Bill Laimbeer: LeBron is the GOAT over MJ and is better at involving teammates to win

[3ball]

You will never convince them.
I'm not presenting an argument

I'm presenting facts

When MJ played point guard, he was considered a superior PG than Magic/Isiah/Stockton

That's just a fact - he averaged 30/9/11 for 24 games at PG, including a stretch of 10 triple-doubles in 11 games - Magic never did that and never could.. neither has lebron

Lebron did have a 12 game stretch at PG in 09' when he put up similar numbers, but it was only 12 games and against teams that averaged 34 wins (lottery)... Otoh, MJ's 24 games at PG was against teams that averaged 45 wins (playoff teams)

[Axe]

I'm not presenting an argument

I'm presenting facts

When MJ played point guard, he was considered a superior PG than Magic/Isiah/Stockton

That's just a fact - he averaged 30/9/11 for 24 games at PG, including a stretch of 10 triple-doubles in 11 games - Magic never did that and never could.. neither has lebron
As if they will believe that.

[3ball]

As if they will believe that.
Everything I said is historical record - you can literally look up articles where it says MJ was a better PG than Magic after just a few games at the position

It shouldn't be surprising - ANYONE that averaged 30/9/11 at PG on great efficiency would be considered the best PG in the league... :confusedshrug:

[FromDowntown]

I'm not presenting an argument

I'm presenting facts

When MJ played point guard, he was considered a superior PG than Magic/Isiah/Stockton

That's just a fact - he averaged 30/9/11 for 24 games at PG, including a stretch of 10 triple-doubles in 11 games - Magic never did that and never could.. neither has lebron

Lebron did have a 12 game stretch at PG in 09' when he put up similar numbers, but it was only 12 games and against teams that averaged 34 wins (lottery)... Otoh, MJ's 24 games at PG was against teams that averaged 45 wins (playoff teams)

This guy is bragging about a regular season 30-9-11.:lol

MJ did this in the regular season...LBJ averaged 30-11-9 in the FINALS in 2016. He averaged 34-12-10 in 2017. And in 2018 it was 34-10-9.

Imagine doing it for the Finals agains thr GOAT teams.

Next please.

[3ball]

This guy is bragging about a regular season 30-9-11.:lol

MJ did this in the regular season...LBJ averaged 30-11-9 in the FINALS in 2016. He averaged 34-12-10 in 2017. And in 2018 it was 34-10-9.

Imagine doing it for the Finals agains thr GOAT teams.

Next please.
And he got destroyed like all PG's do

That's why MJ went back to his 35/6/6 profile rather than 30/10/10

Because PG style ball-domination mostly loses to ball movement in the championship

Otoh, it's the timely scorer-defenders with assassin mentality that win the most.. they can still pass and get 5-7 assists, but they understand not to overdo it - monopolization of assists by one guy usually results in low TEAM assists and weak ball movement that struggles on the championship level

[FromDowntown]

And he got destroyed like all PG's do

That's why MJ went back to his 35/6/6 profile rather than 30/10/10

Because PG style ball-domination mostly loses to ball movement in the championship

Otoh, it's the timely scorer-defenders with assassin mentality that win the most.. they can still pass and get 5-7 assists, but they understand not to overdo it - monopolization of assists by one guy usually results in low TEAM assists and weak ball movement that struggles on the championship level

Actually MJ couldnt sustain 30-10-10 like LeBron and good defense. He had to trade his scoring for passing and defense. Good thing Pippen and Rodman salvaged his 1-9 career loser numbers.

[3ball]

Actually MJ couldnt sustain 30-10-10 like LeBron and good defense. He had to trade his scoring for passing and defense. Good thing Pippen and Rodman salvaged his 1-9 career loser numbers.
Again, jordan's timely scoring focus wins more and resulted in better teams that win all the close games

Lebron can only dream of that, or being feared in the clutch like MJ...

Sorry but he can't make up 5 points less per game and far less clutch stats with a couple extra defensive rebounds and dribbling/wasting shot-clock trying to get an assist

[Axe]

Actually MJ couldnt sustain 30-10-10 like LeBron and good defense. He had to trade his scoring for passing and defense. Good thing Pippen and Rodman salvaged his 1-9 career loser numbers.
Lol your ridiculous animosity towards jordan and his teams is really getting eyesore and so boring in these past few days. Makes you look so miserable as well.

[FromDowntown]

Lol your ridiculous animosity towards jordan and his teams is really getting eyesore and so boring in these past few days. Makes you look so miserable as well.

Just the facts

[SpaceJam]

Wasn't that around the time MJ would stat-pad?

[LAmbruh]

Wasn't that around the time MJ would stat-pad?

I believe it was

[deathawaitu]

Actually MJ couldnt sustain 30-10-10 like LeBron and good defense. He had to trade his scoring for passing and defense. Good thing Pippen and Rodman salvaged his 1-9 career loser numbers.

Lebron no jones no chip

[3ball]

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Laimbeer is wrong because MJ assisted on the most Bulls field goals for both 3-peats, so MJ assisted teammates more



Assist Percentage 1991-1993 Playoffs:

Jordan: 31.1%
Pippen: 23.3%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced


Assist Percentage 1996-1998 Playoffs:

Jordan: 22.3%
Pippen: 22.0%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced


Again, the triangle was an equal-opportunity offense that relied on ball movement to get assists, not 1 guy dribbling a lot.. the narrative about Pippen being a facilitator is true, but everyone was a facilitator in that offense.. Pippen simply gets the credit because he was the 2nd best player and there's NOTHING ELSE OFFENSIVELY TO PRAISE HIM FOR




Actually MJ couldnt sustain 30-10-10 like LeBron and good defense. He had to trade his scoring for passing and defense. Good thing Pippen and Rodman salvaged his 1-9 career loser numbers.
MJ sustained 30/10/10 longer than lebron ever did (24 games)

And MJ didn't sacrifice anything to score because he matched Pippen in assists and got more dpoy votes

He simply gave up the 30/10/10 profile for a more winning 34/6/6 profile