Finals games—not series, but games—does Bird even have on his ledger? He has too many pedestrian performances—granted, partly because his teams didn't need any better—that never get dredged up for a (borderline-)top-five ATG.

Otherwise, solid list overall. Definitely some glaring omissions—especially West and Kareem—but it's better-informed than most player rankings you'll hear of, which tend to be shockingly unscholarly.

[DoctorP]

anytime really, just last time when you said lebron was a choker, i debunked it, and then you went on about killing people.

in case you havent noticed, you're a little bit off the deep end.

hmm.. i dont recall. i call bullshit

PS. Thanos loses.

[aj1987]

Yes, very ordinary in 2012 and 2013. Even benched during crucial stages in 2013, they were better with him off the court.

Turned the ball over dribbling like an idiot at the end of games 2 and 4 of the 2012 finals, nearly cost them those games.

No I don't think you ever research any of your opinions

You were too young to watch those Finals for sure. Dude was a beast. 23/6/5/1/1 while playing elite defense. Yeah, that's not an "ordinary" Finals performance. A Finals better than any of LeBron's and almost all other players in '06 alone warrants a spot for him in the top 10.

[SouBeachTalents]

You were too young to watch those Finals for sure. Dude was a beast. 23/6/5/1/1 while playing elite defense. Yeah, that's not an "ordinary" Finals performance. A Finals better than any of LeBron's and almost all other players in '06 alone warrants a spot for him in the top 10.
You got '06 over 2016?

[aj1987]

You got '06 over 2016?

Yeah, Wade did it with pretty much no help. Shaq was a scrub in the Finals. Walker and Williams combined for ~22 points on ~38% shooting. Not just the lack of help, but Wade was ridiculously clutch. His bank shots in that series were money. At worst, I would put those two series 1a and 1b.

[Playculturelab]

Jordan and Lebron for sure. Durant? If you guys were interested here is some of the best teams to never win a title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkCIBQqSG2M&t=2s

[red1]

you gotta go with the finals MVPs


thats why these guys are the top-tier GOATs of NBA history. winning is all that matters.


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[Gougou]

Kawhi > KD ... didn't need to join a 73 wins warriors team to get the chips. :D

[bullettooth]

KD & LeBron both 2 spots too low

One decent performance from LeBron doesn't make up for shitting the bed 6 times. FOH, dweeb.

[Nowoco]

Bill Russell shouldnt be anywhere near a top 10. On top of Wilt literally tearing him up everytime they met there, his record is pitiful

1957
13.3 ppg, 22.9 reb 36% fg (4th in scoring on team)

1958
14.5 ppg, 19.3 reb 35% fg (5th in scoring on team)

1959
9.3 ppg, 29.5 reb 32% fg (7th in scoring on team)

1960
16.7 ppg, 24.9 reb 47% fg (4th in scoring on team)

1961
17.6 ppg, 28.8 reb 43% fg (3rd in scoring on team)

1962
22.9 ppg, 27 reb 54% fg (1st in scoring on team)

1963
20 ppg, 26 reb 47% fg (3rd in scoring on team)

1964
11.2 ppg, 25.2 reb 39% fg (4th in scoring on team)

1965
17.8 ppg, 25 reb 70% fg (3rd in scoring on team)

1966
23.6 ppg, 24.3 reb 54% fg (1st in scoring on team)

1968
17.3 ppg, 21.8 reb 43% fg (4th in scoring on team)

1969
9.1 ppg, 21.1 reb 39% fg (7th in scoring on team)

[Axe]

Kawhi > KD ... didn't need to join a 73 wins warriors team to get the chips. :D
That's right. And he won fmvps in both conferences without joining a superteam.

[ArbitraryWater]

You were too young to watch those Finals for sure. Dude was a beast. 23/6/5/1/1 while playing elite defense. Yeah, that's not an "ordinary" Finals performance. A Finals better than any of LeBron's and almost all other players in '06 alone warrants a spot for him in the top 10.

We are talking about the top 10 all time and your dumbass is talking "23/6/5" on 43.5% taking less than a 3 per game like that is in any way remotely impress for a top 10 GOAT.

Those Wade standards lol

[Mamba4Life]

Kobe is easily a Top 5 Finals performer ever

5/7

Leading scorer or playmaker for every ring.

Never lost as the favorite

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe is easily a Top 5 Finals performer ever

5/7

Leading scorer or playmaker for every ring.

Never lost as the favorite
He lost in '04 as the huge favorite :oldlol: He was the favorite in '08 too

[dbugz]

Pretty accurate list except for LeBron, should have been on 10th place

[Mamba4Life]

He lost in '04 as the huge favorite :oldlol: He was the favorite in '08 too

The Celtics had a Big 3 in 2008, and HCA, Kobe had Gasol, how was he the favorite??

And in 2004 Pistons were pre-series favorites, everyone knew Malone/Shaq/Payton were finished at that point.

[red1]

Pretty accurate list except for LeBron, should have been on 10th place

nah. should be second.

[RRR3]

nah. should be second.
Ignore the butthurt Celtics fan. Poor fella still has nightmares about 2012.

[red1]

Ignore the butthurt Celtics fan. Poor fella still has nightmares about 2012.

I dont think celtics fans are salty tbh. they had a good run.


its mostly just the basement dwelling type that are salty. guys like 3ball.

[red1]

the 3ball slayers - both former celtics


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[Stephonit]

The best Celtics finals performer hasn't even been mentioned yet.

John Havlicek. 8 rings and famous for pulling out wins.

Magic in there instead of Kareem is dubious. Magic was given an FMVP award that was stolen from Kareem and there was the Tragic Magic episode.

[DoctorP]

The best Celtics finals performer hasn't even been mentioned yet.

John Havlicek. 8 rings and famous for pulling out wins.

Magic in there instead of Kareem is also dubious. Magic was given an FMVP award that was stolen from Kareem and there was the Tragic Magic episode.

Shaq has some insecurity issues

[aj1987]

We are talking about the top 10 all time and your dumbass is talking "23/6/5" on 43.5% taking less than a 3 per game like that is in any way remotely impress for a top 10 GOAT.

Those Wade standards lol

You said it was a "very ordinary performance", when it was a very good one. 23/6/5 with ELITE defense is a good performance, no matter how you slice it. If you think that's an ordinary performance, Your idol has two performances worse that Wade in '13 and '14. Let that sink in.

[Mamba4Life]

You said it was a "very ordinary performance", when it was a very good one. 23/6/5 with ELITE defense is a good performance, no matter how you slice it. If you think that's an ordinary performance, Your idol has two performances worse that Wade in '13 and '14. Let that sink in.

wade's 2012 performance was subpar

22 points on 43% is basically average

and his defense wasnt elite. westbrook, dropped 40 on him

[aj1987]

wade's 2012 performance was subpar

22 points on 43% is basically average

and his defense wasnt elite. westbrook, dropped 40 on him

Westbrook in the 2012 Finals - 50% TS

Durant in the 2012 Finals - 65% TS

What does that say about LeBron's defense, you idiot? You had to break out the alts, huh?

Outside G4, Westbrook shot 36% in the Finals. He shot 4-20 the very next game.

[SouBeachTalents]

You said it was a "very ordinary performance", when it was a very good one. 23/6/5 with ELITE defense is a good performance, no matter how you slice it. If you think that's an ordinary performance, Your idol has two performances worse that Wade in '13 and '14. Let that sink in.
Worse than 2014? I guess with the context of what LeBron was capable of and what he produced, you could argue 2011 was worse. But he played like a legit homeless man they picked off the street in 2014, he was truly that bad

[Mamba4Life]

Worse than 2014? I guess with the context of what LeBron was capable of and what he produced, you could argue 2011 was worse. But he played like a legit homeless man they picked off the street in 2014, he was truly that bad

wade stopped being an nba player after 2013

[aj1987]

Worse than 2014? I guess with the context of what LeBron was capable of and what he produced, you could argue 2011 was worse. But he played like a legit homeless man they picked off the street in 2014, he was truly that bad

Wade was straight up trash in '14. Not gonna lie. Dude put like 10 PPG on 25% shooting in the last two games. However, Wade was completely broken down and hobbled that season. LeBron was at his physical best.


wade stopped being an nba player after 2013

Did you miss the '16 PO's?

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

LeBron and Magic are too high

[SATAN]

Hi, 3ball.

[aj1987]

LeBron and Magic are too high

Yeah, 2 of 5 player ever to win 3 or more FMVP's are "too high". ****ing retard.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Wade and Jerry West should be on the list

Honestly Timmy shouldnt

he was alltime level in 03 but 05 Sheed was locking him up and Manu was robbed of FMVP. 07 he lost FMVP too. He was great in 99 but that was an asteriks lockout year and no Ewing for the Knicks

Wade was dominant in 06 and 11. He was by far the 3rd best player of the 12 finals. He was really good in 2013 and the best player on the floor in a couple games that swung the series too. He was bad in 2014 but he was washed by then

[houston]

magic and bird are to high

[aj1987]

Wade and Jerry West should be on the list

Honestly Timmy shouldnt

he was alltime level in 03 but 05 Sheed was locking him up and Manu was robbed of FMVP. 07 he lost FMVP too. He was great in 99 but that was an asteriks lockout year and no Ewing for the Knicks

Wade was dominant in 06 and 11. He was by far the 2nd best player of the 12 finals. He was really good in 2013 and the best player on the floor in a couple games that swung the series too. He was bad in 2014 but he was washed by then

FTFY. :cheers:

He wasn't washed by '14. The load management plan completely backfired. Dude was overweight and barely moving out there. He was significantly better in '15 and '16.

[Phoenix]

Wade and Jerry West should be on the list

Honestly Timmy shouldnt

he was alltime level in 03 but 05 Sheed was locking him up and Manu was robbed of FMVP. 07 he lost FMVP too. He was great in 99 but that was an asteriks lockout year and no Ewing for the Knicks

Wade was dominant in 06 and 11. He was by far the 3rd best player of the 12 finals. He was really good in 2013 and the best player on the floor in a couple games that swung the series too. He was bad in 2014 but he was washed by then

It's too bad Wade got hurt in 2005. He was having a dominant playoff run and had the Heat gotten past the Pistons( they were up 3-2 when he got hurt), we may have seen a great finals a year sooner than we got. Wade's elite slashing ability always cut into the heart of those tougher defenses better than what Lebron and Kobe were able to do at times.

[Smoke117]

Jordan, Kobe & Shaq should be top 3 with KD & Hakeem to round out the top 5. LOL @ 3/9.


Lmfao...why the hell would Kobe be top 3? Compared to the regular season and previous playoff rounds he’s pretty pedestrian in the finals. That you actually believe he’s top 3 is hilarious. Keep your fanboying in the realm of reality

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

FTFY. :cheers:

He wasn't washed by '14. The load management plan completely backfired. Dude was overweight and barely moving out there. He was significantly better in '15 and '16.

Nice try Apu. He wasn't close to KD or Bran in 2012

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

It's too bad Wade got hurt in 2005. He was having a dominant playoff run and had the Heat gotten past the Pistons( they were up 3-2 when he got hurt), we may have seen a great finals a year sooner than we got. Wade's elite slashing ability always cut into the heart of those tougher defenses better than what Lebron and Kobe were able to do at times.

Manu VS Wade would've been sick. They were the 2 best SGs that season with Kobes injury. Manu ended up being the best player of the postseason by the time it was over. He had a legendary run and was robbed FMVP

[SouBeachTalents]

Manu VS Wade would've been sick. They were the 2 best SGs that season with Kobes injury. Manu ended up being the best player of the postseason by the time it was over. He had a legendary run and was robbed FMVP
Did Manu have an argument? Definitely. Robbed? Nah :lol That dude was fcking atrocious in the games in Detroit, and he doesn't hold a candle to the impact Duncan had defensively and on the glass that series

[Turbo Slayer]

Guys 3ball is posting on a new account.

[aj1987]

Nice try Apu. He wasn't close to KD or Bran in 2012

KD was straight up trash. Was a traffic cone on defense and his playmaking made Ibaka look like Magic. Now let the humans talk about basketball, monkey. :cheers: