Yes, China released it... probably unintentionally.

[Shogon]

Could be intentionally, but we'll likely never know.

Anyways... here you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU

[DoctorP]

I released something unintentionally about 30 seconds ago

more info: https://youtu.be/VKeJ5J8cKBA

[Lebron23]

I hope someday the Chinese People are going to revolt and over throw their Government. They are the no.1 reason why many people are dying of this disease.

[warriorfan]

China sucks

[Long Duck Dong]

https://i.ibb.co/ZM39grh/20200419-070003.jpg

Don't Say A Word

[thonuc]

like you said, we´ll never know how it all happened

[Axe]

Ching

[BarberSchool]

My question is let’s say intel agencies discover that it was intentional .... what is the likelihood they would publicize such info immediately, rather than extort the fkkkk out of Xi for billions ?

Then years later, release it anyways thru some secure untraceable channel with plausible deniability ?

Either way, I’m leaning intentional, and made public.

I mean, think about it, would they ban internal travel from Wuhan/Hubei province for over a month, while letting 30+ outbound international flights leave during that same month, if it WASN’T INTENTIONAL ?

[Nanners]

If China released this intentionally, why the **** would they choose to release it in their own city? What would be their motive for releasing it?

[warriorfan]

If China released this intentionally, why the **** would they choose to release it in their own city? What would be their motive for releasing it?

Test run. Subjects expendable.

[Nanners]

Test run. Subjects expendable.

That makes zero sense. Do you believe that the Chinese government has the ability to tell the virus which specific citizens are to be infected or something? While the Chinese government may think that some of their people are expendable, they also think that many of their people arent expendable, and its not like they can control which people catch a virus that is (supposedly) extremely contagious. Dont forget that Wuhan is a highly connected/travelled city with ~8 million residents (the size of NYC), and the city was not locked down until an entire month after the virus was first detected... also, important Chinese cities like Bejing and Shanghai were among the first to get hit.

And what exactly would this be a test run for anyway?

[coin24]

If China released this intentionally, why the **** would they choose to release it in their own city? What would be their motive for releasing it?


Cause they give zero fu*ks about the people there, infect them and let it spread

[Nanners]

Cause they give zero fu*ks about the people there, infect them and let it spread

Thats not a motive

Also, even if you want to try to argue that the Chinese govt doesnt care about any of the 8 million residents of Wuhan, the virus is highly contagious and infected the entire country... do they give zero ****s about Bejing and Shanghai too?

[warriorfan]

Thats not a motive

Also, even if you want to try to argue that the Chinese govt doesnt care about any of the 8 million residents of Wuhan, the virus is highly contagious and infected the entire country... do they give zero ****s about Bejing and Shanghai too?

Nothing in China works as good as its supposed to. They probably knew they had no chance of creating something that effective.

[bladefd]

Without evidence, it's just another conspiracy theory :confusedshrug:

[BarberSchool]

That makes zero sense. Do you believe that the Chinese government has the ability to tell the virus which specific citizens are to be infected or something? While the Chinese government may think that some of their people are expendable, they also think that many of their people arent expendable, and its not like they can control which people catch a virus that is (supposedly) extremely contagious. Dont forget that Wuhan is a highly connected/travelled city with ~8 million residents (the size of NYC), and the city was not locked down until an entire month after the virus was first detected... also, important Chinese cities like Bejing and Shanghai were among the first to get hit.

And what exactly would this be a test run for anyway?Please do note, that China blocked domestic travel from Wuhan / Hubei province to Beijing, Shanghai, and other Chinese cities for over 3weeks while letting 30+ outbound INTERNATIONAL flights leave Wuhan per day. For over a month.

[Nanners]

Please do note, that China blocked domestic travel from Wuhan / Hubei province to Beijing, Shanghai, and other Chinese cities for over 3weeks while letting 30+ outbound INTERNATIONAL flights leave Wuhan per day. For over a month.

Please do note that if the virus is currently present in literally every city in the US, it is/was also present in literally every city in the country on the other side of the planet where the outbreak started

[DoctorP]

Please do note that if the virus is currently present in literally every city in the US, it is/was also present in literally every city in the country on the other side of the planet where the outbreak started

yeah mine is still present in the room

[Shogon]

Why did they release it if it was intentional? That's easy. To destroy the U.S. dollar and thus our grip on the global economy.

I'd say it was likely unintentional, but intentional wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. But the people that say this naturally came from a bat have their head in the sand.

"But but... they have harmed themselves too! Even more!" Yeah, they harmed themselves but there's no way to escape the current global system without harm. And how do you think a war between the U.S. and China would play out? With nuclear weapons or armies? Nope. Biological/viral and cultural subversion.

And you could make the argument that they could have just released it randomly in secret in the U.S. and nobody would ever know... but it's more likely that it would be traced back to them in some way as being malicious if that were the case and the potential blow back would be far greater.


But again, I say all that to say... it was probably unintentional. But to say that there's no motive to intentionally release it would be... shortsighted.

[Nanners]

Why did they release it if it was intentional? That's easy. To destroy the U.S. dollar and thus our grip on the global economy.

So China released a virus in their own country... to destroy the US dollar? How exactly does that work? Somehow China knew that once the virus travelled from their cities to the US, the US govt would force the country into full lockdown? What if the US had decided to take the same non-lockdown approach to the virus as Sweeden or Japan?


I'd say it was likely unintentional, but intentional wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. But the people that say this naturally came from a bat have their head in the sand.

Can you cite a single piece of evidence that indicates that this virus came from a lab rather than the natural world?


"But but... they have harmed themselves too! Even more!" Yeah, they harmed themselves but there's no way to escape the current global system without harm. And how do you think a war between the U.S. and China would play out? With nuclear weapons or armies? Nope. Biological/viral and cultural subversion.

It might start with biological weapons and cultural subversion, but this war would ultimately result in mass nukes and likely the end of civilization as we know it.


And you could make the argument that they could have just released it randomly in secret in the U.S. and nobody would ever know... but it's more likely that it would be traced back to them in some way as being malicious if that were the case and the potential blow back would be far greater.

That makes no sense whatsoever. If the virus was engineered in the Wuhan lab and then released in the US, how exactly would anybody ever know the true origin? Do you think the US has a database containing every version of every virus inside the Wuhan lab?

As far as I have heard, the only link between this virus and the lab is that the lab is in Wuhan and thats where the virus was first detected.


But again, I say all that to say... it was probably unintentional. But to say that there's no motive to intentionally release it would be... shortsighted.

I didnt say there was no motive, I asked what the motive would be... and I am still waiting for anything resembling a decent answer to that question.

[tpols]

So China released a virus in their own country... to destroy the US dollar? How exactly does that work?

to give themselves plausable deniability.

like a poster above said, they banned travel to other major cities that have been largely unharmed in their own country, yet allowed people from wuhan to travel the world.

this was AFTER they knew all about the virus.

They may not have released it intentionally at first, but there's no doubt they took care of their own and said **** us.

[DoctorP]

its lingering and it stinks

[Nanners]

to give themselves plausable deniability.

Hows that working out for them? The fact that the virus was first detected (by chinese scientists) in Wuhan doesnt seem to give them much deniability


like a poster above said, they banned travel to other major cities that have been largely unharmed in their own country, yet allowed people from wuhan to travel the world.

The poster above is an idiot. First of all, Wuhan was not locked down until an entire month after Chinese authorities first detected the virus. Secondly, Wuhan is a MASSIVE city that is connected to other MASSIVE Chinese cities by high-speed rail and a highly trafficked airport. The idea that the virus would have been able spread into every state in a country like the US, while there have simultaneously been massive chinese cities that are spared entirely by the virus, is not compatable with reality.


this was AFTER they knew all about the virus.

They may not have released it intentionally at first, but there's no doubt they took care of their own and said **** us.

Heres a thought - there were lots of westerners working at the Wuhan Virus lab. If the virus was released by a lab worker, it seems that it would be far more likely to be released by one of the westerners than one of the Chinamen. Unlike China, the US has a long history of lab breaches and chemical weapon useage... and doesnt it make more sense for the US to release a virus in China than it does for China to release a virus in China?

[tpols]

ah yes... america released it on china. :roll:

it's all our fault.

[Nanners]

ah yes... america released it on china. :roll:

it's all our fault.

Yeah... no doubt the idea that China unleashed a bioweapon on their own people makes a lot more sense than the idea that the US (or a western ally) released a bioweapon in China

[Shogon]

I'm not going to get into a major back and forth about it but I'll cover a few questions and then we can agree to disagree... well, at least I will.

1) The idea that the Chinese government truly cares about their people and thus would never do something like this is laughable. Hell, the extreme vast majority of our very own government doesn't even care about us and we're a lot less oppressive than they are... at least domestically.
2) It's extremely likely that the Chinese government is aware of the fact that the U.S. would be half assed about shutting down their economy/society and thus the virus would continue to spread in potentially even higher numbers than in China.
3) The U.S. would probably be able to find the origin of the virus by looking at travel records... and aside from that, it's also very likely that they would know that there was another state acting against them if something like this just randomly popped out of the blue with no explanation... whereas in this scenario, the Chinese have plausible deniability.
4) As far as figuring out that it was man made and not natural, look at the YouTube video. The guy does some suggesting despite the fact that he says he's not, but there's enough there to draw an easy conclusion based on the info available publicly prior to the virus and post virus that you'd have to be completely brain dead not to put together... or you believe he's lying about the translations. Hey, I don't speak any type of Chinese, so, there's that.

And if it were intentional, the motivation would be the destruction of the dollar... or do you think it's just a coincidence that this thing originated in China and went worldwide in the midst of the trade war? Could be.


As I already said, it's likely it was all just an accident, and not intentional, but neither way would surprise me.

[Nanners]

I'm not going to get into a major back and forth about it but I'll cover a few questions and then we can agree to disagree... well, at least I will.

1) The idea that the Chinese government truly cares about their people and thus would never do something like this is laughable. Hell, the extreme vast majority of our very own government doesn't even care about us and we're a lot less oppressive than they are... at least domestically.
2) It's extremely likely that the Chinese government is aware of the fact that the U.S. would be half assed about shutting down their economy/society and thus the virus would continue to spread in potentially even higher numbers than in China.
3) The U.S. would probably be able to find the origin of the virus by looking at travel records... and aside from that, it's also very likely that they would know that there was another state acting against them if something like this just randomly popped out of the blue with no explanation... whereas in this scenario, the Chinese have plausible deniability.
4) As far as figuring out that it was man made and not natural, look at the YouTube video. The guy does some suggesting despite the fact that he says he's not, but there's enough there to draw an easy conclusion based on the info available publicly prior to the virus and post virus that you'd have to be completely brain dead not to put together... or you believe he's lying about the translations. Hey, I don't speak any type of Chinese, so, there's that.

And if it were intentional, the motivation would be the destruction of the dollar... or do you think it's just a coincidence that this thing originated in China and went worldwide in the midst of the trade war? Could be.


As I already said, it's likely it was all just an accident, and not intentional, but neither way would surprise me.

:oldlol:

No shit you wont get into a back and forth, because your laughably weak bullshit is easily shredded by anyone with half a brain.

1. You can make all the claims you want about how much the Chinese govt cares about its people, but its undisputable that the Chinese government cares more about their own people than do about people anywhere else in the world. Why would they release the virus on their own people when they could release it in the USA or an impoverished african nation or literally anywhere else on the planet?

2. How exactly is that extremely likely? Care to cite any evidence for this claim? You do realize that the US and China are not the only countries on the planet, right? Does China give zero ****s about the other 180+ countries and the 5+ billion who live there?

3. Great point about the US finding the origin of the virus through travel records... how exactly would releasing the virus in Wuhan change this?

4. Its beyond hilarious that you are actually citing a youtube video as proof that the virus is man-made, and the fact that you would make this asanine claim basically refutes everything else you have said in this thread.

If this was intentional, how the **** would China know that releasing this virus inside of their own country would ultimately cause more damage to the US dollar than it did to the Chinese yuan? How would China know that the US was not going to respond to this virus with zero lockdowns - like Sweeden and Japan did?

[Shogon]

No shit you wont get into a back and forth, because your laughably weak bullshit is easily shredded by anyone with half a brain.

https://media.giphy.com/media/rngE31q0PTHbO/giphy.gif

[Nanners]

hats off for honesty :applause:

[Bourne]

I post like, once a year, but logged on specifically to say that Nanners' counterpoints are maybe the dumbest comments in any thread I can remember reading, save for purposeful lebron stan troll comments.

[dreamshake]

Trump is doing the right thing by holding China accountable for the coronavirus. He should start taxing all imported Chinese goods. Get American businesses out of China before they get sabotaged by the Chinese government.

[dreamshake]

MIKE POMPEO SAYS CHINA SOUGHT TO COVER UP COVID-19 SEVERITY, 'ENORMOUS EVIDENCE' VIRUS ORIGINATED IN WUHAN LAB

https://www.newsweek.com/mike-pompeo-confirms-china-sought-cover-covid-19-severity-enormous-evidence-virus-originated-1501661?amp=1

[DoctorP]

I post like, once a year, but logged on specifically to say that Nanners' counterpoints are maybe the dumbest comments in any thread I can remember reading, save for purposeful lebron stan troll comments.

dont ssay that about my son.

[BarberSchool]

Please do note that if the virus is currently present in literally every city in the US, it is/was also present in literally every city in the country on the other side of the planet where the outbreak started

Read it again:

“Please do note, that China blocked domestic travel from Wuhan / Hubei province to Beijing, Shanghai, and other Chinese cities for over 3weeks while letting 30+ outbound INTERNATIONAL flights leave Wuhan per day. For over a month.”

They let their most heavily infected province travel the world.... but not travel to the most valuable areas of their nation, which at that time had extremely low rates of infection.

[DoctorP]

Whoever smelt it dealt it.

Abide by the rules

[falc39]

https://www.newsweek.com/mike-pompeo-confirms-china-sought-cover-covid-19-severity-enormous-evidence-virus-originated-1501661?amp=1

Mike Pompeo, the lying neocon? He doesn’t have an ounce of credibility

[Nanners]

Mike Pompeo, the lying neocon? He doesn’t have an ounce of credibility

blaming china is part of his "live exercise"

[bobopenguin]

https://i.ibb.co/9N5Q691/20200505-092634.jpg

a notice outside wetmarket in china.
short translation:
"in order to prevent american pneumonia disease spreading, we gotta measure ur body temperature blah blah blah"

CCP has been telling its ppl behind the wall, this disease originated from USA.

[MrFonzworth]

https://i.ibb.co/9N5Q691/20200505-092634.jpg

a notice outside wetmarket in china.
short translation:
"in order to prevent american pneumonia disease spreading, we gotta measure ur body temperature blah blah blah"

CCP has been telling its ppl behind the wall, this disease originated from USA.

We actually don't know for sure if it did or not. It is the most likely scenario though

[Axe]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KjdE7zz3BqA

[tomdaw]

like you´ve said we wll never know