Why did LeBron only play with an All-NBA teammate 4 times in 17 seasons?

[Mamba4Life]

2011 Wade - All-NBA 2nd team
2012 Wade - All-NBA 3rd team
2013 Wade - All-NBA 3rd team
2015 Kyrie - All-NBA 3rd team


So only 4 all-nba teammates in 17 seasons, and only once had an All-NBA 2nd team teammate or better

Why?

[STATUTORY]

hard to make the all-nba team when you are spotting up in the corner

[SouBeachTalents]

Would've been 5/17 with AD making it this year. He might've even been DPOY this year

[tpols]

Bosh and Love both made All NBA teams before Lebron.

Couldnt make it with him. (??)

Pau Gasol never made one before Kobe.

And then there's Anthony Davis... :facepalm

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Lol. Lebron stans bounce between:

"All star teammates", "All-NBA teammates", and "Hall of Fame teammates".

It just depends on what point they 'think' they're trying to prove.

Truth be told, Lebron has played with more All-Stars in NBA history than any other player.

[Axe]

Doesn't change the fact that bran actually played with former fmvp dwyane wade when the former won his first chip way back 8 years ago.

[Roundball_Rock]

Bosh and Love both made All NBA teams before Lebron.

Couldnt make it with him. (??)

Pau Gasol never made one before Kobe.

And then there's Anthony Davis... :facepalm

Gasol was not an all-star his final three years with Kobe. He leaves and becomes an all-NBA 2nd team player in Chicago so we can't attribute it to Kobe.

[tpols]

Gasol was not an all-star his final three years with Kobe. He leaves and becomes an all-NBA 2nd team player in Chicago so we can't attribute it to Kobe.

So both Pau and Bosh... across their entire careers made 1 All NBA team a piece outside kobe and lebron respectively.

But we all know pau was better with Lakers than he was anywhere else.

Cant say the same for Bosh & Love.

[Roundball_Rock]

So both Pau and Bosh... across their entire careers made 1 All NBA team a piece outside kobe and lebron respectively.

:coleman:

Bosh made one all-NBA team total in his career, four years before LeBron, so LeBron didn't stop a trend of all-NBA selections. Gasol made four all-NBA teams. Gasol improved when he joined Kobe and he improved after he left Kobe. Maybe I am biased but I remember him being a pleasant surprise in Chicago (the best FA signing in the Reinsdorf era--Boozer and Wallace were busts).

Comparing Bosh to the other second tier PFs of his era (so the guys behind Dirk and KG) he made 1, Boozer made 1, Gasol 4, Amare and Aldridge 5 each. He benefited from lazy media writers since it was easier to write "3 superstars" than "2 superstars and a third perennial all-star." I am surprised he got the hype he did during that offseason. Amare was playing at a MVP level in the second half of 2010 (on a contender) but Bosh got more hype.

Love was all-NBA his last two healthy years before LeBron and he was a second teamer both times so not a borderline selection. I think LeBron deserves some blame for Love's struggles in Cleveland.

Wade is another one you can blame LeBron partly for. The timing was bad as they paired for the tail end of Wade's prime but they did not mesh well together due to redundancies.

LeBron doesn't have a great track record integrating stars overall so that is a legit critique. Bosh, Love, Wade all regressed. Irving has been about the same with or without LeBron. Davis is the only one who thrived with LeBron, which has been a surprise.

[LeCroix]

Bosh and Love both made All NBA teams before Lebron.

Couldnt make it with him. (??)

Pau Gasol never made one before Kobe.

And then there's Anthony Davis... :facepalm

You are dirrect deflecting. Jerdan had better mates there is no spin.

[Axe]

You are dirrect deflecting. Jerdan had better mates there is no spin.
Simply just because they've won more in the finals? Lmao very amusing.

[rmt]

Why did Duncan win 4 NBA Championships WITHOUT ANY All-NBA team mate? And the fifth with only a second team All-NBA team mate (Parker)? Some of these questions - sheesh.

[deathawaitu]

Why did Duncan win 4 NBA Championships WITHOUT ANY All-NBA team mate? And the fifth with only a second team All-NBA team mate (Parker)? Some of these questions - sheesh.

Unfortunately Duncan gets under appreciated, but don't you worry since most fans has him as the GOAT PF and higher rank than Lebron

But to answer OP's question: Lebron turns every player into spot shooters. Lebron doesn't make anyone better, he needs to play with already established stars to win

[aj1987]

LeBron doesn't have a great track record integrating stars overall so that is a legit critique. Bosh, Love, Wade all regressed. Irving has been about the same with or without LeBron. Davis is the only one who thrived with LeBron, which has been a surprise.
What the **** are you smoking? When Wade was 100% healthy with LeBron in 2011, he was still putting up MVP numbers and was in MVP contention as well. Wade's knees were shot after the '11 season. In '12, Wade missed significant time, due to various injuries. His playing time dropped by about 4 minutes a game as well. Injuries are the reason why Wade regressed after the 2011 season. Irving had his best ever season (until that point) WITH LeBron. Tons of his teammates had their most efficient seasons while playing WITH LeBron. AD and LeBron being a monster duo was surprising? Maybe of people who have never watched LeBron play.



Unfortunately Duncan gets under appreciated, but don't you worry since most fans has him as the GOAT PF and higher rank than Lebron

But to answer OP's question: Lebron turns every player into spot shooters. Lebron doesn't make anyone better, he needs to play with already established stars to win

Yeah, just no. LeBron is universally ranked in the top 3 and is in conversations with the likes of Jordan and Kareem. Duncan? Not so much.

[Roundball_Rock]

When Wade was 100% healthy with LeBron in 2011, he was still putting up MVP numbers and was in MVP contention as well

Wade in 2010: 27/5/7 on 48%, 1st team all-NBA, 5th in MVP voting
Wade in 2011: 26/6/4 on 50%, 2nd team all-NBA, 7th in MVP voting

So a slight regression then a bigger drop in 12' and then another decline in 14'. Yeah, injuries were a factor but redundancies between LeBron and Wade were too. They tried to be 1a/1b the first year and it didn't work. Wade took a backseat after that and they won 2 chips.


Irving had his best ever season (until that point) WITH LeBron

Irving 13'-14': 22/4/6 on 44%
Irving 15'-17': 22/3/5 on 47%
Irving 18'-19': 24/4/6 on 49%

As I said, he has basically been the same before, with, and after LeBron.


Tons of his teammates had their most efficient seasons while playing WITH LeBron

True, non-stars play better with him.


AD and LeBron being a monster duo was surprising?

How did his previous big men work out with him? That they meshed so well was not a given.

[deathawaitu]

Yeah, just no. LeBron is universally ranked in the top 3 and is in conversations with the likes of Jordan and Kareem. Duncan? Not so much.

Nope, but nice try though

Lebron is only ranked top 3 among his own hardcore fan.

Most people have Lebron ranked 8-12 zone.

Let me remind you that Kblaze already did a poll last year on this topic. Lebron ended up ranked #8 on ISH which is basically home court advantage since it is filled with Lebron fanboys.

Sorry Lebron fan boys just have to deal with it. Lebron will never be in the Top 5.

[SouBeachTalents]

Nope, but nice try though

Lebron is only ranked top 3 among his own hardcore fan.

Most people have Lebron ranked 8-12 zone.

Let me remind you that Kblaze already did a poll last year on this topic. Lebron ended up ranked #8 on ISH which is basically home court advantage since it is filled with Lebron fanboys.

Sorry Lebron fan boys just have to deal with it. Lebron will never be in the Top 5.
Bro, you're legitimately making shit up, and just letting your feelings get in the way of having any reasonable discussion. "Most people" having LeBron ranked 8-12 is factually incorrect, it's like arguing the earth is flat. I want to see evidence of this claim. I'll even help you out, forget having him ranked 8-12, I want to see 3 rankings, post 2016 Finals, that have LeBron outside the top 5. Again, if "most people" have LeBron ranked roughly 10th like you claim, and I'm spotting you an extra 5 spots in the rankings to work with, this should be an incredibly easy task for you to do. It'd be like finding 3 rankings that have Shaq or Duncan top 10. If you back out or refuse, you're only conceding that you were full of shit

[deathawaitu]

Bro, you're legitimately making shit up, and just letting your feelings get in the way of having any reasonable discussion. "Most people" having LeBron ranked 8-12 is factually incorrect, it's like arguing the earth is flat. I want to see evidence of this claim. I'll even help you out, forget having him ranked 8-12, I want to see 3 rankings, post 2016 Finals, that have LeBron outside the top 5. Again, if "most people" have LeBron ranked roughly 10th like you claim, and I'm spotting you an extra 5 spots in the rankings to work with, this should be an incredibly easy task for you to do. It'd be like finding 3 rankings that have Shaq or Duncan top 10. If you back out or refuse, you're only conceding that you were full of shit

It's okay, you are still in the denial phase

Are you really saying that your "source" is these media list/poll? Really kiddo that's what you are going with? Like what less than 100 people?

Oh you want to use these polls that you claim "legit". How about that NBA.com poll POST 2016 that majority of the fans think Kobe is better than Lebron (KennethGriffen was spamming the pic). Or how about majority of ex players think Kobe is better than Lebron

Did that make you go on suicide watch son? Kobe is not a top 5 GOAT, yet your boy Lebron can't even beat him on an offical NBA.com poll. So most people think Lebron is ranked below Kobe according to that source. Are you going to argue that NBA.com is not a legit source and that ESPN, Nick Wright, and other nonsense is?

Here's some news for you kid, don't believe everything you see or hear in the media.

Get real kid, Lebron couldn't even make TOP 5 GOAT list poll ON ISH courtesy of KBlaze

Not sure why I even bother explaining this simple logic to a dumbass such as yourself.

You Lebron stans can go keep claiming he is GOAT similiar to how people think the Earth is flat

Whereas in the meantime, the rest of us will carry on with our lives and ignore kids like yourself

Lebron is currently 8-12, deal with it, accept it, and move on

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Damn. Rare poster got Southbeachtalents to crack his, "I promise I'm not a Lebron stan" shell.

Yikes.

[SouBeachTalents]

It's okay, you are still in the denial phase

Are you really saying that your "source" is these media list/poll? Really kiddo that's what you are going with? Like what less than 100 people?

Oh you want to use these polls that you claim "legit". How about that NBA.com poll POST 2016 that majority of the fans think Kobe is better than Lebron (KennethGriffen was spamming the pic). Or how about majority of ex players think Kobe is better than Lebron

Did that make you go on suicide watch son? Kobe is not a top 5 GOAT, yet your boy Lebron can't even beat him on an offical NBA.com poll. So most people think Lebron is ranked below Kobe according to that source. Are you going to argue that NBA.com is not a legit source and that ESPN, Nick Wright, and other nonsense is?

Here's some news for you kid, don't believe everything you see or hear in the media.

Get real kid, Lebron couldn't even make TOP 5 GOAT list poll ON ISH courtesy of KBlaze

Not sure why I even bother explaining this simple logic to a dumbass such as yourself.

You Lebron stans can go keep claiming he is GOAT similiar to how people think the Earth is flat

Whereas in the meantime, the rest of us will carry on with our lives and ignore kids like yourself

Lebron is currently 8-12, deal with it, accept it, and move on
Whole lotta meltdown, no proof whatsoever :lol

[deathawaitu]

Damn. Rare poster got Southbeachtalents to crack his, "I promise I'm not a Lebron stan" shell.

Yikes.

Slaying these Lebron stans is not something I am proud of

I'm won't disagree enough if someone tells me Lebron is top 10

What I have an issue is when they claim Lebron is Top 5.

When someone claims that Lebron in the top 5, that to me is an insult to the game of basketball. (I ignore trolls such as wheels, hits alts, and burger boy red1)

My top 5 are cemented for now Jordan, KAJ, Russ, Magic, Bird.

All these players actually has true basketball "skills" and perfect their own craft in what they do best

Let's be honest, Lebron has average (that's me being nice) basketball skills for someone that is arguably top 10.. His footwork, dribble, ball handing, etc are really quite poor compare to other greats

[deathawaitu]

Whole lotta meltdown, no proof whatsoever :lol

So predictable, typical response from a Lebron fanboy after getting slayed and ethered :lol

I'll wait for you to log onto your alts to high five each other :oldlol:

[Turbo Slayer]

I will be posting rankings in the link below.

1. https://www.thedelite.com/best-nba-basketball-players-of-all-time/50/

[Turbo Slayer]

2. https://www.lineups.com/articles/top-50-nba-players-all-time/

[Turbo Slayer]

3. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/cbs-sports-50-greatest-nba-players-of-all-time-where-do-lebron-curry-rank/

[Turbo Slayer]

4. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2854727-bleacher-reports-all-time-player-rankings-nbas-top-50-revealed

[SouBeachTalents]

So predictable, typical response from a Lebron fanboy after getting slayed and ethered :lol

I'll wait for you to log onto your alts to high five each other :oldlol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hUWPBvppvU

[Turbo Slayer]

5. https://seatgeek.com/tba/sports/top-10-best-nba-players-of-all-time/https://seatgeek.com/tba/sports/top-10-best-nba-players-of-all-time/

[Turbo Slayer]

6. https://www.foxsports.com/nba/gallery/ranking-the-25-greatest-players-in-nba-history-100716

[Turbo Slayer]

7. https://www.britannica.com/list/the-10-greatest-basketball-players-of-all-time

[Turbo Slayer]

8. https://medium.com/@afinlay/the-top-5-nba-players-of-all-time-by-position-best-players-overall-of-all-time-3b29a394a13

[SouBeachTalents]

Turbo, you don't have to waste your time bro. You're gonna be able to find probably close to 50 rankings that have LeBron top 5, usually top 2 or 3. Lets see if anyone can find me even 2-3 post 2016 that has him outside the top 5

[Turbo Slayer]

9. https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/steph-curry-reveals-his-top-five-greatest-nba-players-all-time

Steph Curry put LeBron in his top 5.

[Turbo Slayer]

Turbo, you don't have to waste your time bro. You're gonna be able to find probably close to 50 rankings that have LeBron top 5, usually top 2 or 3. Lets see if anyone can find me even 2-3 post 2016 that has him outside the top 5 :oldlol:

I know. In order to make my argument strong I have to set up multiple data points that support my argument.

I´ll stop at #10. Lol.

[Turbo Slayer]

10. https://sportscroll.com/30-greatest-players-in-nba-history/29/

[Turbo Slayer]

So predictable, typical response from a Lebron fanboy after getting slayed and ethered :lol

I'll wait for you to log onto your alts to high five each other :oldlol: You see, I have 1 problem with you. It isn´t about your username. I have no problems with that.

It´s about your statements. You just spew bullshit and never back it up with evidence! You are like the lite version of Skip Bayless.

You never make substantiated claims. You just make unsubstantiated claims!

You lack consistency and you don´t ever admit that you are wrong. Lol at anybody having a conversation with you on this board.

I´m done having conversations with you.

Aint nobody takes your ass seriously.

[deathawaitu]

You see, I have 1 problem with you. It isn´t about your username. I have no problems with that.

It´s about your statements. You just spew bullshit and never back it up with evidence! You are like the lite version of Skip Bayless.

You never make substantiated claims. You just make unsubstantiated claims!

You lack consistency and you don´t ever admit that you are wrong. Lol at anybody having a conversation with you on this board.

I´m done having conversations with you.

Aint nobody takes your ass seriously.

Why you keep following me? Looks like I got you on a leash monkey boy :oldlol:

Yet you had a meltdown spamming in this thread along with your lebron fans boys :lol

Thanks for proving my point, all your sources are nonsense lolol. Nba.com > all your source (your sources consist of 10-20 mental midgets like yourself)

Nice kiddo thanks for playing. Now go run around and keep pretending to be 12 years old. Or did you drop that act already after I keep exposing and ethering you?

Like I said, you can keep screaming Legoat and keep believing the earth is flat

Here is some sources that you love. Please dont go on suicide watch. The public and people has spoken Kobe > Lebron :oldlol::lol

https://www.espn.com/sportsnation/story/_/id/20227321/sportsnation-how-rank-lebron-james-kobe-bryant

https://m.facebook.com/FirstTake/posts/1905404669519462

[warriorfan]

Why did LeBron join with the 2nd and 4th ranked PER to get outscored by Jason Terry and lose in the NBA Finals?

[Turbo Slayer]

Why you keep following me? Looks like I got you on a leash monkey boy :oldlol:

Yet you had a meltdown spamming in this thread along with your lebron fans boys :lol

Thanks for proving my point, all your sources are nonsense lolol. Nba.com > all your source

Nice kiddo thanks for playing. Now go run around and keep pretending to be 12 years old. Or did you drop that act already after I keep exposing and ethering you?

Like I said, you can keep screaming Legoat and keep believing the earth is flat Nah I dont believe that LeBron is the GOAT. Keep making iffy claims! Good job!

Earlier you claimed that LeBron is not in the top 5 in most rankings.


Nope, but nice try though

Lebron is only ranked top 3 among his own hardcore fan.

Most people have Lebron ranked 8-12 zone. Response to your earlier post...

I posted 10 links to rankings that clearly ranks LeBron in the top 5 post 2016.

Also calling me ¨monkey boy¨ is not going to sway the argument in your favor. In fact insulting somebody only hurts your argument.

Im putting you on my ignore list I aint got time for you. Peace out.

[sdot_thadon]

Cause apparently when you "sell your soul to the Bron" you forfeit all of your allstar appearances and all nba nods in exchange for perpetually making the finals......for eternity. Am I doing right Lebron haters union?

[deathawaitu]

Nah I dont believe that LeBron is the GOAT. Keep making iffy claims! Good job!

Earlier you claimed that LeBron is not in the top 5 in most rankings.

Response to your earlier post...

I posted 10 links to rankings that clearly ranks LeBron in the top 5 post 2016.

Also calling me ¨monkey boy¨ is not going to sway the argument in your favor. In fact insulting somebody only hurts your argument.

Im putting you on my ignore list I aint got time for you. Peace out.

Bye monkey :applause:

Nice dodge on the links I provide which proves to be 100x more trust worthy than yours :roll:

Sorry everyone, I got turbo slayer to crack and have a meltdown

[sdot_thadon]

Bye monkey :applause:

Nice dodge on the links I provide which proves to be 100x more trust worthy than yours :roll:

Sorry everyone, I got turbo slayer to crack and have a meltdown

wait you're claiming a victory in an argument over who's list of opinions is more valid? :oldlol: ish, never change.

[And1AllDay]

lbj had so little help for a top 10 all time player. cant believe he had so little all nba and all defense help

[And1AllDay]

Bye monkey :applause:

Nice dodge on the links I provide which proves to be 100x more trust worthy than yours :roll:

Sorry everyone, I got turbo slayer to crack and have a meltdown

you're a digusting fakkit.

[aj1987]

Nope, but nice try though.

Lebron is only ranked top 8-12 among his own hardcore haters and retards.

Most people have Lebron ranked 2-3 zone.

Let me remind you that ranker already did a poll on this topic. Lebron ended up ranked #2 on ranker which is basically an away game since it is filled with LeBron hating retards.

Sorry, LeBron haters, you just have to deal with it. LeBron is cemented in the top 3.

Agreed, shit for brains. :cheers:

[Mamba4Life]

lbj had so little help for a top 10 all time player. cant believe he had so little all nba and all defense help

Agree

[Mamba4Life]

Have we figured this out yet?

[bullettooth]

Would've been 5/17 with AD making it this year. He might've even been DPOY this year

LOL, no.

https://i.postimg.cc/k5XJ92Lg/jabroni-lames-defense.gif

https://i.giphy.com/media/7Toe9ML7M9aw7Sd3f6/source.gif

https://i.postimg.cc/3NFs2NtV/kick.gif

[SouBeachTalents]

I was talking about AD ya dumb bish :lol

[PJR]

Why did LeBron get outscored by Jason Terry in a Finals series?

[LeCroix]

I was talking about AD ya dumb bish :lol

His brain power is low on computing info

[FromDowntown]

Anyone know?

[kawhileonard2]

Lol. Lebron stans bounce between:

"All star teammates", "All-NBA teammates", and "Hall of Fame teammates".

It just depends on what point they 'think' they're trying to prove.

Truth be told, Lebron has played with more All-Stars in NBA history than any other player.

This.

[Hey Yo]

Gasol was not an all-star his final three years with Kobe. He leaves and becomes an all-NBA 2nd team player in Chicago so we can't attribute it to Kobe.

Cant front on the that

[Shooter]

Lol. Lebron stans bounce between:

"All star teammates", "All-NBA teammates", and "Hall of Fame teammates".

It just depends on what point they 'think' they're trying to prove.

Truth be told, Lebron has played with more All-Stars in NBA history than any other player.

The point is always All-NBA

Keep up

[ImKobe]

Gasol was not an all-star his final three years with Kobe. He leaves and becomes an all-NBA 2nd team player in Chicago so we can't attribute it to Kobe.

Gasol was injured in '13 & '14 (Kobe played 6 games in '14 as well, why are you doing this?) and wasn't even a 2nd option in '12 & '13.

[3ball]

Lebron played with more guys that were good players, aka all-star, all-nba, or all-defense

He played with 7 all-stars and 5 guys that were all-nba, compared to 1 all-star and 1 all-nba teammate for MJ

[Docs Orders]

Lebron played with more guys that were good players, aka all-star, all-nba, or all-defense

He played with 7 all-stars and 5 guys that were all-nba, compared to 1 all-star and 1 all-nba teammate for MJ


Jordan had 15 combined all-nba/all defensive teammates, LeBron had only 5

Why such a big gap?

[Roundball_Rock]

Irving, Love, Bosh were perennial all-star types but not all-NBA caliber guys outside of a few random seasons. Irving made two all-NBA in nine years, Bosh once in his entire career, Love twice.

It is a shame for LeBron that Wade declined prematurely due to injuries in Miami. Then he gets Davis at age 35. We didn't see LeBron spend the bulk of his prime with a perennial all-NBA caliber player, like other legends did.

[3ball]

Irving, Love, Bosh were perennial all-star types but not all-NBA caliber guys outside of a few random seasons. Irving made two all-NBA in nine years, Bosh once in his entire career, Love twice.

It is a shame for LeBron that Wade declined prematurely due to injuries in Miami. Then he gets Davis at age 35. We didn't see LeBron spend the bulk of his prime with a perennial all-NBA caliber player, like other legends did.

2 perennial all-star types > 1 all NBA

Especially when their stats destroy pippen's - Wade, Love, and Kyrie's stats destroy Pippen's

And especially when both all-stars achieved self-made accolades before ever playing with lebron... so we know their accolades are legit and not a result of the winning spotlight or lucky situation

Ultimately, only the Heat/Spurs and Cavs/Warriors had 3 perennial all-stars from 11-17', so they made all the Finals in that time period... obviously, it's much easier to hop onto 1 of the 2 Finals-caliber teams, then playing in a league with many Finals-caliber teams like MJ did (because 2-stars was Finals-caliber, so more teams qualified, aka parity)

[Shooter]

Jordan had 15 combined all-nba/all defensive teammates, LeBron had only 5

Why such a big gap?

MJ is a fraud