MJ Choked His Way To The 1996 Championship.

[FireDavidKahn]

Jordan was roasting the Sonics in the first 3 games. For the next 3 games George Karl decided to have Payton stick to guarding MJ.

MJ: First 3 games: 3-0

31 PPG on 46%/50%/81.1%
5.3 rpg
5 apg
2 spg
0.3 bpg
2.3 tov

Last 3 games: 1-2

23.7 ppg on 36.7%/11.1%/86.7%
5.3 rpg
3.3 apg
1.3 spg
0 bpg
3.7 tov

And want to know the best part? When Chicago closed the game out in 6 games MJ DID THIS:

22 points on 26.3%/33.3%/91.7%
9 rebounds
7 apg
2 spg
5 tov

If only LeBron were so lucky to have choked in the deciding game in the Finals and still won. This place would go nuts.

:roll:

[And1AllDay]

shawn kemp also game scored mike higher in the series. people dont know that part

96' finals game score
kemp game score 18.9
mike game score 18.5

imagine blake griffin out game scoring king james and king james wins the chip :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

hol up

in game 6 close out mike dropped 22 points on 22% shooting :oldlol:

rodman bailed mike out with 19 boards that game and zero turnovers. what a g

[FireDavidKahn]

3ball trying to rationalize those stats in 3...2........1............

[Turbo Slayer]

Well MJ won. End of the story.

[FireDavidKahn]

Well MJ won. End of the story.

Yep. His TEAM stepped up.

[And1AllDay]

Well MJ won. End of the story.

thank the lord pip and rodman showed up for mikey

[FireDavidKahn]

thank the lord pip and rodman showed up for mikey

https://i.imgur.com/GpBXHnt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vCxkUmq.jpg

The placement of that championship trophy is definitely telling and accurate.

[And1AllDay]

https://i.imgur.com/GpBXHnt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vCxkUmq.jpg

The placement of that championship trophy is definitely telling and accurate.

mike always tried to outshoot the other team in the finals because he would never want pip to win a fmvp he was too selfish its obvious to see

mike was shooting 22% in a close out game becos he knew fmvp should not go to him he tried so hard to get it

[Whoah10115]

I think thread should be closed because OP is just sad and repetitive.

Come on, Kblaze..it's 22min to Easter.

[3ball]

How many Finals teams came back from 3-0?

Bye

[Rico2016]

shawn kemp also game scored mike higher in the series. people dont know that part

96' finals game score
kemp game score 18.9
mike game score 18.5

imagine blake griffin out game scoring king james and king james wins the chip :oldlol:

Jesus does Michael have any quality rings? He has the quantity, but the quality?

Quality over quantity, that's what I say at least .

[3ball]

Jesus does Michael have any quality rings? He has the quantity, but the quality?

Quality over quantity, that's what I say at least .
MJ hours before Game 4 of 1996 Finals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAoaAb3Nc0&t=42m32s

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-22-2015/S-0uOq.gif


MJ knew it was garbage time after game 3

31/5/5 isn't horrible - would rank in the top 5 of Bron's career, especially considering he was carrying Pippen, who was playing worse than any 2nd option ever has

[Rico2016]

MJ hours before Game 4 of 1996 Finals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAoaAb3Nc0&t=42m32s

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-22-2015/S-0uOq.gif


MJ knew it was garbage time after game 3

31/5/5 isn't horrible - would rank in the top 5 of Bron's career

Is that why he shot 22% in the close out game then? Yikes

[3ball]

Is that why he shot 22% in the close out game then? Yikes
He had already planned his vacation after getting up 3-0, and was "more relaxed than he'd ever been" - aka goat domination can make you relax

And he held Hawkins to 12 points below his normal average in Game 6 - this equaled the margin of victory and WAS the margin because everyone else let their man go off in Game 6..

So MJ was the defensive anchor in Game 6, while leading in scoring and assists.. he was also the primary defender on Payton in Games 3 and 5 (this continued a trend of MJ guarding the best player, aka Miller, Drexler, Magic, Payton, Tim Hardaway, Isiah)

[Rico2016]

He had already planned his vacation after getting up 3-0, and was "more relaxed than he'd ever been" - aka goat domination can make you relax

And he held Hawkins to 12 points below his normal average in Game 6 - this equaled the margin of victory and WAS the margin because everyone else let their man go off in Game 6..

So MJ was the defensive anchor in Game 6, while leading in scoring and assists.. he was also the primary defender on Payton in Games 3 and 5 (this continued a trend of MJ guarding the best player, aka Miller, Drexler, Magic, Payton, Tim Hardaway, Isiah)

Why did the "anchor" have the worst Defensive Rating over Pippen, Rodman, Harper, etc? That cannot be a logical statement by you but I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt! Also, why did MJ shoot 22% in a close out game?

[3ball]

Why did the "anchor" have the worst Defensive Rating over Pippen, Rodman, Harper, etc? That cannot be a logical statement by you but I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt! Also, why did MJ shoot 22% in a close out game?
Drtg merely counts defensive rebounds, which is why Bird has better drtg than Pippen

It also counts steals and blocks, but it's weighted towards and favors defensive rebounders

Also, MJ carried the offense in the Games that mattered, and locked down the defense in Game 6.

What's better - getting 16 on 39% in the 1st three games so your team is down 1-2 like lebron in 13' Finals (thus needing Ray to save him), or getting 31 on 46% to get an insurmountable 3-0 lead?

[1987_Lakers]

https://streamable.com/m5r66

[1987_Lakers]

Jordan was roasting the Sonics in the first 3 games. For the next 3 games George Karl decided to have Payton stick to guarding MJ.

MJ: First 3 games: 3-0

31 PPG on 46%/50%/81.1%
5.3 rpg
5 apg
2 spg
0.3 bpg
2.3 tov

Last 3 games: 1-2

23.7 ppg on 36.7%/11.1%/86.7%
5.3 rpg
3.3 apg
1.3 spg
0 bpg
3.7 tov

And want to know the best part? When Chicago closed the game out in 6 games MJ DID THIS:

22 points on 26.3%/33.3%/91.7%
9 rebounds
7 apg
2 spg
5 tov

If only LeBron were so lucky to have choked in the deciding game in the Finals and still won. This place would go nuts.

:roll:

What happened was George Karl finally took his head out of his ass and put GP on Jordan from games 4-6. It was Jordan's worst Finals for sure.

[3ball]

What happened was George Karl finally took his head out of his ass and put GP on Jordan from games 4-6. It was Jordan's worst Finals for sure.
What's better - getting 16 on 39% in the 1st three games so your team is down 1-2 like lebron in 13' Finals (thus needing Ray to save him), or getting 31 on 46% to get an insurmountable 3-0 lead?

[1987_Lakers]

What's better - getting 16 on 39% in the 1st three games so your team is down 1-2 like lebron in 13' Finals (thus needing Ray to save him), or getting 31 on 46% to get an insurmountable 3-0 lead?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKd-ppW1bK0

It's how you finish. LeBron had a better Finals in 2013 than Jordan in '96 so I don't see why you would even bring that up.

[Rico2016]

What's better - getting 16 on 39% in the 1st three games so your team is down 1-2 like lebron in 13' Finals (thus needing Ray to save him), or getting 31 on 46% to get an insurmountable 3-0 lead?

Oh, 1996 vs 2013 Finals? Really want to go there? What's better

Closing out the Finals with 22 points on 22% shooting vs a 6'2 midget like MJ in 96 Finals game 6, or scoring 37 on 55% against GOAT DPOY Kawhi in game 7?

Checkmate cutie

[Rico2016]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKd-ppW1bK0

It's how you finish. LeBron had a better Finals in 2013 than Jordan in '96 so I don't see why you would even bring that up.

Exactly, like how dumb can you be to open your mouth when LBJ closed the Finals with 37 on 55% when MJ did 22 on 22% :lol

[3ball]

Oh, 1996 vs 2013 Finals? Really want to go there? What's better

Closing out the Finals with 22 points on 22% shooting vs a 6'2 midget like MJ in 96 Finals game 6, or scoring 37 on 55% against GOAT DPOY Kawhi in game 7?

Checkmate cutie
My question won it

Lebron's 16 on 39% for the first 3 games caused the need for Game 7

Whereas MJ dominated more and put the series away as quickly as possible

But only lebron fans think that dominating less so you need 7 games is better than dominating more and not needing 7

Lebron's teammates had to avoid an 0-3 deficit while Lebron wet the bed, and lebron was net negative for series.... it's embarrassing

[SpaceJam]

He had already planned his vacation after getting up 3-0, and was "more relaxed than he'd ever been" - aka goat domination can make you relax

And he held Hawkins to 12 points below his normal average in Game 6 - this equaled the margin of victory and WAS the margin because everyone else let their man go off in Game 6..

So MJ was the defensive anchor in Game 6, while leading in scoring and assists.. he was also the primary defender on Payton in Games 3 and 5 (this continued a trend of MJ guarding the best player, aka Miller, Drexler, Magic, Payton, Tim Hardaway, Isiah)

They hid MJ on the Sonics 4th option in Game 6?

[Smoke117]

Ordan choked his way to lots of accomplishments he didn't really deserve. His fans are even worst than Kobe stans and that's saying a lot. We literally have a bat shit crazy 3ball and another fakkot named Coach who defended his his tiny ****...that's how insane his stans are. He was laughed off the court the time he went up against a true superstar like Larry Bird. He basically enjoyed success in a weak ass 90s league. What a ****ing joke of a "GOAT".

[SouBeachTalents]

He had already planned his vacation after getting up 3-0, and was "more relaxed than he'd ever been" - aka goat domination can make you relax

And he held Hawkins to 12 points below his normal average in Game 6 - this equaled the margin of victory and WAS the margin because everyone else let their man go off in Game 6..

So MJ was the defensive anchor in Game 6, while leading in scoring and assists.. he was also the primary defender on Payton in Games 3 and 5 (this continued a trend of MJ guarding the best player, aka Miller, Drexler, Magic, Payton, Tim Hardaway, Isiah)
Some absolutely pathetic excuse making AND terrible basketball analysis, all rolled into one post.

This nikka really trying to say Jordan was on vacation during a Game 6 of the Finals :lol

[AlternativeAcc.]

LeBron gets better as the pressure mounts, Jordan gets worse

Jordan was a front-runner just like Curry, only plays well when his team affords him big series leads

We never saw Jordan in a game 7 in the finals because his team was unfairly stacked relative to comp. He never actually faced any real pressure in the finals

The myth of Jordan being clutch is hilarious. Lebron has made a career out of being clutch and digging his shitty teams out of holes and dominating elimination games.

[Axe]

Man poor op.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Jordan played with the 2 best defenders in NBA history

"defensive anchor"

3ball's desperation is palpable. :oldlol:

[LAL]

Why did iguadala and kawhi win finals mvp as lebron's defensive matchups? Was it the great defense on lebron? Because i thought lebron's triple doubles told a different story? Serious question.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Why did iguadala and kawhi win finals mvp as lebron's defensive matchups? Was it the great defense on lebron? Because i thought lebron's triple doubles told a different story? Serious question.

They COMBINED for 29ppg...LeBron avereged 34ppg for those series. They COMBINED for 5ppg less than LeBron :roll:

[LAL]

They COMBINED for 29ppg...LeBron avereged 34ppg for those series. They COMBINED for 5ppg less than LeBron :roll:

That's exactly my point. So they were awarded for their great defense despite what lebron stats say. Eye opener.

[Axe]

That's exactly my point. So they were awarded for their great defense despite what lebron stats say. Eye opener.
Lol this kinda reminds me about iggy's confession that some notable players were more harder to guard than lebron.

[AlternativeAcc.]

That's exactly my point. So they were awarded for their great defense despite what lebron stats say. Eye opener.

LeBron got FMVP votes on the losing team and should've won both. They got awarded because they had to pick someone on the winning team despite their being no good choices. LeBron was by far the best player in both series just like he's been his entire career, unlike Kobe who was almost never the best :(

[LAL]

LeBron got FMVP votes on the losing team and should've won both. They got awarded because they had to pick someone on the winning team despite their being no good choices. LeBron was by far the best player in both series just like he's been his entire career, unlike Kobe who was almost never the best :(

Fail. Maybe next time buddy.

[Axe]

LeBron got FMVP votes on the losing team and should've won both. They got awarded because they had to pick someone on the winning team despite their being no good choices. LeBron was by far the best player in both series just like he's been his entire career, unlike Kobe who was almost never the best :(
You do realize that we are not in the late 60s anymore, right?

[AlternativeAcc.]

Fail. Maybe next time buddy.

Waiving the white flag already sport? :oldlol:

When your elementary takes get destroyed within seconds there's no where to hide.

Too easy

[AlternativeAcc.]

You do realize that we are not in the late 60s anymore, right?

Which is why they gave the award to players that LeBron destoryed, instead of the true FMVP. LeBron magnified a slight flaw in the voting process and almost broke the code, nobody has ever done that in the modern era. Usually there's at least one deserving FMVP on the winning team... but not when LeBron's around. LeGOAT makes history in every way possible.

[LAL]

Waiving the white flag already sport? :oldlol:

When your elementary takes get destroyed within seconds there's no where to hide.

Too easy

Nice try buddy :) Stop replying i want people to see how stupid i made you look there.

[Axe]

Which is why they gave the award to players that LeBron destoryed, instead of the true FMVP. LeBron magnified a slight flaw in the voting process and almost broke the code, nobody has ever done that in the modern era. Usually there's at least one deserving FMVP on the winning team... but not when LeBron's around. LeGOAT makes history in every way possible.
I get your point since he's the ultimate carrying machine, after all. However, that doesn't make him an exception as he still came up short of winning those finals series.

[Sarcastic]

Series was over after game 3.

[AlternativeAcc.]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EducatedScaryIbadanmalimbe-size_restricted.gif

Not even mentally capable of a rebuttal in real time

Yikes :lol

[LAL]

Not even mentally capable of a rebuttal in real time

Yikes :lol

Rebuttal for "should've won fmvp in both losing series" and "they were awarded mvp because there were no good choices" ?? You really think you did something there? Or is that how you behave when you feel humiliated?

[AlternativeAcc.]

I get your point since he's the ultimate carrying machine, after all. However, that doesn't make him an exception as he still came up short of winning those finals series.

Basketball is a team sport after all, can't win em all. Unless you have peak Shaq on your team and face the worst competition in finals history. Then you can almost win them all (04 choke job being the exception)

[Axe]

Rebuttal for "should've won fmvp in both losing series" and "they were awarded mvp because there were no good choices" ?? You really think you did something there? Or is that how you behave when you feel humiliated?
🤣🤣🤣

[Axe]

Basketball is a team sport after all, can't win em all. Unless you have peak Shaq on your team and face the worst competition in finals history. Then you can almost win them all (04 choke job being the exception)
Oh so now you see already.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Rebuttal for "should've won fmvp in both losing series" and "they were awarded mvp because there were no good choices" ?? You really think you did something there? Or is that how you behave when you feel humiliated?

Aww. looks whose getting emotional because he's mentally incapable of making an intelligent take. :lol


You're like a little midget who I'm holding back with 1 hand. Keep raging little fella. Keep those handicapped takes flying, don't be shy. :D

[AlternativeAcc.]

Oh so now you see already.

LeBron didn't come up short, his team did. Yes, this is common knowledge.

Anything else Axe?

[LAL]

Aww. looks whose getting emotional because he's mentally incapable of making an intelligent take. :lol


You're like a little midget who I'm holding back with 1 hand. Keep raging little fella. Keep those handicapped takes flying, don't be shy. :D

Wow.. even bronsexuals can't defend this shit your doing now, you really let them down and youre having difficulties with it. It's okay man it's not that serious, maybe they won't see this. yes lebron should've won fmvp in a couple of his 6 finals losses and iggy and kawhi were given the fmvp because there were no good choices. It's okay.

[Axe]

LeBron didn't come up short, his team did. Yes, this is common knowledge.

Anything else Axe?
Which brings us back to my statement earlier just because you think so since
LeBron got FMVP votes on the losing team and should've won both.

So... what else aside from reasons and alibis? It's getting tiresome to hear justifications about the same stuff.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Wow.. even bronsexuals can't defend this shit your doing now, you really let them down and youre having difficulties with it. It's okay man it's not that serious, maybe they won't see this. yes lebron should've won fmvp in a couple of his 6 finals losses and iggy and kawhi were given the fmvp because there were no good choices. It's okay.
Now you're writing paragraphs and melting down but still no rebuttal :lol

Poor kobestain, RIP

[nayte]

He prob did but better then choking and losing I guess like in 2011

[MiseryCityTexas]

Pippen went off in that series

[nayte]

Are u sure on that

[SouBeachTalents]

Are u sure on that
If 16 ppg on 43 TS% is going off then sure

[nayte]

If 16 ppg on 43 TS% is going off then sure

I stand corrected then .lol.

[ArbitraryWater]

MJ hours before Game 4 of 1996 Finals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAoaAb3Nc0&t=42m32s

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-22-2015/S-0uOq.gif


MJ knew it was garbage time after game 3

31/5/5 isn't horrible - would rank in the top 5 of Bron's career, especially considering he was carrying Pippen, who was playing worse than any 2nd option ever has

MJ intentionally sabotating a title by being relaxed?

stupidly playing with fire?

or nerves?

or lack of greatness?

what caused the 5/19

[LAL]

MJ intentionally sabotating a title by being relaxed?

stupidly playing with fire?

or nerves?

or lack of greatness?

what caused the 5/19

Good defense and MJ not passing up shots, not just chasing every fast break or transition layup for higher fg% and points on a stat sheet, while losing and your matchups earning fmvp for good defense on the guy who's blameless because he averaged a triple double.

Payton did great tho.

[ImKobe]

They were up 3 - 0 and chilled to an easy Game 6 win at home. How does one choke, when he puts his team up 3 - 0 while averaging 31 ppg in those games?

If you're looking for choking, check Lebron in the 2011 Finals with the 17 ppg and the 8pt game he had while choking one close game after another and blowing a 2 - 1 series lead.

[Whoah10115]

Ordan choked his way to lots of accomplishments he didn't really deserve. His fans are even worst than Kobe stans and that's saying a lot. We literally have a bat shit crazy 3ball and another fakkot named Coach who defended his his tiny ****...that's how insane his stans are. He was laughed off the court the time he went up against a true superstar like Larry Bird. He basically enjoyed success in a weak ass 90s league. What a ****ing joke of a "GOAT".

For such a smart poster you prove why you're still on this site that you hate so much.

Too bad.

[ImKobe]

For such a smart poster you prove why you're still on this site that you hate so much.

Too bad.

LOL @ thinking he was smart.

[Wally450]

How many Finals teams came back from 3-0?

Bye

How many Finals teams came back from 3-1?

One.

Bye

[LAL]

How many Finals teams came back from 3-1?

One.

Bye

nerd

[Da_Realist]

He would have averaged 40 against those same Sonics if they played by today's rules. It was a man's game back then. You LeBron fans need to stop talking about things you don't understand. Stick to over-analyzing boxscores.

[HoopsNY]

LeBron got FMVP votes on the losing team and should've won both. They got awarded because they had to pick someone on the winning team despite their being no good choices. LeBron was by far the best player in both series just like he's been his entire career, unlike Kobe who was almost never the best :(

LeBron didn't deserve finals MVP on either, especially in the series against San Antonio where Kawhi won the finals MVP. Kawhi outplayed LeBron for the series in its entirety.

[Turbo Slayer]

LeBron got FMVP votes on the losing team and should've won both. They got awarded because they had to pick someone on the winning team despite their being no good choices. LeBron was by far the best player in both series just like he's been his entire career, unlike Kobe who was almost never the best :( No. I respectfully disagreee.

[FromDowntown]

LeBron got FMVP votes on the losing team and should've won both. They got awarded because they had to pick someone on the winning team despite their being no good choices. LeBron was by far the best player in both series just like he's been his entire career, unlike Kobe who was almost never the best :(

End scene

WINNER

[HoopsNY]

They were up 3 - 0 and chilled to an easy Game 6 win at home. How does one choke, when he puts his team up 3 - 0 while averaging 31 ppg in those games?

If you're looking for choking, check Lebron in the 2011 Finals with the 17 ppg and the 8pt game he had while choking one close game after another and blowing a 2 - 1 series lead.

This is really a bad reach for MJ haters. I mean, the Bulls at the time set a record for the best regular season record all time with 72 wins. MJ won the regular season MVP and All-Star MVP, he finished All-Defensive 1st team. He then leads his team against a 64 win Seattle team that had a trio of Schrempf-Kemp-Payton to a 3-0 series lead.

The Sonics take games 4 and 5 and Chicago returns home and clinch in game 6. Scottie Pippen averages 15.7 ppg in that series shooting just 34% including 23% from deep. MJ wins finals MVP after guarding GP for much of the series. So let's recap:

72-10 record setting season
All-Star MVP
Regular season MVP
All-Defensive 1st team
All-NBA 1st team
Finals MVP with no offensive help

Sweep the first round
Sweep a 62 win team with Shaq and Penny in the ECF
Give the Knicks the gentleman's sweep
Beat a 64 win team while being guarded by the 1995-96 DPOY

This isn't a picture perfect season, but it's about as close as it gets. And btw, this is MJ's worst finals performance lol.

[HoopsNY]

Look, I get LeBron fans want to champion him as the GOAT and that's fine. But I believe you can do so without applying lies, half-truths, and mistruths. Trying to downplay MJ's 1996 finals without context is really a poor move when you consider everything.

[Turbo Slayer]

LeBron got FMVP votes on the losing team and should've won both. They got awarded because they had to pick someone on the winning team despite their being no good choices. LeBron was by far the best player in both series just like he's been his entire career, unlike Kobe who was almost never the best :(


LeBron got FMVP votes on the losing team and should've won both. They got awarded because they had to pick someone on the winning team despite their being no good choices. LeBron was by far the best player in both series just like he's been his entire career,

1. Uh NO.



unlike Kobe who was almost never the best

1. Kobe was the best scorer when he scored 35.4 points per game in 2005-06 and led a valiant effort to dethrone the Suns in the Playoffs but unfortunately lost that series.

2. Kobe won MVP, Kobe won 2 Finals MVP in his career so he was widely regarded to be one of the premier players in the league in those years.

Try again.

[FromDowntown]

LeBron didn't come up short, his team did. Yes, this is common knowledge.

Anything else Axe?

Right. Teammates and / or superior opponents

Imagine LeBron's 34-12-10 is not good enough to win
Imagine Joran's 33-4-2 is good enough to win

If LBJ faced mechanics every year I'm positive he could win more as well

[ImKobe]

This is really a bad reach for MJ haters. I mean, the Bulls at the time set a record for the best regular season record all time with 72 wins. MJ won the regular season MVP and All-Star MVP, he finished All-Defensive 1st team. He then leads his team against a 64 win Seattle team that had a trio of Schrempf-Kemp-Payton to a 3-0 series lead.

The Sonics take games 4 and 5 and Chicago returns home and clinch in game 6. Scottie Pippen averages 15.7 ppg in that series shooting just 34% including 23% from deep. MJ wins finals MVP after guarding GP for much of the series. So let's recap:

72-10 record setting season
All-Star MVP
Regular season MVP
All-Defensive 1st team
All-NBA 1st team
Finals MVP with no offensive help

Sweep the first round
Sweep a 62 win team with Shaq and Penny in the ECF
Give the Knicks the gentleman's sweep
Beat a 64 win team while being guarded by the 1995-96 DPOY

This isn't a picture perfect season, but it's about as close as it gets. And btw, this is MJ's worst finals performance lol.

MJ's worst Finals performance is him scoring 27 ppg on ~54%TS and winning FMVP and outscoring his 2nd option by over 11 ppg. LMAO. That's the best they can come up with.

[FromDowntown]

Look, I get LeBron fans want to champion him as the GOAT and that's fine. But I believe you can do so without applying lies, half-truths, and mistruths. Trying to downplay MJ's 1996 finals without context is really a poor move when you consider everything.

He won a closeout Finals game on 25%

[ImKobe]

He won a closeout Finals game on 22%

He had 22/9/7 and won in a blowout, and it was 26.3% not 22%. He had a 45.3%TS to Lebron's 47.5%TS in the closeout against the Warriors, so it's not like he was that inefficient.

[FromDowntown]

He had 22/9/7 and won in a blowout, and it was 26.3% not 22%. He had a 45.3%TS to Lebron's 47.5%TS in the closeout against the Warriors, so it's not like he was that inefficient.

38% vs 26%

Close! :lol

[Soundwave]

The last three games of the 96 Finals would be the one exception where the Bulls left off the gas pedal and can you really blame them, they totally destroyed the regular season 72-10 and then demolished the playoffs.

The *real* NBA Finals that year was Bulls-Magic in the ECF, that was the series everyone was looking forward to and the Magic were widely pegged as the only team that might be able to beat the Bulls. They got destroyed.

The Sonics series was just a formality to get the season over with and after the first three games where the Bulls got up 3-0, and 2/3 games were blow outs, Chicago relaxed for a bit, but at the end of the day who cares -- they won. That's all that matters.

How many LeBron boot lickers would bend over backwards and kiss their rear end to change any single one of his 6 NBA Finals losses. Winning is winning. Period. The 96 Bulls more than earned the right to take two games off if they felt like it, still wrapped up the series in a comfortable 6 games and more ideally were able to win that historic championship in front of the home crowd.

[dbugz]

Yep. His TEAM stepped up.

Talking about stepping up?

LeQuit titles will always be remembered as these

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*Shortened season against a young Thunder team.


https://media.tenor.com/images/1bad404942436829970697f0246e8a14/tenor.gif

[HoopsNY]

Talking about stepping up?

LeQuit titles will always be remembered as these

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But now you're minimizing LeBron's contributions in those NBA finals, where he won the finals MVP and one of those performances, led both teams in every major statistical category (points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks).

If you want to be objective, please do. But don't try to tear down LeBron's legacy on clear accomplishments in which he alone stands out.

[LAL]

But now you're minimizing LeBron's contributions in those NBA finals, where he won the finals MVP and one of those performances, led both teams in every major statistical category (points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks).

If you want to be objective, please do. But don't try to tear down LeBron's legacy on clear accomplishments in which he alone stands out.

He had those numbers too when Kawhi & Iguadala shut him down.

[red1]

He had those numbers too when Kawhi & Iguadala shut him down.

neither of these guys shut him down - in fact he was much better than both. what are you talking about. :oldlol:


in fact they only got the finals MVP because it was their job to get torched. :oldlol:

[LAL]

neither of these guys shut him down - in fact he was much better than both. what are you talking about. :oldlol:


in fact they only got the finals MVP because it was their job to get torched. :oldlol:
Wrong, lebron never has bad games on paper, he's the stats king like luka or westbrook for example.. but in reality he's not as good as his numbers indicate and obviously kawhi & iggy were awarded because he couldn't get past them in half court, it was so embarassing even his triple doubles and transition points couldn't cover that.

Not because they were torched silly.

[Turbo Slayer]

Wrong, lebron never has bad games on paper, he's the stats king like luka or westbrook for example.. but in reality he's not as good as his numbers indicate and obviously kawhi & iggy were awarded because he couldn't get past them in half court, it was so embarassing even his triple doubles and transition points couldn't cover that.

Not because they were torched silly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx3B8YQ7bBc Amazing. He had to carry that team with no Kyrie and Love. Shame it was wasted...

I dont why anyone choose to hate this man.

[red1]

Wrong, lebron never has bad games on paper, he's the stats king like luka or westbrook for example.. but in reality he's not as good as his numbers indicate and obviously kawhi & iggy were awarded because he couldn't get past them in half court, it was so embarassing even his triple doubles and transition points couldn't cover that.

Not because they were torched silly.

you're an idiot dude. everything you've ever posted has been weak as ****. lebron has a finals MVP against both of them putting up lesser numbers than the years you claim "kawhi and iggy locked him down." that just shows it isnt about the stats. I guess they locked him down into a finals MVP performance those other years. :oldlol:


iggy was awarded the finals MVP by 2015 by default because curry was a bitch. lebron had 4 finals MVP votes that year even though he didnt have kyrie or love or any real support. and in 2014 kawhi was one of many players on the spurs that played well. he wasnt even that good of a player compared to his second finals MVP. they just gave it to him because he was arguably the best player on a deep and well balanced team, and more importantly he had the task of getting torched by lebron.

[LAL]

you're an idiot dude. everything you've ever posted has been weak as ****. lebron has a finals MVP against both of them putting up lesser numbers than the years you claim "kawhi and iggy locked him down." that just shows it isnt about the stats. I guess they locked him down into a finals MVP performance those other years. :oldlol:


iggy was awarded the finals MVP by 2015 by default because curry was a bitch. lebron had 4 finals MVP votes that year even though he didnt have kyrie or love or any real support. and in 2014 kawhi was one of many players on the spurs that played well. he wasnt even that good of a player compared to his second finals MVP. they just gave it to him because he was arguably the best player on a deep and well balanced team, and more importantly he had the task of getting torched by lebron.

Iggy was awarded fmvp because curry was a bitch, and kawhi fmvp because his job was to get torched by lebron, lebron has great stats and everything i post is weak.

Yes?

[LAL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx3B8YQ7bBc Amazing. He had to carry that team with no Kyrie and Love. Shame it was wasted...

I dont why anyone choose to hate this man.

No were just shutting down the ridiculous goat claims and bronsexuals have been hating every other superstar since 2004, it's ridiculous.

[Turbo Slayer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5W0VJATkpE

[Turbo Slayer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph0zMOtfOPs

[Turbo Slayer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrDyppse6lU

[Turbo Slayer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BgkjjRGGdo

Man people criticize LeBron for dropping a 35/8.5/13.

[red1]

Iggy was awarded fmvp because curry was a bitch, and kawhi fmvp because his job was to get torched by lebron, lebron has great stats and everything i post is weak.

Yes?

but you somehow missed all of the facts?



He had those numbers too when Kawhi & Iguadala shut him down.

all I'm saying is that he didnt get shut down by either player which is a common and incorrect narrative. "hurr durr got shutdown in the halfcourt." its similar to other narratives that you post.


so again it isnt correct, and then I explained why. iggy didnt get the finals MVP because he shut him down - it was because curry didnt have a memorable series. in fact lebron had 4 mvp votes to curry's zero votes. this is despite curry being on the winning team - which is why I said curry is a bitch. how was he the best player in the league like warriorfan was claiming when he couldnt even get a single finals MVP vote on the WINNING team?


and then in 2014 kawhi wasnt even nearly as good as lebron was that year. he just got the finals MVP because he was arguably the best player on a deep team. and like I said - because it was his job to get torched by lebron. that factors highly in the eyes of MVP voters. poor kid had 30 dropped on him every night.



stats dont matter. its about how well you play. and lebron was great in the playoffs every year from 2012-2018.

[LAL]

but you somehow missed all of the facts?




all I'm saying is that he didnt get shut down by either player which is a common and incorrect narrative. "hurr durr got shutdown in the halfcourt." its similar to other narratives that you post.


so again it isnt correct, and then I explained why. iggy didnt get the finals MVP because he shut him down - it was because curry didnt have a memorable series. in fact lebron had 4 mvp votes to curry's zero votes. this is despite curry being on winning team - which is why I said curry is a bitch.


and then in 2014 kawhi wasnt even nearly as good as lebron was that year. he just got the finals MVP because he was arguably the best player on a deep team. and like I said - because it was his job to get torched by lebron. that factors highly in the eyes of MVP voters. poor kid had 30 dropped on him every night.

Cmon dude.. my narrative is WATCHING him get shut down 1 on 1 in halfcourt when he wasn't chasing fast break points, also them getting awarded for it confirms that.

But we should go with your ridiculous narrative right?

[Turbo Slayer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TYg01xMCU8 LeBron drops 44 points in this one.

[red1]

Cmon dude.. my narrative is WATCHING him get shut down 1 on 1 in halfcourt when he wasn't chasing fast break points, also them getting awarded for it confirms that.

But we should go with your ridiculous narrative right?

if you're talking about 2015 its because he was gassed. you need as many easy buckets as you can get when you are undermanned. the team didnt have anyone else to handle the ball all series plus they had a short rotation so everyone had to run around chasing shooters and the warriors were healthy and rested so they kept bringing in fresh players. delly literally needed an IV because he was running around so much. thats why kyrie and his ballhandling wouldve been huge. it would relieve a ton of pressure. they didnt even need kevin love.

did you watch that series? I didnt say anything ridiculous, how's that a ridiculous narrative. when you dont have to expend so much energy on all sides of the ball all game long it gives you more energy for 1-on-1 scoring. I dont recall lebron having a hard time scoring on iggy in 2016 or any other year.

[Cyrus334]

Gary Payton was a beast holding MJ to those numbers. He's also one of the few guards NBA history who won DPOY. No shame in being held to inefficient numbers against a guy like that.

[LAL]

if you're talking about 2015 its because he was gassed. you need as many easy buckets as you can get when you are undermanned. the team didnt have anyone else to handle the ball all series plus they had a short rotation so everyone had to run around chasing shooters and the warriors were healthy and rested so they kept bringing in fresh players. delly literally needed an IV because he was running around so much. thats why kyrie and his ballhandling wouldve been huge. it would relieve a ton of pressure. they didnt even need kevin love.

did you watch that series? I didnt say anything ridiculous, how's that a ridiculous narrative. when you dont have to expend so much energy on all sides of the ball all game long it gives you more energy for 1-on-1 scoring. I dont recall lebron having a hard time scoring on iggy in 2016 or any other year.

He ALWAYS shoots poorly 1 on 1 against Iguadala and Kawhi. Please stop with the long ass excuses for why he lost so much, he looked gassed because he runs after EVERY single fast break, something his lesser teammates can do? and then passes the ball back on top when curry is guarding him alone in the post, quite the goat. Kudos for the series he won.

[Da_Realist]

stats dont matter. its about how well you play. and lebron was great in the playoffs every year from 2012-2018.

LeBron's team lost by 18 points per game in 2014 (lost in five), by 18 per game in 2017 (lost in five) and by 15 per in 2018 (swept). They weren't competitive by a long shot in any of those three Finals. Does that not matter?

[red1]

I never insulted mikes competition once the first 10 years that I posted here. I just wanted to insult kobe stans and pull for my raptors to win and for lebron to win.


but then 3ball kept telling us over, and over, and over again that mike is a one-man team an unbeatable winning machine worst support ever.


and kept telling us over, and over, and over again that lebron is a loser who played on stacked teams who beat weak competition. kept trashing the spurs warriors etc etc.


and then you look a little bit closer and you realize holy shit - pippen's bulls won 55 without mike. and then they beat the '96 sonics and the '97 and '98 jazz in the finals. not '13 spurs or the '16 warriors.


kemp and payton (6'3) vs jordan pippen rodman kukoc


yikes. I thought he was a one-man team who slayed goliath-sized giants on his own. not 6'3 gary payton.

[red1]

LeBron's team lost by 18 points per game in 2014 (lost in five), by 18 per game in 2017 (lost in five) and by 15 per in 2018 (swept). They weren't competitive by a long shot in any of those three Finals. Does that not matter?

just gotta watch those series my dude. you'll see what I'm referring to very quickly. I'm going to rewatch some 80's and 90's games myself.

[Turbo Slayer]

Interestingly enough, no teams in history imploded like the Cavs in 2011. After LeBron left the Cavs, the Cavs played at a trash -8.9 SRS (18 win pace). Pretty interesting stuff.

https://www.backpicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Effects-of-superstars-changing-teams.png

No player in NBA history has correlated to with massive, worst-to-first impact than James.

[red1]

He ALWAYS shoots poorly 1 on 1 against Iguadala and Kawhi. Please stop with the long ass excuses for why he lost so much, he looked gassed because he runs after EVERY single fast break, something his lesser teammates can do? and then passes the ball back on top when curry is guarding him alone in the post, quite the goat. Kudos for the series he won.

thats actually not true bro. its just not. and in 2015 its not an excuse, its an undeniable fact. they absolutely were gassed. every single player on the cavs was gassed.

[Cyrus334]

Interestingly enough, no teams in history imploded like the Cavs in 2011. After LeBron left the Cavs, the Cavs played at a trash -8.9 SRS (18 win pace). Pretty interesting stuff.

https://www.backpicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Effects-of-superstars-changing-teams.png

No player in NBA history has correlated to with massive, worst-to-first impact than James.

You need to add context to things like these. Do people really think Lebron leaving is the only reason the Cavs went from contenders to the worst team in the league?

Look at the Warriors this year. If you ignore context, you'd assume Kevin Durant leaving is the reason they went from 57 Wins to 15 Wins (Thus far).

Basketball is a team sport, a single player should never be worth a difference of over 40 wins, especially in the regular season where team depth and coaching matter far more than just a single superstar.

[Turbo Slayer]

You need to add context to things like these. Do people really think Lebron leaving is the only reason the Cavs went from contenders to the worst team in the league?

Look at the Warriors this year. If you ignore context, you'd assume Kevin Durant leaving is the reason they went from 57 Wins to 15 Wins (Thus far).

Basketball is a team sport, a single player should never be worth a difference of over 40 wins, especially in the regular season where team depth and coaching matter far more than just a single superstar. I agree with you on this. Stats dont always tells us everything but they do good.

I believe the best way to argue is to combine stats and context to create a cohesive argument. Youre right.

[Whoah10115]

People shouldn't criticize LeBron just to combat the nitballs who are actually using the 96 Finals AGAINST Jordan.

LeBron had an argument in 15, as did Curry (who plays well every Finals), as did Iguodala.

He doesn't have an argument over Kawhi in 2014, nor against Manu. That's not funny.

He didn't play poorly, but he didn't play very well. It's insulting to other great players because it takes the onus away from playing and performing and settles back into the comfort of reading the night's stats and posting about it here.

It's also insulting to LeBron. When he single-handedly beats Detroit in a game scoring 48 of 50 or whatever, when he takes the initiative of guarding Rose down the stretch of a game, when takes Cleveland all the way to a Finals they have no chance of winning...he doesn't need people to hype him up there. He became a better player when he started caring less about that.

Quote those stats all you want. You miss the point on him, and by virtue of this approach disrespect all the players before.

Is dumb. Me too for posting in here.

[Axe]

Interestingly enough, no teams in history imploded like the Cavs in 2011. After LeBron left the Cavs, the Cavs played at a trash -8.9 SRS (18 win pace). Pretty interesting stuff.

https://www.backpicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Effects-of-superstars-changing-teams.png

No player in NBA history has correlated to with massive, worst-to-first impact than James.
A 42-game drop from the preceding season.

[RRR3]

People shouldn't criticize LeBron just to combat the nitballs who are actually using the 96 Finals AGAINST Jordan.

LeBron had an argument in 15, as did Curry (who plays well every Finals), as did Iguodala.

He doesn't have an argument over Kawhi in 2014, nor against Manu. That's not funny.

He didn't play poorly, but he didn't play very well. It's insulting to other great players because it takes the onus away from playing and performing and settles back into the comfort of reading the night's stats and posting about it here.

It's also insulting to LeBron. When he single-handedly beats Detroit in a game scoring 48 of 50 or whatever, when he takes the initiative of guarding Rose down the stretch of a game, when takes Cleveland all the way to a Finals they have no chance of winning...he doesn't need people to hype him up there. He became a better player when he started caring less about that.

Quote those stats all you want. You miss the point on him, and by virtue of this approach disrespect all the players before.

Is dumb. Me too for posting in here.
EVERY finals? :oldlol:

[Whoah10115]

EVERY finals? :oldlol:

Well..yeah.

But you can say he hasn't played up to his general performance. I'd accept that.

And no, not last year's.