MJ was going up against GOAT teams like the 86 Celtics with literal crackhead scrubs

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

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Damn crackheads and their coke binges. Basically a team full of 2011 Mavs Lamar Odom for the younger fans

[3ball]

Jordan was unlucky that his 30-40 win teams made the playoffs as 8 seeds, and therefore faced impossible 8 vs 1 matchups

Otoh, Lebron's 30-40 win teams were lucky to miss the playoffs in 04', 05, and 19', thus avoiding impossible 8 vs 1 matchups against the 19' Warriors or 05' Pistons (champs).. he only made the playoffs with high seeds/good teams and therefore missed those impossible 1st round matchups that would've sent him home quickly

So it's just random circumstance that explains why MJ had early exits and lebron's weaker teams avoided this by missing playoffs

[ArbitraryWater]

but he also got swept and wasnt close to winning anyway

[warriorfan]

but he also got swept and wasnt close to winning anyway

Go make more threads about pornstars getting f.ucked too hard you simp

[ArbitraryWater]

Go make more threads about pornstars getting f.ucked too hard you simp

https://i.postimg.cc/9m41nGGC/qweqweqweqwe.png

[3ball]

but he also got swept and wasnt close to winning anyway

MJ got swept with 8 seeds and the worst odds, while Lebron gets swept/record loss with high seeds and good odds

And MJ was never swept 4-0 like Bron

[ArbitraryWater]

MJ got swept with 8 seeds and the worst odds, while Lebron gets swept/record loss with high seeds and good odds

it comes down to the same.

both got swept as heavy underdogs with less talent than the opponent, and put up huge numbers, only LeBron was better.

[3ball]

it comes down to the same.

both got swept as heavy underdogs with less talent than the opponent, and put up huge numbers, only LeBron was better.
44/6/6 on 50% is better than any stats lebron ever had - so no, lebron didn't put up better numbers - MJ literally set the playoff record, which still stands

And Lebron had even odds when he lost by record amount in 2014, while his odds as a 2 seed in 07' were far better than MJ's odds as an 8 seed... (and we know lebron was completely shut down in 07')

Finally, MJ was never swept 4-0 like lebron

So you're wrong about everything

[ArbitraryWater]

44/6/6 on 50% is better than any stats lebron ever had - so no, lebron didn't put up better numbers - MJ literally set the playoff record, which still stands

And Lebron had even odds when he lost by record amount in 2014, while his odds as a 2 seed in 07' were far better than MJ's odds as an 8 seed... (and we know lebron was completely shut down in 07')

Finally, MJ was never swept 4-0 like lebron

So you're wrong about everything

those stats are inflated by one double overtime game in which they got to overtime on a phantom foul call when MJ bricked the big one

you need to apply context, look beyond the mj mythology

they were literally underdogs in 2014

so you're wrong about everything

[3ball]

those stats are inflated by one double overtime game in which they got to overtime on a phantom foul call when MJ bricked the big one

you need to apply context, look beyond the mj mythology

they were literally underdogs in 2014

so you're wrong about everything
MJ had 56 in regulation, so he would've averaged 42 with no OT's.. you're wrong on that one

And the Heat were listed at 20/21 vs Spurs in 2014 - so basically even money.. so ur wrong again

and again, Bron's 2 seed had better odds in 07' than MJ's 8 seeds.. so wrong on everything

Oh, and only lebron got swept 4-0 or completely locked down

[DoctorP]

for the record, they were coke heads


i dont think they were cooking the coke

[ArbitraryWater]

MJ had 56 in regulation, so he would've averaged 42 with no OT's.. you're wrong on that one

And the Heat were listed at 20/21 vs Spurs in 2014 - so basically even money.. so ur wrong again

and again, Bron's 2 seed had better odds in 07' than MJ's 8 seeds.. so wrong on everything

Oh, and only lebron got swept 4-0 or completely locked down


you are literally wrong, when you use words such as "basically" on definitive matters.

good luck, kiddo

[3ball]

you are literally wrong, when you use words such as "basically" on definitive matters.

good luck, kiddo
Lebron had much better odds... Basically even money vs Spurs and better odds as a 2 seed in 07' than MJ's 8 seeds

You're wrong across the board.. :facepalm:

[ArbitraryWater]

Lebron had much better odds... Basically even money vs Spurs and better odds as a 2 seed in 07' than MJ's 8 seeds

You're wrong across the board.. :facepalm:

Listen kiddo, I'm gonna make this simple.

Jordan was 3–7 in playoff series as a Vegas underdog. He won 20 games and lost 30. His greatest underdog achievement was taking the 6-seed Bulls within two games of the ’89 Finals, upsetting two teams along the way. His ’90 Bulls pushed eventual champion Detroit to Game 7, and he won his first title as a slight dog to the veteran Lakers in 1991. He was never an underdog again.

LeBron is 4–6 as a series underdog, with 26 wins and 32 losses. He took the Pistons to Game 7 as a 4-seed in ’06, then upset them as a 2-seed to make the Finals the following season.'

[3ball]

Listen kiddo, I'm gonna make this simple.

Jordan was 3–7 in playoff series as a Vegas underdog. He won 20 games and lost 30. His greatest underdog achievement was taking the 6-seed Bulls within two games of the ’89 Finals, upsetting two teams along the way. His ’90 Bulls pushed eventual champion Detroit to Game 7, and he won his first title as a slight dog to the veteran Lakers in 1991. He was never an underdog again.

LeBron is 4–6 as a series underdog, with 26 wins and 32 losses. He took the Pistons to Game 7 as a 4-seed in ’06, then upset them as a 2-seed to make the Finals the following season.'
So they both have significant achievement as an underdog

I think MJ's were far greater since he was a low seed with an accolade-less cast, while Lebron had high seeds and numerous teammates with accolades.. the high seeds and accolades prove that Bron had better casts relative to his conference than MJ did

but regardless, both did well as underdogs

Now what about when they were a favorite?.. who did better in that capacity?

[ArbitraryWater]

So they both have significant achievement as an underdog

I think MJ's were far greater since he was a low seed with an accolade-less cast, while Lebron had high seeds and numerous teammates with accolades

but it's neither here nor there because they both did well as underdogs

Now what about when they were a favorite?.. who did better in that capacity?

LeBron actually noticeably outdoes him as underdog.

As favorite they did about the same too, when you deduct the whistles MJ/Bulls got ('93 ECF, '97 Finals, '98 Finals).

[3ball]

LeBron actually noticeably outdoes him as underdog.

As favorite they did about the same too, when you deduct the whistles MJ/Bulls got ('93 ECF, '97 Finals, '98 Finals).
^^^ Grasping for straws and reaching

Lebron only had high seeds, so his odds were much better - he was never the dog MJ was

And only lebron lost as the favorite.. many times

And only lebron got locked down... many times

[FromDowntown]

https://i.postimg.cc/9m41nGGC/qweqweqweqwe.png

Career ender

[LAmbruh]

Lebron won titles with JR Smith the Henny Gawd



everyone smoked crack in the 80's, even Bulls opponents so the light disruptions fairly cancels out (crackhead vs crackhead) (welfareman vs welfareman)

[AirBonner]

MJ in 86 had 4 teammates that averaged near 20ppg. But MJ had no help

[Roundball_Rock]

"Scrubs" who were scoring 23 and 16 a night. "Scrubs" like Charles Oakley. What they did off the court is irrelevant to their production on the court.

The way to avoid the Celtics in the first round is to not be the 8 seed.

[3ball]

The way to avoid the Celtics in the first round is to not be the 8 seed


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You mean by missing the playoffs like Lebron did with his 30-40 win teams in 04', 05', and 19'?

That's how lebron's weaker teams avoided opponents like the 19' Warriors or 05' Pistons... Apparently, being a 9 seed is better than sullying your playoff record by being an 8 seed

Given that Lebron's high seeds get swept and lose by record amount, we can assume his low seeds would've done the same.. ultimately, Lebron is lucky his 30-40 win teams missed the playoffs, while MJ was unlucky by making it with those kinds of teams

[Roundball_Rock]

You mean by missing the playoffs like Lebron did with his 30-40 win teams in 04', 05', and 19'?

LeBron came from high school and was drafted by a 17 win team. They doubled their win total to 35 his first year, 42 the next year, 50 the third. Unfortunately, 30 win teams couldn't make the playoffs in the 2000s.

How about MJ? He was drafted by a 27 win team. They won 38 his first year. Three years later...40-42. So no improvement whatsoever. How could a high schooler improve his team and the "GOAT" not be able to?

[3ball]

LeBron came from high school and was drafted by a 17 win team. They doubled their win total to 35 his first year, 42 the next year, 50 the third. Unfortunately, 30 win teams couldn't make the playoffs in the 2000s.

How about MJ? He was drafted by a 27 win team. They won 38 his first year. Three years later...40-42. So no improvement whatsoever. How could a high schooler improve his team and the "GOAT" not be able to?
You miss the point - I'm not knocking Lebron for missing the playoffs - that's not his fault and a function of league size (16 of 30 teams make it today, whereas nearly all teams made it in the 80's, aka 16 of 23 teams in the 80's)

So Jordan got UNLUCKY making the playoffs with his 30-40 win teams (faced 8 vs 1 matchup), while Lebron's 30-40 win teams were LUCKY to miss the playoffs and avoid the 8 vs 1 matchup

Get it?

If lebron had made the playoffs like Jordan's Bulls, Lebron would've lost in the 1st Round too - he would've faced the champion Warriors or Pistons with a worse seed than he ever had.. he simply lucked out and only made the playoffs with high seeds/good teams and easy 1st Rd matchups