The Logic of Quarantine Rules

[Nanners]

If you are sick, you can't leave your home... other than going to the grocery store, pharmacy, or any of the other "essential" businesses. Same rules if you are healthy.

You can only buy "essential" items - like alcohol, cigarettes, and lottery tickets.

This virus is only deadly to a small number of immune compromised and elderly... but will be a global disaster unchecked

Gloves and masks dont help, but wear them anyway.

Animals are not affected, except tigers... also this originated from a chinaman eating a bat, and it probably infects dogs and housecats

Everyone will be infected and experience mild symptoms (which feel like death)... but the majority of people will get sick without symptoms, while others will have symptoms without being sick or be contagious without having symptoms.

Its necessary to get some fresh air, but you cant go to parks or other public spaces, and you should stay off the street.

You can get restaurant food delivered to your house, which may have been prepared/transported by sick people... but you cant cook food and then deliver it to a friend or family member.

You can't go visit your elderly friends/relatives, but you can take a taxi driven by an old person or interact with an old cashier at a grocery store.

You are safe if you maintain the appropriate social distance, but you can’t hang out with friends at the safe social distance.

The latest research "suggests" that the virus remains active on surfaces for two hours, no, four, no, six, no, did we say hours? maybe days? Also, the virus can only survive in a damp environment, but it also survives in a dry environment.

The latest research "suggests" the virus only transmits t on infected surfaces, except it can also be aerosolized. In one hour a sick person can infect ten, unless you stay at 6ft social distance... also the latest research "suggests" the virus can travel much farther than the social distancing range...maybe.

We calculate the death rate using the number of confirmed positive tests divided by the number of deaths confirmed and/or suspected to be corona related. We have no idea how many people are currently infected or have been infected in the past.

There is no treatment, except one that is cheap and widely available... but its dangerous, except its not dangerous in foreign countries, but its dangerous in the USA (Orange man bad).

We should stay locked up to SAVE LIVES until the virus disappears, but it will only disappear when we have a vaccine, and there is no guarantee that a vaccine can be developed. Also, the human immune system has successfully protected humanity from corona strains for at least 10,000 years (probably far longer), but this strain is different than the ~30 known strains of corona... also, this strain also has the same symptoms as all known corona strains (and would have the same death rate too if we werent cooking the books).


Anyway, while we are all cowering-in-place to protect the ~60k old/sick people currently projected to die from this particular strain of the common cold, lets continue to do absolutely nothing to address preventable deaths like the ~400k americans killed by cigarettes every year, the ~100k americans who die from obesity related issues, the 85k who die due to alcohol, 70k americans who die because they could not afford healthcare, the ~55k americans who commit suicide, the ~65k americans who die from opiate overdoses... etc

[DoctorP]

:lol

thanks genius. now i can sleep safe

[Nanners]

:lol

thanks genius. now i can sleep safe

but you are already asleep

[Stanley Kobrick]

you are so woke

[Nanners]

you are so woke

thanks, that means a lot coming from a chinese/russian propagandist like you

[Stanley Kobrick]

michael jackson is an alienz

[Nanners]

22m people filed for unemployment in the past month... which means 710 people newly unemployed for each supposed corona death

[~primetime~]

22m people filed for unemployment in the past month... which means 710 people newly unemployed for each supposed corona death

1. We don't know how many deaths are being exchanged for unemployed. Maybe the shut down has saved 1,000,000 lives...maybe the shutdown has saved 1,000 lives...we don't know

2. unemployment would STILL be high without the shutdown...people are staying inside on their own...you think the economy would be booming right now without a shutdown?

[Nanners]

1. We don't know how many deaths are being exchanged for unemployed. Maybe the shut down has saved 1,000,000 lives...maybe the shutdown has saved 1,000 lives...we don't know

2. unemployment would STILL be high without the shutdown...people are staying inside on their own...you think the economy would be booming right now without a shutdown?

1. Heres what we do know - There have been ~30k deaths that have been blamed on covid (the real number is probably far lower), and 22m americans have filed for unemployment (the actual number of unemployed is probably far higher if you include jobs like independent contractors). Taking a conservative estimation using the number of unemployment filings divided by the official (and laughably inflated) number of deaths, it comes out to a little over 700 jobs per death... in reality its probably closer to 1000 or 2000 jobs lost per death.

2. No shit the economy was not going to be booming right now, unemployment def would have risen without the shutdown... but it obviously would not have risen anywhere remotely close to the amount we have seen it go up with the government forcibly shutting down entire industries nationwide.

[~primetime~]

700 jobs per current death?...wtf is the point of that ratio?...if there aren't many deaths right now then that leans toward the unemployment being worth it!


we need to know how many lives are being SAVED for jobs lost...that's all that matters here...and that number is impossible to obtain

[tpols]

Look what theyre trying to do in NJ... this is after things open back up.


“A normal gathering in the foreseeable future, I just don’t see it," he added.

Murphy provided a glimpse Wednesday into what some examples of re-opened businesses would look like, including restaurants that could start offering dine-in options again with temperature checks or rapid coronavirus saliva tests at the door.

“I could see the restaurant protocol,” the governor said, while offering no timeline. “You go inside, the servers are masked and gloved. You’re at 50% capacity.”

Murphy also said some traditional greetings may be avoided for some time.

“I don’t know that any time soon we’re going to go back into the — what I love, by the way — big handshake, kiss on the cheek, hug, high fives,” he said.

Absolute insanity. Cant even handshake or hug after we re-open. what are they going to do, have police arrest people for having slight physical contact?

segmenting populations with "tests" everywhere. Mfers are nuts.

People arent going to stand for this bullshit much longer. This has become a political power grab and they love it.

[ZenMaster]

700 jobs per current death?...wtf is the point of that ratio?...if there aren't many deaths right now then that leans toward the unemployment being worth it!


we need to know how many lives are being SAVED for jobs lost...that's all that matters here...and that number is impossible to obtain

There has to be a balance in between the two and you have to try and estimate a number, because unemployment leads to deaths long term by cutting years off peoples lives. Stress leads to disease.

[~primetime~]

There has to be a balance in between the two and you have to try and estimate a number, because unemployment leads to deaths long term by cutting years off peoples lives. Stress leads to disease.

yes but currently we are seeing a huge decrease in heart attacks...and overall deaths outside of covid

in fact I feel like that is one of the biggest take aways from this ordeal...it is showing us how stressful the regular hustle of everyday working life is. Wake up to an alarm clock, rush getting ready just to jump into stressful rush hour traffic, and then bust your ass to please your boss. Rinse and repeat.


now if this lasted another 6 months would we still see stress free living? probably not...but we aren't there yet

[ZenMaster]

yes but currently we are seeing a huge decrease in heart attacks...and overall deaths outside of covid

in fact I feel like that is one of the biggest take aways from this ordeal...it is showing us how stressful the regular hustle of everyday working life is. Wake up to an alarm clock, rush getting ready just to jump into stressful rush hour traffic, and then bust your ass to please your boss. Rinse and repeat.


now if this lasted another 6 months would we still see stress free living? probably not...but we aren't there yet

Not being able to pay bills.

Having to rely on the government to provide for one financially.

Saving money by not getting certain health things checked out, e.g going to the dentist.

Marital issues because of lack of money.

Worrying about where you are going to live.

Are just some of the things there is nothing stress free about, not today or 6 months from now. All these things, and many more, will cause a lot of people to have years shaved off their life in the end. There's also consequences towards how the kids of all the people affected by this grow up.

It's a great time though to bring jobs back within national borders.

[Nanners]

yes but currently we are seeing a huge decrease in heart attacks...and overall deaths outside of covid

in fact I feel like that is one of the biggest take aways from this ordeal...it is showing us how stressful the regular hustle of everyday working life is. Wake up to an alarm clock, rush getting ready just to jump into stressful rush hour traffic, and then bust your ass to please your boss. Rinse and repeat.

The idea that heart attacks are down because of "stress" makes no sense whatsoever, considering "stress" is undoubtedly way up with - a biblical economic recession currently kicking off, 22m americans going on unemployment in the past month, children staying home all day rather than going to school, and huge levels of uncertainty about the economic future while society as we know it is collapsing.

IMO its far more likely that the number of heart attacks is going down for some other reason such as - people avoiding hospitals unless absolutely necessary, or heart attack deaths being re-classified as covid (heart disease and respiratory infections are highly correlated).

[~primetime~]

Not being able to pay bills.

Having to rely on the government to provide for one financially.

Saving money by not getting certain health things checked out, e.g going to the dentist.

Marital issues because of lack of money.

Worrying about where you are going to live.

Are just some of the things there is nothing stress free about, not today or 6 months from now. All these things, and many more, will cause a lot of people to have years shaved off their life in the end. There's also consequences towards how the kids of all the people affected by this grow up.

yeah and obviously this can't last forever...if we are still shut down 6 months from now I will join the fight to open up...but at this current moment in time? no, we have not reached that yet.

Texas is already opening up SOME business this week...and other countries are reopening as well...so I do not foresee this being stretched out that long

[~primetime~]

The idea that heart attacks are down because of "stress" makes no sense whatsoever, considering "stress" is undoubtedly way up with - a biblical economic recession currently kicking off, 22m americans going on unemployment in the past month, children staying home all day rather than going to school, and huge levels of uncertainty about the economic future while society as we know it is collapsing.

IMO its far more likely that the number of heart attacks is going down for some other reason such as - people avoiding hospitals unless absolutely necessary, or heart attack deaths being re-classified as covid (heart disease and respiratory infections are highly correlated).

I don't think so, yet.

although unemployment is still extremely high...90% of the workforce is still employed

So what is happening for 90% of us is that we are now working out of our home offices in our pajamas...AND collecting an extra stimulus check on top of our unaffected salaries.


Also, unemployment pay is ridiculous right now...there is a decent chance that even if you were laid off you are now making MORE money from unemployment

[Nanners]

I don't think so, yet.

although unemployment is still extremely high...90% of the workforce is still employed

So what is happening for 90% of us is that we are now working out of our home offices in our pajamas...AND collecting an extra stimulus check on top of our unaffected salaries.


Also, unemployment pay is ridiculous right now...there is a decent chance that even if you were laid off you are now making MORE money from unemployment

How exactly is it possible for 90% of the workforce to be employed when ~20% of working americans are currently unemployed?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/16/unemployment-claims-coronavirus/

According to the fed, another 67 million americans are currently at high risk of layoff and this economic catastrophe could ultimately result in ~47m lost jobs for a total unemployment rate of 32% or more

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/coronavirus-job-losses-could-total-47-million-unemployment-rate-of-32percent-fed-says.html

[AirBonner]

How exactly is it possible for 90% of the workforce to be employed when ~20% of working americans are currently unemployed?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/16/unemployment-claims-coronavirus/

According to the fed, another 67 million americans are currently at high risk of layoff and this economic catastrophe could ultimately result in ~47m lost jobs for a total unemployment rate of 32% or more

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/coronavirus-job-losses-could-total-47-million-unemployment-rate-of-32percent-fed-says.html

Maybe he’s counting the Undocumented illegals that work :lol

[~primetime~]

22 mil out of 163 mil is 13.5%

we already had around 4% unemployment before this

[Nanners]

22 mil out of 163 mil is 13.5%

we already had around 4% unemployment before this

https://alexbick.weebly.com/uploads/1/0/1/3/101306056/bb_covid.pdf

Not only is unemployment around 20%, but 25% of those still employed saw their hours decrease, and 21% of the employed saw a decline in their earnings.

[AirBonner]

https://alexbick.weebly.com/uploads/1/0/1/3/101306056/bb_covid.pdf

Not only is unemployment around 20%, but 25% of those still employed saw their hours decrease, and 21% of the employed saw a decline in their earnings.
Yup it’s even happening in healthcare which is literally the most secure industry

[~primetime~]

they haven't released April yet, because we are still in it...

http://www.dlt.ri.gov/lmi/laus/us/usadj.htm

but March was 4.4% unemployment

even if April is 20%...that still means 80% of the workforce pajama home working it, and those unemployed are still collecting big unemployment checks

Heart attacks are down 40%, and I think the correlation is that most of us are now working at home relaxing rather than in a stressful office/traffic setting...and even the unemployed are collecting a big checks are relaxing at home.

[Doomsday Dallas]

The idea that heart attacks are down because of "stress" makes no sense whatsoever, considering "stress" is undoubtedly way up

Anti-anxiety medication prescriptions up 34% since coronavirus
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/health/anti-anxiety-medication-us-demand-coronavirus/index.html

[Nanners]

Sometimes I wish I could be as clueless and carefree as primetime... no doubt being so completely oblivious to the harsh realities of the world would be incredibly liberating, and undoubtedly help reduce my own risk of dying from heart attack

Anyway... I'll always love you prime, never change

[~primetime~]

Sometimes I wish I could be as clueless and carefree as primetime... no doubt being so completely oblivious to the harsh realities of the world would be incredibly liberating, and undoubtedly help reduce my own risk of dying from heart attack

Anyway... I'll always love you prime, never change

TRY THIS...instead of spending your time pointing fingers and throwing blame and focusing on "harsh realities" that are completely out of your control...try and figure out if you can make some money out of this situation and focus on that. There is positive and negative in everything...always better to focus on the positive and not live in fear.

[rawimpact]

I don't think so, yet.

although unemployment is still extremely high...90% of the workforce is still employed

So what is happening for 90% of us is that we are now working out of our home offices in our pajamas...AND collecting an extra stimulus check on top of our unaffected salaries.


Also, unemployment pay is ridiculous right now...there is a decent chance that even if you were laid off you are now making MORE money from unemployment

The importance of opening up right now is far more important in terms of how we rebound.

The businesses that employee those laid off or furloughed will not be around to rehire when they reopen if we wait too long. Trump is correct, they HAVE to open up but based on not economic impact, but by impact caused by COVID.

[Cleverness]

Experts: "Studies show millions will die from this virus, but we can reduce it to only 1.1 million deaths if we take action"

Govt: "Shutdown now"

Experts: "Looks like our predictions were way off, only ~60,000 will die"

Govt: "More draconian measures. Shut down those golf courses and parks, pay people to snitch on others, and enact unconstitutional laws to force the remaining 15% (who aren't taking precautions) to obey us."

Cuomo: "It will be worth it, even if it saves just one life, I'll be happy."

[~primetime~]

The importance of opening up right now is far more important in terms of how we rebound.

The businesses that employee those laid off or furloughed will not be around to rehire when they reopen if we wait too long. Trump is correct, they HAVE to open up but based on not economic impact, but by impact caused by COVID.

yeah, I said that if this were to go 6 months I'd join the fight to reopen.

The longer this goes the worse it gets...hell go long enough it would probably turn into a Mad Max movie...but currently right now? we're not dying of stress I don't think

[rawimpact]

yeah, I said that if this were to go 6 months I'd join the fight to reopen.

The longer this goes the worse it gets...hell go long enough it would probably turn into a Mad Max movie...but currently right now? we're not dying of stress I don't think

Do you think businesses can remain open after 6 months of no income? I mean c'mon, how is that remotely realistic.

[~primetime~]

Do you think businesses can remain open after 6 months of no income? I mean c'mon, how is that remotely realistic.

not without a ton of gov aid...no

Here in Texas our Governor is already opening SOME businesses...so the 6 month scenario isn't realistic I don't think

I think the ceiling is 3 monthish...but I bet it's less than that even

[Nanners]

TRY THIS...instead of spending your time pointing fingers and throwing blame and focusing on "harsh realities" that are completely out of your control...try and figure out if you can make some money out of this situation and focus on that. There is positive and negative in everything...always better to focus on the positive and not live in fear.

thanks for the tip, but this would never work for me

I might be a piece of shit... but im the type of shitty that calls people idiots on message boards, not the type of shitty that is looking for ways to make extra money in a time when tens of millions of my fellow americans are suffering

[~primetime~]

thanks for the tip, but this would never work for me

I might be a piece of shit... but im the type of shitty that calls people idiots on message boards, not the type of shitty that looks to make extra money in a time when millions of my fellow americans are suffering like this
Maybe if you made some extra money, you'd be better equipped to help them :confusedshrug:

[Nanners]

Do you think businesses can remain open after 6 months of no income? I mean c'mon, how is that remotely realistic.

Even if/when businesses can reopen, a lot of the potential customers wont have any money to spend anyway

[rawimpact]

Even if/when businesses can reopen, a lot of the potential customers wont have any money to spend anyway

Well there is no quick recovery but if they atleast have work and mortgage, utilities etc are backdated they at least have a better chance at getting back on their feet.

[bladefd]

I would respond to OP, but it would take up too much time and energy to do it. His mind is already made up so I don't have the energy to spend 1hr typing up a long refuting post. I am just drained trying to refute the conspiracy people thinking this just a bad cold and in actuality a vast global conspiracy by governments and leaders around the world to take all power away from people or a vast plot against Trump as if the whole world revolves around America..

Let the conspiracy spooks believe what they want. Nothing is going to change their minds. Even if a vaccine comes out in a year, they will have a new conspiracy ready to go on why the vaccine is another ploy to control people's brainwaves or to track people's movements like from 1984 or something nutty. Once you go down the conspiracy rabbit hole, it is difficult to get out. One conspiracy leads to another, which leads to another.

[Nanners]

I would respond to OP, but it would take up too much time and energy to do it. His mind is already made up so I don't have the energy to spend 1hr typing up a long refuting post. I am just drained trying to refute the conspiracy people thinking this just a bad cold and in actuality a vast global conspiracy by governments and leaders around the world to take all power away from people or a vast plot against Trump as if the whole world revolves around America..

Let the conspiracy spooks believe what they want. Nothing is going to change their minds. Even if a vaccine comes out in a year, they will have a new conspiracy ready to go on why the vaccine is another ploy to control people's brainwaves or to track people's movements like from 1984 or something nutty. Once you go down the conspiracy rabbit hole, it is difficult to get out. One conspiracy leads to another, which leads to another.
youre damn right my mind is made up.

in the future, perhaps it would be best if you just ignored all my posts entirely... i have been doing my best to ignore your posts for years (for the same reasons), so it seems like this could be mutually beneficial for us.

[bladefd]

Sounds good.

[~primetime~]

I would respond to OP, but it would take up too much time and energy to do it. His mind is already made up so I don't have the energy to spend 1hr typing up a long refuting post. I am just drained trying to refute the conspiracy people thinking this just a bad cold and in actuality a vast global conspiracy by governments and leaders around the world to take all power away from people or a vast plot against Trump as if the whole world revolves around America..

Let the conspiracy spooks believe what they want. Nothing is going to change their minds. Even if a vaccine comes out in a year, they will have a new conspiracy ready to go on why the vaccine is another ploy to control people's brainwaves or to track people's movements like from 1984 or something nutty. Once you go down the conspiracy rabbit hole, it is difficult to get out. One conspiracy leads to another, which leads to another.

yep it's like an addition...watching Loose Change is the gateway drug then 2 years later you're running around declaring that the Earth is flat and everyone is a lizard but you...and then you need conspiracy rehab

One thing I have pondered several times though, why are tin foil hatters almost ALWAYS male? I come across them all the time on social media...it is very rare to see a female conspiracy theorist. Somehow they are immune to this addiction. I mean I know there some out there, but I bet the ratio is like 30-1 male to female.

Maybe males are more likely to have been conspired against as young boys or something? I really want to know the underlying issue with this...

[Nanners]

how dare you assume my gender. HOW DARE YOU

[tpols]

these guys always extrapolate shit to stupid lengths when a fairly reasonable proposal is offered...

like our media and government using a crisis to their advantage and (measurably) overestimating and overreacting.

lizard people this tin foil that yada yada... this technique is what's known as a "strawman", constructing ridiculous arguments to attack instead of the one presented.

it's like a 5th grade debate tactic one step ahead of calling us poop heads.

[Cleverness]

1. millions of americans losing their jobs, businesses, way of life, future, liberties, etc is not a conspiracy

2. shutting down parks, golf courses, gyms, bike shops, farmers markets, etc is not a conspiracy

3. gov't paying people w/ your tax dollars to snitch, stimulus checks for illegal immigrants, bailouts for big corporations, expansion of gov't bureaucracy/power, congress giving money to themselves, etc. is not a conspiracy

4. WHO/gov't screwing up masks, testing, travel, etc is not a conspiracy

5. acting on expert predictions of millions of deaths from the virus, learning they were way off, and then enforcing stricter measures is not a conspiracy

[bladefd]

these guys always extrapolate shit to stupid lengths when a fairly reasonable proposal is offered...

like our media and government using a crisis to their advantage and (measurably) overestimating and overreacting.

lizard people this tin foil that yada yada... this technique is what's known as a "strawman", constructing ridiculous arguments to attack instead of the one presented.

it's like a 5th grade debate tactic one step ahead of calling us poop heads.

Me somewhere during end of-February: Covid-19 is not a joke. That stuff is extremely contagious and will swamp our hospitals, doctors, nurses and our economy will plummet. People are dying, let's forget about economy for now. We need physical distancing and do a lock down to limit spread and give us time. We need to ramp up testing.

Tpols in end of-February: No, it's just a bad cold. We are fine. Nothing is wrong. Nobody has died. It's a government conspiracy to scare you and media trying to cause chaos. Numbers are inflated and fake. Government clearly trying to take away power. Just a bad cold that impacts only old and sick people. BILL GATES IS IN ON IT. IT MIGHT BE A LAB-MADE BIOWEAPON BY CHINESE.

Keep trying to change the narrative, Dr Tpols :facepalm

[Hawker]

yep it's like an addition...watching Loose Change is the gateway drug then 2 years later you're running around declaring that the Earth is flat and everyone is a lizard but you...and then you need conspiracy rehab

One thing I have pondered several times though, why are tin foil hatters almost ALWAYS male? I come across them all the time on social media...it is very rare to see a female conspiracy theorist. Somehow they are immune to this addiction. I mean I know there some out there, but I bet the ratio is like 30-1 male to female.

Maybe males are more likely to have been conspired against as young boys or something? I really want to know the underlying issue with this...

Questioning narratives and experts is not the same thing as being a conspiracy theorist.

Manny is probably in the conspiracy theory territory. Zenmaster, Long Duck Dong, Nanners, tpols are not in that category. They are questioning the numberse, the narrative, the experts etc. Some of the results are suspicious and the public is right to ask. It's not spreading misinformation. It's called not being an obedient sheep.

The government overreaching and issuing arbitrary social distancing fines is a serious concern. And it's a serious concern whether or not the government will pull back once this all subsides.

[~primetime~]

Questioning narratives and experts is not the same thing as being a conspiracy theorist.

Manny is probably in the conspiracy theory territory. Zenmaster, Long Duck Dong, Nanners, tpols are not in that category. They are questioning the numberse, the narrative, the experts etc. Some of the results are suspicious and the public is right to ask. It's not spreading misinformation. It's called not being an obedient sheep.

The government overreaching and issuing arbitrary social distancing fines is a serious concern. And it's a serious concern whether or not the government will pull back once this all subsides.

okay, I didn't say anything about any poster...I was wondering why the conspiracy crowd is male dominated

[tpols]

women are more likely to be drawn into the emotional argument the media (intentionally) makes in its highlights and stories, instead of looking at the facts from a logical perspective.

[coin24]

Make sure you all download the Corona App so the government can track you 24/7.. for your safety of course :lol

[rawimpact]

Make sure you all download the Corona App so the government can track you 24/7.. for your safety of course :lol

Google and apple does it anyways - how do you think they know traffic numbers or how busy a store is at certain hours?

[bigkingsfan]

Google and apple does it anyways - how do you think they know traffic numbers or how busy a store is at certain hours?
Shh you're spreading conspiracies.

[DoctorP]

michal jacksons is an alienz

[coin24]

Google and apple does it anyways - how do you think they know traffic numbers or how busy a store is at certain hours?

Trumps fault obviously


And you'd be surprised how many morons don't know their phone is tracking everything. The cops can see everything you do on it, leave it at home if you're up to no good:oldlol:

[Stephonit]

these guys always extrapolate shit to stupid lengths when a fairly reasonable proposal is offered...

like our media and government using a crisis to their advantage and (measurably) overestimating and overreacting.

lizard people this tin foil that yada yada... this technique is what's known as a "strawman", constructing ridiculous arguments to attack instead of the one presented.

it's like a 5th grade debate tactic one step ahead of calling us poop heads.

And then people predictably go overboard in decrying tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists when yes the evidence lines up to show that there is indeed something wildly out of whack going on:

Massive surreptitious collection of internet data. (e.g. targeted advertising)
Massive surreptitious collection of location data. (e.g. stingrays)
Companies compelled to cooperate and silenced unable to even to publicly mention what's going on. (e.g. national security letters)
People being prosecuted for carrying cash and having that money stolen from them. (e.g. civil asset forfeiture)
Media "news" that's actually propaganda as bad as in any totalitarian state that actively lies to promote certain politicians and policies. (e.g. Hillary is inevitable)
The perpetuation and promotion of medical practices that are harmful and a medical establishment that is not called to account for its grievous mistakes. (e.g. dietary advice)
A manipulated economy and the promotion of false narratives to keep people ignorant of what really drives the markets and policy choices. (e.g. fake debt alarmism)

Even with all this garbage revealed and blatantly happening in front of everyone you still have credulous lemmings going on about "tin foil hats" and "conspiracy theorists". And they wonder why Trump even with all his faults might still appear to be the lesser of evils to some people.

[warriorfan]

okay, I didn't say anything about any poster...I was wondering why the conspiracy crowd is male dominated

Women like to feel safe and some of those ideas undermine their sense of security so they don’t let thoughts even go there.

[Hawker]

Women like to feel safe and some of those ideas undermine their sense of security so they don’t let thoughts even go there.

That and probably guys don't bring up these conversations with girls very often...can't let the possibility of them thinking you're weird so you don't get that ().

[DoctorP]

https://i.ibb.co/w42J6Fr/93389302-10222517992923677-2431279637922316288-n.jpg (https://ibb.co/TtNKhxq)

[hateraid]

This is the one rule that nips my ass.

1- Stay the **** home...unless you want to go outside

All these #staythe****home covidiots like to damn people, but then post pictures of their family walks in the park. Falking annoying

[Manny98]

Blade and Primetime literally begging the government to take their freedom & rights away :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

That and probably guys don't bring up these conversations with girls very often...can't let the possibility of them thinking you're weird so you don't get that ().

Haha. Guys are smart, we will tell them what they want to hear. That is a big part of the reason women are clueless about a lot of things. They live in an alternate state of reality, an echo chamber that only plays what they want to hear....and the reality is it’s our fault. But hey...what are you gonna do? We just want a little ***** and not argue about everything. :lol

[SwayDizzle]

Haha. Guys are smart, we will tell them what they want to hear. That is a big part of the reason women are clueless about a lot of things. They live in an alternate state of reality, an echo chamber that only plays what they want to hear....and the reality is it’s our fault. But hey...what are you gonna do? We just want a little ***** and not argue about everything. :lol
Looool

[Jasper]

Anyway, while we are all cowering-in-place to protect the ~60k old/sick people currently projected to die from this particular strain of the common cold, lets continue to do absolutely nothing to address preventable deaths like the ~400k americans killed by cigarettes every year, the ~100k americans who die from obesity related issues, the 85k who die due to alcohol, 70k americans who die because they could not afford healthcare, the ~55k americans who commit suicide, the ~65k americans who die from opiate overdoses... etc

excellent points however I would never open up our economy not to save lives ... no one knows who is a carrier , unless we test the whole ****in world

[hateraid]

okay, I didn't say anything about any poster...I was wondering why the conspiracy crowd is male dominated

It's because men can critically think. Some may be outlandish, some spot on. But we can piece together information and come up with a conclusion
Women have a tendancy to follow mass media and utilize it to self promote. They don't think for themselves and use whatever information to boost their own egos.

[~primetime~]

Yeah I'm not with the idea that following alt-conspiracy Alex Jones-esque type media rather than mainstream media means you're thinking for yourself and the others are sheep. Both groups are buying into a story that was thrown at them.

Women have access to Alex Jones, National Enquirer tabloid media. Women know Flat Earthers are a thing. They've heard of the Illuminate. They could "sheepishly" join those lines of thinking if they wanted to, but for whatever reason they have zero interest in that alt-universe.

I don't think women are smarter than men...not as adults anyway. They might be more mature as teenagers. It's something else... and honestly I have no idea, Ive wondered about this several times. I feel like it might be a difference in the way we grow up, how society treats us.

[hateraid]

Yeah I'm not with the idea that following alt-conspiracy Alex Jones-esque type media rather than mainstream media means you're thinking for yourself and the others are sheep. Both groups are buying into a story that was thrown at them.

Women have access to Alex Jones, National Enquirer tabloid media. Women know Flat Earthers are a thing. They've heard of the Illuminate. They could "sheepishly" join those lines of thinking if they wanted to, but for whatever reason they have zero interest in that alt-universe.

I don't think women are smarter than men...not as adults anyway. They might be more mature as teenagers. It's something else... and honestly I have no idea, Ive wondered about this several times. I feel like it might be a difference in the way we grow up, how society treats us.


They both have access sure. What I said was women are more subject to mainstream media IE Facebook, IG...and utilize flavor of the day to boost there personal feeds. Why do you think you see women with #Stayhome hashtags but yet use a personal pic with a booty shot? They like attention and use any platform to attract more of it

OTOH men like to read and gain knowledge to show intellectual superiority. We want to understand those ideas that peak our minds. Then present it in a way to welcome challenge.

[MaxFly]

Experts: "Studies show millions will die from this virus, but we can reduce it to only 1.1 million deaths if we take action"

Govt: "Shutdown now"

Experts: "Looks like our predictions were way off, only ~60,000 will die"

Govt: "More draconian measures. Shut down those golf courses and parks, pay people to snitch on others, and enact unconstitutional laws to force the remaining 15% (who aren't taking precautions) to obey us."

Cuomo: "It will be worth it, even if it saves just one life, I'll be happy."

We should remember that there were several projections as to how many in the US and around the world would be infected with this novel coronavirus, and how many in the US and around the world would die as a result. Most scientists couched their projections with words of caution noting how difficult it is to model viral outbreaks in the early days and how a number of variables, both known and unknown, result in projections with wide ranges.


Some of the projections for covid-19’s spread in the United States have been grave. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/coronavirus-forecasts-are-grim-its-going-to-get-worse/2020/03/11/2a177e0a-63b4-11ea-acca-80c22bbee96f_story.html) A forecast produced last month by Professor James Lawler of the University of Nebraska Medical Center on behalf of the American Hospital Association, for example, put the potential death toll at hundreds of thousands if efforts to mitigate the epidemic fail.

Another forecast, developed by former CDC director Tom Frieden at the nonprofit organization Resolve to Save Lives, found that deaths in the United States could range widely, depending on what percentage of the population becomes infected and how lethal the disease proves to be. Frieden, who oversaw the U.S. response to the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic, the 2014 Ebola epidemic and the 2016 Zika epidemic, says that in a worst-case scenario, but one that is not implausible, half the U.S. population would become infected and more than 1 million people would die.

His team put together a simple table that looks at various scenarios using case fatality ratios ranging from .1, similar to seasonal flu, to .5, a moderately severe pandemic, and 1.0, a severe one. The infection rate ranged from 0.1 percent of the population to 50 percent. That put the range of deaths at 327 (best case) to 1,635,000 (worst case). The deaths would not necessarily happen over a month or a year, but could occur over two or three years, he said.

U.S. officials have said they are working with 50 academic modeling groups around the country. But so far, no projections of the outbreak’s trajectory have been publicly released by the CDC or the White House coronavirus task force. Still, Frieden said, “anyone who says that they know where this is going with confidence doesn’t know enough about it.”

As for draconian measures, I'd agree that governments should be careful not to overstep and should be balanced in their response to the health and economic concerns we're facing. However, from a practical standpoint, without some of the extreme measures local and state governments have taken, we'd currently be seeing a similar economic impact and forecast, but with a lot more deaths. If anyone thinks that restaurants and bars would remain open and profitable as this thing ran through the population unchecked, I'd love to hear that reasoning.

[coin24]

So with 6000 cases here and 60 deaths (old farts) out of around 26 million people, (obviously ten times deadlier than the flu bro) the idiot government is talking about mandatory download of the corona tracking app and you must have your phone on you at all times..

[Hittin_Shots]

So with 6000 cases here and 60 deaths (old farts) out of around 26 million people, (obviously ten times deadlier than the flu bro) the idiot government is talking about mandatory download of the corona tracking app and you must have your phone on you at all times..

Good luck to them enforcing that shit..

[coin24]

Good luck to them enforcing that shit..

I'm sure when the police pull people up and ask why they're outside they'll ask to see the app and it'll be another fine on top:oldlol:

[tpols]

Good luck to them enforcing that shit..

are you now getting how far this overreach is and what it could mean going forward?

[coin24]

are you now getting how far this overreach is and what it could mean going forward?

These blind sheep still can't see it:oldlol:

[tpols]

These blind sheep still can't see it:oldlol:

But lizard people, and tin foils, and less car accidents.

[Stephonit]

I'm sure when the police pull people up and ask why they're outside they'll ask to see the app and it'll be another fine on top:oldlol:

"But I don't own a smart phone!"