Current NBA players voted MJ as the GOAT

[dbugz]

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-news-players-overwhelmingly-vote-michael-jordan-goat-over-lebron-james-kobe-bryant/

Just wanna bring it back

73%

LeCallaFriend with 11% :oldlol:

aint even close

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AllWarlikeGermanpinscher-max-1mb.gif

[scuzzy]

most NBA players in the league were idolized by Jordan propaganda growing up, he was the only star heavily marketed


10 years from now that poll will change


10 years after that the poll will change again


admiring your fav childhood athlete is a generational standard, which is why you see most young rookies now ranking Lebron above the rest

[jlip]

I wonder who was in that 1.7% who voted for Kareem. That or those players either are big men or have taken time to study the history of the game.

[Bronbron23]

most NBA players in the league were idolized by Jordan propaganda growing up, he was the only star heavily marketed


10 years from now that poll will change


10 years after that the poll will change again


admiring your childhood athlete is a generational standard, which is why you see most young rookies now ranking Lebron above the rest

Its gonna change but now how u think. Lebron will drop a few places once hes not relevant anymore. Its hapoened to almost every great other than mj and maybe kareem. Remember when kobe was around his pesk scoring 80 points and scoring consecutive 40 point games there was a debate if kobe was better than mj. Once he got hurt and declined and eventually retired that debate was over. Kobe went from maybe being better than mj to not even in the top 5. Same thing will happen to bron. His 3 chips and many finals loses wont hold up like u think it will.

[SouBeachTalents]

That poll just shows most current players have no more knowledge of the game or it's history than casual fans do. The 3 most popular players getting 95% of the vote, fcking Iverson & Durant getting votes for GOAT :lol

[LostCause]

10 years from now that poll will change


10 years after that the poll will change again


Wishful thinking, but I get why you guys are hoping for it

[dbugz]

That poll just shows most current players have no more knowledge of the game or it's history than casual fans do. The 3 most popular players getting 98% of the vote, fcking Iverson & Durant getting votes for GOAT :lol

yes convince yourself that millennial nerds who are living on their parent's basement are more credible than the a group of person who's actually playing the game.

poll result? nnooottt eveeeen cloossseeee

[sportjames23]

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-news-players-overwhelmingly-vote-michael-jordan-goat-over-lebron-james-kobe-bryant/

Just wanna bring it back

73%

LeCallaFriend with 11% :oldlol:

aint even close

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AllWarlikeGermanpinscher-max-1mb.gif

Dey know

[deathawaitu]

most NBA players in the league were idolized by Jordan propaganda growing up, he was the only star heavily marketed


10 years from now that poll will change


10 years after that the poll will change again


admiring your fav childhood athlete is a generational standard, which is why you see most young rookies now ranking Lebron above the rest

Yup in 10 years Lebron will be around top 20

10 years after maybe maybe top 30.

Unfortunately for Lebron, many years down the road young player just won't idolize him as much as other players since Lebron skillset is really limited.

I guess they could try to copy his flopping and teaming up, but other than that not sure what else Lebron is really good at :confusedshrug:

20 years into the future Jordan will most likely still be argued as the Goat, whereas Lebron will be remembered along side with others greats such as West, Baylor, etc

[scuzzy]

Wishful thinking, but I get why you guys are hoping for it
Anecdotal evidence, I lived through 3+ decades of hoops to see the fanboys come n go in waves

Magic/Bird
Jordan
Kobe
Lebron
Curry
etc
etc

Same undeveloped 10yo brains spoonfed Wheaties boxes each morning

Neo Nazi's lived long in Germany after 1945, incredible propaganda spent indoctrinate german youth in schools during the
Third Reich.

Similar to how poster like yourself don't participate in NBA discussion, unless it involves MJ or 90's competition when you come sprinting in wagging that tail like a good boy.

Nostalgia is a disease, we've yet to find a cure

[3ball]

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Stats


#1 scoring (PPG)

#1 efficiency rating (PER)

#1 boxscores (BPM)

#1 winning contribution (WS/48)

5 of the top 7 VORP seasons



Skills


#1 clutch

#1 mid-range jumpshooting

#1 post game for non-big

#1 guard defender



Winning


Twice as many "best player" rings as anyone else in 3-pointer basketball/modern era

Goat championship frequency of modern era (6/15)



Accolades


#1 FMVP (twice as many as anyone else)

#1 MVP's in modern era

Most 2-way seasons ever (9 seasons with both 1st team all-nba and defense)

DPOY

10 scoring titles

3 steals titles

Highest combination of usage/ortg ever

Highest points + assists per 100 possessions ever..

[3ball]

most NBA players in the league were idolized by Jordan propaganda growing up, he was the only star heavily marketed


10 years from now that poll will change


10 years after that the poll will change again


admiring your fav childhood athlete is a generational standard, which is why you see most young rookies now ranking Lebron above the rest

The poll was the same 25 years ago

MJ has been consensus goat for a while.

[Roundball_Rock]

They also voted Iverson, Durant ahead of Bird, Wilt, Russell, etc. These player rankings are always the same thing: popularity and limited to players of their time, not legitimate analysis of basketball history.

[SouBeachTalents]

They also voted Iverson, Durant ahead of Bird, Wilt, Russell, etc. These player rankings are always the same thing: popularity and limited to players of their time, not legitimate analysis of basketball history.
Exactly, and then retards like OP will respond "But they play the game though!" to try to justify their awful takes :oldlol:

[Phoenix]

most NBA players in the league were idolized by Jordan propaganda growing up, he was the only star heavily marketed


10 years from now that poll will change


10 years after that the poll will change again


admiring your fav childhood athlete is a generational standard, which is why you see most young rookies now ranking Lebron above the rest

Nobody playing today( asides from Vince on his way out) would be old enough to have experienced enough MJ to idolize him like that. Your 30 year old superstars like KD and Harden would have been like 8-10 when MJ retired from the Bulls in 98. Guys in that age would have mostly come up on Kobe in terms of marketing and exposure. Lebron would be for your guys like Trae Young, Luka, up to Giannis ie early to mid 20s. 98% of the league didn't grow up with MJ.

[Docs Orders]

Similar to how poster like yourself don't participate in NBA discussion, unless it involves MJ or 90's competition when you come sprinting in wagging that tail like a good boy.

Nostalgia is a disease, we've yet to find a cure


https://i.postimg.cc/pXDPXHSL/3xf1j9.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Roundball_Rock]

Exactly, and then retards like OP will respond "But they play the game though!" to try to justify their awful takes :oldlol:

Exactly. Iverson is the giveaway. Sorry, if you have Iverson in your top 10 let alone your top 5 you can't be taken seriously.

[QUOTEYour 30 year old superstars like KD and Harden would have been like 8-10 when MJ retired from the Bulls in 98. Guys in that age would have mostly come up on Kobe in terms of marketing and exposure[/QUOTE]

8-10 is still old enough to form impressions but I take your point. The thing is the people who dominate the media are people who either covered MJ or grew up MJ. So if you are KD or Harden turning on the television in 2005 you are hearing how MJ is the clear GOAT, etc. MJ cemented his edge in the 2000s. Shaq never got GOAT hype, Kobe was a sidekick for several years, and LeBron didn't arrive as a superstar until 2006.

MJ still was heavily marketed in the 2000s and still is. His commercials are less common but it's not like MJ disappeared from the spotlight in 1998 the way Kareem did when he retired. When is the last time you watched a sports talk show and they didn't mention MJ?

[Phoenix]

https://i.postimg.cc/pXDPXHSL/3xf1j9.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

I take that amount of dedication as a compliment. Thanks for the support.

[3ball]

.
The players are correct:


https://image.ibb.co/mgzQZb/NBAFINALS.png

[Phoenix]

8-10 is still old enough to form impressions but I take your point. The thing is the people who dominate the media are people who either covered MJ or grew up MJ. So if you are KD or Harden turning on the television in 2005 you are hearing how MJ is the clear GOAT, etc. MJ cemented his edge in the 2000s. Shaq never got GOAT hype, Kobe was a sidekick for several years, and LeBron didn't arrive as a superstar until 2006.

MJ still was heavily marketed in the 2000s and still is. His commercials are less common but it's not like MJ disappeared from the spotlight in 1998 the way Kareem did when he retired. When is the last time you watched a sports talk show and they didn't mention MJ?

True. I guess I'm thinking that from an 'idolization' standpoint hearing about MJ in retrospect wouldn't have the same effect as actually having grown up with him. Like ok, with Kobe around 2006 when he was doing the solo act, guys like KD would be 18. Your really young guys like Luka? MJ would be as much a 'folklore' player as guys like Oscar and Wilt would have been for people who started watching the NBA in the 80s.

[Manny98]

https://i.postimg.cc/pXDPXHSL/3xf1j9.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
:roll::roll::roll:

[scuzzy]

https://i.postimg.cc/pXDPXHSL/3xf1j9.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
mid 80's babies "ol' heads" spitting straight drop "watched MJ live" as a 10yo :bowdown:

Exclusive 90's hoop lectures detailed the same way just as they witnessed it in 6th grade

Discrediting NBA players opinions as agenda driven (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?479183-Bill-Laimbeer-LeBron-is-the-GOAT-over-MJ-and-is-better-at-involving-teammates-to-win&p=13967386&viewfull=1#post13967386)

Proactively attributing Nike sponsored Jordan docs as objective inquiries
(http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?479330-Who-believes-Lebron-is-GOAT-over-MJ&p=13971831&viewfull=1#post13971831)
:oldlol: :rolleyes:

It's okay fellas, we get it

The unbiased MJ fanatic who hasn't watch a lick of hoops since 98. I too remember how the world and life seemed so pleasant in middle school. goat Music, goat Sports, goat Movies, goat Vidyas, etc. Yep Yep Yep. Everything was so great when you haven't experienced enough in life to gauge or compare anything against

Standard generation nostalgia, some people can grow out of it and respect the next generations source of entertainment. Most don't aka "kids these days"

[LostCause]

Anecdotal evidence, I lived through 3+ decades of hoops to see the fanboys come n go in waves

Magic/Bird
Jordan
Kobe
Lebron
Curry
etc
etc

Same undeveloped 10yo brains spoonfed Wheaties boxes each morning

Neo Nazi's lived long in Germany after 1945, incredible propaganda spent indoctrinate german youth in schools during the
Third Reich.

Similar to how poster like yourself don't participate in NBA discussion, unless it involves MJ or 90's competition when you come sprinting in wagging that tail like a good boy.

Nostalgia is a disease, we've yet to find a cure

Word salad

Again, it's wishful thinking. Jordans been retired for over 2 decades now. Still considered the consensus GOAT. At some point that opinion will change, but it's wishful thinking at best believing it'll be 10 years and it's doubtful it'll be LeBron that overtakes him as you're hoping

As for what discussion I participate in... nice try but no. I post what interests me. Like the Giannis DPOY and Bucks defense thread I made a few days ago. Meanwhile, you make very insightful(/s) threads like this (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477861-Charles-Barkley-is-a-poor-mans-Zion-Williamson)

It is what it is

[Phoenix]

mid 80's babies "ol' heads" spitting straight drop "watched MJ live" as a 10yo :bowdown:

Exclusive 90's hoop lectures detailed the same way just as they witnessed it in 6th grade

Discrediting NBA players opinions as agenda driven (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?479183-Bill-Laimbeer-LeBron-is-the-GOAT-over-MJ-and-is-better-at-involving-teammates-to-win/page4)

Proactively attributing Nike sponsored Jordan docs as objective inquiries
(http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?479330-Who-believes-Lebron-is-GOAT-over-MJ&p=13971831&viewfull=1#post13971831)
:oldlol: :rolleyes:

It's okay fellas, we get it

The unbiased MJ fanatic who hasn't watch a lick of hoops since 98. I too remember how the world and life seemed so pleasant in middle school. goat Music, goat Sports, goat Movies, goat Vidyas, etc. Yep Yep Yep. Everything was so great when you haven't experienced enough in life to gauge or compare anything against

Standard generation nostalgia, some people can grow out of it and respect the next generations source of entertainment. Most don't aka "kids these days"

What the hell are you going on about? The vast majority of the current NBA is too young to have seen Bulls MJ. What is incorrect about that statement?

[LostCause]

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:oldlol:

[LAmbruh]

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https://media.giphy.com/media/1d5Zn8FqmJqApu4hNU/giphy.gif

[Phoenix]

:oldlol:

We've arrived when the alts take the time to make specialised pics. Embrace the attention you're getting with the knowledge that most of their posts don't warrant a reply let alone *that* kind of energy.

[ArbitraryWater]

You're not doing yourself a favor bringing this back.

There's Iverson and KD in there.

It just sows the majority of black ballers are uneducated.

[sportjames23]

What the hell are you going on about? The vast majority of the current NBA is too young to have seen Bulls MJ. What is incorrect about that statement?

The vast majority of these troll alts are too young to have seen Bulls MJ.

[ArbitraryWater]

https://i.postimg.cc/pXDPXHSL/3xf1j9.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Lmao Phoenix is alright tho

[LAmbruh]

https://i.postimg.cc/VvvbwcjS/Sport-James-Owned.png

:biggums:

[Stanley Kobrick]

Your 30 year old superstars like KD and Harden would have been like 8-10 when MJ retired from the Bulls in 98. Guys in that age would have mostly come up on Kobe in terms of marketing and exposure

8-10 is still old enough to form impressions but I take your point. The thing is the people who dominate the media are people who either covered MJ or grew up MJ. So if you are KD or Harden turning on the television in 2005 you are hearing how MJ is the clear GOAT, etc. MJ cemented his edge in the 2000s. Shaq never got GOAT hype, Kobe was a sidekick for several years, and LeBron didn't arrive as a superstar until 2006.

MJ still was heavily marketed in the 2000s and still is. His commercials are less common but it's not like MJ disappeared from the spotlight in 1998 the way Kareem did when he retired. When is the last time you watched a sports talk show and they didn't mention MJ?
yes

[Soundwave]

Shaq did have GOAT hype, what planet are you living on. He was heavily marketed too, moreso than any player today.

[bullettooth]

Wheels on suicide watch right now.

Manny98, this one's for you: http://www.suicide.org/hotlines/international/philippines-suicide-hotlines.html

[ArbitraryWater]

Shaq did have GOAT hype, what planet are you living on. He was heavily marketed too, moreso than any player today.

Do you know what GOAT hype is?

He never had GOAT hype.

He had most dominant at his peak hype

[Soundwave]

Do you know what GOAT hype is?

He never had GOAT hype.

He had most dominant at his peak hype

He did have GOAT hype circa 1999-2002 or so, his marketing was higher than any current player to boot.

Shaq was a phenomenon and probably actually the real best shot at a player having a better career than Jordan.

He just didn't want to work for it.

[Stanley Kobrick]

it's funny being 50 years of age I still have Kareem respectfully #1 as many people my age still do. like other users have noted i too believe it's how you were raised and the heros during that time period

[Soundwave]

it's funny being 50 years of age I still have Kareem respectfully #1 as many people my age still do. like other users have noted i too believe it's how you were raised and the heros during that time period

I have Kareem at no.2 ... his career is kind of strange in that he really didn't win the bulk of his championships until he was past his individual prime. He never won an MVP after 79-80, where the bulk of the Laker championships happened (Magic won several though).

[Stanley Kobrick]

I have Kareem at no.2 ... his career is kind of strange in that he really didn't win the bulk of his championships until he was past his individual prime. He never won an MVP after 79-80, where the bulk of the Laker championships happened (Magic won several though).
i agree with you Soundwave

[Phoenix]

He did have GOAT hype circa 1999-2002 or so, his marketing was higher than any current player to boot.

Shaq was a phenomenon and probably actually the real best shot at a player having a better career than Jordan.

He just didn't want to work for it.

But Shaq wasn't revered though. Big men, especially one as genetically gifted as he was, are so much larger than life that kids on the playground don't visualize being him.

The most popular players in history have always been your flashy perimeter guys. Dr. J, Magic, MJ, Kobe, Lebron and so forth. Fans are attracted to high flying dunks, acrobatic layouts and no look passes, not a snarling 350 pounder trying to break the backboard on every dunk. Shaq had charisma but his game and stature wasn't marketable to the common fan. Kobe was the more popular between the two of them in terms of attracting a legion of supporters. Same with Penny in Orlando and Wade in Miami.

[Lebron23]

Yup in 10 years Lebron will be around top 20

10 years after maybe maybe top 30.

Unfortunately for Lebron, many years down the road young player just won't idolize him as much as other players since Lebron skillset is really limited.

I guess they could try to copy his flopping and teaming up, but other than that not sure what else Lebron is really good at :confusedshrug:

20 years into the future Jordan will most likely still be argued as the Goat, whereas Lebron will be remembered along side with others greats such as West, Baylor, etc


Might be the most stupid posts in the history of this forum.

[YouKnowWhatItIs]

Many people who love MJ aren’t even old enough to have really watched him.

People who really watched MJ are close to 50 at the YOUNGEST. What you see in the NBA poll is a combination of media marketing and nostalgia, because literally nobody in the NBA is even close to 50 years old. The oldest player in the NBA was only 14 when MJ won his first title.

[dbugz]

Stop with that "bbbbuuttt they're only like 3 years of age that time" Heck even that reasoning would have led them to choose LeQuit but they didn't because he isn't really that good and his chips came from forming superteams only.

Since when did a tards' opinion who are hiding in front of their computers hold more weight than the actual group of people who are actually playing the game?

Even Kobe is trailing only with like 1.3 points than LeCallaFriend :oldlol: and that's a player who most of the user here are ranking 9th-11th on the goat list against LeQuit fans who are dreaming that LeQuit is #1 :oldlol:

[Axe]

Not everyone sees him as the goat but they can't deny that there are some players in the league who were a lot younger than him yet treat him as their role model or inspiration in the sport of bball.

[ZenMaster7210]

.
Stats


#1 scoring (PPG)

#1 efficiency rating (PER)

#1 boxscores (BPM)

#1 winning contribution (WS/48)

5 of the top 7 VORP seasons



Skills


#1 clutch

#1 mid-range jumpshooting

#1 post game for non-big

#1 guard defender



Winning


Twice as many "best player" rings as anyone else in 3-pointer basketball/modern era

Goat championship frequency of modern era (6/15)



Accolades


#1 FMVP (twice as many as anyone else)

#1 MVP's in modern era

Most 2-way seasons ever (9 seasons with both 1st team all-nba and defense)

DPOY

10 scoring titles

3 steals titles

Highest combination of usage/ortg ever

Highest points + assists per 100 possessions ever.. GOAT gonna GOAT.

[jstern]

Surprised to see Lebron beating Kobe by 1%. Usually these NBA polls have Kobe as better than Lebron. I guess with Kobe being out of the league a few years and a younger crop of players coming into the leauge will have such an effect.


Many people who love MJ aren’t even old enough to have really watched him.

People who really watched MJ are close to 50 at the YOUNGEST. What you see in the NBA poll is a combination of media marketing and nostalgia, because literally nobody in the NBA is even close to 50 years old. The oldest player in the NBA was only 14 when MJ won his first title.

Durant saw MJ. Wade, Jeremy Lin, Lebron, etc, etc. They are not close to 50.

[SpaceJam]

Can't even be mad, LeBron top 2 all-time :rockon:

[deathawaitu]

Might be the most stupid posts in the history of this forum.

Awww butthurt cause truth hurt?

Not sure why Lebron fans are so insecure and feel like it's an insult that their hero is compared to others greats such as West and Baylor

[Run DLC]

Why the **** is Durant on that poll list?

[imdaman99]

Most current NBA players were too young to see him, at least at his best. Only the old heads seen him. I'd imagine most the current guys idolized Kobe because that's who they saw growing up.

[ArbitraryWater]

Why the **** is Durant on that poll list?

thats what stuck out to you?

[YouKnowWhatItIs]

Durant saw MJ. Wade, Jeremy Lin, Lebron, etc, etc. They are not close to 50.

Durant was 9 and LeBron was 13 when MJ LAST played on the Bulls. Give me a break, You wouldn’t listen to a 10-year old kid’s opinion on basketball.