Who was the best team Jordan ever beat in the playoffs?

[ninephive]

Serious question.

[red1]

Serious question.

bulls never saw the 2013 or 2014 spurs, that's a ****ing fact.

[ninephive]

bulls never saw the 2013 or 2014 spurs, that's a ****ing fact.
Jordan saw the writing on the wall. No Phil past 98, maybe no Scottie. The Shaq/Kobe Lakers. The Duncan/Robinson Spurs. No way he’s risking his 6/6 against those teams.

[red1]

ducked the fade from the nigerian as well.

[SouBeachTalents]

Realistically, it'd come down to one of these teams

Ewing Knicks
Barkley Suns
Shaq/Penny Magic
Kemp/Payton Sonics
Stockton/Malone Jazz

[Akeem34TheDream]

Barkley Suns

[Axe]

Miller Pacers deserve no mention here?

[Mamba4Life]

Srs? The '89 Cavs

yea, i've never heard of them either.

[FromDowntown]

If it's Jazz then YIKES
If it's Suns then that's one year
If it's Pistons, he was eliminated three times by them

I say Bad Boy Pistons. Then MJ recruits Rodman from Detroit. Crazy.

[Docs Orders]

Jazz

the amount of effort Jordan expanded guarding Jeff Hornacek on defense, then being cunning enough to create space on the other end while being guarded by Jeff Hornacek. wow unprecedented greatness

[Lebron23]

Bad Boy Pistons.

[G0ATbe]

AIDS era Magic Lakers

[3ball]

Realistically, it'd come down to one of these teams

Ewing Knicks
Barkley Suns
Shaq/Penny Magic
Kemp/Payton Sonics
Stockton/Malone Jazz
98' Pacers
89' Cavs (#1 SRS, Big 4)

But the issue is that it was generally a 2-star vs 2-star format... So the teams don't look as talented as the 3-star vs 3-star format of recent years..

anyone complaining about lebron's comp is wrong because lebron had his own super-teams to face his comp.. he only faced more on-paper talent in 07', 15' 18'.

Anyone claiming 17' is wrong and simply too accustomed to lebron having mediocre underdogs with super-teams

[LostCause]

Between the 91 Pistons (Just came off 2x championships), 93 Suns (Won 53 games and made it to 2nd round year before, then added MVP Barkley) or 96 Sonics (Really deep team) imo

The Jazz are up there too. Let's not forget how they swept the 4-all star Lakers (With prime Shaq and an admittedly young Kobe) who made the WCF and also beat a young Duncan/Robinson Spurs 4-1 before that (Spurs won the championship the very next year) in 98. They also beat the Hakeem/Clyde/Barkley Rockets both years

[FireDavidKahn]

Jazz

the amount of effort Jordan expanded guarding Jeff Hornacek on defense, then being cunning enough to create space on the other end while being guarded by Jeff Hornacek. wow unprecedented greatness

Jazz were notorious chokers. I'll try and find the graphic but in each round of the play offs throughout their careers (Stockton and Malone) their game score kept dropping each round.

People give the pre-Kawhi Raptors shit but those Jazz were basically a better version of them with the same amount of choking.

[ArbitraryWater]

maybe the injured ass Lakers?

Old ass Stock/Malone who only did something once the conference declined?

[FromDowntown]

Jazz were notorious chokers. I'll try and find the graphic but in each round of the play offs throughout their careers (Stockton and Malone) their game score kept dropping each round.

People give the pre-Kawhi Raptors shit but those Jazz were basically a better version of them with the same amount of choking.

Jazz = original Trash bros

[jayfan]

'89 Cavs is the wiseguy answer, for sure. That team was legit.

[FromDowntown]

'89 Cavs is the wiseguy answer, for sure. That team was legit.

Damn :lol

That was it? I see

[LAmbruh]

Jazz were notorious chokers. I'll try and find the graphic but in each round of the play offs throughout their careers (Stockton and Malone) their game score kept dropping each round.

People give the pre-Kawhi Raptors shit but those Jazz were basically a better version of them with the same amount of choking.

100% this

[Bronbron23]

Bad boy pistons. They were the defending 2x champs and one of the best teams ever. This this weird narrative that the pistons were old and done ant thats why mj beat them but that stupid.
Aguire was the oldest of the star players at 31. Isiah, dumars, rod were under 30

[jayfan]

Bad boy pistons. They were the defending 2x champs and one of the best teams ever. This this weird narrative that the pistons were old and done ant thats why mj beat them but that stupid.
Aguire was the oldest of the star players at 31. Isiah, dumars, rod were under 30

Call it whatever you want, but they were done. It's not like they bounced back in '92.

[Nowoco]

The Jazz swept Shaq and Kobe's Lakers and went through the twin tower Spurs. Team was lit.

[Turbo Slayer]

The Jazz.

[jayfan]

'89 Cavs is the wiseguy answer, for sure. That team was legit.
Was also the Bulls only win as an underdog.

[Manny98]

The best team MJ ever beat is still inferior to the worst team LeBron had to play in the finals

https://i.postimg.cc/X7Jv6sS2/g7vmn1o505r01.jpg

[Docs Orders]

34yo Malone
35yo Stockton
34yo Hornacek
36yo Carr


"The Last Dance"


:yaohappy:

[scuzzy]

34yo Malone
35yo Stockton
34yo Hornacek
36yo Carr


"The Last Dance"


:yaohappy:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e5/fd/b1/e5fdb1faf0645e4c11eb62edb106c32d.jpg

[dbugz]

They're so dominant that they will make the current Lakers now look like the current Cavaliers.

[Manny98]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e5/fd/b1/e5fdb1faf0645e4c11eb62edb106c32d.jpg

:oldlol:

[Nowoco]

34yo Malone
35yo Stockton
34yo Hornacek
36yo Carr


"The Last Dance"


:yaohappy:

Swept a 4 All-Star stacked Lakers team holding Kobe to 10ppg @36%

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

93 Suns are in convo for GOAT team to not win a title

they wont 62 games, a #1 historic offense and top 10 defense with

- Chuck missing 6 games
- KJ missing 33 games - star level player and arguably top 10 PG ever
- Dumas missing 34 games - one of their top 5 players
- Chambers missing 9 games
- Miller missing 26 games

Thats probably a 70 win team with all their players healthy like in the playoffs.

The series with the Bulls is probably the closest 6 game series ever too

Both teams scored 640 points through 6 games
Bulls won one game by 1pt (closeout), one by 3 and one by 6 (which was FT addition, an MJ and 1 on Barkley sealed in as a clutch winner)

[Bronbron23]

Call it whatever you want, but they were done. It's not like they bounced back in '92.

Thats fine but you could say the about alot of teams. Lebron beat a "done" spurs team in 13 and then lost to them in 14. Most of the great teams bron beat were ether to young or to old. The warriors is the exeption to that.

And mj beat alot of great teams other than the bad boys. 96 magic and super sonics were as good as anyone lebron beat. You really think the warriors beat that 96 magic team? Shaq is way better than steph and penny was way better than klay. They also had good 3 point shooters around them.

[SouBeachTalents]

Thats fine but you could say the about alot of teams. Lebron beat a "done" spurs team in 13 and then lost to them in 14. Most of the great teams bron beat were ether to young or to old. The warriors is the exeption to that.

And mj beat alot of great teams other than the bad boys. 96 magic and super sonics were as good as anyone lebron beat. You really think the warriors beat that 96 magic team? Shaq is way better than steph and penny was way better than klay. They also had good 3 point shooters around them.
The Magic needed 7 games to beat the Pacers then got swept in the Finals. Let's not act like they were some juggernaut team

[G0ATbe]

34yo Malone
35yo Stockton
34yo Hornacek
36yo Carr


"The Last Dance"


:yaohappy:

:oldlol:

[jayfan]

Thats fine but you could say the about alot of teams. Lebron beat a "done" spurs team in 13 and then lost to them in 14. Most of the great teams bron beat were ether to young or to old. The warriors is the exeption to that.

And mj beat alot of great teams other than the bad boys. 96 magic and super sonics were as good as anyone lebron beat. You really think the warriors beat that 96 magic team? Shaq is way better than steph and penny was way better than klay. They also had good 3 point shooters around them.

I agree with much of what you're trying to say, but the '13 Spurs are a poor comparison to the '91 Pistons. The '14 Spurs bounced back and won it all, while the '92 Pistons lost in the first round to the Knicks.

[3ball]

1) Bad Boys
2) Suns (made MJ get 41)
3) Jazz
4) Knicks
5) 98' Pacers
6) Sonics
7) 89' Cavs
8) 96' Magic

[jayfan]

1) Bad Boys
2) Suns (made MJ get 41)
3) Jazz
4) Knicks
5) 98' Pacers
6) Sonics
7) 89' Cavs
8) 96' Magic

Knicks of which year?

[Manny98]

1) Bad Boys
2) Suns (made MJ get 41)
3) Jazz
4) Knicks
5) 98' Pacers
6) Sonics
7) 89' Cavs
8) 96' Magic

Yikes, past prime Bad Boys who barely won 50 games was the best team the "GOAT" beat :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

1) Bad Boys
2) Suns (made MJ get 41)
3) Jazz
4) Knicks
5) 98' Pacers
6) Sonics
7) 89' Cavs
8) 96' Magic
Listing the Pistons as #1 is a disservice to Jordan :lol And imo you overrate the Pacers & Cavs

[3ball]

Listing the Pistons as #1 is a disservice to Jordan :lol And imo you overrate the Pacers & Cavs
They finally had the Pistons number

91' Bulls beat any version of the Bad Boys

[Soundwave]

'96 Magic are too low, that was a really, really good team they would make the Finals in the modern NBA without much fuss.

[Bronbron23]

I agree with much of what you're trying to say, but the '13 Spurs are a poor comparison to the '91 Pistons. The '14 Spurs bounced back and won it all, while the '92 Pistons lost in the first round to the Knicks.

True but that dosnt mean the 90-91 pistons team wasnt still great.

And if it does then what does it say that lebron losing to the spurs in 14 and then a year after the spurs lost in the first round? If the pistons arnt any good because they lost in the first round a year later than that means the same applies to the 14 purs championship team. So basically a washed up version of the spurs beat lebron and the rest of the league. What does that say about bron and that era?

[Bronbron23]

The Magic needed 7 games to beat the Pacers then got swept in the Finals. Let's not act like they were some juggernaut team

It was a loaded time bro. The pacers were a tough team.

[Nowoco]

The 1991 Pistons being washed up is a crock of shit.

Three of their starters were under 30 and they beat a 56 win Celtics team in the ECSF. The 1998 Bulls had a starting 5 that were 35, 34, 33 and 37 yet won the chip. People will say "but the Pistons had been to three straight finals", well the Bulls got to and won three straight finals. As has been said, the 1991 Bulls beats any of the Bad Boys teams.

[Soundwave]

'96 Magic is really not that far behind the 2000 Lakers IMO.

[SouBeachTalents]

'96 Magic is really not that far behind the 2000 Lakers IMO.
Not without Horace Grant they aren't

[JBSptfn]

In my opinion, the 93 Suns are the best team that MJ beat in the playoffs, followed by the 89 Cavs and 92 Blazers.

[FromDowntown]

In my opinion, the 93 Suns are the best team that MJ beat in the playoffs, followed by the 89 Cavs and 92 Blazers.

Thank you for your honesty. THIS answer is 100% why he can never be Goat.

[Bronbron23]

Thank you for your honesty. THIS answer is 100% why he can never be Goat.

I disagree but even if the suns are the best team mj faced at least he beat them. The suns were as good as the mavs team that lebron lost too. That is why bron can never be goat. For as great as the warriors win was there was to many times when he lost when he shouldn't have. He still a top 5 though.

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

-93 Phoenix Suns
-98 Utah Jazz
-92 Portland Trail Blazers
-97 Utah Jazz
-92 New York Knicks
-96 Seattle SuperSonics
-98 Indiana Pacers
-96 Orlando Magic
-91 Detroit Pistons

[3ball]

Not without Horace Grant they aren't
Didn't those Lakers have Horace Grant on the team and he started every game with 10/8 averages?

Oh no, that was the 01' Lakers

It's funny that Shaq had Horace and Kobe (> Pippen)... So Shaq had a much better cast then MJ, but worse offenses (the ORtg of Shaq's triangles had a smaller margin above league average than MJ"s triangles)

[JBSptfn]

Didn't those Lakers have Horace Grant on the team and he started every game with 10/8 averages?

Oh no, that was the 01' Lakers

It's funny that Shaq had Horace and Kobe (> Pippen)... So Shaq had a much better cast then MJ, but worse offenses (the ORtg of Shaq's triangles had a smaller margin above league average than MJ"s triangles)

Shaq had a better supporting cast than MJ with the 00-02 Lakers? No way.

[samballs]

Washington Bullets had Howard, Webber and Strickland one year and almost eliminated the Bulls in the first round.

Pacers and Knicks took the bulls to game 7.

The NBA finals were never the test.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Idk a lot of choices

60-22 1993 Knicks
62-20 1993 Suns

60-22 1996 Magic
64-18 1996 Sonics

61-21 1997 Heat
64-18 1997 Jazz

62-20 1998 Jazz

That’s just pure 60+ win record teams. 92 Knicks, 92 Blazers, 98 Pacers those three sleepers were teams better than their regular season record indicated.

[FromDowntown]

Idk a lot of choices

60-22 1993 Knicks
62-20 1993 Suns

60-22 1996 Magic
64-18 1996 Sonics

61-21 1997 Heat
64-18 1997 Jazz

62-20 1998 Jazz

That’s just pure 60+ win record teams. 92 Knicks, 92 Blazers, 98 Pacers those three sleepers were teams better than their regular season record indicated.

The fact that 92 Blazers is mentioned so often says it all.

That team is no where near the top 10 teams LeBron beat

They are maybe on par with 2015 Hawks. Maybe. Or 2016 Raptors.

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

The fact that 92 Blazers is mentioned so often says it all.

That team is no where near the top 10 teams LeBron beat
And why is that?

[FromDowntown]

And why is that?

A team who's very best player is Clyde Drexler and their second option is Terry Porter? Do we need to discuss further?

[SamuraiSWISH]

They are maybe on par with 2015 Hawks. Maybe. Or 2016 Raptors.
:oldlol:

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

A team who's very best player is Clyde Drexler and their second option is Terry Porter? Do we need to discuss further?

Name me the top 10 teams LeBrick James beat in the playoffs

[JBSptfn]

A team who's very best player is Clyde Drexler and their second option is Terry Porter? Do we need to discuss further?

So I guess Buck Williams, Jerome Kersey, Danny Ainge, and Uncle Cliffy were all scrubs then, huh? :oldlol:

[JBSptfn]

Washington Bullets had Howard, Webber and Strickland one year and almost eliminated the Bulls in the first round.


Oh, yeah. Almost forgot about them. The Bullets were up to something good in 97. However, because of a rape charge (in Webber and Howard's house. They were found not guilty), owner Abe Pollin wanted Webber gone. A potential power in the Nation's Capital was done, and a new one formed in the Capital of California.

[HoopsNY]

Washington Bullets had Howard, Webber and Strickland one year and almost eliminated the Bulls in the first round.

Pacers and Knicks took the bulls to game 7.

The NBA finals were never the test.

The Bullets got swept by Chicago. Wouldn't say they "almost" eliminated the Bulls in the first round.

[nizroc]

The Bullets got swept by Chicago. Wouldn't say they "almost" eliminated the Bulls in the first round.

Seriously! When these people can’t manipulate data anymore they go for the boldfaced lie!

[Axe]

-93 Phoenix Suns
-98 Utah Jazz
-92 Portland Trail Blazers
-97 Utah Jazz
-92 New York Knicks
-96 Seattle SuperSonics
-98 Indiana Pacers
-96 Orlando Magic
-91 Detroit Pistons
It's no use telling this to mj's mudslingers.

[nayte]

The Bullets got swept by Chicago. Wouldn't say they "almost" eliminated the Bulls in the first round.

:roll:

[Rico2016]

Bad Boy Pistons after three straight years of getting wrecked.

[Roundball_Rock]

Seriously! When these people can’t manipulate data anymore they go for the boldfaced lie!

I've never seen a fan base do that the way MJ stans do. The Bulls swept the Bullets and then won 4-1 against Atlanta and Miami, so they dominated to the tune of 11-2 against the East.


A team who's very best player is Clyde Drexler and their second option is Terry Porter? Do we need to discuss further?

The Bulls always had the best "#2" and usually the best #3 in the series during their title runs. How are you supposed to beat the Bulls when Terry Porter or John Starks is your second option?

[ninephive]

Name me the top 10 teams LeBrick James beat in the playoffs
1. 2016 Warriors - 73 wins, would have 4-peated
2. 2013 Spurs - Duncan, Parker, Kawhi - 6 FMVPs
3. 2012 Thunder - Durant, Westbook, Harden - 3 MVPs
4. 2007 Pistons - Billups/Rip/Wallace/Webber/Prince
5. 2011 Celtics - Pierce/Garnett/Rondo/Allen
6. 2012 Celtics - Pierce/Garnett/Rondo/Allen
7. 2016 Raptors - Derozan/Lowry
8. 2015 Bulls - Rose/Butler/Gasol
9. 2007 Nets - Kidd, Carter, Jefferson
10. 2013 Pacers - George/Hibbert/Stephenson/Hill
10. 2014 Nets - Pierce/Joe Johnson/Deron/Garnett

[LeCroix]

1. 2016 Warriors - 73 wins, would have 4-peated
2. 2013 Spurs - Duncan, Parker, Kawhi - 6 FMVPs
3. 2012 Thunder - Durant, Westbook, Harden - 3 MVPs
4. 2007 Pistons - Billups/Rip/Wallace/Webber/Prince
5. 2011 Celtics - Pierce/Garnett/Rondo/Allen
6. 2012 Celtics - Pierce/Garnett/Rondo/Allen
7. 2016 Raptors - Derozan/Lowry
8. 2015 Bulls - Rose/Butler/Gasol
9. 2007 Nets - Kidd, Carter, Jefferson
10. 2013 Pacers - George/Hibbert/Stephenson/Hill
10. 2014 Nets - Pierce/Joe Johnson/Deron/Garnett

The #10 team might even be better then the #1 team Michael defeated. MJ is still 6 for 6, wont change a thing.

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

1. 2016 Warriors - 73 wins, would have 4-peated
2. 2013 Spurs - Duncan, Parker, Kawhi - 6 FMVPs
3. 2012 Thunder - Durant, Westbook, Harden - 3 MVPs
4. 2007 Pistons - Billups/Rip/Wallace/Webber/Prince
5. 2011 Celtics - Pierce/Garnett/Rondo/Allen
6. 2012 Celtics - Pierce/Garnett/Rondo/Allen
7. 2016 Raptors - Derozan/Lowry
8. 2015 Bulls - Rose/Butler/Gasol
9. 2007 Nets - Kidd, Carter, Jefferson
10. 2013 Pacers - George/Hibbert/Stephenson/Hill
10. 2014 Nets - Pierce/Joe Johnson/Deron/Garnett

Pales in comparison to who Jordan beat


-93 Phoenix Suns
-98 Utah Jazz
-92 Portland Trail Blazers
-97 Utah Jazz
-92 New York Knicks
-96 Seattle SuperSonics
-98 Indiana Pacers
-96 Orlando Magic
-91 Detroit Pistons
93 Suns - Barkley/Johnson/Majerle/Dumas/Chambers/Ceballos/Ainge

98 Jazz - Malone/Stockton/Hornacek/Russell

92 Trail Blazers - Drexler/Porter/Kersey/Duckworth/Robinson/Ainge

97 Jazz - Malone/Stockton/Hornacek/Russell

92 Knicks - Ewing/X-Man/Starks/Wilkins/Jackson/Mason/Oakley

96 SuperSonics - Payton/Kemp/Schrempf/Hawkins/Perkins/McMillan

98 Pacers -Reggie/Jackson/Davis/Mullin/Smits/Davis/Rose

96 Magic - Shaq/Penny/3-D/Anderson/Horace

91 Pistons - Zeke/Dumars/Laimbeer/Vinnie/Worm/Aguire

97 Heat - Zo/Hardaway/Mashburn/Majerle

[SATAN]

Terry Porter was a good player. So was Robinson. The Blazers were a good team at the time. What ****ing planet do some of you guys live on?

[Jay-B]

93 suns
91 pistons
98 pacers
93 Knicks especially being down 0-2 only series I think the bulls were ever down2 games in the championship run version of bulls, I think they were down 0-1 in one of the jazz series too.

[ninephive]

Pales in comparison to who Jordan beat


93 Suns - Barkley/Johnson/Majerle/Dumas/Chambers/Ceballos/Ainge

98 Jazz - Malone/Stockton/Hornacek/Russell

92 Trail Blazers - Drexler/Porter/Kersey/Duckworth/Robinson/Ainge

97 Jazz - Malone/Stockton/Hornacek/Russell

92 Knicks - Ewing/X-Man/Starks/Wilkins/Jackson/Mason/Oakley

96 SuperSonics - Payton/Kemp/Schrempf/Hawkins/Perkins/McMillan

98 Pacers -Reggie/Jackson/Davis/Mullin/Smits/Davis/Rose

96 Magic - Shaq/Penny/3-D/Anderson/Horace

91 Pistons - Zeke/Dumars/Laimbeer/Vinnie/Worm/Aguire

97 Heat - Zo/Hardaway/Mashburn/Majerle
Never seen a list with more ringless first options.

[Axe]

1. 2016 Warriors - 73 wins, would have 4-peated
2. 2013 Spurs - Duncan, Parker, Kawhi - 6 FMVPs
3. 2012 Thunder - Durant, Westbook, Harden - 3 MVPs
4. 2007 Pistons - Billups/Rip/Wallace/Webber/Prince
5. 2011 Celtics - Pierce/Garnett/Rondo/Allen
6. 2012 Celtics - Pierce/Garnett/Rondo/Allen
7. 2016 Raptors - Derozan/Lowry
8. 2015 Bulls - Rose/Butler/Gasol
9. 2007 Nets - Kidd, Carter, Jefferson
10. 2013 Pacers - George/Hibbert/Stephenson/Hill
10. 2014 Nets - Pierce/Joe Johnson/Deron/Garnett
No mention of the horford/brown/tatum-led celtics with an injured hayward/irving? Nor is the bradley/thomas-led Cs? Lmao.

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

Never seen a list with more ringless first options.

Yeah and that's all thanks to one guy and I think you know who I'm talking about.

Meanwhile you have LeChoke giving the Finals MVP to opposing SF (Iguodala/Leonard/Durant x2)

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

1980 - Lakers

1981 - Celtics

1982 - Lakers

1983 - 76ers

1984 - Celtics

1985 - Lakers

1986 - Celtics

1987 - Lakers

1988 - Lakers

1989 - Pistons
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1990 - Pistons

1991 - Bulls

1992 - Bulls

1993 - Bulls

1994 - Rockets

1995 - Rockets

1996 - Bulls

1997 - Bulls

1998 - Bulls

1999 - Spurs
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2000 - Lakers

2001 - Lakers

2002 - Lakers

2003 - Spurs

2004 - Pistons

2005 - Spurs

2006 - Heat

2007 - Spurs

2008 - Celtics

2009 - Lakers
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2010 - Lakers

2011 - Mavericks

2012 - Heat

2013 - Heat

2014 - Spurs

2015 - Warriors

2016 - Cavaliers

2017 - Warriors

2018 - Warriors

2019 - Raptors

[Summary]: (80s - Lakers 5/10 Championships) (90s - Bulls 6/10 Championships) (00s - Lakers 4/10 Championships) (10s - Warriors 3/10 Championships)

Jordan dominated his era,LeBron didn't

[r0drig0lac]

Sonics

[LeCroix]

Sonics

They had a strong big 3 cast of Glove, Kemp in prime, and Detlef but they only made 1 Finals as a span of how many years?

Otoh the Suns from 1993 year had prime mvp sir charles with KJ and all defense defender Dan Majerle.

[AlternativeAcc.]

I've yet to see a definitive or conclusive answer here. Seems like people are desperately trying to scrounge up a name that fits the question "who was the best team?" but there isn't one to be found. Hard to find a best team when all the teams in the running are mediocre in the grand scheme of basketball history.

[Hey Yo]

1. 2016 Warriors - 73 wins, would have 4-peated
2. 2013 Spurs - Duncan, Parker, Kawhi - 6 FMVPs
3. 2012 Thunder - Durant, Westbook, Harden - 3 MVPs
4. 2007 Pistons - Billups/Rip/Wallace/Webber/Prince
5. 2011 Celtics - Pierce/Garnett/Rondo/Allen
6. 2012 Celtics - Pierce/Garnett/Rondo/Allen
7. 2016 Raptors - Derozan/Lowry
8. 2015 Bulls - Rose/Butler/Gasol
9. 2007 Nets - Kidd, Carter, Jefferson
10. 2013 Pacers - George/Hibbert/Stephenson/Hill
10. 2014 Nets - Pierce/Joe Johnson/Deron/Garnett
I'd have the 2011, 62 win #1 seeded Bulls over the 2015 Bulls.

Plus considering the Cavs injuries, (no Love and Kyrie only 2gms) I'd have the 2015, 60 win #1 seeded Hawks over the 2014 Nets

[Round Mound]

96 Sonics

[Axe]

I've yet to see a definitive or conclusive answer here. Seems like people are desperately trying to scrounge up a name that fits the question "who was the best team?" but there isn't one to be found. Hard to find a best team when all the teams in the running are mediocre in the grand scheme of basketball history.
Well duh, of course you'd never find one at all and you won't be satisfied since you mudslingers know for a fact that any of those six opposing teams he faced in six different finals haven't beaten them at all. So therefore, in your ridiculous perspective, those six teams are simply mediocre teams.

It's basically like saying the spurs never faced any tough competition at all during their first four finals appearances. That is, if you despise them a lot.

[Shooter]

The John Starks Knicks or the Jeff Hornacek Jazz prob

[Nashty]

Weak era, Mario Hezonja would be the GOAT if he played in that weak era.

[ZenMaster7210]

Yeah and that's all thanks to one guy and I think you know who I'm talking about.

Meanwhile you have LeChoke giving the Finals MVP to opposing SF (Iguodala/Leonard/Durant x2)

DAMN! YOU DESTROYED THAT BOY.:oldlol::pimp:

[BigShotBob]

"If Lebron lost to a team they're legendary, but if MJ beat a team it's because they're not that good" :roll: :roll:

[Roundball_Rock]

That there is no answer speaks for itself: there was parity in the second tier behind the Chicago juggernaut.

[BigShotBob]

That there is no answer speaks for itself: there was parity in the second tier behind the Chicago juggernaut.

*Jordan juggernaut. Jordan was the difference.

GOAT

[ZenMaster7210]

*Jordan juggernaut. Jordan was the difference.

GOAT

Exactly! JORDAN was the Juggernaut. He was the difference.

[Lebron23]

Badboys Pistons. Ordan was 1-3 vs them.

[Roundball_Rock]

Yeah, if you put a GOAT candidate on a team that was a contender without him it becomes an unbeatable juggernaut. Glad we all agree. :cheers:

[BigShotBob]

Yeah, if you put a GOAT candidate on a team that was a contender without him it becomes an unbeatable juggernaut. Glad we all agree. :cheers:

But.....Jordan's still the GOAT

[getting_old]

Sure wasn't....

The Magic Lakers
The Bird Celtics
The Bad Boy Pistons

he had to sit there patiently for those three multi-championship teams to disappear.

[Shooter]

Probably the John Starks Knicks or the Mark Price Cavs

[And1AllDay]

we figure this out yet ?

[8Ball]

98' Pacers
89' Cavs (#1 SRS, Big 4)

But the issue is that it was generally a 2-star vs 2-star format... So the teams don't look as talented as the 3-star vs 3-star format of recent years..

anyone complaining about lebron's comp is wrong because lebron had his own super-teams to face his comp.. he only faced more on-paper talent in 07', 15' 18'.

Anyone claiming 17' is wrong and simply too accustomed to lebron having mediocre underdogs with super-teams

Oh God.

Imagine 98 pacers being the best team they throw at LeBron.

Modern day Raptors led by discount klay thomson.

[Baller789]

On paper, probably the Orlando Magic.

[Manny98]

On paper, probably the Orlando Magic.
Missing their 3rd best player...

[Baller789]

Missing their 3rd best player...

Yep. But that Magic team sure was nice.

Theyd still probably lose to the Bulls in 6 tho.

[3ball]

Oh God.

Imagine 98 pacers being the best team they throw at LeBron.

Modern day Raptors led by discount klay thomson.

The 98' Pacers were a top 5 SRS team, where Pippen averaged 16 on 39%

When did lebron beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick?... aka when did he have a carry-job against a good team?

Also, the 89' Cavs were #1 SRS, #2 defense, +800 preseason odds and 3 all-stars - that's a better team than lebron ever beat in the East - no team that lebron beat ranks as high in 2 of those categories, let alone all 4 (SRS, defense, preseason odds, all-stars)

[SouBeachTalents]

The 98' Pacers were a top 5 SRS team, where Pippen averaged 16 on 39%

When did lebron beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick?... aka when did he have a carry-job against a good team?

Also, the 89' Cavs were #1 SRS, #2 defense, +800 preseason odds and 3 all-stars - that's a better team than lebron ever beat in the East - no team that lebron beat ranks as high in 2 of those categories, let alone all 4 (SRS, defense, preseason odds, all-stars)
Pippen averaged 16.6, Reggie averaged 17.4

[And1AllDay]

Oh God.

Imagine 98 pacers being the best team they throw at LeBron.

Modern day Raptors led by discount klay thomson.
issa feast every year if so

:dancin

[And1AllDay]

The 98' Pacers were a top 5 SRS team, where Pippen averaged 16 on 39%

When did lebron beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick?... aka when did he have a carry-job against a good team?

Also, the 89' Cavs were #1 SRS, #2 defense, +800 preseason odds and 3 all-stars - that's a better team than lebron ever beat in the East - no team that lebron beat ranks as high in 2 of those categories, let alone all 4 (SRS, defense, preseason odds, all-stars)

you know you gottem big shook when you hear 89 cavs as a last resort :roll::oldlol:

https://i.postimg.cc/wMJB1NnJ/Are-You-Okay.jpg

[8Ball]

The 98' Pacers were a top 5 SRS team, where Pippen averaged 16 on 39%

When did lebron beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick?... aka when did he have a carry-job against a good team?

Also, the 89' Cavs were #1 SRS, #2 defense, +800 preseason odds and 3 all-stars - that's a better team than lebron ever beat in the East - no team that lebron beat ranks as high in 2 of those categories, let alone all 4 (SRS, defense, preseason odds, all-stars)



Reggie Miller in 1998 ECF:

17.4 ppg on 41% :lol
2 assists per game :lol
1.6 rebounds per game :lol

Reggie Miller at his peak.... :roll:

They would throw Jimmy Butler in the ocean in Miami if he played like that.

[3ball]

you know you gottem big shook when you hear 89 cavs as a last resort :roll::oldlol:

https://i.postimg.cc/wMJB1NnJ/Are-You-Okay.jpg

When did lebron win a Finals or beat a top team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick?

Lebron simply never had a carry-job against a good team

And I bring up the 89' Cavs because they're superior to any team lebron beat in the East.. Jordan beat them with a low seed... aka the 88-90' bulls win the East every year from 09-19'

[8Ball]

Reggie Miller in 1998 ECF:

17.4 ppg on 41%
2 assists per game
1.6 rebounds per game

[3ball]

Reggie Miller in 1998 ECF:

17.4 ppg on 41%
2 assists per game
1.6 rebounds per game

^^^ Another guy that MJ locked down.. MJ always held his man to 33-43% shooting, even against Drexler or Magic

Otoh, pippen let Marc Jackson (slowest PG ever) get above his regular season numbers - Mark averaged 10 on 43% (8 on 41% in regular season)

[8Ball]

^^^ Another guy that MJ locked down.. MJ always held his man to 33-43% shooting, even against Drexler or Magic

Otoh, pippen let Marc Jackson (slowest PG ever) get above his regular season numbers - Mark averaged 10 on 43% (8 on 41% in regular season)

Reggie Miller round 1 of playoffs 1998:

18ppg on 41%
3 assists ppg
2 rebounds ppg

Didn't take much to lockdown Jordan's fiercest eastern nemesis in the 90s. :roll:

[And1AllDay]

Reggie Miller in 1998 ECF:

17.4 ppg on 41%
2 assists per game
1.6 rebounds per game

the mj formula

Low efficiency, no asts or rebs

just shoot! :oldlol:

mile was a discount iverson w/o pippen

[3ball]

Reggie Miller round 1 of playoffs 1998:

18ppg on 41%
3 assists ppg
2 rebounds ppg

Didn't take much to lockdown Jordan's fiercest eastern nemesis in the 90s. :roll:

Lebron has numerous series of 18-22 ppg

So he's easy to lock down too

Wade, Kyrie, and AD led lebron in scoring for 3 series EACH

[And1AllDay]

Lebron has numerous series of 18-22 ppg

So he's easy to lock down too

Wade, Kyrie, and AD led lebron in scoring for 3 series EACH

wow and still

7500 > 5900

next

[8Ball]

Lebron has numerous series of 18-22 ppg

So he's easy to lock down too

Wade, Kyrie, and AD led lebron in scoring for 3 series EACH

Reggie Miller 1 year later against the Knicks:

16 ppg 37%
2 assists p/g
3 rebounds p/g

Reggie Miller career playoffs:

20ppg
2.5 assists
2.9 rebounds

:roll:

Paul George career playoffs:

20ppg
7 rebounds
4 assists

Paul George >>>>>> Reggie Miller by a grand canyon

[Baller789]

wow and still

7500 > 5900

next

Posting unrelated longevity stats to an argument.
*Sighs*

[3ball]

wow and still

7500 > 5900

next

Miller scored 3000 more than Bird but everyone knows bird was the far better scorer

It's the same for lebron vs MJ.. everyone knows that MJ was a much better scorer

And the per game stats tell the story clearly

PPG is the real record for smart people.. but for you, miller > bird

[Smoke117]

Miller scored 3000 more than Bird but everyone knows bird was the far better scorer

It's the same for lebron vs MJ.. everyone knows that MJ was a much better scorer

1-9

[8Ball]

the mj formula

Low efficiency, no asts or rebs

just shoot! :oldlol:

mile was a discount iverson w/o pippen

Just imagine Duncan Robinson scoring 5 more ppg.

That's Reggie Miller right there.

2 assists, 2 rebounds means you are completely invisible in the entire game except when you heave up a shot.

Or a slightly better JJ Reddick. Also 2 and 2 for assists and rebounds / game. Basically Reggie Miller rich man's JJ reddick. And a rich man's Duncan Robinson.

[Baller789]

1-9

Another mindless 1-9 poster who falls to the same pit over and over.

I swear these guys are like lambs to the slaughter.

[Baller789]

Just imagine Duncan Robinson scoring 5 more ppg.

That's Reggie Miller right there.

2 assists, 2 rebounds means you are completely invisible in the entire game except when you heave up a shot.

Aaaaand here he goes comparing stats in different eras.

You guys should use some brain power for once.

[3ball]

Another mindless 1-9 poster who falls to the same pit over and over.

I swear these guys are like lambs to the slaughter.

That's their "I'm defeated you win" response

[Smoke117]

Another mindless 1-9 poster who falls to the same pit over and over.

I swear these guys are like lambs to the slaughter.

You realize that we only ever really say this to the deranged 3ball, right? Moron.

[And1AllDay]

Miller scored 3000 more than Bird but everyone knows bird was the far better scorer

It's the same for lebron vs MJ.. everyone knows that MJ was a much better scorer

And the per game stats tell the story clearly

PPG is the real record for smart people.. but for you, miller > bird

playoffs

keep up old man

[Baller789]

You realize that we only ever really say this to the deranged 3 ball, right? Moron.
Nope. You and your boyfriends practically post it everywhere you should ask the city for a permit.

[8Ball]

Aaaaand here he goes comparing stats in different eras.

You guys should use some brain power for once.

Reggie Miller 2 assists / 2 rebounds in the 90s would turn into 3 assists / 3 rebounds after we give a generous 50% bump. :roll:

[And1AllDay]

Reggie Miller 2 assists / 2 rebounds in the 90s would turn into 3 assists / 3 rebounds after we give a generous 50% bump. :roll:

:roll::roll::oldlol:

[3ball]

Nope. You and your boyfriends practically post it everywhere you should ask the city for a permit.

Lol

Catching the little kid in a lie

hilarious

[And1AllDay]

Reggie Miller 2 assists / 2 rebounds in the 90s would turn into 3 assists / 3 rebounds after we give a generous 50% bump. :roll:

#90s ball

:roll:

[Baller789]

Reggie Miller 2 assists / 2 rebounds in the 90s would turn into 3 assists / 3 rebounds after we give a generous 50% bump. :roll:

It's obvious you don't know sh!t about that Pacers team.

[8Ball]

That's their "I'm defeated you win" response

Reggie Miller 1998 ECF:

18ppg on 41%
3 assists ppg
2 rebounds ppg

Reggie Miller 1999 ECSF:

16 ppg 37%
2 assists p/g
3 rebounds p/g

Reggie Miller 1998 1st round:

16 ppg 37%
2 assists p/g
3 rebounds p/g


:roll:

[Baller789]

Reggie Miller 1998 ECF:

18ppg on 41%
3 assists ppg
2 rebounds ppg

Reggie Miller 1999 ECSF:

16 ppg 37%
2 assists p/g
3 rebounds p/g

Reggie Miller 1998 1st round:

16 ppg 37%
2 assists p/g
3 rebounds p/g


:roll:

*Facepalms*

[8Ball]

:roll::roll::oldlol:

They want to talk about stats across eras yet I'll give Reggie Miller's entire career assists and rebounds a 50% bump and Reggie Miller still sucks. :roll:

LOL

[8Ball]

It's obvious you don't know sh!t about that Pacers team.

I'll take 2020 Miami Heat any day all day.

[And1AllDay]

Reggie Miller 1998 ECF:

18ppg on 41%
3 assists ppg
2 rebounds ppg

Reggie Miller 1999 ECSF:

16 ppg 37%
2 assists p/g
3 rebounds p/g

Reggie Miller 1998 1st round:

16 ppg 37%
2 assists p/g
3 rebounds p/g


:roll:

this was mikes biggest comp

wow ive seen enough mike isnt top 5

[Smoke117]

Lol

Catching the little kid in a lie

hilarious

little kid? lol How old do you think I am?

[Baller789]

They want to talk about stats across eras yet I'll give Reggie Miller's entire career assists and rebounds a 50% bump and Reggie Miller still sucks. :roll:

LOL

You poor uninformed trolls. I could elaborate why your post is so ignorant. But it would just go over your head. So meh.

[And1AllDay]

reggie the 16 ppg assassin

sounds like a danny granger to me

[8Ball]

reggie the 16 ppg assassin

sounds like a danny granger to me

Now all of a sudden 3ball doesn't like the ppg argument anymore :lol

[Baller789]

reggie the 16 ppg assassin

sounds like a danny granger to me
Well Jason Terry averaged 15pts 2rebs 3ast.

Look at what he did to Lebron. LMAO!

Your posting Reggies stats sure is stupid.

[dankok8]

There was a lot of good teams... You can't really pick the best one.

[Marchesk]

Several of of those teams were better than the 2011 Mavs.

[3ball]

Did any team that lebron beat in the East have the #1 SRS or 3 all-stars?

Accordingly, no Eastern team that he beat can match the 89' Cavs, who had the #1 SRS and 3 all-stars (plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper).. Jordan beat these guys with a low seed and Pippen getting 15 on 40%.

89' Bulls... #10 SRS... #11 defense... #6 seed... 15 on 40% from Pip.. defeated #1 SRS
09' Cavs..... #1 SRS..... #3 defense... #1 seed... 18 on 38% from Mo...... lost to #4 SRS


Since the 89' Bulls beat the "big 4" and #1 SRS Cavs, they would beat the #4 SRS Magic in 09', or the #6 SRS Pistons in 07'... And every Eastern opponent of lebron from 11-18'

[madmax]

reggie the 16 ppg assassin

sounds like a danny granger to me

dayum, so you guys are telling me anorexic ass Reggie was the baddest and best competition Boldan faced in the 90's East?
wow, in that case basketball must really have sucked donkey balls back then...:eek:

[97 bulls]

I've yet to see a definitive or conclusive answer here. Seems like people are desperately trying to scrounge up a name that fits the question "who was the best team?" but there isn't one to be found. Hard to find a best team when all the teams in the running are mediocre in the grand scheme of basketball history.

It's all subjective. Take the Utah Jazz. If they beat Chicago both times, then they have arguably 4 Hofers (Malone, Stockton, Sloan and Hornacek. Not to mention the Jazz in 97 bested the Houston Rockets with 3 Hall of Famers, and The LA Lakers with 4 All-Stars.

[8Ball]

Did any team that lebron beat in the East have the #1 SRS or 3 all-stars?

Accordingly, no Eastern team that he beat can match the 89' Cavs, who had the #1 SRS and 3 all-stars (plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper).. Jordan beat these guys with a low seed and Pippen getting 15 on 40%.

89' Bulls... #10 SRS... #11 defense... #6 seed... 15 on 40% from Pip.. defeated #1 SRS
09' Cavs..... #1 SRS..... #3 defense... #1 seed... 18 on 38% from Mo...... lost to #4 SRS


Since the 89' Bulls beat the "big 4" and #1 SRS Cavs, they would beat the #4 SRS Magic in 09', or the #6 SRS Pistons in 07'... And every Eastern opponent of lebron from 11-18'

Jordan's toughest eastern opponent:

Reggie Miller 1998 ECF:

18ppg on 41%
3 assists ppg
2 rebounds ppg

Reggie Miller 1999 ECSF:

16 ppg 37%
2 assists p/g
3 rebounds p/g

Reggie Miller 1998 1st round:

16 ppg 37%
2 assists p/g
3 rebounds p/g

[72-10]

Badboys Pistons. Ordan was 1-3 vs them.

they weren't fooling around with that halfcourt d

only championship team since to win by holding their opponents under 100 points

[Baller789]

Jordan's toughest eastern opponent:

Reggie Miller 1998 ECF:

18ppg on 41%
3 assists ppg
2 rebounds ppg

Reggie Miller 1999 ECSF:

16 ppg 37%
2 assists p/g
3 rebounds p/g

Reggie Miller 1998 1st round:

16 ppg 37%
2 assists p/g
3 rebounds p/g

Jason Terry
15pts.
2rebs.
3ast.

4 rings

With 6 participation trophies

Embarassing.

But hey 1-9 eh?

[72-10]

'96 Sonics
'98 Jazz
'97 Jazz
'96 Magic
'92 Knicks
'93 Suns

these were all great teams - the '94 Knicks were greater than the '92 Knicks, but of course Jordan didn't play for the Bulls then, and the Bulls lost to the Knicks in 9-4. By the way, the '92 Knicks could cook.

The nearly perennial postseason matchups with the Knicks really might have been the best the Bulls ever faced outside of Finals competition, although the Magic's length, athleticism and speed of ball movement makes up for what the Knicks did defensively as a unit locking down a team that otherwise peppered opponents with nightly mid-range shooting displays, not to mention those Knicks teams were so deep with talent that they could almost sub at will the players around the defensive anchor Ewing.

[8Ball]

Jason Terry
15pts.
2rebs.
3ast.

4 rings

With 6 participation trophies

Embarassing.

But hey 1-9 eh?

Dirk Nowitzki 2011 finals:

26/10

Reggie Miller 1998 ECF:

18ppg on 41%
3 assists ppg
2 rebounds ppg


You forgot who was playing on the Dallas Mavericks. :roll:

[Baller789]

Dirk Nowitzki 2011 finals:

26/10

Reggie Miller 1998 ECF:

18ppg on 41%
3 assists ppg
2 rebounds ppg


You forgot who was playing on the Dallas Mavericks. :roll:

You also have no idea how that Pacers team played.
1-9 get back in my pocket

[8Ball]

Jason Terry 2011 finals:

18/3/2 on 48%

Reggie Miller 1998 ECF:

18ppg on 41%
3 assists ppg
2 rebounds ppg

Jason Terry 2011 > Reggie Miller playoff career. Looks like Reggie Miller for his career played a bit worst than Jason Terry in 2011 finals. :roll:

Who were these monsters HOFs that Jordan faced in the East in the 90s? Jason Terry's? Discount Klay Thomson's? :roll:

[8Ball]

You also have no idea how that Pacers team played.
1-9 get back in my pocket

Thank you for bringing up JASON TERRY.

Jason Terry 2011 finals:

18/3/2 on 48%

Reggie Miller 1998 ECF:

18ppg on 41%
3 assists ppg
2 rebounds ppg

:roll:

[Baller789]

Thank you for bringing up JASON TERRY.

Jason Terry 2011 finals:

18/3/2 on 48%

Reggie Miller 1998 ECF:

18ppg on 41%
3 assists ppg
2 rebounds ppg

:roll:

Thank you for bringing up Jason Terry.

Nba Finals 2011: "Can Lebron James stop Jason Terry?".

Lololololololol!!!

[8Ball]

You also have no idea how that Pacers team played.
1-9 get back in my pocket

Indiana Pacers regular season wins starting 1990-2003

42, 41, 40, 41, 47, 52, 52, 39, 58, 33, 56, 41, 42 , 48.

"no idea how that Pacers team played" = Barely a 50 win team most seasons. :roll:


So the toughest team Jordan played in the East had its best player as Jason Terry that could barely win 50 games in most seasons. :roll:

"Who was the best team Jordan ever beat in the playoffs?" :lol

[8Ball]

Thank you for bringing up Jason Terry.

Nba Finals 2011: "Can Lebron James stop Jason Terry?".

Lololololololol!!!

Best player on the Mavs: Dirk :applause:

Best player on Indiana Pacers: Reggie Miller :roll:

[Baller789]

Indiana Pacers regular season wins starting 1990-2003

42, 41, 40, 41, 47, 52, 52, 39, 58, 33, 56, 41, 42 , 48.

"no idea how that Pacers team played" = Barely a 50 win team most seasons. :roll:


So the toughest team Jordan played in the East had its best player as Jason Terry that could barely win 50 games in most seasons. :roll:

"Who was the best team Jordan ever beat in the playoffs?" :lol
You still havent answered how that Pacers team played
You obviously just Googled your info.

Lololol!

[Shooter]

Thank you for bringing up JASON TERRY.

Jason Terry 2011 finals:

18/3/2 on 48%

Reggie Miller 1998 ECF:

18ppg on 41%
3 assists ppg
2 rebounds ppg

:roll:

HOLD UP

Wasn't Reggie a 1st option and Jason a 2nd option?

:biggums:

[8Ball]

HOLD UP

Wasn't Reggie a 1st option and Jason a 2nd option?

:biggums:

Yeah Egokiller is comparing 1st options to 2nd options.

Dude is losing it :roll:

[Baller789]

HOLD UP

Wasn't Reggie a 1st option and Jason a 2nd option?

:biggums:

Thats even worse.

2011 NBA Finals: "Can Lebron James stop 2nd option Jason Terry?"

Pure gold!

[8Ball]

You still havent answered how that Pacers team played
You obviously just Googled your info.

Lololol!

I answered it:

"no idea how that Pacers team played" = Barely a 50 win team most seasons.


I knew they were an overrated team that is only mentioned because they played a series against Jordan and took him to 7 games. Otherwise under Reggie Miller's tenure, they could barely win 50 games most seasons. So basically Jordan's entire east career in the 90s was about as difficult competition wise as LeBron's 2010s east career. Tougher era though :lol

[3ball]

anorexic ass Reggie


:


Reggie vs #1 defense and Finals team to win a playoff game:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-31-2020/jsW5Iw.gif



Curry vs worst defense in regular season garbage time:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-05-2019/545xXv.gif

[Shooter]

Yeah Egokiller is comparing 1st options to 2nd options.

Dude is losing it :roll:

Is that little fakkit hiding behind ANOTHER alt :roll::roll:

[Baller789]

I answered it:

"no idea how that Pacers team played" = Barely a 50 win team most seasons.


I knew they were an overrated team that is only mentioned because they played a series against Jordan and took him to 7 games. Otherwise under Reggie Miller's tenure, they could barely win 50 games most seasons. So basically Jordan's entire east career in the 90s was about as difficult competition wise as LeBron's 2010s east career. Tougher era though :lol

I asked HOW they played?

You keep posting stats which you only know because of Google.

Its obvious you are inept in this matter.

[kawhileonard2]

The 2x Defending Champs Bad Boys and the Showtime Lakers the same playoffs all with the franchise that drafted him without team hopping.

[8Ball]

I asked HOW they played?

You keep posting stats which you only know because of Google.

Its obvious you are inept in this matter.

I answered it:

"no idea how that Pacers team played" = Barely a 50 win team most seasons.

Now tell me HOW they played that led them to be a barely 50 win team most seasons. :oldlol:

[8Ball]

Reggie vs #1 defense and Finals team to win a playoff game:


Reggie Miller is suddenly so good?

Reggie Miller 1998 ECF:

18ppg on 41%
3 assists ppg
2 rebounds ppg

Reggie Miller 1999 ECSF:

16 ppg 37%
2 assists p/g
3 rebounds p/g

Reggie Miller 1998 1st round:

16 ppg 37%
2 assists p/g
3 rebounds p/g

[kawhileonard2]

I answered it:

"no idea how that Pacers team played" = Barely a 50 win team most seasons.

That Pacers team from 2015-2020 gets 65+ wins a season.

[8Ball]

Indiana Pacers regular season wins starting 1990-2003

42, 41, 40, 41, 47, 52, 52, 39, 58, 33, 56, 41, 42 , 48.


BUT THE EAST WAS STACKED.

[Baller789]

I answered it:

"no idea how that Pacers team played" = Barely a 50 win team most seasons.

Now tell me HOW they played that led them to be a barely 50 win team most seasons. :oldlol:

I asked HOW they played.
I didnt ask what their regular season records where.
As I said, your exposing yourself as completeley incompetent in this discussion.

Lebron stan keeps ducking and dodging again.
Pretends to be know 90's basketball and exposes himself as a keyboard warrior. Lol

[8Ball]

I asked HOW they played.
I didnt ask what their regular season records where.
As I said, your exposing yourself as completeley incompetent in this discussion.

Lebron stan keeps ducking and dodging again.
Pretends to be know 90's basketball and exposes himself as a keyboard warrior. Lol

Tell me more about this 90's basketball team that can barely scratch 50 wins most years :roll:

They played like a team that could barely get 50 wins most years. That's how they played. :lol

[Baller789]

Tell me more about this 90's basketball team that can barely scratch 50 wins most years :roll:

They played like a team that could barely get 50 wins most years. That's how they played. :lol

I asked you first.

Now your asking me.

You sir are a tool.

Talk about deflecting. Lolololol.

[Reggie43]

You are clueless if you think that 1998 Pacers team was all about Reggie Miller. He had bigger roles in most years but in 1998 they had great depth and was a great "team" for every sense of the word.

In that 1998 series against the Bulls the heart and soul of the offense (Mark Jackson) got shutdown and their best scorer suffered a significant ankle sprain in game 3 but they still managed to force the Bulls to 7 games because they never really relied on one player to win and could adapt through adversity because they were a fundamentally sound team that was built that way enabling the other guys to step up like Rik Smits, Davis Bros, Jalen Rose and even Travis Best etc.

[8Ball]

Oh so now context matters.

You willing to give context to the 1998 Pacers yet when we ask for context for 2015 finals none is given.

[8Ball]

I asked you first.

Now your asking me.

You sir are a tool.

Talk about deflecting. Lolololol.

Nope.

Its showing you that you don't deserve to have any of your questions answered because you have no intention of any good faith discussions.

[PETRO2222]

Hm...

I would say somethin like this:

1. Utah Jazz 1998 (that team would give many problems to everyone today, strong Karl Malone, with maybe the smartest PG ever Stockton, and ofcourse that team was LOADED with roll players).

2. Seattle SuperSonics 1996 (Payton & Kemp would give anyone run for the money today, insane team also filled with great roll players).

3. Lakers 1991 (Great team, led by Magic, in my opinion that was very very strong team, Magic's IQ and greatness is still unmatched to this day).

4. Blazers 1992 (Today's Blazers team in comparison to this one from 1992 IS A ****ING JOKE, ****ING AND ****ING AND ****ING JOKE).

P.S. All this teams Jordan's faced should play against today's team BY 90'S RULES, I repeat: by 90's rules, not by rules of today's GAY-CUP CAKE-HOMOSEXUAL rules of today's NBA.

I would pay any money I have to see that GREATEST LOOSER of all time (LeBron cry baby), lost 6 finals!!!, to see him against all this teams BY 90'S RULES OF PLAYING.

Fu-ck-ing BI...TCH WOULD CRY ENTIRE GAME.

[Baller789]

Nope.

Its showing you that you don't deserve to have any of your questions answered because you have no intention of any good faith discussions.

Deflect deflect deflect!

Deserve?

More like you have no answer. Youve been ducking and dodging legit questions because you know youll get your sh!t shoved so back your face youd wish you werent a virgin.

[8Ball]

Deflect deflect deflect!

Deserve?

More like you have no answer. Youve been ducking and dodging legit questions because you know youll get your sh!t shoved so back your face youd wish you werent a virgin.

Exactly my point. Your questions don't deserve answers. You have been on a constant meltdown since Oct 11 and we are just pouring gasoline all over you.

The virgin argument. You are so upset at me you need to try to insult me personally and the best you can do is call me a virgin? :roll:

[8Ball]

I would pay any money I have to see that GREATEST LOOSER of all time (LeBron cry baby), lost 6 finals!!!, to see him against all this teams BY 90'S RULES OF PLAYING.

Fu-ck-ing BI...TCH WOULD CRY ENTIRE GAME.

LeQuattro made you upset didn't it. :lol

[Shooter]

LeQuattro made you upset didn't it. :lol

:roll::roll:


That boi FUMING :lol

[Gus Hemmingway]

A team equivalent to the 2018 Raptors

[Shooter]

They're running out of things to say :lol

https://i.postimg.cc/dtcQFy5j/ppgz-89-cavs-lol.png

[3ball]

They're running out of things to say :lol

https://i.postimg.cc/dtcQFy5j/ppgz-89-cavs-lol.png

5 MVP's

6 rings

Offensive standard: #1 scorer

Defense standard: 1st team defense



^^^ lebron is much lower than this

[Shooter]

5 MVP's

6 rings

Offensive standard: #1 scorer

Defense standard: 1st team defense



^^^ lebron is much lower than this

That's a little better, now stop saying ppgz and 89 cavs :lol

As for Offensive standard, NO

LeBron has led his team in Finals scoring 9x, MJ only did this 6x
LeBron also has more points scored, more points scored per playoff run, and more points scored if you only narrow it down to their 10 best season

YOU LOSE THERE :lol

As for 'burden' LeBron made the Finals with a 30.0 PER "burden" MJ only had to carry that load 2x

30.0 PERs thru Finals
LBJ = 6x
MJ = 2x

LBJ's burden is much tougher. Try again.

I'll make you smarter until you realize Bron > Jordan, just hang in there

[72-10]

can't believe I forgot the '98 Pacers

[Reggie43]

Reggie Miller 1998 ECF:

18ppg on 41%
3 assists ppg
2 rebounds ppg

Reggie Miller 1999 ECSF:

16 ppg 37%
2 assists p/g
3 rebounds p/g

Reggie Miller 1998 1st round:

16 ppg 37%
2 assists p/g
3 rebounds p/g


:roll:

Would love to troll like this but I think I will give it a shot and cherry pick a few series

Reggie Miller against the 1993 Knicks (#1 defense in the league)

31.5ppg on 53%fg 53%3p
2.3rebs
4.7asts

Reggie Miller vs 1994 Shaq and Penny Magic

29ppg 55%fg 39%3p
2.7rebs
3.7 asts

Reggie Miller vs. Mvp Iverson's Sixers

31.3ppg 45%fg 43%3p
5 rebs
2.5 asts

I wish I could leave it like that and tell you guys how much better he was than his peers but in reality he was around 24- 25 ppg scorer in his playoff peak on 48%fg 44%3p with his usual 3rebs 3asts (up to age 30 in 49 playoff games)

[8Ball]

Reggie43

That post is a response to every time 3ball talks about Pippen ppg. And how awful Pippen is because he scores 20 ppg on 40%.

[Reggie43]

Reggie43

That post is a response to every time 3ball talks about Pippen ppg. And how awful Pippen is because he scores 20 ppg on 40%.

I know how awful 3ball is and I know how you guys operate i just had to get something in but do carry on lol.

[Shooter]

AIDS era Magic Lakers

Yikes is this it?

[TheGoatest]

They're running out of things to say :lol

https://i.postimg.cc/dtcQFy5j/ppgz-89-cavs-lol.png

:roll:

[AussieSteve]

98' Pacers
89' Cavs (#1 SRS, Big 4)

But the issue is that it was generally a 2-star vs 2-star format... So the teams don't look as talented as the 3-star vs 3-star format of recent years..

anyone complaining about lebron's comp is wrong because lebron had his own super-teams to face his comp.. he only faced more on-paper talent in 07', 15' 18'.

Anyone claiming 17' is wrong and simply too accustomed to lebron having mediocre underdogs with super-teams

This is such horse sh!t.

MJ is the only player in the 90s who was both a first ballot HOF calibre player himself and had a first ballot HOF calibre team mate as a running mate.

All your other "2-star" teams maybe had 2 all stars, but not 2 superstars like the bulls.

There were only a handful of teams in the league who had even one player as good as Pippen. And certainly no teams that had two.

[Shooter]

John Starks Knicks :lol

[999Guy]

Probably the Sonics. But they were injured. Their best defender in Nate McMillan was out half the series. They only started winning with him.

It would be Phoenix too but Kevin Johnson was injured he shouldn’t even have been playing as well as Ceballos.



If you’re looking for a little competition compared to those spurs, Warriors or even 18 Rockets and 19 raptors it doesn’t exist. Jordan didn’t face shit compare to that.

He never once saw prime Hakeem or prime Robinson in a playoff series. He lucked out.

[clipps]

This is such horse sh!t.

MJ is the only player in the 90s who was both a first ballot HOF calibre player himself and had a first ballot HOF calibre team mate as a running mate.

All your other "2-star" teams maybe had 2 all stars, but not 2 superstars like the bulls.

There were only a handful of teams in the league who had even one player as good as Pippen. And certainly no teams that had two.

Scottie Pippin is the most overrate player in NBA history. You're a retard.

[TheMan]

Srs? The '89 Cavs

yea, i've never heard of them either.

That's because you're a hoops noob

[Sulico]

This is such horse sh!t.

MJ is the only player in the 90s who was both a first ballot HOF calibre player himself and had a first ballot HOF calibre team mate as a running mate.

All your other "2-star" teams maybe had 2 all stars, but not 2 superstars like the bulls.

There were only a handful of teams in the league who had even one player as good as Pippen. And certainly no teams that had two.

John Stockton?

[AussieSteve]

Scottie Pippin is the most overrate player in NBA history. You're a retard.

Name a team in the b/w 91 and 98 that had two players as good or better than Pippen.

[AussieSteve]

John Stockton?

Michael Jordan



Karl Malone
Scottie Pippen

John Stockton

[nayte]

Michael Jordan



Karl Malone
Scottie Pippen

John Stockton


Is the current jazz better then them? They are like top of the league right now or so?

[Manny98]

can't believe I forgot the '98 Pacers
Reggie Miller and a bunch of nobodies is the best team MJ ever beat, yikes :oldlol:

[getting_old]

the odd thing is the Hakeem Rockets didn't show up to the Finals when MJ was thriving

[Gimmedarock]

98 Pacers - the best player was Reggie Miller

Virtually every team has 5 Reggie Millers today. I know he was a big game player but his shooting ability wouldn’t be unique now.

[clipps]

Name a team in the b/w 91 and 98 that had two players as good or better than Pippen.

91 Lakers: Magic and Worthy
Shaq and Penny Magic teams
Shawn Kemp and Gary Payton teams
Karl Malone and Gary Payton teams
Larry Johnson and Alonzo Mourning

Not a challenge

:kobe:

[dankok8]

I think the 1996 Sonics are the best. They were a historically good defense that had a lot of offensive weapons in Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp, Detlef Schrempf, Hersey Hawkins, Sam Perkins... For 5 straight seasons they maintained a roughly 60-win +7.5 SRS pace which makes them one of the best teams never to win a championship.

You can make a case for a bunch of other teams but that's my pick.

[getting_old]

Reggie Miller and a bunch of nobodies is the best team MJ ever beat, yikes :oldlol:


MJ patiently waited for Bird and Magic and then the Bad Boys to leave before he could take over. Bird and Magic were cut short by about 6 seasons for differing reasons...

as well Pippen was fragile and the Bad Boys intimidated him like nothing ever seen in pro sports before or since

Rodman and Mahorn would stand at mid-court during layup line and scowl at Pippen, then Pippen would announce he had a migraine and couldn't play today... :D

[3ball]

Reggie Miller and a bunch of nobodies is the best team MJ ever beat, yikes :oldlol:


Lebron's "decision" created a top-heavy league, including a 3-star vs 3-star format in the Finals that Jordan didn't have - Jordan's teams only had 2 stars and faced 2-star opponents because the talent was more evenly-spread around the league (parity)... With only 2 stars required to make the Finals, there were more Finals-caliber teams and therefore a tougher path than Lebron's path, aka being 1 of 2 Finals-caliber teams with "big 3's".. The "parity" that MJ faced has always been the most optimal competitive environment.

It's simply impossible to compare teams in a 2-star vs 2-star format (90's) to a 3-star vs 3-star format (10's) - instead, we should look at which cast faced talent-deficits, and Lebron's rarely did... he was actually the pre-season favorite in 15' and 16' with more experienced, decorated sidekicks than 16' Curry, that still matched up well to KD's sidekicks in 17'.




Reggie Miller and a bunch of nobodies is the best team MJ ever beat, yikes :oldlol:


Lebron had Wade and Bosh, so who cares who he faced - no opponent had as much talent as the Heat.. The Heat simply failed to be the juggernaut that everyone anticipated, so people concluded that future HOF's Wade/Bosh were actually bad players, and all opponents were infact juggernauts.. This line of thinking became the standard in explaining Lebron losses, instead of seeking a legitimate explanation for the consistent losses or underdog status with super-teams.

Ultimately, Lebron hand-picked the pre-season favorite in 11', 15', and 16' but then proceeded to become the Finals underdog and even loser... Essentially, his losing and producing of weaker teams is praised over producing great teams and winning every year (jordan).. its a weird jedi mind trick that has futilely caught on[/QUOTE]

[kawhileonard2]

Man soo many great teams. Beat the Bad Boys and Showtime the same year.

[LAmbruh]

34yo Malone
35yo Stockton
34yo Hornacek
36yo Carr


"The Last Dance"


:yaohappy:
:yaohappy::hammertime:

[3ball]

:facepalm:

[TheGoatest]

34yo Malone
35yo Stockton
34yo Hornacek
36yo Carr


"The Last Dance"


:yaohappy:

They actually tried to spin beating this 10.7 ppg on .411 2nd leading scorer in the finals trash as some kind of a heroic accomplishment in that propaganda series.

And when they interviewed Karl Malone for it and Malone tried to say that the Jazz lost to the "Chicago Bulls" and not "Michael Jordan", they cut that out and left it off the series, because it wasn't pro-Jordan propaganda-y enough. :oldlol:

[3ball]

Michael Jordan



Karl Malone
Scottie Pippen

John Stockton


1997 Finals

Pippen....... 19/7/3 on 42%... last in clutch pts (last 5 within 5)
Stockton.... 15/3/9 on 50%... 2nd in clutch pts



Stockton is one of the many 2nd options to outplay Pippen and was a far superior player.

Ultimately, Pippen was outplayed by 2nd options in the 96' Finals... 96' ECSF... 97' 1st Round... 97' ECF... 97' Finals... 98' ECF... 93' 1st Round... 94' ECSF.... 95' 1st Round... 95' ECSF... 92' ECSF... 90' ECF.... 89' 1st Round... 89' ECF

And more

[kawhileonard2]

They actually tried to spin beating this 10.7 ppg on .411 2nd leading scorer in the finals trash as some kind of a heroic accomplishment in that propaganda series.

And when they interviewed Karl Malone for it and Malone tried to say that the Jazz lost to the "Chicago Bulls" and not "Michael Jordan", they cut that out and left it off the series, because it wasn't pro-Jordan propaganda-y enough. :oldlol:

How did they beat Hakeem, Barkley, Drexler and then Duncan/Robinson and then Shaq/Kobe/Jones/Van Exel? Lebron was losing to Dwight Howard, Dirk Nowitzki as single stars with HCA.

[LAmbruh]

They actually tried to spin beating this 10.7 ppg on .411 2nd leading scorer in the finals trash as some kind of a heroic accomplishment in that propaganda series.

And when they interviewed Karl Malone for it and Malone tried to say that the Jazz lost to the "Chicago Bulls" and not "Michael Jordan", they cut that out and left it off the series, because it wasn't pro-Jordan propaganda-y enough. :oldlol:
:oldlol:

https://64.media.tumblr.com/8d65d7282e439a2ad9ae23a69ec02972/tumblr_nfh4dv21XC1qcmnsoo7_400.gifv

[3ball]

How did the 98' Jazz beat Hakeem/Barkley/Drexler and then Duncan/Robinson and then Shaq/Kobe/Jones/Van Exel? Lebron was losing to Dwight Howard, Dirk Nowitzki as single stars with HCA.


Boom

[3ball]

Lebron's "decision" created a top-heavy league, including a 3-star vs 3-star format in the Finals that Jordan didn't have - Jordan's teams only had 2 stars and faced 2-star opponents because the talent was more evenly-spread around the league (parity)... With only 2 stars required to make the Finals, there were more Finals-caliber teams and therefore a tougher path than Lebron's path (being 1 of 2 Finals-caliber teams with big 3's).. The parity that MJ faced has always been the most optimal competitive environment.

It's simply impossible to compare teams in a 2-star vs 2-star format (90's) to a 3-star vs 3-star format (10's) - instead, we should look at which cast faced talent-deficits, and Lebron's rarely did... he was actually the pre-season favorite in 15' and 16' with more experienced, decorated sidekicks than 16' Curry, that still matched up well to KD's sidekicks in 17'.





Manny?

[DoctorP]

how did they beat hakeem, barkley, drexler and then duncan/robinson and then shaq/kobe/jones/van exel? Lebron was losing to dwight howard, dirk nowitzki as single stars with hca.

bOOM

[DoctorP]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CllRe7KWEAAihOU.jpg

"I need moar help!... guys!!!"

[DoctorP]

https://i.postimg.cc/gjtmM8SY/Cll-Re7-KWEAAih-OU.jpg

"Guys!!!!"

[DoctorP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV9z8czMTLg

[DoctorP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FuYJ1U2YZ8

[Shooter]

15 pages have we gotten an answer yet?

Or are the MJ skidmarks stains shook? :lol

Who was the best team Jordan ever beat in the playoffs?

[Shooter]

They actually tried to spin beating this 10.7 ppg on .411 2nd leading scorer in the finals trash as some kind of a heroic accomplishment in that propaganda series.

And when they interviewed Karl Malone for it and Malone tried to say that the Jazz lost to the "Chicago Bulls" and not "Michael Jordan", they cut that out and left it off the series, because it wasn't pro-Jordan propaganda-y enough. :oldlol:

:roll::roll:

Weak era. 90s era rings are worth 25%

[TheGoatest]

How did they beat Hakeem, Barkley, Drexler and then Duncan/Robinson and then Shaq/Kobe/Jones/Van Exel? Lebron was losing to Dwight Howard, Dirk Nowitzki as single stars with HCA.

Dwight Howard and Dirk Nowitzki > Terry Cummings

Jordan with a 15-13-4 averaging Charles Oakley couldn't get a better record than a team whose best player was Chuck Person. :oldlol:

[BigShotBob]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CllRe7KWEAAihOU.jpg

"I need moar help!... guys!!!"

"GOAT" competition?

[kawhileonard2]

Dwight Howard and Dirk Nowitzki > Terry Cummings

Jordan with a 15-13-4 averaging Charles Oakley couldn't get a better record than a team whose best player was Chuck Person. :oldlol:

Lebron won bronze medal vs Carlos Arroyo. Lebron was guarding Rafer Alston vs Orlando. Lebron couldn't score on JJ Barea. :oldlol::oldlol::oldlol:

[Shooter]

15 pages in...Any answers yet? :lol

Who was the best team Jordan ever beat in the playoffs?

[TheGoatest]

Lebron won bronze medal vs Carlos Arroyo. Lebron was guarding Rafer Alston vs Orlando. Lebron couldn't score on JJ Barea. :oldlol::oldlol::oldlol:

https://images2.imagebam.com/17/47/98/be53dd1373075053.png

[kawhileonard2]

Kawhi wasn't the #1 pick in the draft. Lebron was and won two bronze medals.

[TheGoatest]

LeBron didn't have a 3-1 lead and double digit leads in games 5, 6 and 7. Kawhi did and choked it away.

[Shooter]

16 pages in, have we found an answer

Don't all answer at once MJ skid stains :roll:

[3ba11]

No one would talk about Lebron's Finals comp if the 2016 Finals was a meeting of 2 titans with close odds

But instead, Lebron's preseason favorite fell to massive Finals underdog, and then his fans complained about Finals comp..

This type of fraud is typical of Lebron's career because his resume would be shit without forming super-teams in a conference that Dwight was winning by himself, along with other 1-star teams (Iverson, Kidd).

[TheGoatest]

Some candidates for best teams beaten Jordan extremists like to mention:

Washed 1991 50-32 Pistons who lost in the first round to the Knicks the following season and missed the playoffs completely two seasons later.
1998 Pacers whose best player had a statline of 19.5 ppg, 2.9 rpg and 2.1 apg.

:oldlol: