Who believes Lebron is GOAT over MJ?

[iamgine]

Lets see how many people feels Lebron has taken the GOAT crown from MJ.

Or if you think someone else is GOAT (ie. Kareem), just vote for whoever's higher in your GOAT list.

[ArbitraryWater]

smh accidentally voted jordan

mods, delete thread

[Jasper]

Lets see how many people feels Lebron has taken the GOAT crown from MJ.

Or if you think someone else is GOAT (ie. Kareem), just vote for whoever's higher in your GOAT list.

two more rings for Bron - and it could be a discussion

[LostCause]

It's pretty crazy how active Twitter is with Jordan GOAT posts

It's really educating the younger generations who didn't really get to see him. A bunch of the youngsters I work with were talking all night in a group chat about it and how they didnt know Jordan was playing with crackheads or broke his foot and had to fight management to be allowed to play just to get to the playoffs and put on a historical performance against the Celtics with a team full of Hall of Famers

I'm curious to see how they're gonna take in the Pistons chapter and Jordan's Point Guard stint (Which I imagine will be covered as well)

[red1]

baldan by a hair no pun intended

[ArbitraryWater]

It's pretty crazy how active Twitter is with Jordan GOAT posts

It's really educating the younger generations who didn't really get to see him. A bunch of the youngsters I work with were talking all night in a group chat about it and how they didnt know Jordan was playing with crackheads or broke his foot and had to fight management to be allowed to play just to get to the playoffs and put on a historical performance against the Celtics with a team full of Hall of Famers

I'm curious to see how they're gonna take in the Pistons chapter and Jordan's Point Guard stint (Which I imagine will be covered as well)

I'm sure the black twitter community with their basic unthoughtful "killer, alpha, clutch, 6/6" drivel is educating generations to come.

Lol.

[ArbitraryWater]

two more rings for Bron - and it could be a discussion

Another idiot ring counter goes down the drain

Like LeBron hasn't amassed as many great finals series as Jordan had by now, but against better opponents as underdog.

[Docs Orders]

social media posts have been raving about Jordan respectfully dropping 2 positions on their all time rankings from #2 to #4


kindergartens in my wifes class were skyping all night how they never knew Bulls made the playoffs with teams 22 games under .500


it will be interesting to see how they soak in James R murder, if they even touch on it


#NotMyGoat trending heavily rn

[LostCause]

I'm sure the black twitter community with their basic unthoughtful "killer, alpha, clutch, 6/6" drivel is educating generations to come.

Lol.

Seeing as being "thoughtful" to you includes feeling some type of way about pornstars having sex, you're not qualified to judge

Anyway, no. If you actually open Twitter you'd see tons of fans/analysts/athletes/celebs making Jordan GOAT posts. Which isn't surprising. You'd have to have been living under a rock to not know Jordan is the consensus GOAT

[Rysio]

LeBron is probably more dominant but hes had a worse career than Jordan.

[scuzzy]

social media posts have been raving about Jordan respectfully dropping 2 positions on their all time rankings from #2 to #4


kindergartens in my wifes class were skyping all night how they never knew Bulls made the playoffs with teams 22 games under .500


it will be interesting to see how they soak in James R murder, if they even touch on it


#NotMyGoat trending heavily rn
1 for 9 popping all up on my FB feed as well

[Manny98]

LeBron because I prefer all around players that are willing to pass and make everyone else around them better

[Jasper]

Another idiot ring counter goes down the drain

Like LeBron hasn't amassed as many great finals series as Jordan had by now, but against better opponents as underdog.

you are probably counting all the Lakers as the best ever..

[bullettooth]

It's entertaining to see all the insecure fakkit LeBron nut huggers get insecure once a TV series about MJ the GOAT comes out.

[Lebron23]

Jordan is 1a and LeBron is 1b.

[FromDowntown]

social media posts have been raving about Jordan respectfully dropping 2 positions on their all time rankings from #2 to #4


kindergartens in my wifes class were skyping all night how they never knew Bulls made the playoffs with teams 22 games under .500


it will be interesting to see how they soak in James R murder, if they even touch on it


#NotMyGoat trending heavily rn

Facts are facts

Just wait until they reveal his competition and HOF Prime help

[LAmbruh]

LeBron because I prefer all around players that are willing to pass and make everyone else around them better

Yup

Like Lambier and many other 80's players have said, i'll take LBJ over MJ 10 out of 10 times every time. "he is better at involving teammates to win"

:pimp:

[3ball]

.
Stats


#1 scoring (PPG)

#1 efficiency rating (PER)

#1 boxscores (BPM)

#1 winning contribution (WS/48)

5 of the top 7 VORP seasons



Skills


#1 clutch

#1 mid-range jumpshooting

#1 post game for non-big

#1 guard defender



Winning


Twice as many "best player" rings as anyone else in 3-pointer basketball/modern era

Goat championship frequency of modern era (6/15)



Accolades


#1 FMVP (twice as many as anyone else)

#1 MVP's in modern era

Most 2-way seasons ever (9 seasons with both 1st team all-nba and defense)

DPOY

10 scoring titles

3 steals titles

Highest combination of usage/ortg ever

Highest points + assists per 100 possessions ever

[Roundball_Rock]

Kareem is the GOAT.

[Roundball_Rock]

Facts are facts

Just wait until they reveal his competition and HOF Prime help

Not sure if they will reveal how much weaker the comp was, though. You know the drill: they hype teams in specific peak years but don't talk about their long term performance and never compare how many HOF each side had.

[dbugz]

LOL

MJ is the GOAT not even close.

Heck even TD and Kobe > LeCallaFriend

:roll::roll:

[RRR3]

I'm sure the black twitter community with their basic unthoughtful "killer, alpha, clutch, 6/6" drivel is educating generations to come.

Lol.
Jesus you’re so racist.

[3ball]

Kareem is the GOAT.





Kareem's Playoff Averages During Various Championship Runs:


1982: 20.0 ppg.. 8.5 rpg... :roll:

1985: 21.0 ppg.. 8.1 rpg... :roll:

1987: 19.2 ppg.. 6.8 rpg... :roll:

1988: 14.1 ppg.. 5.5 rpg... :roll:






Kareem is the GOAT.





Through 13 Seasons Each


REGULAR SEASON

Jordan (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#all_advanced).... 31.5 ppg.. 58.0 ts.. 35.3 usg.. 120 ortg.. 29.1 PER.. 0.274 ws/48.. 9.0 bpm
Kareem (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/abdulka01.html#1970-1982-sum:per_game)... 26.5 ppg.. 59.0 ts.. 25.1 usg.. 118 ortg.. 26.5 PER.. 0.255 ws/48.. 7.9 bpm


PLAYOFFS

Jordan (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#all_playoffs_advanced).... 33.5 ppg.. 56.8 ts.. 35.6 usg.. 118 ortg.. 28.6 PER.. 0.255 ws/48.. 10.1 bpm
Kareem (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/abdulka01.html#1970-1982-sum:playoffs_advanced)... 29.1 ppg.. 56.7 ts.. 26.1 usg.. 118 ortg.. 25.8 PER.. 0.232 ws/48.... 8.7 bpm


FINALS

Jordan'.... 33.5 ppg.. 6 fmvp
Kareem... 26.0 ppg.. 2 fmvp


SUMMARY - jordan has a massive statistical and winning edge over kareem.. this is despite Kareem not winning much in the 70's and playing for himself, while MJ was restricted by a winning system and brand of ball

Obviously, if we included 83-89' for Kareem (his mostly carried years), MJ would've beaten him by even more

* ortg was only available for 78-82' for Kareem, so his high season from that period was used.. bpm was available for 74-82' (most of the period in question), so the average was used






Kareem is the GOAT.



Kareem wasn't in the goat debate for 25 years after MJ retired

He only re-surfaced as a way to help lebron by pretending "well MJ isn't goat anyway.. it's Kareem"

[Axe]

You can't be goat if you're very selfish in the finals, right?

[LeCroix]

Put my vote to Jordan

[knicksman]

jordan can match up with lebrons stats despite playing the right way(not caring about stats). Thats how far jordan is to lebron. Kobe is lesser but plays the right way and hes still a better winner than bron.

[Vino24]

jordan can match up with lebrons stats despite playing the right way(not caring about stats). Thats how far jordan is to lebron. Kobe is lesser but plays the right way and hes still a better winner than bron.
If MJ didn’t care about stats why would he ask game officials at a table what his stats were? MJ stans have amnesia :oldlol:

[knicksman]

Im a troll

I dont have time with guys like you brah. Sorry

[Vino24]

I have an IQ of a potato
We know

[Pipes2.0]

We know

That's an insult to potatoes out there bro.
At least potatoes gives us delicious French fries.
Knicksfag is just filth. A waste of oxygen.

[AlternativeAcc.]

LeBron is winning if you remove the alts that voted for Jordan

14-6 in favor of LeBron

[72-10]

where is the third option, couldn't I at least have a please specify

[sportjames23]

LeBron is winning if you remove the alts that voted for Jordan

14-6 in favor of LeBron

LOL bitch, you know all the alts belong to you Bron stans.

[pauk]

Accolades, Jordan perhaps... but you go the strict accolade road then Bill Russell has something to say... as far as talent/basketball abilities goes i would take guys like Lebron / players like that (Magic/Bird for example) because I prefer all around players that are willing to pass and make everyone else around them better, he is/was that effective-versatile defensively aswell.... i really love to watch Lebrons passing/playmaking the most, reminds of Magic, its the thing that sets him apart from other all-time scorers and probably his best skill....

Interestingly Scottie Pippen thinks Lebron > Jordan in that context aswell.... and he knows more about Jordan than any of you here....

[ArbitraryWater]

19-17, accidentally voted mj

[dbugz]

19-17, accidentally voted mj

even here where there are full of LeCallaFriend fanboys and alts, MJ is still winning

give it up :oldlol: :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

even here where there are full of LeCallaFriend fanboys and alts, MJ is still winning

give it up :oldlol: :oldlol:

:(

NoPipNoISHLead

[SATAN]

Saying "GOAT" is ignorant to start off with. It's quite odd that Jordan has these non basketball dribbling, fashion and pop fans worshiping him and thinking that means they have a higher status then, say...Steph Under Armour Curry. I think that's what it's mainly about. Not basketball. Ignorance will be the downfall of society. Believe it or not LeBron James MIGHT beat him one on one or with a mutually good team. It's possible. Irrational behavior is clamping the casuals' minds (which are MJ's anyway since MJ is their God at any given moment, depending how cool they want to feel).

[RogueBorg]

19-17, accidentally voted mj

No way...not you.

[Overdrive]

Accolades, Jordan perhaps... but you go the strict accolade road then Bill Russell has something to say... as far as talent/basketball abilities goes i would take guys like Lebron / players like that (Magic/Bird for example) because I prefer all around players that are willing to pass and make everyone else around them better, he is/was that effective-versatile defensively aswell.... i really love to watch Lebrons passing/playmaking the most, reminds of Magic, its the thing that sets him apart from other all-time scorers and probably his best skill....

Interestingly Scottie Pippen thinks Lebron > Jordan in that context aswell.... and he knows more about Jordan than any of you here....

That Pippen quote came before some final series either 11 or 12. He retracted it later on. He said he'd chose Michael over Lebron.

smh accidentally voted jordan

mods, delete thread

Freudian slip. Deep down you know Jordan is a better basketball player.

[Cleverness]

jordan.

one guy went 6/6 legendary goat

the other guy went... to different teams, made a career on ring chasing and colluding. "when the going gets tough, leyuan gets going" - pat riley, on lecollusion

[Roundball_Rock]

What I find striking is people who have Kareem, LeBron, Wilt, etc. are GOAT can give you legitimate reasons for it. Most MJ stans will just say "6-0" and fluff like "will to win", "killer instinct" etc.

[LAL]

What I find striking is people who have Kareem, LeBron, Wilt, etc. are GOAT can give you legitimate reasons for it. Most MJ stans will just say "6-0" and fluff like "will to win", "killer instinct" etc.

Why is Lebron goat?

[Leviathon1121]

Nobody has ever given a legit reason for LeBron.

[Axe]

What I find striking is people who have Kareem, LeBron, Wilt, etc. are GOAT can give you legitimate reasons for it. Most MJ stans will just say "6-0" and fluff like "will to win", "killer instinct" etc.
Yeah, we already get that mj is very selfish in the finals. I mean look at that 6-0 record there. That's the proof and therefore, he wouldn't be goat. Nuff said.