What did MJ need to get out of the 1st round?

[FromDowntown]

Scottie Pippen
Charles Oakley
Horrace Grant
John Paxon

to beat Brad Daughtery and Mark Price and get his first ever 1st round win

I'm not making it up. linkage https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198805080CHI.html

[SATAN]

Nance and Harper were also good...

[3ball]

Scottie Pippen
Charles Oakley
Horrace Grant
John Paxon

to beat Brad Daughtery and Mark Price and get his first ever 1st round win

I'm not making it up. linkage https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198805080CHI.html
Where's the scoring

09' Mo would take those guys to the 88' Finals

[highwhey]

this documentary is great bc it's only confirming what I believed all along, MJ is not the GOAT. he even said so himself when he said Pippen should be mentioned alongside his own name. that's admitting he isn't as great as LeBron. very humble on behalf of MJ. :applause:

[FromDowntown]

Where's the scoring

09' Mo would take those guys to the 88' Finals

MJ leaves Pip in 1993
Pip in 1994: 55 wins, all nba 1st team, 2nd in MVP votes

LBJ leaves Mo in 2010
2011 Mo: 13.3 ppg, 35 wins :lol

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[Vino24]

Yikes so Mo still = to Pippen?

[3ball]

MJ leaves Pip in 1993
Pip in 1994: 55 wins, all nba 1st team, 2nd in MVP votes

LBJ leaves Mo in 2010
2011 Mo: 13.3 ppg, 35 wins :lol

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1994 is the "55-win-teamwork" year

That's how great 3-peat teams are that their teamwork is worth 55;wins

[Vino24]

From now on, we'll refer to 1994 as the 55-win teamwork" year

All MJ Chip years were teamwork.

[Smook A.]

Well to be fair, the Bulls were the 7th, 8th, and 8th seed again in the 3 years MJ lost in the first round. They played the Bucks (who were very good), and then the Celtics twice, a team they had no chance of beating. It's not like Jordan's Bulls were a top 4 seed in the East when they were losing in the first round.

[Vino24]

Well to be fair, the Bulls were the 7th, 8th, and 8th seed again in the 3 years MJ lost in the first round. They played the Bucks (who were very good), and then the Celtics twice, a team they had no chance of beating. It's not like Jordan's Bulls were a top 4 seed in the East when they were losing in the first round.
Should LeBron be penalized for going further with similar talent?

[SouBeachTalents]

Well to be fair, the Bulls were the 7th, 8th, and 8th seed again in the 3 years MJ lost in the first round. They played the Bucks (who were very good), and then the Celtics twice, a team they had no chance of beating. It's not like Jordan's Bulls were a top 4 seed in the East when they were losing in the first round.
Do you really not think they know this already :lol

[Smook A.]

this documentary is great bc it's only confirming what I believed all along, MJ is not the GOAT. he even said so himself when he said Pippen should be mentioned alongside his own name. that's admitting he isn't as great as LeBron. very humble on behalf of MJ. :applause:

You're acting like a superstar doesn't need a good supporting cast to win a championship :oldlol:

[3ball]

All MJ Chip years were teamwork.
That's true

When you have a cast that contributes minimally, aka needs the goat scoring load from #1 option to win, they will need the best teamwork possible to maximize thier minimal contribution.

The bulls needed the best teamwork because they had the worst cast, aka needed goat scoring load from #1 option to win, aka 10-30 more than 2nd option for every series)

[Smook A.]

Do you really not think they know this already :lol

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised. A lot of people are stupid when it comes to the reason why Jordan was losing before having Pippen

[highwhey]

You're acting like a superstar doesn't need a good supporting cast to win a championship :oldlol:

MJ had the ultimate supporting cast.

LeBron has lead inferior teams - much more inferior teams, to the finals.

[Smook A.]

MJ had the ultimate supporting cast.

LeBron has lead inferior teams - much more inferior teams, to the finals.

And LeBron didn't? :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

And LeBron didn't? :oldlol:

My bran needs more help

[highwhey]

And LeBron didn't? :oldlol:

he's never had an all time great defender.

let me rephrase that, he's never had TWO all time great defenders. he's also made the finals, not just the playoffs, with total scrubs. MJ couldn't do it without Pippen.

[highwhey]

anyways, MJ was so shook LeBron came back from a 3-1 deficit to beat a 73 win team, that he decided minutes after that finals, to make this documentary :oldlol:

[highwhey]

My bran needs more help

draymond called KD crying that he needed help.

a 73 win team called a superstar to join them. :roll:

[FromDowntown]

draymond called KD crying that he needed help.

a 73 win team called a superstar to join them. :roll:

high IQ whey

Beastin on em

[3ball]

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LeBron has lead inferior teams - much more inferior teams, to the finals


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So did Dwight, AI, and Kidd

But then lebron's "decision" formed a strong team, even though the aforementioned weak teams were routinely winning the conference.. cheating in plain view - he only began his string of conference finals wins AFTER executing the "decision"





MJ had the ultimate supporting cast



Jordan's 85-89' casts had zero accolades, while lebron's 05-10' teams had 3 all-stars, 2 all-defenders, top defenses, and the coach of year..

Lebron's superior cast is why he won more games despite less stats... aka 28/8/7 won 66 games, while jordan's 33/8/8 won 47... or 35/6/6 won 50.. or 37/5/5 won 40





MJ had the ultimate supporting cast



The ultimate supporting cast forces the first option to be #1 in everything??.. aka PPG, PER, BPM, WS/48, clutch

MJ is at 33.5 ppg and all the best scorer in playoff history are bunched up at 26-29... How could MJ have the "ultimate" cast?.. ultimate horrible cast maybe, this requiring goat PER, etc to win

[Smook A.]

he's never had an all time great defender.

let me rephrase that, he's never had TWO all time great defenders. he's also made the finals, not just the playoffs, with total scrubs. MJ couldn't do it without Pippen.

What? Since when do you need to have an all-time great defender for your supporting cast to be considered really good? :roll:

I'm not really going to explain LeBron's supporting cast when he won his 3 championships, we all know he had great players around him. Not discrediting his championships either. The whole point is, no superstar is going to win a championship without having a very solid cast around him. You also need a bit of luck

[highwhey]

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So did Dwight, AI, and Kidd

But then lebron's "decision" formed a strong team, even though the aforementioned weak teams were routinely winning the conference.. cheating in plain view - he only began his string of conference finals wins AFTER executing the "decision"



The ultimate supporting cast forces the first option to be #1 in everything??.. aka PPG, PER, BPM, WS/48, clutch

MJ is at 33.5 ppg and all the best scorer in playoff history are bunched up at 26-29... How could MJ have the "ultimate" cast?.. ultimate horrible cast maybe, this requiring goat PER, etc to win

are you OK?

[highwhey]

What? Since when do you need to have an all-time great defender for your supporting cast to be considered really good? :roll:

I'm not really going to explain LeBron's supporting cast when he won his 3 championships, we all know he had great players around him. Not discrediting his championships either. The whole point is, no superstar is going to win a championship without having a very solid cast around him. You also need a bit of luck

the point is, MJ had Pippen as a defensive anchor. that's tremendous help. it's a huge load off his shoulders.

Bron was his OWN defensive anchor as well as offensive anchor.

give Bron Pippen and he'd have more titles.

[Mamba4Life]

He needed a team good enough to win 55 wins without him

[Smook A.]

the point is, MJ had Pippen as a defensive anchor. that's tremendous help. it's a huge load off his shoulders.

Bron was his OWN defensive anchor as well as offensive anchor.

give Bron Pippen and he'd have more titles.

Yeah no shit Pippen helped MJ big time. Just like Wade, Bosh, and Kyrie helped LeBron. They weren't the defensive players that Pippen and Rodman were, but they could sure carry their load on offense.

Also, Wade is literally greater than Pippen all-time. Don't act like LeBron didn't have great help either

[highwhey]

Yeah no shit Pippen helped MJ big time. Just like Wade, Bosh, and Kyrie helped LeBron. They weren't the defensive players that Pippen and Rodman were, but they could sure carry their load on offense.

Also, Wade is literally greater than Pippen all-time. Don't act like LeBron didn't have great help either

all time, yes. how about fit tho? what load did Wade relieve? he had, what 1-2 good seasons before he began deteriorating, same with Bosh. Kyrie was a headcase.

Point is, LeBron has been one of the most unluckiest players ever - injuries at the worst time possible. then KD decided to make the ultimate b1tch move and join a 73 win team.

throw a little luck Bron's way and he would have 2-3 more titles, maybe more. give him teammates that are a better fit, 3-4 more titles.

[Mamba4Life]

Yeah no shit Pippen helped MJ big time. Just like Wade, Bosh, and Kyrie helped LeBron. They weren't the defensive players that Pippen and Rodman were, but they could sure carry their load on offense.

Also, Wade is literally greater than Pippen all-time. Don't act like LeBron didn't have great help either

Wanna show Wade's playoff stats with LeBron compared to Pippen's with Jordan?

[Smook A.]

all time, yes. how about fit tho? what load did Wade relieve? he had, what 1-2 good seasons before he began deteriorating, same with Bosh. Kyrie was a headcase.

Point is, LeBron has been one of the most unluckiest players ever - injuries at the worst time possible. then KD decided to make the ultimate b1tch move and join a 73 win team.

throw a little luck Bron's way and he would have 2-3 more titles, maybe more. give him teammates that are a better fit, 3-4 more titles.

Wade didn't start becoming a bad sidekick until the 2014 playoffs. Kyrie was huge for LeBron in the 2016 finals. Don't discredit his play just because he was a headcase

[3ball]

the point is, MJ had Pippen as a defensive anchor. that's tremendous help. it's a huge load off his shoulders.

Bron was his OWN defensive anchor as well as offensive anchor.

give Bron Pippen and he'd have more titles.
Their offense would be horrible compared to what he had with Wade/Bosh or Kyrie/Love and that would vastly outweigh any defensive advantage

And for the Bulls to have a good defense, Pippen and MJ had to be goat defenders - so lebron wouldn't get a break..

Goat defense from MJ was required because the Bulls lacked rim protection, whereas Lebron always had great rim protection, aka centers that average 1.5 to 2.5 bpg.. lebron also had more athletic guards like Shumpert, Ray Allen, Hughes, JR Smith - these guys are far more athletic than BJ, Kerr and Paxson.. the lack of rim protection and athletic guards would force lebron to a goat defender for every Finals like MJ was... But lebron has never done that so he's inferior

[Smook A.]

Wanna show Wade's playoff stats with LeBron compared to Pippen's with Jordan?

Sure

Wade 2011-2014 playoffs (years with LeBron): 20.3 ppg/5.2 rpg/4.3 apg/1.6 spg/1.0 bpg on 47/30/76 shooting split
Pippen 1988-1998 playoffs (years with Jordan): 18.1 ppg/7.7 rpg/5.2 apg/1.9 spg/1.0 bpg on 45/30/72 shooting split

Edit: Forgot to leave out Pippen's 1994 playoffs stats, the year he didn't have MJ

[highwhey]

Wade didn't start becoming a bad sidekick until the 2014 playoffs. Kyrie was huge for LeBron in the 2016 finals. Don't discredit his play just because he was a headcase

2012: 22ppg
2013:16ppg

Hell of a sidekick. Mind you, he was nowhere near the defender Pip was, at least not at that stage.

Meanwhile, Pippen was putting up similar offense while playing amazing defense.

Yep, totally the same...:oldlol:

[highwhey]

Sure

Wade 2011-2014 playoffs (years with LeBron): 20.3 ppg/5.2 rpg/4.3 apg/1.6 spg/1.0 bpg on 47/30/76 shooting split
Pippen 1988-1998 playoffs (years with Jordan): 18.1 ppg/7.7 rpg/5.2 apg/1.9 spg/1.0 bpg on 45/30/72 shooting split

2ppg difference...wow. that doesn't even come close to their gap on defense. Pippen was clearly the superior sidekick.

[3ball]

2012: 22ppg
2013:16ppg

Hell of a sidekick. Mind you, he was nowhere near the defender Pip was, at least not at that stage.

Meanwhile, Pippen was putting up similar offense while playing amazing defense.

Yep, totally the same...:oldlol:
Lebron always needed Wade to bring it in the Finals to win, and Wade got prime Pippen numbers in the 13' Finals (20/5/5 on 48%).

Otherwise, he didn't need much offense from Wade or Bosh to win the weak East

Ultimately that's why people complain about 13-14' - he'd been reduced to prime Pippen numbers.. so when I complain about Pippen, think about 13-14' Wade and you'll understand

[Smook A.]

2012: 22ppg
2013:16ppg

Hell of a sidekick. Mind you, he was nowhere near the defender Pip was, at least not at that stage.

Meanwhile, Pippen was putting up similar offense while playing amazing defense.

Yep, totally the same...:oldlol:

I think you're forgetting that Pippen wasn't all that "great" in Jordan's 2nd 3-peat. He averaged 17/7/5 on 41% shooting in those 3 playoffs

Anyway, that's not even the point of this whole conversation. The whole point is, LeBron had plenty of help when he won his championships just like Jordan and basically every other superstar in the history of NBA did.

[Smook A.]

2ppg difference...wow. that doesn't even come close to their gap on defense. Pippen was clearly the superior sidekick.

I accidentally included Pippen's 94 playoff stats in there (the year he was without MJ) and that year he averaged 23/8/5. So his playoff stats with MJ are a little lower than what I typed out

[3ball]

are you OK?
You ran I win

[highwhey]

You ran I win

You didn't answer my question, i won.

[3ball]

You didn't answer my question, i won.

You didn't ask one in the post I quoted
So I won

[highwhey]

You didn't ask one in the post I quoted
So I won

You exhibit signs of a mental disorder.

[3ball]

You exhibit signs of a mental disorder.
Enjoy the L bud

It's an annoying feeling it will pass.. knowledge is ur reward

[highwhey]

Imaginary Ws are the only Ws you get.

[FromDowntown]

Lebron always needed Wade to bring it in the Finals to win, and Wade got prime Pippen numbers in the 13' Finals (20/5/5 on 48%).

Otherwise, he didn't need much offense from Wade or Bosh to win the weak East

Ultimately that's why people complain about 13-14' - he'd been reduced to prime Pippen numbers.. so when I complain about Pippen, think about 13-14' Wade and you'll understand

Where does Scottie rank among the GOAT second options with regard to at least 3 appearances as #2 option?

Scottie Pippen (1991, 1992, 1993)
21/9/7 with 1.94 spg, .88 bpg on 46% FG (DRrtg 104)

Magic Johnson (1984, 1985, 1988)
19/7/13 with 2.05 spg, 0.35 bpg on 53% FG (DRtg 108)

Kobe Bryant (2000, 2001, 2002)
22/6/5 with 1.28 spg, 1.21 bpg on 42% FG (DRtg 108)

Dwyane Wade (2012, 2013, 2014)
19/4/4 with 1.64 spg, .88 bpg on 45% FG (DRtg 112)

Scottie's rank among the 4 candidates
PPG: 2nd
RPG: 1st
APG: 2nd
SPG: 2nd
BPG: 2nd
FG%: 2nd
DRTg: 1st

[FromDowntown]

Pippen =21-9-7-2 on 46% and better defense than MJ (104 Def Rtg)

NOT even close.
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[highwhey]

Pippen =21-9-7-2 on 46% and better defense than MJ (104 Def Rtg)

NOT even close.
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Oof, nice ether breh

[YouKnowWhatItIs]

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So did Dwight, AI, and Kidd

But then lebron's "decision" formed a strong team, even though the aforementioned weak teams were routinely winning the conference.. cheating in plain view - he only began his string of conference finals wins AFTER executing the "decision"

Not really.

First of all, AI and Kidd led their teams to the finals in 2001-2003.. even before LeBron was in the NBA.

LeBron played seven seasons before he went to Miami, so let’s analyze the weak Eastern Conference winners

2004 - Detroit Pistons - Champions
2005 - Detroit Pistons - Runner-Up (Game 7 loss decided in final minutes)
2006 - Miami Heat - Champions
2007 - Cleveland Cavaliers - Runner-Up (weak team)
2008 - Boston Celtics - Champions (all-time great team)
2009 - Orlando Magic - Runner-Up (weak team that only made it because Garnett got injured)
2010 - Boston Celtics - Runner-Up (Game 7 loss decided in final minutes)

So only two weak teams won the conference from the time LeBron was drafted up until his decision. One made it because of injuries and the other was LeBron’s team.

[Bronbron23]

this documentary is great bc it's only confirming what I believed all along, MJ is not the GOAT. he even said so himself when he said Pippen should be mentioned alongside his own name. that's admitting he isn't as great as LeBron. very humble on behalf of MJ. :applause:

What a weird take:facepalm

[Overdrive]

he's never had an all time great defender.

let me rephrase that, he's never had TWO all time great defenders. he's also made the finals, not just the playoffs, with total scrubs. MJ couldn't do it without Pippen.


MJ had the ultimate supporting cast.

LeBron has lead inferior teams - much more inferior teams, to the finals.

He led an inferior cast to exactly 1 final in the weakest east ever. If he ran into the 2001 Bucks, 02 Nets or whatever he would've lost that year. Pistons were a shell of their former self, especially after losing Ben. Those Pistons were ass. Any other year they don't make it out of the ECSF at max.


Should LeBron be penalized for going further with similar talent?

You mean not making the playoffs at all?

[3ball]

Not really.

First of all, AI and Kidd led their teams to the finals in 2001-2003.. even before LeBron was in the NBA.

LeBron played seven seasons before he went to Miami, so let’s analyze the weak Eastern Conference winners

2004 - Detroit Pistons - Champions
2005 - Detroit Pistons - Runner-Up (Game 7 loss decided in final minutes)
2006 - Miami Heat - Champions
2007 - Cleveland Cavaliers - Runner-Up (weak team)
2008 - Boston Celtics - Champions (all-time great team)
2009 - Orlando Magic - Runner-Up (weak team that only made it because Garnett got injured)
2010 - Boston Celtics - Runner-Up (Game 7 loss decided in final minutes)

So only two weak teams won the conference from the time LeBron was drafted up until his decision. One made it because of injuries and the other was LeBron’s team.
Weak teams won the conference twice in the three years prior to lebron's "decision" (07', 09')

So again, lebron's "decision" formed a strong team, even though the aforementioned weak teams were routinely winning the conference.. cheating in plain view - he only began his string of conference finals wins AFTER executing the "decision" to stack the deck.

he'd already won with a weak cast in 07' and Dwight just did in 09', so lebron could've had a Finals streak starting in 09' without team-hopping.. he infact had a strong cast in 10' after adding Jamison and Shaq to a 66-win team.

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

What did LeBrick need to win 3 championships?
-D.Wade
-C.Bosh
-K.Irving
-K.Love
-R.Allen (Game winning shot)
-D.Green (Suspension)

[dbugz]

What did LeQuit need to win a chip?

https://assets-cms.thescore.com/uploads/image/file/346760/w640xh480_GettyImages-1039445224.jpg?ts=1554412899


Need more help every effin year :roll:

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

MJ had the ultimate supporting cast.

LeBron has lead inferior teams - much more inferior teams, to the finals.
Title teams with lowest scoring supporting casts for the overall playoffs
Post-1954 (Shot Clock Era)


10. 1994 Rockets - 68.3 PPG
9. 2006 Heat - 67.8 PPG
8. 1993 Bulls - 67.3 PPG
7. 2012 Heat - 67.0 PPG
6. 1996 Bulls - 66.7 PPG
5. 1992 Bulls - 65.9 PPG
4. 2004 Pistons - 65.6 PPG
3. 1999 Spurs - 65.2 PPG
2. 1997 Bulls - 61.5 PPG
1. 1998 Bulls - 60.8 PPG

[YouKnowWhatItIs]

Weak teams won the conference twice in the three years prior to lebron's "decision" (07', 09')

So again, lebron's "decision" formed a strong team, even though the aforementioned weak teams were routinely winning the conference.. cheating in plain view - he only began his string of conference finals wins AFTER executing the "decision" to stack the deck.

he'd already won with a weak cast in 07' and Dwight just did in 09', so lebron could've had a Finals streak starting in 09' without team-hopping.. he infact had a strong cast in 10' after adding Jamison and Shaq to a 66-win team.

The three years prior to the decision were 2008, 2009, and 2010. The Celtics won in 2008/2010, and lost 2009 because of injury.

You mention that weak casts won the East in 2007 and 2009, but you’re not applying any context.

The Cavs won in 2007, but the Big 3 Celtics didn’t exist until 2008.
The Magic won in 2009 because Garnett didn’t play.

Using your logic, I can say the 2017 Thunder could have beaten the 2017 Warriors because the 2016 Thunder were up 3-1 against the 2016 Warriors. It doesn’t matter that KD left right?

If LeBron never left Cleveland, The Celtics likely would have won the East again in 2011 and 2012.

[YouKnowWhatItIs]

Title teams with lowest scoring supporting casts for the overall playoffs
Post-1954 (Shot Clock Era)


10. 1994 Rockets - 68.3 PPG
9. 2006 Heat - 67.8 PPG
8. 1993 Bulls - 67.3 PPG
7. 2012 Heat - 67.0 PPG
6. 1996 Bulls - 66.7 PPG
5. 1992 Bulls - 65.9 PPG
4. 2004 Pistons - 65.6 PPG
3. 1999 Spurs - 65.2 PPG
2. 1997 Bulls - 61.5 PPG
1. 1998 Bulls - 60.8 PPG


If anything, this just shows you how good the Bulls were in the other areas of the game such as rebounding, defense, etc.

Scoring is not what makes a championship team, it’s just the icing on the cake. Most teams can score, but few can play defense, rebound and do the little things.

[LostCause]

If anything, this just shows you how good the Bulls were in the other areas of the game such as rebounding, defense, etc.

Scoring is not what makes a championship team, it’s just the icing on the cake. Most teams can score, but few can play defense, rebound and do the little things.


Those Bulls put up historic offenses when Jordan was there. Very efficient, very low turnovers and high scoring

Also, plenty of stars have had great defensive/rebounding teams around them that lacked much offensive talent. Iverson made the Finals with a team built this way and he doesn’t get any sympathy for falling short. LeBron also has teams like this but there are 100s of excuses of why he needed more offensive help

It’s never ending

[YouKnowWhatItIs]

Those Bulls put up historic offenses when Jordan was there. Very efficient, very low turnovers and high scoring

Also, plenty of stars have had great defensive/rebounding teams around them that lacked much offensive talent. Iverson made the Finals with a team built this way and he doesn’t get any sympathy for falling short. LeBron also has teams like this but there are 100s of excuses of why he needed more offensive help

It’s never ending

I agree, you make good points.

I think LeBron needed more offensive help earlier in his career when his offensive game wasn’t as polished. Now he needs DEFENSIVE help. That’s why this Lakers team is the best team LeBron has ever played on in my opinion.

If LeBron was able to play on a team as good as the 2020 Lakers for a stretch of 7 seasons, I think he would win around 6 titles too.

[3ball]

Title teams with lowest scoring supporting casts for the overall playoffs
Post-1954 (Shot Clock Era)

10. 1994 Rockets - 68.3 PPG
9. 2006 Heat - 67.8 PPG
8. 1993 Bulls - 67.3 PPG
7. 2012 Heat - 67.0 PPG
6. 1996 Bulls - 66.7 PPG
5. 1992 Bulls - 65.9 PPG
4. 2004 Pistons - 65.6 PPG
3. 1999 Spurs - 65.2 PPG
2. 1997 Bulls - 61.5 PPG
1. 1998 Bulls - 60.8 PPG



Bookmarked

And nearly all teams made the playoffs in the 80's (16 of 23 teams) - so what MJ needed to get out of the 1st Round was a bigger league, aka 30 teams like what Lebron had

With a bigger league, Jordan's 30-40 win teams would've missed the playoffs and avoided the 8 seed like lebron's 30-40 win teams in 04', 05', and 19'... lebron only made the playoffs with high seeds/good teams and easy 1st Rd matchups

[FromDowntown]

Scottie Pippen
Charles Oakley
Horrace Grant
John Paxon

to beat Brad Daughtery and Mark Price and get his first ever 1st round win

I'm not making it up. linkage https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198805080CHI.html

Anyone?

[Axe]

What did LeQuit need to win a chip?

https://assets-cms.thescore.com/uploads/image/file/346760/w640xh480_GettyImages-1039445224.jpg?ts=1554412899


Need more help every effin year :roll:
The whole world hasn't seen lebron playing in the postseason yet in this uniform.

[nayte]

You can't be right. Surely there is a pic with LeBron in the playoffs with that uniform

[Axe]

You can't be right. Surely there is a pic with LeBron in the playoffs with that uniform
You must be talking about a different league, player or somethin'.

[LAL]

I agree, you make good points.

I think LeBron needed more offensive help earlier in his career when his offensive game wasn’t as polished. Now he needs DEFENSIVE help. That’s why this Lakers team is the best team LeBron has ever played on in my opinion.

If LeBron was able to play on a team as good as the 2020 Lakers for a stretch of 7 seasons, I think he would win around 6 titles too.

:facepalm

[nayte]

You must be talking about a different league, player or somethin'.

Must be. U wouldn't think that was true

[nayte]

Title teams with lowest scoring supporting casts for the overall playoffs
Post-1954 (Shot Clock Era)


10. 1994 Rockets - 68.3 PPG
9. 2006 Heat - 67.8 PPG
8. 1993 Bulls - 67.3 PPG
7. 2012 Heat - 67.0 PPG
6. 1996 Bulls - 66.7 PPG
5. 1992 Bulls - 65.9 PPG
4. 2004 Pistons - 65.6 PPG
3. 1999 Spurs - 65.2 PPG
2. 1997 Bulls - 61.5 PPG
1. 1998 Bulls - 60.8 PPG

:roll:

[HoopsNY]

This is such an ignorant post. It's almost laughable at how ignorant it is.

[LeCroix]

Unfair thread to Michael because he is playing under strong era conditions with rough 80s ball

[SATAN]

Unfair thread to Michael because he is playing under strong era conditions with rough 80s ball

Hog wash.

[ELITEpower23]

Unfair thread to Michael because he is playing under strong era conditions with rough 80s ball

bull crap, he did not play in a tough era, the 90s were weak as f

[Axe]

bull crap, he did not play in a tough era, the 90s were weak as f
Dup replying to his banned dup spotted :oldlol:

[light]

Scottie Pippen
Charles Oakley
Horrace Grant
John Paxon

to beat Brad Daughtery and Mark Price and get his first ever 1st round win

I'm not making it up. linkage https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198805080CHI.html

Jordan couldn't win unless he had the better team.

Unlike LeBron, Jordan was unable to beat a superior team with his greatness.

[FKAri]

He didn't really need those guys. All he needed was Stern and Nike to partner in forming the greatest marketing campaign in the history of sports.

[RogueBorg]

MJ leaves Pip in 1993
Pip in 1994: 55 wins, all nba 1st team, 2nd in MVP votes

LBJ leaves Mo in 2010
2011 Mo: 13.3 ppg, 35 wins :lol

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Pippen>LeBron

[Cyrus334]

Jordan couldn't win unless he had the better team.

Unlike LeBron, Jordan was unable to beat a superior team with his greatness.

That's true.

It's also true that Jordan never lost when he had the better team and was favored to win while Lebron has lost to inferior teams when he had the better team.

[RogueBorg]

give Bron Pippen and he'd have more titles.

Pippen didn't need that scrub to win titles.

[Rico2016]

kobe and shaq won back to back titles in 2001 and 2002 and only had role players only
best comboe ever!:kobe:

Thick Fisher the swisher and Rober Horry baby!

[knicksman]

all time, yes. how about fit tho? what load did Wade relieve? he had, what 1-2 good seasons before he began deteriorating, same with Bosh. Kyrie was a headcase.

Point is, LeBron has been one of the most unluckiest players ever - injuries at the worst time possible. then KD decided to make the ultimate b1tch move and join a 73 win team.

throw a little luck Bron's way and he would have 2-3 more titles, maybe more. give him teammates that are a better fit, 3-4 more titles.

work smart instead of work hard. If you want to earn while not working then do business. But starting a business isnt easy. Just like basketball, you want to win while not working hard then focus on scoring esp clutch scoring. But clutch scoring isnt easy either that even lebron couldnt do it. Its not about how many skills you have but how hard your skillset is. You could easily find 2 or 3 role players that could do what lebron does but you cant with jordan thus making him more valuable despite him having lesser stats. And thats why hes a winner.

[Rico2016]

Scottie Pippen
Charles Oakley
Horrace Grant
John Paxon

to beat Brad Daughtery and Mark Price and get his first ever 1st round win

I'm not making it up. linkage https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198805080CHI.html

Goodness gracious