Which point guard would you build your team around: Magic or Stockton

[LukeWalton]

arguably the best point guard of the 80s versus the best point guard of the 90s

who would you build your team around?

[SouBeachTalents]

Magic was "arguably" the best PG of the 80's :oldlol:

[Turbo Slayer]

Magic Johnson. Not even close.

[LAmbruh]

John Stockton had Karl Malone for 17 playoffs and couldn't sniff 1 chip


He was too unselftish on offense to a point where he became a liability and teams new he'd only pass to pad his assists


10ppg scorer and under <10 assists per game for half his career, one of the most overrated players of all time similar to many 90's stars

[Round Mound]

Magic. cause of his size to be able to over everyone. If you have fast players who can run and go on a fast break Magic is the one.

Stockton was evern a better pure passer than Magic and him and Karl Malone where THE BEST OFFENSIVE DUO Of All Time.

Can't go wrong with both of them

[SouBeachTalents]

Stockton was evern a better pure passer than Magic and him and Karl Malone where THE BEST OFFENSIVE DUO Of All Time.[/B
Nah, I'd easily take Curry/Durant & Shaq/Kobe over them

Real talk, they couldn't even duplicate what LeBron & Kyrie did in 2016

[LAmbruh]

Stockton was evern a better pure passer than Magic and him and Karl Malone where THE BEST OFFENSIVE DUO Of All Time.



the best duo? for what the regular season? :roll::roll:


1986 - choked 1st rnd vs Mavs
1987 - choked 1st rnd vs Warriors (as favorites)
1988 - choked semi's vs Lakers (5 seed)
1989 - choked 1st rnd vs Warriors (as favorites)
1990 - choked 1st rnd vs Suns (as favorites)
1991 - choked semi's vs Trailblazers (5 seed)
1992 - choked WCF vs Trailblazers
1993 - choked 1st rnd vs Sonics
1994 - choked WCF vs Rockets
1995 - choked 1st rnd vs Rockets (as favorites)
1996 - choked WCF vs Sonics
1997 - choked Finals vs Bulls
1998 - choked Finals vs Bulls
1999 - choked semi's vs Blazers
2000 - choked semi's vs Blazers (as favorites)
2001 - choked 1st rnd vs Mavs (as favorites)
2002 - choked 1st rnd vs Kings
2003 - choked 1st rnd vs Kings (5 seed)



You could pick a duo out of a hat from any championship team and they'd have more hardware than the original trash bro's

[Round Mound]

Those where more dynamic duos ala Jordan and Pippen (the best dynamic duo ever).

But im just talking about OFFENSE. The Stockton-Malone Duo Gave You More Points and Assists than any other duo.

[scuzzy]

Those where more dynamic duos ala Jordan and Pippen (the best dynamic duo ever).

But im just talking about OFFENSE. The Stockton-Malone Duo Gave You More Points and Assists than any other duo.
bro what you talking about

even AD and 35yo Bron ramp up more points and assists than Malone or Stockton ever did

only reason Stockton and Malone accumulated so much is because the two played a record 1,412 games together as teammates, and that's just regular season

[Round Mound]

Stockton and Malone gave Shaq´s Lakers a big headache don´t forget that and they where passed their primes when they kept beating Shaq's young Lakers (untill Kobe became a great player)

Stockton and Malone in 1988 took Magic-Kareem-Worthy Lakers to the brink of elimination in a legendary 7 game series.

Stockton and Malone just needed another better 3rd option and they would have rings.

[RRR3]

This is like asking who's better between Michael Jordan and Clyde Drexler.

[colts19]

Stockton and Malone gave Shaq´s Lakers a big headache don´t forget that and they where passed their primes when they kept beating Shaq's young Lakers (untill Kobe became a great player)

Stockton and Malone in 1988 took Magic-Kareem-Worthy Lakers to the brink of elimination in a legendary 7 game series.

Stockton and Malone just needed another better 3rd option and they would have rings.

Just put a player like andrew toney on that team and they would have won a couple rings.

[SATAN]

Magic can defend multiple positions. I really liked Stockton but it's a no brainer.

[Round Mound]

Just put a player like andrew toney on that team and they would have won a couple rings.


Indeed. Infact just having Eaton "The Best Rim Protector of the 80s" they made it hell for the more stacked Lakers in 88. Had Eaton and Thurl Bayly lasted till 97 or 98...Stockton and Malone would be champions.

Old passed their primes 33 and 34: Stockton, Malone and Hornacek gave Shaq's younger more athletic Lakers problems. They where all passed their primes.

There is more to the game than hust jumping ability or dunking. Stockton/Malone/Hornacek's Jazz had a way higher B-Ball IQ than the Lakers. This is not a dunk contest but basketball: IQ/Chemistry/Intelligence/Witts/Experience/Skills > Dunking and Jumping High

[Xiao Yao You]

Indeed. Infact just having Eaton "The Best Rim Protector of the 80s" they made it hell for the more stacked Lakers in 88. Had Eaton and Thurl Bayly lasted till 97 or 98...Stockton and Malone would be champions.

Old passed their primes 33 and 34: Stockton, Malone and Hornacek gave Shaq's younger more athletic Lakers problems. They where all passed their primes.

There is more to the game than hust jumping ability or dunking. Stockton/Malone/Hornacek's Jazz had a way higher B-Ball IQ than the Lakers. This is not a dunk contest but basketball: IQ/Chemistry/Intelligence/Witts/Experience/Skills > Dunking and Jumping High

They got better after Eaton was done. It's no coincidence. They were playing 4 on 5 at the offensive end.

[Round Mound]

They got better after Eaton was done. It's no coincidence. They were playing 4 on 5 at the offensive end.

But Eaton gave them rebounding and rim protection. Kareem was well guarded by Eaton. If Eaton and Baily where plaing in their primes in 97 and 98, Stockton and Malone would be champions

[Smoke117]

lol

[scuzzy]

Stockton and Malone gave Shaq´s Lakers a big headache don´t forget that and they where passed their primes when they kept beating Shaq's young Lakers (untill Kobe became a great player)


Old passed their primes 33 and 34: Stockton, Malone and Hornacek gave Shaq's younger more athletic Lakers problems. They where all passed their primes.

24yo Shaq with 2nd option Nick Van Exel, no one besides those two scored over 10ppg in the WCF. Meanwhile Stockton was just Utah 4th option scoring only 13ppg.

You can pick about 6-7 playoffs they got bounced from as favorites to underwhelming teams. Beating baby 96 Lakers with HCA isn't the best measurement of greatness. Lots of teams long dicked Penny and O'neal in the 90's

Doesn't matter which era, Stockton was a 13-10-2 career guy. CP3 is 18-10-2 with the same hardware but unlike Stockton, Paul gets blasted for being a playoff choker and he's never had a 25-10-4 superstar in Malone until last year with Harden. And obviously that one season, one game from Finals.

[Round Mound]

The disrespect John Stockton is getting is unreal. He hardly took bad shots that's why hi FG% was one of the highest for PGs. Stockton was capable of averaging 17-20 PPG on 48-50% FG but he preferred to make others better and let others score more. In his peak he was averaging 14-17 PPPG on 50-57% FG, 13-14 APG and 3.0 SPG while playing pretty good defense and taking clutch shots. There is a reason why Gary Payton says that Stockton was his most feared opponent. Stockton was white yes and the best PG of the 90's. His leadership, clutch play and competitiveness goes beyoned stats. And if you go by Stats he is the best Passer-Creator of Offense Ever and the Best Stealer for PGs Ever. He just wasn´t flashy enough to satisfy the "younger" crowds who love athletic maneuvers and dunk highlights instead of watching the actual flow of the game. Lets also remember that his stats are lowered cause he played alot of years passed his prime. In his Peak he was a 17-14-3-3 on 50% plus higher FG% for 10 years. Anyone who watched the 90's will say to you that Stockton was a stud and great player only "younger" fans try to descredit his game.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1988-nba-western-conference-semifinals-jazz-vs-lakers.html

Pre Sloan against Showtime Stockton put up 19/16/3 with 4 steals a game on 50.5% against peak Magic. Stockton was easily the best PG and player of the series.

Magic is better but Stockton is underrated. He couldve produced more if he wasnt coached by a control freak like Jerry Sloan

[Axe]

Interesting that magic has the size and versatility to play at any position.

[Round Mound]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1988-nba-western-conference-semifinals-jazz-vs-lakers.html

Pre Sloan against Showtime Stockton put up 19/16/3 with 4 steals a game on 50.5% against peak Magic. Stockton was easily the best PG and player of the series.

Magic is better but Stockton is underrated. He couldve produced more if he wasnt coached by a control freak like Jerry Sloan

:applause:

[FultzNationRISE]

The answer is Magic but in fairness to Stockton, it’s extremely challenging to play NBA basketball when youve been selling insurance from 9-5 all day. The fact he actually holds some of the most significant records of the 90s is pretty astonishing.

[SATAN]

Stockton would still be a great player today. You're just being ignorant. Stockton is a legend for a reason.

[aj1987]

Those where more dynamic duos ala Jordan and Pippen (the best dynamic duo ever).

But im just talking about OFFENSE. The Stockton-Malone Duo Gave You More Points and Assists than any other duo.

WTF? :roll:

LeBron/Kyrie, Pippen/Jordan, Shaq/Kobe, LeBron/Wade (2011), Kareem/Magic, WB/Harden, LeBron/AD, etc..

Stock/Malone BEST season together (statistically) - 48 PPG and 17 APG (#10 offense)

Pip/Jordan in '92 - 51 PPG and 13 APG (#1 offense)

Shaq/Kobe in '01 - 57 PPG and 8 APG (#2 offense)

LeBron/Wade in '11 - 52 PPG and 12 APG (#3 offense)

LeBron/Kyrie in '16 - 52 PPG and 15 APG (#3 offense)

LeBron/AD in '20 - 52 PPG and 14 APG (#4 offense)

Harden/WB in '20 - 62 PPG and 14 APG (#2 offense)



What are you smoking, my dude?

[86Celtics]

John Stockton had Karl Malone for 17 playoffs and couldn't sniff 1 chip


He was too unselftish on offense to a point where he became a liability and teams new he'd only pass to pad his assists


10ppg scorer and under <10 assists per game for half his career, one of the most overrated players of all time similar to many 90's stars

Shut up troll

[Xiao Yao You]

But Eaton gave them rebounding and rim protection. Kareem was well guarded by Eaton. If Eaton and Baily where plaing in their primes in 97 and 98, Stockton and Malone would be champions

If Malone hadn't played his worst when it counted most and Sloan hadn't been out coached they could have won anyway. They also could have won many other years without a cheap owner and a coaching change.

[Jasper]

THis debate has gone of decades.
Majic was a floor leader as well as team leader....

BUT I want everyone to remember what Majic said , WHO IS THE BEST PG IN THE LEAGUE ?
Majic " Stockton"

John was an exceptional floor leader , as well as a defender. But people for get he was a PURE shooter.
Majic was far from a good shooter, and developed a set shoot that Riley worked with him.

I take Stockton as PG , Majic as team leader.

[LostCause]

The answer is Magic but in fairness to Stockton, it’s extremely challenging to play NBA basketball when youve been selling insurance from 9-5 all day. The fact he actually holds some of the most significant records of the 90s is pretty astonishing.:oldlol:

[Manny98]

the best duo? for what the regular season? :roll::roll:


1986 - choked 1st rnd vs Mavs
1987 - choked 1st rnd vs Warriors (as favorites)
1988 - choked semi's vs Lakers (5 seed)
1989 - choked 1st rnd vs Warriors (as favorites)
1990 - choked 1st rnd vs Suns (as favorites)
1991 - choked semi's vs Trailblazers (5 seed)
1992 - choked WCF vs Trailblazers
1993 - choked 1st rnd vs Sonics
1994 - choked WCF vs Rockets
1995 - choked 1st rnd vs Rockets (as favorites)
1996 - choked WCF vs Sonics
1997 - choked Finals vs Bulls
1998 - choked Finals vs Bulls
1999 - choked semi's vs Blazers
2000 - choked semi's vs Blazers (as favorites)
2001 - choked 1st rnd vs Mavs (as favorites)
2002 - choked 1st rnd vs Kings
2003 - choked 1st rnd vs Kings (5 seed)



You could pick a duo out of a hat from any championship team and they'd have more hardware than the original trash bro's
MJs toughest finals competition ladies and gentlemen :oldlol:

[bizil]

Come on!!! EASILY Magic!! He was an ultimate pass first PG who can ALSO dominate games scoring. Can play PG, SG, SF, PF,and C at times. And from there is on the Mt. Rushmore of triple double threats.

[HoopsNY]

Magic was a prolific scorer and passer, not to mention he could rebound. Stockton was an amazing general in his own right and his performance against the Lakers in the '88 WCF was truly remarkable. But I'd have to say Magic. The combination of scoring and passing is what gets the nod. And honestly, Magic led his team to the NBA finals 9 times, winning 5 of them. I get his teams were better, but even on an individual level Magic was better.

[houston]

Nah, I'd easily take Curry/Durant & Shaq/Kobe over them

Real talk, they couldn't even duplicate what LeBron & Kyrie did in 2016

this true right here

[Axe]

MJs toughest finals competition ladies and gentlemen :oldlol:
Butthurt narrative