LeBron: I don't believe I have played for a superteam. I don't believe in that.

[AirTupac]

> Recruits Wade and Bosh
> Irving and Love
> Begs for Kawhi to join him and AD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY0tZrelGXM&feature=youtu.be


That highschool education doe. He's lucky the NBA exists cause he's dumb as ass

[Monta Ellis MVP]

Stop bullying LeBron plz.

[deathawaitu]

Come on AirTupac... Cut Lebron some slack

We all know Lebron is an uneducated kid, don't bully him please

West already bullied him to letting him **** Lebron's mom

Leave beta Lebron alone :cry:

[Akeem34TheDream]

What the hell. Thats got to be one of the most stupid things he has ever said. He was the one saying "Its going to be easy".

[LostCause]

Lol I remember this

Dray responded saying he started it

[bullettooth]

"I don't flop. I don't even know how. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCeOvikrXPc)"

https://media.giphy.com/media/iFffiTWNq1n2osOIp8/source.gif

[red1]

agree 100% with lebron


only player to beat a 70 win team with zero all-stars. how is that a superteam if there aren't any other allstars on the roster?

[dbugz]

agree 100% with lebron


only player to beat a 70 win team with zero all-stars. how is that a superteam if there aren't any other allstars on the roster?

https://cdn.bleacherreport.net/social_assets/random/KevinHartBlockShot.gif

https://cdn.bleacherreport.net/social_assets/random/KevinHartBlockShot.gif

imagine getting blocked by a 5'3 comedian midget.

[red1]

https://cdn.bleacherreport.net/social_assets/random/KevinHartBlockShot.gif

https://cdn.bleacherreport.net/social_assets/random/KevinHartBlockShot.gif

imagine getting blocked by a 5'3 comedian midget.

kg - 1
lowry - 1


:)

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https://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1144336/hahaha.gif

[RogueBorg]

"I don't flop. I don't even know how. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCeOvikrXPc)"

https://media.giphy.com/media/iFffiTWNq1n2osOIp8/source.gif

For someone that's supposed to be SO strong, he sure gets thrown around an awful lot.

[AirBonner]

Op OD’d on a blunt

[bullettooth]

For someone that's supposed to be SO strong, he sure gets thrown around an awful lot.

http://g88.imgup.net/LeBronFlop2be8.gif

[Wally450]

Never forget that OP made this thread. :facepalm

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?471191-I-call-dibs-on-Kobe-s

[SouBeachTalents]

Never forget that OP made this thread. :facepalm

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?471191-I-call-dibs-on-Kobe-s
JESUS that thread aged terribly

[red1]

Never forget that OP made this thread. :facepalm

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?471191-I-call-dibs-on-Kobe-s

holy shit :roll:

[L8krH8tr]

Really sad that we didn’t get to see kawhi and the clips dismantle any Faker hope they had at another title.

[AirTupac]

Really sad that we didn’t get to see kawhi and the clips dismantle any Faker hope they had at another title.

The whole NBA saw what the fvck we did to your wanna be contenders (as usual). Bron and AD ****ing whipped yo ass when it mattered you poor fat little loner loser boy.

[tpols]

Really sad that we didn’t get to see kawhi and the clips dismantle any Faker hope they had at another title.

We saw it on the biggest stage with Christmas.

Was a total humiliation.

[Roundball_Rock]

LeBron has lost touch with reality. Even if he argues that team wasn't a "super team" in ultimate performance, it clearly was an attempt at building one so he can't then say "I don't believe that."

[SamuraiSWISH]

Really sad that we didn’t get to see kawhi and the clips dismantle any Faker hope they had at another title.
True.

LeExcuse ... LeDelusional back at it.

[Axe]

F.

[SATAN]

Never forget that OP made this thread. :facepalm

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?471191-I-call-dibs-on-Kobe-s

Wow

[Turbo Slayer]

LeBron :facepalm Oh well. It's ok anyways.

[SATAN]

Really sad that we didn’t get to see kawhi and the clips dismantle any Faker hope they had at another title.

It was quite clear that LeBron was ready to chop the Clippers' heads off. It was coming. I really believe he would have got another chip this year.

[TheCorporation]

Never forget that OP made this thread. :facepalm

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?471191-I-call-dibs-on-Kobe-s

Wow. OD'd on a blunt and a pedo. Yikes

[FireDavidKahn]

Never forget that OP made this thread. :facepalm

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?471191-I-call-dibs-on-Kobe-s

Jesus:roll::facepalm

[AirTupac]

It was quite clear that LeBron was ready to chop the Clippers' heads off. It was coming. I really believe he would have got another chip this year.

Yep. Bron was turning it on. Clips were no match. Avery Bradley shit on them.

[dbugz]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ClearcutOpenJavalina-size_restricted.gif

[hold this L]

Never forget that OP made this thread. :facepalm

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?471191-I-call-dibs-on-Kobe-s

Oh my God....

[DoctorP]

there were never superteams. nobody wore fuc king capes. nobody had superpowers



stfu w this crap narrative


all were human

[LAL]

there were never superteams. nobody wore fuc king capes. nobody had superpowers



stfu w this crap narrative


all were human

No they mean 3 superstars in their primes teaming up together in the eastern conference. Not many ATG's did it, or even as bluntly, but we're just not allowed to say it for some reason.

[Axe]

No they mean 3 superstars in their primes teaming up together in the eastern conference. Not many ATG's did it, or even as bluntly, but we're just not allowed to say it for some reason.
It's not superteam or 3 superstars. It's called triumvirate. 😂

[RogueBorg]

During the Miami Heat years they went to 4 Finals and lost twice, of course he doesn't think they were a super-team.

[Mr Feeny]

Is there a link to this quote? The OP hates Lebron so I cant quite trust something that isnt sourced.

[pauk]

Super sidekick? Yes, AD is the only one i think of, i mean he is by far his best teammate ever.

Super TEAM? A great coach.... a complementary starting five... 6th man... bench... nah..

[sdot_thadon]

Super sidekick? Yes, AD is the only one i think of, i mean he is by far his best teammate ever.

Super TEAM? A great coach.... a complementary starting five... 6th man... bench... nah..

Year one in Miami was definitely a super team, the others after that? not so much.

[Mr Feeny]

I dont know what the kid above me is smoking but the 2012 and 2013 heat as well as the 2016 and 2017 cavs were super teams.

Just because lebron's style of play limited his superstar teammates' raw stats, it doesnt mean they weren't superstars or that the teams weren't stacked.

The 2012 heat were more stacked than any team Jordan played with. And they still nearly went out to an aging Celtics team.

[sdot_thadon]

I dont know what the kid above me is smoking but the 2012 and 2013 heat as well as the 2016 and 2017 cavs were super teams.

Just because lebron's style of play limited his superstar teammates' raw stats, it doesnt mean they weren't superstars or that the teams weren't stacked.

The 2012 heat were more stacked than any team Jordan played with. And they still nearly went out to an aging Celtics team.

2012 i could see as debatable but honestly Wade's injuries from 2012 on killed that whole level they were on when they teamed up. In 2011 it was 2 guys comparable in impact and talent (mvp level at that) on the same team. 2012 Wade was not that guy anymore. 2016 Kyrie and Kevin Love are allstar level guys, so in a nutshell a 3 allstar team. So was a couple of 90's Cavs teams, were they super teams? Were the 2000s pistons teams super teams? i mean im pretty sure i remember 3 or 4 allstar years for them as well. Were the 2nd 3peat bulls a super team? Whats your criteria and why cant you post without a stick up your ass bro?

[Mr Feeny]

2012 i could see as debatable but honestly Wade's injuries from 2012 on killed that whole level they were on when they teamed up. In 2011 it was 2 guys comparable in impact and talent (mvp level at that) on the same team. 2012 Wade was not that guy anymore. 2016 Kyrie and Kevin Love are allstar level guys, so in a nutshell a 3 allstar team. So was a couple of 90's Cavs teams, were they super teams? Were the 2000s pistons teams super teams? i mean im pretty sure i remember 3 or 4 allstar years for them as well. Were the 2nd 3peat bulls a super team? Whats your criteria and why cant you post without a stick up your ass bro?

And yet he was still a superstar. As was Bosh. As were kyrie and love in Cleveland.

Not sure what the rant is about but I'm not sure why on earth we are comparing the Pistons with those Heat teams. Different systems and different ways of playing.

[sdot_thadon]

And yet he was still a superstar. As was Bosh. As were kyrie and love in Cleveland.

Not sure what the rant is about but I'm not sure why on earth we are comparing the Pistons with those Heat teams. Different systems and different ways of playing.

You basically appear to be basing what a superteam is on how many allstars a team had, because the only time there were 2 bonafide superstars was 2011. Maybe you have a much looser definition of what a superstar is, but there's levels to this. An allstar isn't automatically a superstar in my opinion. That's also why i ask what your criteria is for a super team, because you aren't very clear on why you disagree....so clear it up.

[Mr Feeny]

You basically appear to be basing what a superteam is on how many allstars a team had, because the only time there were 2 bonafide superstars was 2011. Maybe you have a much looser definition of what a superstar is, but there's levels to this. An allstar isn't automatically a superstar in my opinion. That's also why i ask what your criteria is for a super team, because you aren't very clear on why you disagree....so clear it up.

I have no idea where you came up with that, since I never said that. You can be a great player and still not be an all star.
For example, Kyrie was one of the best player on the planet in 2016 and took Curry on 1 on 1. And he wasn't an all star.

[Turbo Slayer]

The Heatles were a superteam. Nobody should debate this.

The Heat could still win without LeBron.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I45gW4cjWIM&t=401s

You felt that the Heat were a threat even if LeBron wasn't playing.

[guy]

Do people consider the 2016 Warriors (pre-Durant) a superteam? Cause I've heard that plenty of times before, and if they are considered that, there's no way the Cavs shouldn't have been considered that.

[Hey Yo]

I dont know what the kid above me is smoking but the 2012 and 2013 heat as well as the 2016 and 2017 cavs were super teams.

Just because lebron's style of play limited his superstar teammates' raw stats, it doesnt mean they weren't superstars or that the teams weren't stacked.

The 2012 heat were more stacked than any team Jordan played with. And they still nearly went out to an aging Celtics team.
Dumb post is extremely dumb ^^^

[Whoah10115]

Super sidekick? Yes, AD is the only one i think of, i mean he is by far his best teammate ever.

Super TEAM? A great coach.... a complementary starting five... 6th man... bench... nah..


You are a true message board loser.

Come out of the woodwork only for useless information.

[AirTupac]

Is there a link to this quote? The OP hates Lebron so I cant quite trust something that isnt sourced.


Its literally in the OP in a video where LeBron speaks it word for word. You are dumb as ass kid.

[SouBeachTalents]

Super sidekick? Yes, AD is the only one i think of, i mean he is by far his best teammate ever.

Super TEAM? A great coach.... a complementary starting five... 6th man... bench... nah..
Nah, 2011 Wade was his best teammate, although AD is a better fit with LeBron

[SouBeachTalents]

The Heat could still win without LeBron.

You felt that the Heat were a threat even if LeBron wasn't playing.
They absolutely could not :oldlol: Unless you really want to emphasize an extremely small sample size of regular season games. They couldn't even survive a poor showing by him in 2011. And two other notable playoff games he missed crucial minutes (2014 ECF Game 5 & 2014 Finals Game 1) they lost too

[Axe]

Do people consider the 2016 Warriors (pre-Durant) a superteam? Cause I've heard that plenty of times before, and if they are considered that, there's no way the Cavs shouldn't have been considered that.
When they went 73-9 and lost the finals? Most likely.

[Turbo Slayer]

They absolutely could not :oldlol: Unless you really want to emphasize an extremely small sample size of regular season games. They couldn't even survive a poor showing by him in 2011. And two other notable playoff games he missed crucial minutes (2014 ECF Game 5 & 2014 Finals Game 1) they lost too I agree.

[Turbo Slayer]

When they went 73-9 and lost the finals? Most likely. I dont think the 2016 GSW were a superteam though.

[Axe]

I dont think the 2016 GSW were a superteam though.
They had 3 all-stars starting that year. And curry was back-to-back league mvp.

[Turbo Slayer]

They had 3 all-stars starting that year. And curry was back-to-back league mvp. I dont think people in 2015 or 2016 called them a superteam necessarily.

[Axe]

I dont think people in 2015 or 2016 called them a superteam necessarily.
Touché. 😟

[Turbo Slayer]

My definition of a superteam are a team that has 3 stars that has the talent individually to lead a team by themselves.

Think of the Heatles. D-Wade led his team to a title. Bosh was a great player in Toronto who led his own team to the playoffs multiple times. And LeBron led the Cavs to high seeds multiple times contending in the Playoffs prior to 2010

[Axe]

My definition of a superteam are a team that has 3 stars that has the talent individually to lead a team by themselves.

Think of the Heatles. D-Wade led his team to a title. Bosh was a great player in Toronto who led his own team to the playoffs multiple times. And LeBron led the Cavs to high seeds multiple times contending in the Playoffs prior to 2010
👍👍👍

[Turbo Slayer]

Think of this way. Would you imagine Draymond or Klay leading their own teams? That would be a disaster!

We all know Curry is a superstar and can lead his own team.

Draymond is not a superstar/star by any stretch obviously. Draymond just benefited from very good circumstances by playing in a great system and playing with one of the greatest teams ever assembled.

Klay? Klay was never considered a MVP candidate. Nor he was All-NBA.

[SouBeachTalents]

Think of this way. Would you imagine Draymond or Klay leading their own teams? That would be a disaster!

We all know Curry is a superstar and can lead his own team.

Draymond is not a superstar/star by any stretch obviously. Draymond just benefited from very good circumstances by playing in a great system and playing with one of the greatest teams ever assembled.

Klay? Klay was never considered a MVP candidate. Nor he was All-NBA.
Klay & Dray both have more All-NBA selections than Bosh. And it's not like 3 playoff wins & 5 losing seasons in 7 years is some incredibly high bar to match

[Turbo Slayer]

To put it simply the 2016 Warriors were clicking at the right time, had good chemistry, and played one of the best basketball we have ever seen during that stretch.

[Axe]

To put it simply the 2016 Warriors were clicking at the right time, had good chemistry, and played one of the best basketball we have ever seen during that stretch.
Until the postseason came lol.

[Turbo Slayer]

Klay & Dray both have more All-NBA selections than Bosh. And it's not like 3 playoff wins & 5 losing seasons in 7 years is some incredibly high bar to match

Bosh was considered to be a top 10 PF at the time. He was good.

Bosh has shown the capability to lead his teams to the Playoffs. Show me a season where Klay and Dray carried their teams to the Playoffs once.

[Turbo Slayer]

Until the postseason came lol. :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

Bosh was considered to be a top 10 PF at the time. He was good.

Bosh has shown the capability to lead his teams to the Playoffs. Show me a season where Klay and Dray carried their teams to the Playoffs once.
Klay has never even had that opportunity :oldlol: Who knows with Klay, he's definitely not a prototypical franchise player, but you put him in a situation like Korver was in with the Hawks, that's a playoff team. Dray leading a team to the playoffs as it's best player is obviously unlikely, but so is a guy like Rodman.

The argument is just devoid of logic. You try to stand behind Bosh being a franchise player when the guy went 211-320 in his Raptors tenure. Being a better but still extremely mediocre first option doesn't tell the whole story on who the better player is. I'd take Klay over Bosh on my team the vast majority of the time, if my team has two scorers I'd definitely take Rodman, and depending on the makeup of my team I could potentially take Dray over him too

[Axe]

Klay has never even had that opportunity :oldlol: Who knows with Klay, he's definitely not a prototypical franchise player, but you put him in a situation like Korver was in with the Hawks, that's a playoff team. Dray leading a team to the playoffs as it's best player is obviously unlikely, but so is a guy like Rodman.

The argument is just devoid of logic. You try to stand behind Bosh being a franchise player when the guy went 211-320 in his Raptors tenure. Being a better but still extremely mediocre first option doesn't tell the whole story on who the better player is. I'd take Klay over Bosh on my team the vast majority of the time, if my team has two scorers I'd definitely take Rodman, and depending on the makeup of my team I could potentially take Dray over him too
Lmao what do you expect? Historically, toronto was an inferior team during the last, last decade.

[Turbo Slayer]

Klay has never even had that opportunity :oldlol: Who knows with Klay, he's definitely not a prototypical franchise player, but you put him in a situation like Korver was in with the Hawks, that's a playoff team. Dray leading a team to the playoffs as it's best player is obviously unlikely, but so is a guy like Rodman.

The argument is just devoid of logic. You try to stand behind Bosh being a franchise player when the guy went 211-320 in his Raptors tenure. Being a better but still extremely mediocre first option doesn't tell the whole story on who the better player is. I'd take Klay over Bosh on my team the vast majority of the time, if my team has two scorers I'd definitely take Rodman, and depending on the makeup of my team I could potentially take Dray over him too
Chris Bosh never had a steady supporting cast around him. Chris Bosh had plenty of 2nd options throughout his tenure in Toronto. Mike James was one. He averaged 20 points on 44% on threes but he only stayed in Toronto for 1 year in 2005-06.

Jose Calderon was another player who was 2nd option for the Raptors. He was putting up nearly 10 points per game. Thats far from "adequate" help.

Also the Raptors had Bargnani who wasnt that great either anyway.

The Raptors missed the Playoffs 5 of 7 times during Bosh's tenure with the Raptors too.

Besides, no star wanted to play with the Raptors during the timeframe. Also keep in mind the front office was not competent at all at getting Bosh decent help.
The supporting cast was simply bad. Are you really gonna knock Bosh for just playing on a terrible team in a bad Eastern Conference? No I don't think so.


Being a better but still extremely mediocre first option doesn't tell the whole story on who the better player is Really? Bosh was a versatile big man. That was rare back then.

He was a good FT shooter posting around 80% in his time with the Raptors. He could also post up and pass too. He was a good mid range shooter too. Putting 20 points on 50% FG isnt exactly mediocore...


I'd take Klay over Bosh on my team the vast majority of the time,

Klay hasnt done shit to lead a team to the Playoffs but Bosh has twice as the franchise player.


if my team has two scorers I'd definitely take Rodman, Bosh is more of a scoring threat. Rodman isn't. Why would you pick Rodman when you could pick Bosh to space the floor out and add a dimension to your team???

[Turbo Slayer]

Lmao what do you expect? Historically, toronto was an inferior team during the last, last decade. Fact.

[Turbo Slayer]

I have no idea where you came up with that, since I never said that. You can be a great player and still not be an all star.
For example, Kyrie was one of the best player on the planet in 2016 and took Curry on 1 on 1. And he wasn't an all star.


Kyrie was one of the best player on the planet in 2016 You are just revising history. Its just pure revisionist history.

Kyrie wasn't considered top 5 at the time.

He wasn't selected to the All NBA team (1st, 2nd, or 3rd either).

He also wasn't All-Defensive either.

[Turbo Slayer]

You are just revising history. Its just pure revisionist history.

Kyrie wasn't considered top 5 at the time.

He wasn't selected to the All NBA team (1st, 2nd, or 3rd either).

He also wasn't All-Defensive either. Also Kyrie was out for the first 24 games due to his knee injury in the regular season so he missed 1/4 of the season in 2016.

[LostCause]

Kyrie has never been a Top 5 player (Probably not even Top 10) but he was definitely playing like one in the 2016 Finals. He outplayed the back-to-back MVP and there's no way to undersell how important that was

[sdot_thadon]

You are just revising history. Its just pure revisionist history.

Kyrie wasn't considered top 5 at the time.

He wasn't selected to the All NBA team (1st, 2nd, or 3rd either).

He also wasn't All-Defensive either.

Mmm Hmm.

[Mr Feeny]

You are just revising history. Its just pure revisionist history.

Kyrie wasn't considered top 5 at the time.

He wasn't selected to the All NBA team (1st, 2nd, or 3rd either).

He also wasn't All-Defensive either.

Why are you wasting my time with a strawman argument?

I dont remember saying he was a top 5 player but yet he was an superstar in 2016. And especially during the finals.

Troll harder.

[Mr Feeny]

Until the postseason came lol.



Absolutely. The version of the Warriors with hobbled Curry and Iggy and no Bogut obviously wasnt the same team we saw in the regular season.

[LeCroix]

Absolutely. The version of the Warriors with hobbled Curry and Iggy and no Bogut obviously wasnt the same team we saw in the regular season.

Why is Curry hobbled? Look to his series with OKC Durant Thunder. His averages show astounding non hobbled features with 28-6-6 and a shooting fg of 44% which all numbers bigly declined in Finals series.

[Manny98]

A superteam is a team that can win 55+ games without it's best player

LeBron hasn't even played on a team that could make the playoffs without him so how could he have played on a superteam

2011 Heat were top heavy just 3 players and a bunch of scrubs, most people on this forum wouldn't be able to name some of the trash on that team outside the big 3

[Turbo Slayer]

Kyrie has never been a Top 5 player (Probably not even Top 10) but he was definitely playing like one in the 2016 Finals. He outplayed the back-to-back MVP and there's no way to undersell how important that was This.

[Turbo Slayer]

Absolutely. The version of the Warriors with hobbled Curry and Iggy and no Bogut obviously wasnt the same team we saw in the regular season. LOL. You can't accept reality that Kyrie was probably not a top 10 player in the 2016 regular season.

Kyrie played his ass off in the 2016 Finals and I give him credit for that. But during the regular season? Nah.

[Manny98]

Kyrie has never been a Top 5 player (Probably not even Top 10) but he was definitely playing like one in the 2016 Finals. He outplayed the back-to-back MVP and there's no way to undersell how important that was
He was playing like one because of LeElevate :applause:

[AirTupac]

i will always be here to set LeBron stans straight. I am the one who holds the truth.

Another exposed LeDumb thread.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

Absolutely. The version of the Warriors with hobbled Curry and Iggy and no Bogut obviously wasnt the same team we saw in the regular season.

I don’t want to admit it but this is true.

[Mr Feeny]

Why is Curry hobbled? Look to his series with OKC Durant Thunder. His averages show astounding non hobbled features with 28-6-6 and a shooting fg of 44% which all numbers bigly declined in Finals series.

Billy?

He was hobbled because healthy Steph doesn't struggle to get by Kevin love on isolation. Beating an injured Steph isn't the same as facing the same Warriors team that dominated the regular season?

[aj1987]

He was a good FT shooter posting around 80% in his time with the Raptors. He could also post up and pass too. He was a good mid range shooter too. Putting 20 points on 50% FG isnt exactly mediocore...
You do know that he scored ZERO points in a G7 of the Finals, right? Missed every single shot.

This is from Bosh himself:

"I don't bang anybody anymore," Bosh said. "It's a tired thing for me. It's not my strength and I understand that."




Klay hasnt done shit to lead a team to the Playoffs but Bosh has twice as the franchise player.

Bosh is more of a scoring threat. Rodman isn't. Why would you pick Rodman when you could pick Bosh to space the floor out and add a dimension to your team???

Klay single handedly won crucial games in the PO's for the Warriors. Bosh has never been that dude.

[trada7029]

22-year old Lebron made the Finals, while 22-year MJ lost in the 1st Round because only juggernauts won the East in the 80's - weak teams like the 01' Sixers, 03' Nets, 07' Cavs, or 09' Magic weren't winning the East back then - Bird needed 3 HOF teammates to win the 80's East.... ditto Dr J.... Isiah needed a starting 5 that were all 3x all-stars or better (Dumars, Isiah, Rodman, Laimbeer, Aguirre.. edit: Rodman was 2x all-star and 2x dpoy)

Ultimately, lebron won 8 straight conference finals only AFTER his "decision" formed a strong team in a conference that weak teams were routinely winning - aka Dwight, AI, Kidd, and 07' Lebron all won the East with weak casts, so it's no surprise that a strong team had a winning streak.. Ultimately, Lebron couldn't win the East in 09/10, so he stacked the deck from 11-18' to ensure Finals runs

Furthermore - nearly all teams made the playoffs in the 80's (16 of 23 teams), so Jordan's 30-40 win teams made it as 8 seed and faced impossible 8 vs 1 matchups in the 1st Round.. Otoh, today's bigger league meant that Lebron's 30-40 win teams missed the 8 seed and avoided impossible 1st Round matchups vs the 19' Warriors or 05' Pistons.. instead, lebron only made the playoffs with high seeds/good teams and easy 1st round matchups his entire career

Ultimately, Jordans 80's teams had zero accolades...Otoh, Lebron's 05-10' casts had 2 all-stars (Zydrunas, Mo) and another recent all-star/all-star caliber player (Jamison), and also 2 all-defenders, top defenses and the Coach of the Year.. Lebron's more decorated cast explains how he won more games with less stats (28/8/7 won 66, while Jordan's 33/8/8 won 47.. or 35/6/6/dpoy won 50)
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[Axe]

22-year old Lebron made the Finals, while 22-year MJ lost in the 1st Round because only juggernauts won the East in the 80's - weak teams like the 01' Sixers, 03' Nets, 07' Cavs, or 09' Magic weren't winning the East back then - Bird needed 3 HOF teammates to win the 80's East.... ditto Dr J.... Isiah needed a starting 5 that were all 3x all-stars or better (Dumars, Isiah, Rodman, Laimbeer, Aguirre.. edit: Rodman was 2x all-star and 2x dpoy)

Ultimately, lebron won 8 straight conference finals only AFTER his "decision" formed a strong team in a conference that weak teams were routinely winning - aka Dwight, AI, Kidd, and 07' Lebron all won the East with weak casts, so it's no surprise that a strong team had a winning streak.. Ultimately, Lebron couldn't win the East in 09/10, so he stacked the deck from 11-18' to ensure Finals runs

Furthermore - nearly all teams made the playoffs in the 80's (16 of 23 teams), so Jordan's 30-40 win teams made it as 8 seed and faced impossible 8 vs 1 matchups in the 1st Round.. Otoh, today's bigger league meant that Lebron's 30-40 win teams missed the 8 seed and avoided impossible 1st Round matchups vs the 19' Warriors or 05' Pistons.. instead, lebron only made the playoffs with high seeds/good teams and easy 1st round matchups his entire career

Ultimately, Jordans 80's teams had zero accolades...Otoh, Lebron's 05-10' casts had 2 all-stars (Zydrunas, Mo) and another recent all-star/all-star caliber player (Jamison), and also 2 all-defenders, top defenses and the Coach of the Year.. Lebron's more decorated cast explains how he won more games with less stats (28/8/7 won 66, while Jordan's 33/8/8 won 47.. or 35/6/6/dpoy won 50)
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Interesting observation.