Greatest rebounder of the 3pt era?

[AussieSteve]

Of all players who have played at least 100 playoff games, here are the top 5 in offensive, defensive and total rebounds per game in the playoffs, in the 3pt era.

Offensive
1. Charles Barkley - 4.1
2. Shaquille O'Neal - 4.0
3. Dennis Rodman - 3.7
4. Ben Wallace - 3.6
5. Charles Oakley - 3.6

Defensive
1. Charles Barkley - 8.7
2. Kevin Garnett - 8.5
3. Dirk Nowitzki - 8.5
4. Tim Duncan - 8.3
5. Karl Malone - 8.1

Total
1. Charles Barkley - 12.9
2. Shaquille O'Neal - 11.6
3. Tim Duncan - 11.4
4. Hakeem Olajuwan - 11.2
5. Ben Wallace - 11.2

Not only is Barkley #1 on both ends, he's the only guy to be on both lists at all. And is miles ahead of Shaq at #2 in total boards per playoff game.

Incredible for a guy who was 6'5.

[SouBeachTalents]

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lBC_Yv0M1e8/UtHC5qxmmSI/AAAAAAAACCg/qcRPsFtTLxs/s1600/dennis-rodman.jpg

[AussieSteve]

I'm a stickler for detail. Order in OP was wrong

Offensive
1. Charles Barkley - 4.15
2. Shaquille O'Neal - 4.01
3. Dennis Rodman - 3.70
4. Charles Oakley - 3.60
5. Ben Wallace - 3.56


Defensive
1. Charles Barkley - 8.72
2. Dirk Nowitzki - 8.51
3. Kevin Garnett - 8.49
4. Tim Duncan - 8.29
5. Karl Malone - 8.08

[AussieSteve]

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lBC_Yv0M1e8/UtHC5qxmmSI/AAAAAAAACCg/qcRPsFtTLxs/s1600/dennis-rodman.jpg

Yeah. He's an obvious choice. But he had zero responsibility on the offensive end. I think that there a other players who could have grabbed as many or more rebounds as Rodman if they weren't also trying to score and make plays. Barkley is one of those players.

[Round Mound]

Rodman is the best technical rebounder but he was one dimensional. Barkley's game was all over the court in his prime.

6'4 5/8 ft according to olympic measure,

[AussieSteve]

Rodman is the best technical rebounder but he was one dimensional. Barkley's game was all over the court in his prime.

6'4 5/8 ft according to olympic measure,


I don't know if you can say definitively that Rodman was the best. The numbers in OP show that over his playoff career Barkley averaged the most on both ends of the floor. And then there's also this...

Most 20+ rebound games in the playoffs in the 3pt era

1. Charles Barkley - 16 (1 per 7.7 games)
1. Shaquille O'Neal - 16 (1 per 13.5 games)
3. Tim Duncan - 13 (1 per 19 .3 games)
4. Ben Wallace - 12 (1 per 10.8 games)
5. Dwight Howard - 10 (1 per 9.5 games)
6. Dennis Rodman - 8 (1 per 21.1 games)

Barkley was by far the most prolific rebounder in the playoffs since the advent of the 3pt line.

[Whoah10115]

I think Rodman was a bit minimized in the playoffs, which could be an argument against his HOF induction. I do think he had the technique and the energy that went beyond numbers.

By the same token, Barkley was a lot like Love under the basket, tho obviously more athletic. His impact went beyond numbers. Pretty remarkable given his offensive game. And offensively, he drew a ton of attention with or without the ball, so to grab that many boards on that end.

Remarkable.

[LeCroix]

Sir Charles wins again. Studly rebounder for any size just dont look at his 3p%

[LeCroix]

And what about trb% because career rankings has Drummond is #1 (becauae he has not played past his peak) but Rodman is #2 all time and Dennis has 5 of the top 10 best single seasons including #1

Barkely is not even on top 20 list.

[Whoah10115]

And what about trb% because career rankings has Drummond is #1 (becauae he has not played past his peak) but Rodman is #2 all time and Dennis has 5 of the top 10 best single seasons including #1

Barkely is not even on top 20 list.

I think you're missing the point about playoffs.

Or is it just me?

[FromDowntown]

I think you're missing the point about playoffs.

Or is it just me?

I just looked it up, Rodman has him beat in the playoffs too :lol

Howard is #1 at 21.84%
Rodman is #3 at 20.50%
Barkely is #7 at 18.86%

Howard will fall if he makes another playoffs as his career numbers will dip over the years

linkage https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/trb_pct_career_p.html

[bison]

Barkley was a Rodman but with a massive offensive game as well. Having no rings is really keeping Barkley out of these ATG discussions. It’s frustrating but fair.

[Round Mound]

Sir Charles wins again. Studly rebounder for any size just dont look at his 3p%

But check out his 2-Point FG% and amounts of points scored through 2-Pointers.

Season Career: 21.6 PPG on 58.13% Two-Point FG% and taking 12.9 Two-Point FGAs PG
Play-off Career: 22.5 PPG on 55.13% Two-Point FG% and taking 14.5 Two-Point FGAs PG

Right up there with Shaq, Kareem, Wilt, Gilmore and McHale. Except Barkley was 5 1/2 to 9 inches smaller.

:bowdown:

[Whoah10115]

I just looked it up, Rodman has him beat in the playoffs too :lol

Howard is #1 at 21.84%
Rodman is #3 at 20.50%
Barkely is #7 at 18.86%

Howard will fall if he makes another playoffs as his career numbers will dip over the years

linkage https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/trb_pct_career_p.html

Rodman plays under 29mpg.

[RRR3]

Inb4 3ball says MJ

[FromDowntown]

Rodman plays under 29mpg.

Cute attempt but I gotcha bb

Of course Barkely is the MUCH MUCH better scorer, but Rodman was the better rebounder. He is the goat rebounder.

[fsvr54]

Might not be top 5 on any list, but Reggie Evans has to be the most underrated rebounder of all time. Dude lasted in the league just for his rebounding skill.

[Round Mound]

Barkley and Rodman are the GOAT Rebounders Relative to Size.

Barkley at 6'4 and 5/8 ft
Dennis at 6´7 ft

[Lebron23]

Barkley and Rodman are the GOAT Rebounders Relative to Size.

Barkley at 6'4 and 5/8 ft
Dennis at 6´7 ft

Rodman is 6'6"

[Round Mound]

Rodman is 6'6"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1l6CK0xBK4

He might be almost 6´7 ft or 6´6 3/4 ft around 1.99 mt. If you see him next to Charles he is atleast 2 and 1/2 inches taller. Barkley wound not be taller than 1.95 mt. The increidible thing about Rodman is that he wasn't as stocky as Charles. Rodman weighed around 225 lbs while Barkley was around 250-260 lbs

[1987_Lakers]

Drummond is on his way to become the most underrated rebounder ever. Nobody ever mentions his name despite him dominating the boards. Has averaged 15 rebounds per game in his last 5 years. In that same time he has a 25.5 TRB% which is all time great. An elite rebounder is usually at 20%, but he is 5 percent higher than that.

For comparison sake Rodman only had one season where he had a TRB% above 25. Barkley's career high was 22.2%.

[iamgine]

Moses Malone should be #1.

[FromDowntown]

Drummond is on his way to become the most underrated rebounder ever. Nobody ever mentions his name despite him dominating the boards. Has averaged 15 rebounds per game in his last 5 years. In that same time he has a 25.5 TRB% which is all time great. An elite rebounder is usually at 20%, but he is 5 percent higher than that.

For comparison sake Rodman only had one season where he had a TRB% above 25. Barkley's career high was 22.2%.

Amen

[Whoah10115]

Might not be top 5 on any list, but Reggie Evans has to be the most underrated rebounder of all time. Dude lasted in the league just for his rebounding skill.

Terrific call.

[SpaceJam]

Ridiculous Ben Wallace isn't in the HoF yet

[Round Mound]

Ridiculous Ben Wallace isn't in the HoF yet

Agree. I did not get to see much of him play (i stopped watching the NBA from 99 to 2008) but from his numbers he got alot of rebounds and he was like 6´7 ft to they say. He also was a great shot blocker for his size. And won a championship etc he should be in the HOF.

[AussieSteve]

Moses Malone should be #1.


Fair call

In the 3pt era, he played less than 100 playoff games. If we relax the games played restriction to 50, then the top 5 are

Offensive
1. Moses
2. Barkley
3. Dwight
4. Shaq
5. Joakim Noah

Defensive
1. Dwight
2. Barkley
3. Dirk
4. Garnett
5. Duncan

Total
1. Dwight
2. Moses
3. Barkley
4. Shaq
5. Duncan

Chuck still top 2 on both ends.

Interesting how the second greatest offensive rebounder of the last 40 years as the apprentice of the greatest. ie. Barkley and Moses.

[FireDavidKahn]

Ridiculous Ben Wallace isn't in the HoF yet

It's a travesty. Easily a top 10 defensive impact player of all time.

[warriorfan]

Barkley stans: But Dennis didn’t have any offensive responsibilities!

Everyone else: Well what about Barkley’s defensive responsibilities?

*crickets chirping*

[Turbo Slayer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SymKZBWJtgU

[Round Mound]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SymKZBWJtgU

You are trying to make it as if Rodman owned Barkley. Rodman had some success against Houston Crippled Barkley but not with the Suns or Sixers,

This is What Barkley and Rodman Averaged Against Each Other including the Old Crippled and 2nd and 3rd option Houston Barkley:

Barkley: 23.7 PPG on 53.3% FG on 16.3 FGAs PG, 13.0 RPG, 3.7 APG, 0.8 SPG, 0.7 BPG and 3.1 Personal Fouls Per Game per 39.6 MPG
Rodman: 7.6 PPG on 54.3% FG on 6.2 FGAs PG, 11.7 RPG, 1.9 APG, 0.6 SPG, 0.9 BPG and 3.8 Personal Fouls Per Game per 31.9 MPG

[AussieSteve]

Barkley stans: But Dennis didn’t have any offensive responsibilities!

Everyone else: Well what about Barkley’s defensive responsibilities?

*crickets chirping*

No doubt that Rodman was an elite defender and Barkley an average one, but you talk like Barkley was just standing around on D conserving energy. Not only is this not true in the slightest, but it is pretty much exactly what Rodman was doing on offense until a shot went up, at which point he would fight for the board if it missed.

In the playoffs in particular, Barkey was an impactful defender. He averaged way more blocks than Rodman (0.88 vs 0.57), way more steals (1.57 vs 0.63) and fewer fouls (3.32 vs 3.73).

Was Barkley slow to get back at times? Sure. Was he a bit slow laterally when guarding on the perimeter? Yep. Was he a little undersized to protect the rim like the great defensive PFs? Yes. Was he hanging around on D conserving energy? Absolutely not.

Rodman offered basically nothing offensively.

[72-10]

very incredible to see Rodman not showing up for the playoffs

Dwight does this a bit, too

recurring pattern of regular season beasts running out of energy by postseason time

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

It definitely isn't Dwight

[Manny98]

Rodman easily

[RRR3]

very incredible to see Rodman not showing up for the playoffs

Dwight does this a bit, too

recurring pattern of regular season beasts running out of energy by postseason time
Lol what Dwight has been great in the playoffs for the most part.

[AussieSteve]

Rodman easily

Except in the playoffs, where Barkley averaged more offensive rebounds and more defensive rebounds at his peak and over his career.

[aceman]

Rodman is the best technical rebounder but he was one dimensional. Barkley's game was all over the court in his prime.

6'4 5/8 ft according to olympic measure,

Who was better on defensive end?

[aceman]

No doubt that Rodman was an elite defender and Barkley an average one, but you talk like Barkley was just standing around on D conserving energy. Not only is this not true in the slightest, but it is pretty much exactly what Rodman was doing on offense until a shot went up, at which point he would fight for the board if it missed.

In the playoffs in particular, Barkey was an impactful defender. He averaged way more blocks than Rodman (0.88 vs 0.57), way more steals (1.57 vs 0.63) and fewer fouls (3.32 vs 3.73).

Was Barkley slow to get back at times? Sure. Was he a bit slow laterally when guarding on the perimeter? Yep. Was he a little undersized to protect the rim like the great defensive PFs? Yes. Was he hanging around on D conserving energy? Absolutely not.

Rodman offered basically nothing offensively.

Record number of offensive rebounds in finals vs sonics nothing?

[AussieSteve]

Record number of offensive rebounds in finals vs sonics nothing?

Aside from rebounding. He obviously was a GOAT tier rebounder. As was Barkley... which is the point of this thread.

[nayte]

Barkley was the better player all round but in this thread it had to be Rodman

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

Just imagine if Barkley was 3-4 inches taller,better yet if he just played in today's NBA.Draymond would have no choice but shut his big fat mouth.

[Round Mound]

Who was better on defensive end?

Rodman but Barkley could play pretty good help and team defense when focused. Chuck has the highest Steal Per Game Average for the Powerforward spot. And he was also a better shotblocker than Rodman.

[Round Mound]

Just imagine if Barkley was 3-4 inches taller,better yet if he just played in today's NBA.Draymond would have no choice but shut his big fat mouth.

Green has no chance against Barkley as a Player or Fighter. Barkley fought anyone smaller or bigger than him and he usually made his point. Nobody messed with prime and peak Chuck.

[AussieSteve]

Barkley was the better player all round but in this thread it had to be Rodman

I'll just leave these playoff stats here

% of games with 10+ boards

Barkley 76.4%

Hakeem - 68.3%
Duncan - 67.3%
Shaq - 66.2%
Garnett - 63.6%
Wallace - 61.5%

Rodman - 49.1%


% of games with 15+ boards

Barkley - 30.1%

Wallace - 26.9%
Shaq - 25.5%
Duncan - 22.3%
Rodman - 19.5%
Hakeem - 19.3%
Garnett - 15.4%


% of games with 20+ boards

Barkley - 13.0%

Wallace - 9.2%
Shaq - 7.4%
Duncan - 5.2%
Rodman - 4.7%
Garnett - 4.2%
Hakeem - 2.1%

[Round Mound]

I'll just leave these playoff stats here

% of games with 10+ boards

Barkley 76.4%

Hakeem - 68.3%
Duncan - 67.3%
Shaq - 66.2%
Garnett - 63.6%
Wallace - 61.5%

Rodman - 49.1%


% of games with 15+ boards

Barkley - 30.1%

Wallace - 26.9%
Shaq - 25.5%
Duncan - 22.3%
Rodman - 19.5%
Hakeem - 19.3%
Garnett - 15.4%


% of games with 20+ boards

Barkley - 13.0%

Wallace - 9.2%
Shaq - 7.4%
Duncan - 5.2%
Rodman - 4.7%
Garnett - 4.2%
Hakeem - 2.1%

:bowdown:

[RogueBorg]

Interesting how the second greatest offensive rebounder of the last 40 years as the apprentice of the greatest. ie. Barkley and Moses.

Moses also mentored Olajuwon way back when.

[72-10]

Barkley's wider body is a physical trait that he has in his pocket, although I think Rodman has longer arms and softer hands, better, more innate timing and studied the art of rebounding more than Barkley did. I think Rodman put more effort into rebounding.

[Round Mound]

Barkley's wider body is a physical trait that he has in his pocket, although I think Rodman has longer arms and softer hands, better, more innate timing and studied the art of rebounding more than Barkley did. I think Rodman put more effort into rebounding.

This yet Barkley's play-off rebounding was insanely good for a player his size. Rodman was taller, longer wingspam and bigger hands but weighed less than Chuck. Rodman was the most technical rebounder i've ever seen and he could guard 1-5 in his peak. Barkley was an offfensive beast who could rebound like Rodman but score in Shaq-like efficiency near the paint and was easily the best ballhandling and passing PF ever (sometimes he looked like a Point-Powerforward out there). He also had a good long two shot later in his career. Barkley and Rodman where the best rebounders ever relative to size and weight.

[Turbo Slayer]

This yet Barkley's play-off rebounding was insanely good for a player his size. Rodman was taller, longer, higher winspam and bigger hands but weighed less than Chuck. Rodman was the most technical rebounder i've ever seen and he could guard 1-5 in his peak. Barkley was an offfensive beast who could rebound like Rodman but score in Shaq-like efficiency near the paint and was easily the best ballhandling and passing PF ever (sometimes he looked like a Point-Powerforward out there). He also had a good long two shot later in his career. Barkley and Rodman where the best rebounders ever relative to size and weight. I have a question. I'm obviously a younger fan of the NBA and I would like to get to know more about the 90s era. Some questions.

Was Barkley ever considered to be a top 5 player throughout his era?

What was his strengths?

His weaknesses?

Was there any drama surrounding Barkley in the 90s?

Thats all the questions. Thanks!

[Round Mound]

I have a question. I'm obviously a younger fan of the NBA and I would like to get to know more about the 90s era. Some questions.

Was Barkley ever considered to be a top 5 player throughout his era?

He was always considered a top 6 player in the mid to late 80s (Jordan, Bird, Magic, Hakeem and Isiah the best) from 85 to 89.

From 1989 to 1993 he was considered the 2nd best player in the game (as Magic declined and still had the better team after Kareem left and Bird's injuries caught up to him).

He was robbed from the 1989-90 MVP to Magic (who as i said still had better players around him defensively and offensively) while having more 1st place votes but no other votes for the rest of the spots in the MVP race. I suggest you watch Barkley games from the 89-90 Season he was even better than his MVP sean in 92-93.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiNvY93EmWc

Minute 2:44 " For the majority the 2nd best player in the game after MJ" (Italian TV)

What was his strengths?

The strongest 6´4 and 5/8 ft (1.95 mt) player of all time
The most efficient scoring PF-SF (and 2nd most skilled after McHale)
The 2nd best rebounder after Rodman in the game
The best ballhandling PF ever
The best post passing PF ever
The best coast to coast finisher in the game
etc

He weighed 290-300 lbs in college and had a 37 vertical inch leap. He could stand below the rim at 284 lbs and dunk off of one leg. He also could touch the top of the square at 290-300 lb in college

He was an insane athlete for his size and weight.

His weaknesses?

- His post defense was average but when he was pissed of an concetrated he was a pretty good post defender. He just wasn't a great defender.
- His perimeter defense wasn't that good especially as he aged cause he got fatter, lost mobility and jumping ability aswell (after 1996)

- He was a good shot blocker relative to size and when healthy and fit he was a pretty good help defender and stealer (he has the highest SPG Avg at the PF spot)

Was there any drama surrounding Barkley in the 90s?

Yes as i mentioned the MVP race in 89-90 he was robbed because of his agressive, tell the truth personality and the fact that he was in many fights off the court.

Once in a game he spat at a fan who was giving him hard time and it accidentally hit a little girl. So he was punshied by the nba's media many times and probably was the reason why did not win MVP in 89-90...there was alot of media hate against him.

His peak was from 1989 to 1993. ages 26 to 30

Thats all the questions. Thanks!

Suggest you watch these videos so you can have a better look at his game:

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2uD8l2Ra2E
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqPVseBeFmg

Here playing against the Knick in his peak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98-e--sWyto

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

I have a question. I'm obviously a younger fan of the NBA and I would like to get to know more about the 90s era. Some questions.

Was Barkley ever considered to be a top 5 player throughout his era?

He was always considered a top 6 player in the mid to late 80s (Jordan, Bird, Magic, Hakeem and Isiah the best) from 85 to 89.

From 1989 to 1993 he was considered the 2nd best player in the game (as Magic declined and still had the better team after Kareem left and Bird's injuries caught up to him).

He was robbed from the 1989-90 MVP to Magic (who as i said still had better players around him defensively and offensively) while having more 1st place votes but no other votes for the rest of the spots in the MVP race. I suggest you watch Barkley games from the 89-90 Season he was even better than his MVP sean in 92-93.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiNvY93EmWc

Minute 2:44 " For the majority the 2nd best player in the game after MJ" (Italian TV)

What was his strengths?

The strongest 6´4 and 5/8 ft (1.95 mt) player of all time
The most efficient scoring PF-SF (and 2nd most skilled after McHale)
The 2nd best rebounder after Rodman in the game
The best ballhandling PF ever
The best post passing PF ever
The best coast to coast finisher in the game
etc

He weighed 290-300 lbs in college and had a 37 vertical inch leap. He could stand below the rim at 284 lbs and dunk off of one leg. He also could touch the top of the square at 290-300 lb in college

He was an insane athlete for his size and weight.

His weaknesses?

- His post defense was average but when he was pissed of an concetrated he was a pretty good post defender. He just wasn't a great defender.
- His perimeter defense wasn't that good especially as he aged cause he got fatter, lost mobility and jumping ability aswell (after 1996)

- He was a good shot blocker relative to size and when healthy and fit he was a pretty good help defender and stealer (he has the highest SPG Avg at the PF spot)

Was there any drama surrounding Barkley in the 90s?

Yes as i mentioned the MVP race in 89-90 he was robbed because of his agressive, tell the truth personality and the fact that he was in many fights off the court.

Once in a game he spat at a fan who was giving him hard time and it accidentally hit a little girl. So he was punshied by the nba's media many times and probably was the reason why did not win MVP in 89-90...there was alot of media hate against him.

His peak was from 1989 to 1993. ages 26 to 30

Thats all the questions. Thanks!

Suggest you watch these videos so you can have a better look at his game:

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2uD8l2Ra2E
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqPVseBeFmg

Here playing against the Knick in his peak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98-e--sWyto:applause::applause::applause:

[Turbo Slayer]

I have a question. I'm obviously a younger fan of the NBA and I would like to get to know more about the 90s era. Some questions.

Was Barkley ever considered to be a top 5 player throughout his era?

He was always considered a top 6 player in the mid to late 80s (Jordan, Bird, Magic, Hakeem and Isiah the best) from 85 to 89.

From 1989 to 1993 he was considered the 2nd best player in the game (as Magic declined and still had the better team after Kareem left and Bird's injuries caught up to him).

He was robbed from the 1989-90 MVP to Magic (who as i said still had better players around him defensively and offensively) while having more 1st place votes but no other votes for the rest of the spots in the MVP race. I suggest you watch Barkley games from the 89-90 Season he was even better than his MVP sean in 92-93.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiNvY93EmWc

Minute 2:44 " For the majority the 2nd best player in the game after MJ" (Italian TV)

What was his strengths?

The strongest 6´4 and 5/8 ft (1.95 mt) player of all time
The most efficient scoring PF-SF (and 2nd most skilled after McHale)
The 2nd best rebounder after Rodman in the game
The best ballhandling PF ever
The best post passing PF ever
The best coast to coast finisher in the game
etc

He weighed 290-300 lbs in college and had a 37 vertical inch leap. He could stand below the rim at 284 lbs and dunk off of one leg. He also could touch the top of the square at 290-300 lb in college

He was an insane athlete for his size and weight.

His weaknesses?

- His post defense was average but when he was pissed of an concetrated he was a pretty good post defender. He just wasn't a great defender.
- His perimeter defense wasn't that good especially as he aged cause he got fatter, lost mobility and jumping ability aswell (after 1996)

- He was a good shot blocker relative to size and when healthy and fit he was a pretty good help defender and stealer (he has the highest SPG Avg at the PF spot)

Was there any drama surrounding Barkley in the 90s?

Yes as i mentioned the MVP race in 89-90 he was robbed because of his agressive, tell the truth personality and the fact that he was in many fights off the court.

Once in a game he spat at a fan who was giving him hard time and it accidentally hit a little girl. So he was punshied by the nba's media many times and probably was the reason why did not win MVP in 89-90...there was alot of media hate against him.

His peak was from 1989 to 1993. ages 26 to 30

Thats all the questions. Thanks!

Suggest you watch these videos so you can have a better look at his game:

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2uD8l2Ra2E
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqPVseBeFmg

Here playing against the Knick in his peak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98-e--sWyto :bowdown: Good analysis!

[AussieSteve]

I have a question. I'm obviously a younger fan of the NBA and I would like to get to know more about the 90s era. Some questions.

Was Barkley ever considered to be a top 5 player throughout his era?

What was his strengths?

His weaknesses?

Was there any drama surrounding Barkley in the 90s?

Thats all the questions. Thanks!

The top three players in the league c.1989-1991 were MJ, Magic and Barkley. I dare say that this would have been a pretty unanimous opinion. Jordan obviously was the consensus #1 player, but in the early part of the 1991 season you definitely weren't alone if you thought Chuck was the best player in the world. As Round Mound mentioned, he was robbed of the 1990 MVP (this is not hyperbole, it's prerty much established fact that you can find articles about online. He got the most 1st place votes by a fair margin, but a significant number of west coast voters left him of their ballot entirely to bolster Magic's chances). His first half of the 91 season was ATG until he was injured in mid-Jan and eased up a bit in the 2nd half.

By 92-93, it was Jordan as #1, with Barkley and Hakeem next in whatever order, but I'd say Barkley was more often at #2.

Barkley hurt his back pretty bad in Jan 94, and his peak years were definitely over from that point on. But for that brief window between MJ's first retirement and Barkley's back giving way, I think he was the consensus #1 player in the league. He had the suns at 23-6, was going at 25, 12 and 5, and had just clobbered Hakeem to the tune of 38 points and 18 rebounds on Christmas Day.

In terms of strengths and weaknesses, as has been discussed... Offensively he was the complete package. Defensively he had some limitations. On the boards he was a monster.

[Round Mound]

The top three players in the league c.1989-1991 were MJ, Magic and Barkley. I dare say that this would have been a pretty unanimous opinion. Jordan obviously was the consensus #1 player, but in the early part of the 1991 season you definitely weren't alone if you thought Chuck was the best player in the world. As Round Mound mentioned, he was robbed of the 1990 MVP (this is not hyperbole, it's prerty much established fact that you can find articles about online. He got the most 1st place votes by a fair margin, but a significant number of west coast voters left him of their ballot entirely to bolster Magic's chances). His first half of the 91 season was ATG until he was injured in mid-Jan and eased up a bit in the 2nd half.

By 92-93, it was Jordan as #1, with Barkley and Hakeem next in whatever order, but I'd say Barkley was more often at #2.

Barkley hurt his back pretty bad in Jan 94, and his peak years were definitely over from that point on. But for that brief window between MJ's first retirement and Barkley's back giving way, I think he was the consensus #1 player in the league. He had the suns at 23-6, was going at 25, 12 and 5, and had just clobbered Hakeem to the tune of 38 points and 18 rebounds on Christmas Day.

In terms of strengths and weaknesses, as has been discussed... Offensively he was the complete package. Defensively he had some limitations. On the boards he was a monster.

:applause:

[AussieSteve]

:applause:

Through December 1990 and January 1991, Barkley was playing better than anyone in the world. Including Jordan. If Barkley's peak was 89-93, the first half of 91 was the peak of his peak.

But as was the case in 94, when a back injury ended his prime, it was injury that ruined what was on track to being one of the greatest individual regular seasons ever.

Almost half way through the season, he was averaging 30.8ppg on 66%ts when an ankle injury took him out for three weeks. Over his last 19 games before the injury he was going at 33.4ppg on 67%ts, and in his last nine games he went for 35.1ppg on 66%ts. That's rare form. And what made it more impressive was that he had a pretty terrible roster at 21-14 and in contention for home court in the first two rounds of the playoffs.

He took his foot off the gas when he came back and then hurt his knee in March, which led to him playing with a knee brace throughout the playoffs.

There are a lot of 'what ifs' about Barkley's career. What if he had a decent cast during his prime Philly years?.. Could he have made them a contender? What if Paxon missed that 3 to win game 6?... Would they have won game 7 at home and ruined Jordan's perfect finals record? What if he didn't hurt his back in 94?... Would a healthy Barkley have gotten the Suns past Hakeem in 94 and 95?

I'd add to the list 'what if he didn't get hurt in 1991?' He would have been in strong contention for the MVP, in what was also Jordan's best RS. Philly were on track for >50 wins and would have likely met the Bulls in the ECF with a healthy Barkley at the peak of his powers.

[Jasper]

when Giannis gets his 100 games in , he will be the record holder.

[SpaceJam]

I'll just leave these playoff stats here

% of games with 10+ boards

Barkley 76.4%

Hakeem - 68.3%
Duncan - 67.3%
Shaq - 66.2%
Garnett - 63.6%
Wallace - 61.5%

Rodman - 49.1%


% of games with 15+ boards

Barkley - 30.1%

Wallace - 26.9%
Shaq - 25.5%
Duncan - 22.3%
Rodman - 19.5%
Hakeem - 19.3%
Garnett - 15.4%


% of games with 20+ boards

Barkley - 13.0%

Wallace - 9.2%
Shaq - 7.4%
Duncan - 5.2%
Rodman - 4.7%
Garnett - 4.2%
Hakeem - 2.1%

Wallace :bowdown:

[Round Mound]

Through December 1990 and January 1991, Barkley was playing better than anyone in the world. Including Jordan. If Barkley's peak was 89-93, the first half of 91 was the peak of his peak.

But as was the case in 94, when a back injury ended his prime, it was injury that ruined what was on track to being one of the greatest individual regular seasons ever.

Almost half way through the season, he was averaging 30.8ppg on 66%ts when an ankle injury took him out for three weeks. Over his last 19 games before the injury he was going at 33.4ppg on 67%ts, and in his last nine games he went for 35.1ppg on 66%ts. That's rare form. And what made it more impressive was that he had a pretty terrible roster at 21-14 and in contention for home court in the first two rounds of the playoffs.

He took his foot off the gas when he came back and then hurt his knee in March, which led to him playing with a knee brace throughout the playoffs.

There are a lot of 'what ifs' about Barkley's career. What if he had a decent cast during his prime Philly years?.. Could he have made them a contender? What if Paxon missed that 3 to win game 6?... Would they have won game 7 at home and ruined Jordan's perfect finals record? What if he didn't hurt his back in 94?... Would a healthy Barkley have gotten the Suns past Hakeem in 94 and 95?

I'd add to the list 'what if he didn't get hurt in 1991?' He would have been in strong contention for the MVP, in what was also Jordan's best RS. Philly were on track for >50 wins and would have likely met the Bulls in the ECF with a healthy Barkley at the peak of his powers.

As i always say a HEALTHY PRIME AND PEAK Barkley was as good as any other great player ever!

[Monta Ellis MVP]

Russell Westbrook.

[Round Mound]

As far as "contested" rebounds i've never seen better rebounders than Dennis Rodman and Charles Barkley. Probably Moses Malone back in the 70s and early 80s would be in that group. Benn Wallace after Chuck's and Dennis's era.

[AussieSteve]

As i always say a HEALTHY PRIME AND PEAK Barkley was as good as any other great player ever!

When Moses went down towards the end of the 86 regular season, Chuck became Philly's main man. From that game until his back injury in 94, the best part of 8 seasons, he averaged 25.5pts, 12.0reb, 4.2ast, 1.7stl and 0.9blk, on an ATG 58.4efg% and 63.6ts%, and was the best a power forward has ever been.

[Round Mound]

When Moses went down towards the end of the 86 regular season, Chuck became Philly's main man. From that game until his back injury in 94, the best part of 8 seasons, he averaged 25.5pts, 12.0reb, 4.2ast, 1.7stl and 0.9blk, on an ATG 58.4efg% and 63.6ts%, and was the best a power forward has ever been.

I agree with you...HEALTHY Prime and Peak Barkley was The Best Powerforward Ever!. Kevin McHale HEALTHY would rank higher too. :bowdown::cheers::banana::applause::rockon: