Cavs lost 4th quarter leads in Games 1-4 of the 2009 ECF

[3ball]

That's why they lost as the massive favorite - 4th quarter decline

Of course, the stats show it's Lebron's fault.

In the 4th, Lebron averaged 8.8 points on 46%, but that's a drop-off from his first 3 quarters averages of 9.9 points on 53%..

Games 1, 2, and 4 were 1-point games or OT games.

The stats also show that Lebron took less jumpers in the 4th and his jumpshot efficiency cratered, so the Magic could sag off more and pack the paint.. Furthermore, his assist percentage increased a lot in the 4th, so he started dominating the ball more and getting away from the more equitable distribution of assists that had worked the first 3 quarters.

[Uncle Drew]

1-9

[red1]

pippen's bulls?


50+ win team without mike.


stacked team.

[John Connor]

That's why they lost as the massive favorite

:lol

[nayte]

Well facts are facts if it is indeed true . The stans will deflect like above

[SouBeachTalents]

This nikka lives to make LeBron threads lol, this was probably the first thing he did when he woke up this morning

But of course, not surprisingly, he's lying as usual. Cavs never had the lead in the 4th in Game 3

[3ball]

:lol

Out of the 459 series played since 1988, exactly 100 were betting upsets, with only 7 of those 100 being upsets of +500 or more.

The 2009 ECF was one of those top 7, with the Cavs being -550 favorites

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/biggest-nba-playoff-upsets-betting-odds-basketball-history


So it's literally one of the top 7 upsets ever

[red1]

3ball is right that it was an upset - because lebron overachieved and pulled off the miracle of carrying that shitty cast to 66 wins.


mo williams and delonte the best guards or wings on the team.


frontcourt of retirement-mode ilgauskas and andy varejao.


66 wins. because of this guy. the greatest of all-time at carrying shitty casts.

https://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/media/cavaliers/lbj_mvp_page_090504_300.jpg
https://www.nba.com/cavaliers/features/lbj2009mvp.html

[red1]

This nikka lives to make LeBron threads lol, this was probably the first thing he did when he woke up this morning

But of course, not surprisingly, he's lying as usual. Cavs never had the lead in the 4th in Game 3

that ace ventura gif was accurate. he washes his face exactly like that and then goes right over to his dirty keyboard. :oldlol:

[3ball]

3ball is right that it was an upset - because lebron overachieved and pulled off the miracle of carrying that shitty cast to 66 wins.


mo williams and delonte the best guards or wings on the team.


frontcourt of retirement-mode ilgauskas and andy varejao.


66 wins. because of this guy. the greatest of all-time at carrying shitty casts.

https://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/media/cavaliers/lbj_mvp_page_090504_300.jpg
https://www.nba.com/cavaliers/features/lbj2009mvp.html
His cast wasn't shitty compared to anyone else in the conference

Dwight's cast was equally-weak, which is why they were a massive dog

And why didn't they win 66 in 08'?.. what was the difference?

[red1]

His cast wasn't shitty compared to anyone else in the conference

Dwight's cast was equally-weak, which is why they were a massive dog

you already admit that you didnt watch the series - did you or did I just make that up?


FYI a stacked team is a team that is capable of winning 50+ games without their first option.


that means there is probably some great leadership from whoever is running the show as the captain of the team during that time.

[3ball]

you already admit that you didnt watch the series - did you or did I just make that up?


FYI a stacked team is a team that is capable of winning 50+ games without their first option.


that means there is probably some great leadership from whoever is running the show as the captain of the team during that time.
why didn't they win 66 in 08'?.. what was the difference in 09'

[tpols]

look at the expert picks.

espn link (http://www.espn.com/nba/playoffs/2009/matchup/_/teams/magic-cavaliers)

EVERY single expert picked Cleveland to win.

[ShawkFactory]

why didn't they win 66 in 08'?.. what was the difference in 09'

Lebrons jump shot and 4th quarter play massively improved.

Despite less PPG it’s clear that defenses had to be more on their toes.

Plus he learned to close games effectively

[warriorfan]

Out of the 459 series played since 1988, exactly 100 were betting upsets, with only 7 of those 100 being upsets of +500 or more.

The 2009 ECF was one of those top 7, with the Cavs being -550 favorites

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/biggest-nba-playoff-upsets-betting-odds-basketball-history


So it's literally one of the top 7 upsets ever

That sounds about right.

[deathawaitu]

3ball is right that it was an upset - because lebron overachieved and pulled off the miracle of carrying that shitty cast to 66 wins.


mo williams and delonte the best guards or wings on the team.


frontcourt of retirement-mode ilgauskas and andy varejao.


66 wins. because of this guy. the greatest of all-time at carrying shitty casts.

https://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/media/cavaliers/lbj_mvp_page_090504_300.jpg
https://www.nba.com/cavaliers/features/lbj2009mvp.html

How did that worked out for Lebron once he went to the West? That's right no playoff for 2 years and counting

Not hard to carry a Top 5 defensive team in the NBA at that time, especially if you are playing in the weak East

Sit down kid and keep giving your hero BJ all day long, know your place in life son

[SouBeachTalents]

How did that worked out for Lebron once he went to the West? That's right no playoff for 2 years and counting

Not hard to carry a Top 5 defensive team in the NBA at that time, especially if you are playing in the weak East

Sit down kid and keep giving your hero BJ all day long, know your place in life son
The Lakers clinched a playoff spot this year

[Rysio]

LeBron kinda choked it was a winnable series and magics strategy was letting LeBron get his and shut down the rest which makes it even worse.

[Turbo Slayer]

LeBron kinda choked it was a winnable series and magics strategy was letting LeBron get his and shut down the rest which makes it even worse.


kinda choked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkvTLOhm-TQ

Define choking...

watch 5:35


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o4JDxQ0IE8

[SouBeachTalents]

Don't forget


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziF3AWpYE0Y

[Akeem34TheDream]

Hedo was so clutch that year. Lewis was great too.

[3ball]

Don't forget


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziF3AWpYE0Y








Game 4 OT

Dwight... 4-4
Lebron... 2-6


Clutch Stats 2009 ECF - last 3 minutes, within 5 points

Lebron (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&year_id=2009&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&opp_id=ORL&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=3&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&player_id=jamesle01&order_by=date_game).... 36.3% (4-11)
Mo Will (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&year_id=2009&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&opp_id=ORL&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=3&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&player_id=willima01&order_by=date_game)... 40.0% (2-5)


^^^ Lebron does a poor job of getting teammates looks in the clutch.. he "elevates" teammates but just not in the clutch lol

[Axe]

But come to think of it, 66 wins ain't even half bad at all. It's still a franchise record for the cavs 11 years later.

However, it's going to be treated similarly to the 73-win season of the dubs 4 years ago, since needless to say, it is without a ring. But in the case of the cavs, in a very less prominent manner ofc.

Too bad all the homecourt advantage in the postseason had to be wasted in their respective losses tho.

[STATUTORY]

Cavaliers were massive favorites heading into the series. litearlly every pundit on ESPN picked them

it was embarrassing and entirely lebron's fault

[red1]

Hedo was so clutch that year. Lewis was great too.

they're lucky dude. its probably the only time in their NBA career where they were ever guarded by such midgets or slow players in their life. probably felt like rec league shooting over those scrubs.