Is it time to prohibit driving due to 38k+ automobile fatalities per year?

[FultzNationRISE]

Not to mention the number of serious injuries not included as fatalities.

And unfortunately, these totals dont skew toward lifelong smokers and 80 year old dementia patients in nursing homes.

Is it time?

#SaveEveryLife

[Levity]

solid points. you should take a stand by not driving. or take a different stand and keep driving. i dont know.

[FultzNationRISE]

solid points. you should take a stand by not driving. or take a different stand and keep driving. i dont know.

You should take a seat on the toilet. To piss.

[warriorfan]

Ban everything

[Levity]

You should take a seat on the toilet. To piss.

:D

[DoctorP]

you can never win with idiots.

they let em die they say its population control

they help em live they say they are being mind controlled

kill em all. **** it. i dont need these idiots taking up my space

heil hydra

[Axe]

Just leave 🌎 at once. It's a crazy planet, after all.

[DoctorP]

we need more suicide bombers and school assassins

less safety regulations

[Norcaliblunt]

The thing is cars are already highly regulated for safety reasons. I say end all the regulations.

[FultzNationRISE]

The thing is cars are already highly regulated for safety reasons. I say end all the regulations.


I disagree. I think we need to ramp them up to the federal level.

Instead of having residents in each state decide how they want automobiles regulated, based on their own community/regional dynamics, a handful of federal bureaucrats need to take charge and commandeer rules and regulations for the whole country. That way we can keep changing things back and forth every four years when a new party gets a majority. And if some feds decide to ban driving altogether, then it should apply to everyone.

It forces everyone everywhere to do things the way I believe is best. And at the end of the day... that’s what we all want, right?

Thanks No Cal Blunt. Highly intelligent contributions as usual.

Stay up, boss. :rockon:

[Norcaliblunt]

I disagree. I think we need to ramp them up to the federal level.

Instead of having residents in each state decide how they want automobiles regulated, based on their own community/regional dynamics, a handful of federal bureaucrats need to take charge and commandeer rules and regulations for the whole country. That way we can keep changing things back and forth every four years when a new party gets a majority. And if some feds decide to ban driving altogether, then it should apply to everyone.

It forces everyone everywhere to do things the way I believe is best. And at the end of the day... that’s what we all want, right?

Thanks No Cal Blunt. Highly intelligent contributions as usual.

Stay up, boss. :rockon:

Yeah screw that, but what I am for is a constitutional amendment that guarantees “transportation” as a human right. Sorta like the second amendment with the right to bare arms and protect yourself. Every American deserves the right to drive themselves to where they need to go without any regulation or government interference.

[DoctorP]

Yeah screw that, but what I am for is a constitutional amendment that guarantees “transportation” as a human right. Sorta like the second amendment with the right to bare arms and protect yourself. Every American deserves the right to drive themselves to where they need to go without any regulation or government interference.

Im for this :rockon:

[~primetime~]

This isn't comparable to covid at all obviously, but I'd be cool raising the legal age to 17 or 18.

[Norcaliblunt]

The obvious solution is infrastructure improvement. High speed rail, less traffic, and less commuting.

[~primetime~]

eventually we won't be driving the automobiles...they'll be driving us

[Norcaliblunt]

eventually we won't be driving the automobiles...they'll be driving us

Which is going to be interesting because they will start to propose laws banning individuals from being behind the wheel and driving all together once this happens. The car can drive you, but you are not allowed to drive the car. I can see people not excepting this at first.

[FultzNationRISE]

This isn't comparable to covid at all obviously, but I'd be cool raising the legal age to 17 or 18.


:confusedshrug:

There is ALWAYS an inherent risk in driving a car. The statistics prove this. You put yourself at risk, and you put others at risk.

People make the choice whether they want to accept the risk and keep life moving, or sit at home 24/7 so nobody dies in a car accident.

[warriorfan]

Primetime’s endgame

https://i.postimg.cc/TPdT9JM5/B83369-B3-96-C8-477-E-B085-BAC7-FD494076.jpg

[scuzzy]

Primetime’s endgame

https://i.postimg.cc/TPdT9JM5/B83369-B3-96-C8-477-E-B085-BAC7-FD494076.jpg
eh, still bigger than your 5x5 apartment

[warriorfan]

eh, still bigger than your 5x5 apartment

you live with your mom on disability while you jack off to pornos with highwhey all day

[~primetime~]

:confusedshrug:

There is ALWAYS an inherent risk in driving a car. The statistics prove this. You put yourself at risk, and you put others at risk.

People make the choice whether they want to accept the risk and keep life moving, or sit at home 24/7 so nobody dies in a car accident.

It might be comparable if the covid shutdown was permanent. But it's not its just temporary. And we live in a time when white collar workers can work from home.

Also covid will probably quadruple that 38k in just half a year.

And probably a dozen other reasons its a horrid comparison... but you knew that

[coin24]

But don't you care about safety??!

If all of us not driving saves just one life, it's worth it!! That way the emergency departments wouldn't be overrun with road related injuries..

[SouBeachTalents]

The obvious solution is infrastructure improvement. High speed rail, less traffic, and less commuting.
For real, it'd be insanely expensive, but this countries public transport sucks. Europe you can pretty much travel anywhere by train, that's far from the case here

[warriorfan]

But don't you care about safety??!

If all of us not driving saves just one life, it's worth it!! That way the emergency departments wouldn't be overrun with road related injuries..

#everylifeisprecious
#stopdriving

[Norcaliblunt]

For real, it'd be insanely expensive, but this countries public transport sucks. Europe you can pretty much travel anywhere by train, that's far from the case here

Just have to get the Fed to cough up the trillions of dough like they did with this pandemic stimulus. Simple as that. Force the fed to pay for all the infrastructure improvements this country needs and put everyone back to work.

[FultzNationRISE]

For real, it'd be insanely expensive, but this countries public transport sucks. Europe you can pretty much travel anywhere by train, that's far from the case here


That’s true but Europe is essentially filled west to east with big cities, so while you might be taking a train from Madrid to Warsaw, someone else on the Madrid train might be going only to Paris. Another person might be going to Hamburg. Some might get on in Paris and go to Warsaw, or just to Hamburg. Cities are close enough to make that sort of thing worthwhile.

There’s very little in the middle of the United States. It wouldnt make sense to have a train from LA to NYC if nobody is getting off in between. Just take a plane. Also gasoline is cheaper here so driving between cities within a given state/region is more feasible than in Europe.

Obviously itd be nice if transit were simpler but the dynamics just arent the same. It doesnt make sense to invest a ton in transportation without the prospect of a lot of people using it on a regular basis. How many people are gonna be taking a train from Nashville to Des Moines each day?

[Docs Orders]

eh, still bigger than your 5x5 apartment

:roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

That’s true but Europe is essentially filled west to east with big cities, so while you might be taking a train from Madrid to Warsaw, someone else on the Madrid train might be going only to Paris. Another person might be going to Hamburg. Some might get on in Paris and go to Warsaw, or just to Hamburg. Cities are close enough to make that sort of thing worthwhile.

There’s very little in the middle of the United States. It wouldnt make sense to have a train from LA to NYC when people would rather fly anyway. Also gasoline is cheaper here so driving between cities is more feasible than in Europe.

Obviously itd be nice if transit were simpler but the dynamics just arent the same. It doesnt make sense to invest a ton in transportation without the prospect of a lot of people using it on a regular basis. How many people are gonna be taking a train from Nashville to Des Moines each day?
The two situations are definitely different, you have much more territory to cover here and as you said, there as portions of the country where it's mostly a rural area. But what's inexcusable to me is there are major cities that not only don't have a reliable public transport system, some literally don't even have a train you can take within the city. Just from experience places like Vegas, Miami, & New Orleans all legitimately don't even have train you can travel on around the city, your only options are the bus or an Uber. I imagine even a place like L.A. has insufficient transit considering the nightmarish traffic situation people have to endure there daily.

At the very minimum, there should reliable public transport in our major cities

[FultzNationRISE]

The two situations are definitely different, you have much more territory to cover here and as you said, there as portions of the country where it's mostly a rural area. But what's inexcusable to me is there are major cities that not only don't have a reliable public transport system, some literally don't even have a train you can take within the city. Just from experience places like Vegas, Miami, & New Orleans all legitimately don't even have train you can travel on around the city, your only options are the bus or an Uber. I imagine even a place like L.A. has insufficient transit considering the nightmarish traffic situation people have to endure there daily.

At the very minimum, there should reliable public transport in major cities



I agree that intra-city public transit is a worthwhile investment. Tbh cities should make busses more practical for one thing. They dont require a whole bunch of new construction and you can drive them from any point to any other point.

Too few people take them though because theyre often filled with crazy, smelly people etc and can be unpredictable. Id like to see cities offer additional bus routes with higher fares so more middle/upper middle class folks might be willing to take them to work each day without having to worry about all sorts of nonsense from bums and junkies.

[Nanners]

I agree that intra-city public transit is a worthwhile investment. Tbh cities should make busses more practical for one thing. They dont require a whole bunch of new construction and you can drive them from any point to any other point.

Too few people take them though because theyre often filled with crazy, smelly people etc and can be unpredictable. Id like to see cities offer additional bus routes with higher fares so more middle/upper middle class folks might be willing to take them to work each day without having to worry about all sorts of nonsense from bums and junkies.

I agree that we should be doing more to improve busses as well as doing more to encourage all types of people to ride them, but how many middle/uppermiddle people do you actually think would be willing to ride an expensive bus? It seems like this type of bus system would not be able to support very many routes, would it only operate between wealthy suburbs and city centers? Personally, I would MUCH rather drive my car to work than ride on some kind of luxury bus or whatever.

IMO mass transit only really makes sense when its available to the masses.

[FultzNationRISE]

I agree that we should be doing more to improve busses as well as doing more to encourage all types of people to ride them, but how many middle/uppermiddle people do you actually think would be willing to ride an expensive bus? It seems like this type of bus system would not be able to support very many routes, would it only operate between wealthy suburbs and city centers? Personally, I would MUCH rather drive my car to work than ride on some kind of luxury bus or whatever.

IMO mass transit only really makes sense when its available to the masses.


The thing is it wouldnt have to be significantly more expensive to deter Those Of Lesser Hygiene. Literally an extra dollar per trip will separate people wanting to ride economy from those wishing to ride professional. Ofc youd only run the latter during morning and afternoon rush hour.

That said, how enticed would people be when they have the option to drive themselves? I dont know. Perhaps the city could offer tax breaks to businesses that buy blocks of monthly passes for employees. If employees were given free passes as a perk, that might have some appeal over the cost of gas and parking every day. Im sure some folks would still rather drive themsleves, but methinks itd be something worth investigating.

Part of the problem is that right now bus rides take much longer than driving, because you have to sit in traffic AND make all the bus stops. If a bunch of people switched to busses simultaneously, traffic would go way down and the bus would travel much faster.

The problem is just getting people to switch.

[Norcaliblunt]

If you build high speed mass transit across the country economic development will start popping up around it. It’s not like middle America would just remain the same. Big LOL. You would have new towns and all sorts of great business opportunities coming along with it. Real entrepreneurs and businessmen can see this.

But back on the topic of the thread, we talking about saving lives here fools. Are we not?

[FultzNationRISE]

If you build high speed mass transit across the country economic development will start popping up around it. It’s not like middle America would just remain the same. Big LOL. You would have new towns and all sorts of great business opportunities coming along with it. Real entrepreneurs and businessmen can see this.

But back on the topic of the thread, we talking about saving lives here fools. Are we not?

I dont think people in Blue Hill, Nebraska feel too urgently about going metropolitan.

If anything, we should fence off a big ass portion of the middle of the country and leave it as a nature reserve.


As far as the original post, absolutely. Driving kills. I am urging all humans to avoid driving until further notice.

[Nanners]

If you build high speed mass transit across the country economic development will start popping up around it. It’s not like middle America would just remain the same. Big LOL. You would have new towns and all sorts of great business opportunities coming along with it. Real entrepreneurs and businessmen can see this.

But back on the topic of the thread, we talking about saving lives here fools. Are we not?

Lets talk about saving lives. I would like to start by saving the lives of the ~70k americans who die every year simply because they are uninsured/underinsured and otherwise unable to afford the cost of life-saving healthcare in our predatory and sociopathic healthcare system.

This country already has socialized healthcare, its called medicare/medicaid and its given to tens of millions who are age 65+ or impoverished. We just need to do expand these programs to cover everyone.

[Norcaliblunt]

If anything, we should fence off a big ass portion of the middle of the country and leave it as a nature reserve.

Well that is the sinister goal they are trying to achieve. Herd everyone into all the urban metropolis prisons while allowing no access to the nature preserve in between. That’s what this virus is about, global warming, virtual reality etc.

[Norcaliblunt]

Lets talk about saving lives. I would like to start by saving the lives of the ~70k americans who die every year simply because they are uninsured/underinsured and otherwise unable to afford the cost of life-saving healthcare in our predatory and sociopathic healthcare system.

This country already has socialized healthcare, its called medicare/medicaid and its given to tens of millions who are age 65+ or impoverished. We just need to do expand these programs to cover everyone.

Yeah we know they don’t give a shit about lives. Cancer and heart disease prove that more then the car stuff.

[Nanners]

Yeah we know they don’t give a shit about lives. Cancer and heart disease prove that more then the car stuff.

Good point about cancer.

Virtually every industrial zone in the nation is also a cancer hotspot, which makes sense considering how many carcinogenic compounds are used in heavy industry. While restaurants and bowling alleys have been locked down due to health risks, our "essential" refineries and plastics factories have not faced any restrictions whatsoever.

Since this country suddenly cares so much about saving lives, we have no choice but to shut down every single major industrial facility in this country... at least until we can prove that they are not causing a single case of cancer in the surrounding community.

[Norcaliblunt]

Good point about cancer.

Virtually every industrial zone in the nation is also a cancer hotspot, which makes sense considering how many carcinogenic compounds are used in heavy industry. While restaurants and bowling alleys have been locked down due to health risks, our "essential" refineries and plastics factories have not faced any restrictions whatsoever.

Since this country suddenly cares so much about saving lives, we have no choice but to shut down every single major industrial facility in this country... at least until we can prove that they are not causing a single case of cancer in the surrounding community.



The worst nuclear meltdown in American history still has never been cleaned up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/psmag.com/.amp/environment/50-years-after-nuclear-meltdown-3510

It sits right above Los Angeles. Every time I see one of these celebrities getting all righteous about global warming or any other environmental issues I get pissed. They won’t even speak out about cleaning up their own backyard. It’s disgusting.

[Norcaliblunt]

https://youtu.be/eRdC5I0Yn2k


People wanna act like the government gives a shit about lives when they won’t clean this shit up.

[FultzNationRISE]

Lets talk about saving lives. I would like to start by saving the lives of the ~70k americans who die every year simply because they are uninsured/underinsured and otherwise unable to afford the cost of life-saving healthcare in our predatory and sociopathic healthcare system.

This country already has socialized healthcare, its called medicare/medicaid and its given to tens of millions who are age 65+ or impoverished. We just need to do expand these programs to cover everyone.


A HUGE proportion of medicare is used on folks literally in the final year of their life. We spend a ton treating elderly people whose bags are already packed, and nature is ready for them. The final year of people’s lives are generally when they have the most health problems, as youd expect. So realistically, it’s kind of a massive waste of money. My grandpa was relatively healthy until he was 93, then he was in and out of the hospital for about a year and then he died. His nursing home, his hospital stays, his medical treatment... all covered by the govt. Tens of thousands, for a 93 year old who was gonna die in a few months.

Not worth it.

Especially considering the massive demand of healthcare for old people drives up the cost for everyone. So theyre driving up the cost AND we have to pay for them.

I’ll make a pact with anyone that beyond 80 yrs old, I’ll either afford my own treatment or just get out of the way. If everyone agreed to that we could save a lot of money and be real about shit.

But it’s too many bleedin hearts.

[Norcaliblunt]

A HUGE proportion of medicare is used on folks literally in the final year of their life. We spend a ton treating elderly people whose bags are already packed, and nature is ready for them. The final year of people’s lives are generally when they have the most health problems, as youd expect. So realistically, it’s kind of a massive waste of money. My grandpa was relatively healthy until he was 93, then he was in and out of the hospital for about a year and then he died. His nursing home, his hospital stays, his medical treatment... all covered by the govt. Tens of thousands, for a 93 year old who was gonna die in a few months.

Not worth it.

Especially considering the massive demand of healthcare for old people drives up the cost for everyone. So theyre driving up the cost AND we have to pay for them.

I’ll make a pact with anyone that beyond 80 yrs old, I’ll either afford my own treatment or just get out of the way. If everyone agreed to that we could save a lot of money and be real about shit.

But it’s too many bleedin hearts.

Just need them death panels and we’ll be good.

[Nanners]

A HUGE proportion of medicare is used on folks literally in the final year of their life. We spend a ton treating elderly people whose bags are already packed, and nature is ready for them. The final year of people’s lives are generally when they have the most health problems, as youd expect. So realistically, it’s kind of a massive waste of money. My grandpa was relatively healthy until he was 93, then he was in and out of the hospital for about a year and then he died. His nursing home, his hospital stays, his medical treatment... all covered by the govt. Tens of thousands, for a 93 year old who was gonna die in a few months.

The same is true for private insurance... its not like a private insurance company can reject a treatment because the patient is old or weak and they are probably going to die soon. Meanwhile, thanks to Obama, those without healthcare are mandated to buy private insurance which ultimately goes to pay for many of these "pointless" treatments (as well as paying for the generous profit margins and lavish executive salaries that the private insurance companies enjoy)... and thats in addition to their tax dollars which are paying for socialized healthcare for the poor and elderly.


Not worth it.

Especially considering the massive demand of healthcare for old people drives up the cost for everyone. So theyre driving up the cost AND we have to pay for them.

I’ll make a pact with anyone that beyond 80 yrs old, I’ll either afford my own treatment or just get out of the way. If everyone agreed to that we could save a lot of money and be real about shit.

But it’s too many bleedin hearts.

This argument makes absolutely zero sense. In case my earlier post didnt make it clear enough for you, EVERY AMERICAN OVER THE AGE OF 65 IS CURRENTLY GUARANTEED SOCIALIZED HEALTHCARE THROUGH MEDICARE. The people who I want to cover are in the 27-65 bracket, people who are largely healthy and currently paying an arm+leg out of pocket or thru their employer for some trash tier private insurance plan.

[FultzNationRISE]

This argument makes absolutely zero sense. In case my earlier post didnt make it clear enough for you, EVERY AMERICAN OVER THE AGE OF 65 IS CURRENTLY GUARANTEED SOCIALIZED HEALTHCARE THROUGH MEDICARE. The people who I want to cover are in the 27-65 bracket, people who are largely healthy and currently paying an arm+leg out of pocket or thru their employer for some trash tier private insurance plan.


That’s the point.

If you want more money to treat or insure younger people, use the money that’s being spent on old people. Instead of advocating for “lets waste some money, and then spend some more money on top of it,” you should advocate for not wasting money.

Also the United States is a big industrial plant type nation, not an upscale shopping plaza like Switzerland or Norway. And that’s why we’ve been so lax about immigration, unlike those countries. But with that comes less social welfare, bc less people are invested in their neighbors. We got immigrant communities exploding all over the country full of people who often dont even like America or Americans. It’s not even about race or nationality, but the reality is we just dont need more people in the pot. But you dont wanna say no.

Instead of speaking up and debating the value of that... youd rather just give em free healthcare.

Not everyone wants to do the softest, easiest shit that will **** things up in the long run. “Whatever it takes to make old people live their final year, I dont care if its a trillion dollars, just pay it!!!! And for all the people who come to America and dont learn english and dress differently and dont see this as their home.... pay for them too!!! And homeless guys under the bridge who probably bullied me in HS and now he’s an alcoholic, well guess what? IM FEELIN GENEROUS, LETS GIVE HIM MORE OTHER PEOPLE MONEY, TOO!!! Just pay for it all, bc I dont understand economics!!!”

The people who go that route only do it because theyre soft and it’s easy. Not because it’s a good idea or the right idea.

Well guess what, chief?

No immigration concessions, no social security concessions, no cleaning up homeless zombies.... no healthcare.

Tell your boys.

[tpols]

starface is correct.

and this pandemic shows it too. there needs to be stricter control on who enters and exits our country.

its not "racist" like a lot of clowns say... its completely necessary for the usa to remain somewhat solvent.

[Nanners]

That’s the point.

If you want more money to treat or insure younger people, use the money that’s being spent on old people. Instead of advocating for “lets waste some money, and then spend some more money on top of it,” you should advocate for not wasting money.

Also the United States is a big industrial plant type nation, not an upscale shopping plaza like Switzerland or Norway. And that’s why we’ve been so lax about immigration, unlike those countries. But with that comes less social welfare, bc less people are invested in their neighbors. We got immigrant communities exploding all over the country full of people who often dont even like America or Americans. It’s not even about race or nationality, but the reality is we just dont need more people in the pot. But you dont wanna say no.

Instead of speaking up and debating the value of that... youd rather just give em free healthcare.

Not everyone wants to do the softest, easiest shit that will **** things up in the long run. “Whatever it takes to make old people live their final year, I dont care if its a trillion dollars, just pay it!!!! And for all the people who come to America and dont learn english and dress differently and dont see this as their home.... pay for them too!!! And homeless guys under the bridge who probably bullied me in HS and now he’s an alcoholic, well guess what? IM FEELIN GENEROUS, LETS GIVE HIM MORE OTHER PEOPLE MONEY, TOO!!! Just pay for it all, bc I dont understand economics!!!”

Well guess what, chief?

Tell your boys.

If you are arguing to kick old people off medicare and replace them with young people, I am fine with that. Boomers are the only generation that has a chance of being able to afford the absurd price of healthcare in this country. In addition to re-allocating healthcare to far more deserving people, a change like this would also have the potential to de-calcify our entire broken political system.

The US has a per capita GDP of 65k, Switzerland has a per capita GDP of 66k. As you are aware, our GDP per capita would be much higher if we actually took immigration seriously like the swiss do. Even with our impoverished immigrant communities, we are the most powerful and most wealthy nation on the planet, and we can easily afford healthcare for all on the level of switzerland or any comparable nation.

And no, I am not arguing for "free" healthcare any more than I am arguing for "free" military protection or "free" covid bailouts for banks and big business. I am not arguing that illegal immigrants get free healthcare (like the idiot dems argue, as they withold healthcare from tens of millions of american citizens). I am simply arguing that taxpayer dollars should be used to provide healthcare to taxpayers of all ages.

So we can afford to use taxpayer dollars to give healthcare to old/sick people who are about to die anyway... but we cant afford to give the same healthcare to younger folks, despite the fact that medicare costs far less per capita than any of the private insurance plans that these people are otherwise forced to pay for.

Anyway, other conservatives would call your advocacy for witholding healthcare from the old/sick a DEATH PANEL. Who the **** are you to decide who does or does not deserve to receive taxpayer funded lifesaving healthcare? Do you think your death panel would find you worthy of life-saving healthcare?

[Nanners]

starface is correct.

and this pandemic shows it too. there needs to be stricter control on who enters and exits our country.

its not "racist" like a lot of clowns say... its completely necessary for the usa to remain somewhat solvent.

I agree with him on immigration... but hes dead wrong on the viability and affordability of govt backed healthcare for all

[Norcaliblunt]

starface is correct.

and this pandemic shows it too. there needs to be stricter control on who enters and exits our country.

its not "racist" like a lot of clowns say... its completely necessary for the usa to remain somewhat solvent.

We are about to go to war with China. We are going to needs all the numbers we can get.

[tpols]

I agree with him on immigration... but hes dead wrong on the viability and affordability of govt backed healthcare for all

agreed.


We are about to go to war with China. We are going to needs all the numbers we can get.

i dont think so... maybe economic war and we got the whole world on our side.

[FultzNationRISE]

If you are arguing to kick old people off medicare and replace them with young people, I am fine with that. Boomers are the only generation that has a chance of being able to afford the absurd price of healthcare in this country. In addition to re-allocating healthcare to far more deserving people, a change like this would also have the potential to de-calcify our entire broken political system.

So we can afford to use taxpayer dollars to give healthcare to old/sick people who are about to die anyway... but we cant afford to give the same healthcare to younger folks, despite the fact that medicare costs far less per capita than any of the private insurance plans that these people are otherwise forced to pay for.

Anyway, other conservatives would call your advocacy for witholding healthcare from the old/sick a DEATH PANEL. Who the **** are you to decide who does or does not deserve to receive taxpayer funded lifesaving healthcare? Do you think your death panel would find you worthy of life-saving healthcare?



Okay, fair enough then.

My overriding point is that we cant “have nice things” without drawing some lines or enforcing some rules. It sounds like you are not in total disagreement.

As far as comparing the military to healthcare... it’s an unfair comparison. An individual person can contract an individual doctor for an exchange of services. Providing international security within the global community cannot be done by a single person, nor can a single person contract an entire military. An exchange of services can reasonably and logically be performed between a doctor and patient. Providing national security can not be done at a 1:1 ratio.

Anyway, if the left wants America to feel like a community, they have to stop villifying people who are proud to be American. They have to stop using political correctness as an excuse to witch hunt “normies” and make themselves feel superior. Theyve gotta stop letting big banks and big media wedge social issues between us because they know it’s the only hope of keeping Americans from uniting for better wealth parity. Next time you see a prime time TV special celebrating a trans person of color in a wheel chair, while painting everyone who doesnt care as automatically intolerant bigotted Trump voting evil... Call it what it is: An obvious ploy by the establishment to keep typical suckers like rr3 and bladefd on a propaganda leash and ideologically separate from normal Americans.

And Ive got no hate for wheelchair-bound transvestites of color. But pushing them down our throats while having Lebron James and Sarah Silverman give speeches telling sheeple zombie like the aforementioned ISH turds that they must hate Orange Man at all costs... that’s literally the efforts of big bank, and big global. And too many leftists dont realize it.

If anyone in left wing America has any balls, now would be the time to start proving it.

[Norcaliblunt]

The way to make healthcare affordable for everyone is to deregulate it completely. Yeah some charlatans will kill some people, but lets not act like that doesn’t already happen now within our state sanctioned medical system. Get rid of the patents, licensing requirements, and all the other ridiculous hurdles it takes to open a medical practice to treat people and prices will go down.

If you want to make anything universal it should free organic produce. Just build state run organic farms that provide access to free clean food for everyone.

[Norcaliblunt]

i dont think so... maybe economic war and we got the whole world on our side.

Wishful thinking. All China has to do is tap into South America and Africa and we are screwed.

[Nanners]

If anyone in left wing America has any balls, now would be the time to start proving it.

They dont, and probably never will.

IMO the single biggest problem with the american left is that they have no balls (and the lack of balls gets more extreme the higher you go within the party). The dem party only elevates eunuch politicians, because thats how the billionaire donors like their dems. I am about as far to the left as they come, and I am probably going to vote for Trump (again), because **** Joe Biden and the cheating DNC... at least Trump has some balls.

If any populist lefty with a pair of balls ever makes it remotely deep into the political process, the establishment is going to be completely ****ed... because the populist left and right have far more in common with eachother than they do with either flavor of establishment... and they wont be able to use the "oh the humanity", "but you're kids are watching", "but muh pearls" types of narratives that the establishment has been using against Trump.




And Ive got no hate for wheelchair-bound transvestites of color. But pushing them down our throats while having Lebron James and Sarah Silverman give speeches telling sheeple zombie like the aforementioned ISH turds that they must hate Orange Man at all costs... that’s literally the efforts of big bank, and big global. And too many leftists dont realize it.

:roll:

edit: despite the fact that I have spent years and years arguing with you on this site... it seems that overall we are pretty close on this issue, as well as most other issues these days. What a strange version of reality we have stepped foot into lately

edit2: sorry for editing a dozen times...

[FultzNationRISE]

Wishful thinking. All China has to do is tap into South America and Africa and we are screwed.


Good thing we gave all that private charity and public aid to poor ass countries the last 30 years.


“So w0rth it bc the commercials mad3 me feel guilty!!!!”

[Norcaliblunt]

The right doesn’t have the balls to say deregulate it all.

[Nanners]

The way to make healthcare affordable for everyone is to deregulate it completely. Yeah some charlatans will kill some people, but lets not act like that doesn’t already happen now within our state sanctioned medical system. Get rid of the patents, licensing requirements, and all the other ridiculous hurdles it takes to open a medical practice to treat people and prices will go down.

If you want to make anything universal it should free organic produce. Just build state run organic farms that provide access to free clean food for everyone.

Some aspects of healthcare need to be regulated, most importantly would be pharmaceutical pricing.

Unless we create pharmaceutical price controls at the federal level, or do away with the patent system entirely... the preposterous and obscene prices that big pharma charges for treatments in the US will continue unchanged.

[Norcaliblunt]

Some aspects of healthcare need to be regulated, and the most important of these is pharmaceutical prices.

Unless we create price controls, or do away with the patent system entirely... the preposterous and obscene prices that big pharma charges for treatment in the US will remain unchanged.

Yeah you have to get rid of patents. All together. Not just pharmaceuticals. But everything. That’s where the regulatory regime begins right there. Lobbying the government to protect profits on products at the expense of the people. Plus people need to get off meds. We need a real study on who really needs this stuff and who is being over medicated in this system. The only way to find out is to lift the regulations on all the natural stuff. We need an unregulated space race on who can heal people the best.

[Nanners]

Yeah you have to get rid of patents. All together. Not just pharmaceuticals. But everything. That’s where the regulatory regime begins right there. Lobbying the government to protect profits on products at the expense of the people. Plus people need to get off meds. We need a real study on who really needs this stuff and who is being over medicated in this system. The only way to find out is to lift the regulations on all the natural stuff. We need an unregulated space race on who can heal people the best.

Amen

I'd vote for you for president

[DoctorP]

Yeah you have to get rid of patents. All together. Not just pharmaceuticals. But everything. That’s where the regulatory regime begins right there. Lobbying the government to protect profits on products at the expense of the people. Plus people need to get off meds. We need a real study on who really needs this stuff and who is being over medicated in this system. The only way to find out is to lift the regulations on all the natural stuff. We need an unregulated space race on who can heal people the best.

a second vote for Norcali. here here!

i love your communist ways

[Hawker]

The two situations are definitely different, you have much more territory to cover here and as you said, there as portions of the country where it's mostly a rural area. But what's inexcusable to me is there are major cities that not only don't have a reliable public transport system, some literally don't even have a train you can take within the city. Just from experience places like Vegas, Miami, & New Orleans all legitimately don't even have train you can travel on around the city, your only options are the bus or an Uber. I imagine even a place like L.A. has insufficient transit considering the nightmarish traffic situation people have to endure there daily.

At the very minimum, there should reliable public transport in our major cities

To me, having uber and ridesharing has pretty much negated the need for trains.

Public transit is a bad investment. Doesn't really make any money.

[Hawker]

If you build high speed mass transit across the country economic development will start popping up around it. It’s not like middle America would just remain the same. Big LOL. You would have new towns and all sorts of great business opportunities coming along with it. Real entrepreneurs and businessmen can see this.

But back on the topic of the thread, we talking about saving lives here fools. Are we not?


Against regulation and government intervention yet doesn't respect the wishes and private property of citizens but wants government investment in transport?

[Nanners]

To me, having uber and ridesharing has pretty much negated the need for trains.

Public transit is a bad investment. Doesn't really make any money.

The police and fire departments dont make any money... are they bad investments too?

Heres a news flash for you ayn rand - its beyond idiotic to expect that every aspect of society funded by the govt will be a "good investment"

BTW how do you feel about the fact that the price of oil has gone negative? Every time I drive past a gas station in my Tesla I have a good laugh at your expense

[Norcaliblunt]

Against regulation and government intervention yet doesn't respect the wishes and private property of citizens but wants government investment in transport?


Yup I have no problem philosophizing on a message board on how we could use the government for some instances while also entertaining the idea of rejecting it in other cases.

Anarcho capitalist, technocratic socialist, left wing anarchist. We have all bases covered. Lol.

[tpols]

To me, having uber and ridesharing has pretty much negated the need for trains.

Public transit is a bad investment. Doesn't really make any money.

an uber from mid NJ to NYC would be like 50 bucks (or more actually)... a train is 15.

nobody is saving money ubering into a major metro area over a train. only time.

but if you space it right, ubering is a retarded idea especially given traffic.

[Hawker]

The police and fire departments dont make any money... are they bad investments too?

Heres a news flash for you ayn rand - its beyond idiotic to expect that every aspect of society funded by the govt will be a "good investment"

BTW how do you feel about the fact that the price of oil has gone negative? Every time I drive past a gas station in my Tesla I have a good laugh at your expense

How is it beyond idiotic to ask cities to put money where it is a good investment and not bankrupt cities? There have been multiple "public transport" boondoggles that result in low passenger usage. I know public transport is a sacred cow for you but asking to prove its efficacy in a world with ever increasing advances in technology shouldn't be minimised.

How's the high speed rail in California going again?

Where does the electricity for your Tesla come from? Natural gas is it? :rockon:

[Hawker]

an uber from mid NJ to NYC would be like 50 bucks (or more actually)... a train is 15.

nobody is saving money ubering into a major metro area over a train. only time.

but if you space it right, ubering is a retarded idea especially given traffic.

New York City council was getting pretty uppity about the number of people preferring uber/lyft to trains.

[Nanners]

How is it beyond idiotic to ask cities to put money where it is a good investment and not bankrupt cities? There have been multiple "public transport" boondoggles that result in low passenger usage. I know public transport is a sacred cow for you but asking to prove its efficacy in a world with ever increasing advances in technology shouldn't be minimised.

How's the high speed rail in California going again?

Where does the electricity for your Tesla come from? Natural gas is it? :rockon:

Its beyond idiotic for cities to think that literally every public good has to be profitable. Like I said, the fire dept is most definitely not profitable, do you think we should do away with the fire dept?

I dont know how high speed rail in California is going, thankfully I dont live in that backward ****** ass state.

My electricity is 100% generated by Hydro and wind, I pay 9.8c/kwh... which means recharging my car battery from zero to 100% full (320mi range) would cost me about $7.

btw if you live life a quarter mile at a time you should race me for pink slips

[Hawker]

Its beyond idiotic for cities to think that literally every public good has to be profitable. Like I said, the fire dept is most definitely not profitable, do you think we should do away with the fire dept?

I dont know how high speed rail in California is going, thankfully I dont live in that backward ****** ass state.

My electricity is 100% generated by Hydro and wind, I pay 9.8c/kwh... which means recharging my car battery from zero to 100% full (320mi range) would cost me about $7.

btw if you live life a quarter mile at a time you should race me for pink slips

The high speed rail is a public transport that has been an absolute waste of taxpayer money. Do you honestly think that doesn't have the chance to be replicated across the country?

It's not about what's profitable it's about not wasting money. Most people would say the fire department shouldn't be done away with however public pensions definitely should be elimniated.

Public transport is just a sacred cow that mayors and city council members like to run on to try and get elected. People went to NYC once and loved public transport and think it makes sense across every other city.

Here's one for you closer to where you live:

https://reason.com/2016/10/13/seattle-light-rail-breaks-ridership-reco/


Perhaps this is a cause to celebrate. Providing 100,000 commuter trips in 24 hours is impressive, after all—almost as impressive as the 105,000 trips Sound Transit promised to be delivering daily on light rail by 2010.

As it stands right now—and despite spending twice as much as it estimated for the existing light rail line—the agency is nowhere near meeting its promised ridership goals. In fact, it took the perfect storm of Friday rush hour traffic, along with simultaneous University of Washington football and Seattle Mariners baseball games, to even get as close as it did. And to support the surge, Sound Transit had to work overtime with extra lines and maintenance crews.

I know you've posted reason.com links before so I trust you deem it a reliable source.

[Norcaliblunt]

How's the high speed rail in California going again?


Hey if the Fed gave California’s share of the stimulus money to the state just to build the train you would have it built by next summer. And a lot people who aren’t working right now would have a job. Oh also at the end of this you’d have a train.

[tpols]

New York City council was getting pretty uppity about the number of people preferring uber/lyft to trains.

for an engineer you should be able to understand constraints.

car traffic is tremendous into any metro. Public transportation isnt so long as you time it right. (and way cheaper)

[Nanners]

The high speed rail is a public transport that has been an absolute waste of taxpayer money. Do you honestly think that doesn't have the chance to be replicated across the country?

Its an "absolute waste" by what metric exactly? Because its not profitable for large corporations?

Heres a news flash for your dumb ass - literally every form of mass transit is a waste of taxpayer money. Mass transit systems dont exist to generate profits, you idiot... they exist to benefit a nations workforce.


It's not about what's profitable it's about not wasting money. Most people would say the fire department shouldn't be done away with however public pensions definitely should be elimniated.

lol okay... your industry should be eliminated... and it actually is being eliminated... RIP Hawkers job.

It sucks that you can no longer make money sucking oil out of the ground, but at least you can still make money sucking on that oiligarch dong


Public transport is just a sacred cow that mayors and city council members like to run on to try and get elected. People went to NYC once and loved public transport and think it makes sense across every other city.

Public transit is how the working class gets to their jobs in giant cities.


Here's one for you closer to where you live:

https://reason.com/2016/10/13/seattle-light-rail-breaks-ridership-reco/

I know you've posted reason.com links before so I trust you deem it a reliable source.

I live in Portland Oregon, not Seattle Washington... its an entirely different city in an entirely different state. You might as well be telling an OKC resident that they should be up to date with Dallas politics... because its close to where they live.

Anyway, I have posted reason.com links before... I trust that you deem it to be a reliable source as well considering you are linking to the site? Every time I link to a reason.com article in the future, you are just going to accept it, right?

[Hawker]

for an engineer you should be able to understand constraints.

car traffic is tremendous into any metro. Public transportation isnt so long as you time it right. (and way cheaper)

Sure - but more people are still choosing to use uber/lyft over the train despite these constraints. Forcing people to use public transport doesn't make sense in that respect.

[coin24]

Public transport done right is fantastic, look at Japan. In Tokyo there's hardly any cars, it's clean and the transport is amazing. A train every 2 minutes anywhere you want to go. Then the high speed links (bullet train) to reach the rest of the country..

LA is a fkn shithole 6 lanes of car park day and night everywhere. It's like a clogged sewer. How are the states so far behind the rest of the world??

[Hawker]

Its an "absolute waste" by what metric exactly? Because its not profitable for large corporations?

Heres a news flash for your dumb ass - literally every form of mass transit is a waste of taxpayer money. Mass transit systems dont exist to generate profits, you idiot... they exist to benefit a nations workforce.



lol okay... your industry should be eliminated... and it actually is being eliminated... RIP Hawkers job.

It sucks that you can no longer make money sucking oil out of the ground, but at least you can still make money sucking on that oiligarch dong



Public transit is how the working class gets to their jobs in giant cities.



I live in Portland Oregon, not Seattle Washington... its an entirely different city in an entirely different state. You might as well be telling an OKC resident that they should be up to date with Dallas politics... because its close to where they live.

Anyway, I have posted reason.com links before... I trust that you deem it to be a reliable source as well considering you are linking to the site? Every time I link to a reason.com article in the future, you are just going to accept it, right?

It's an absolute waste because it doesn't do what the analyst and the local council says it's going to do. Pretty simple.

You've been saying my job would be eliminated since 2007 yet here I am still working and every forecast shows extensive natural gas and oil usage well into the future. Nice try though. Maybe you and bladefd can make another 5 year prediction and continue to be proven wrong. Difference between my industry and public transport has a simple distinction - one has demand in the real world while the other must continue to lose money with taxpayer money continuing to go into a black hole. Wasting taxpayer money based on election promises is not a real demand.

It's the same politics and worldview in both those cities.

[Nanners]

It's an absolute waste because it doesn't do what the analyst and the local council says it's going to do. Pretty simple.

The "local council"? WTF are you talking about? I thought you were american?


You've been saying my job would be eliminated since 2007 yet here I am still working and every forecast shows extensive natural gas and oil usage well into the future. Nice try though. Maybe you and bladefd can make another 5 year prediction and continue to be proven wrong. Difference between my industry and public transport has a simple distinction - one has demand in the real world while the other must continue to lose money with taxpayer money continuing to go into a black hole. Wasting taxpayer money based on election promises is not a real demand.

How exactly have I been saying that your job would be eliminated since 2007 when my account was created in mid 2009?

Anyway, regardless of when I first started saying it, theres no doubt that your job is being eliminated as we speak. Ride the wave while it lasts... maybe the price of oil will go positive again someday

Remind me... what does the price of oil need to be in order for your fracked shale to be profitable? something in the ballpark of $50/barrel right?


It's the same politics and worldview in both those cities.

No its not, Portland is FAR more anti-corporate than Seattle. Saying that Portland and Seattle have the same politics and worldview is no less stupid than saying that OKC and Dallas have the same politics and worldview.

Seattle is a huge tech hub and its home to Amazon, Microsoft, Boeing, and the top two wealthiest men on the entire planet... meanwhile the wealthiest company in Oregon is Nike and our wealthiest resident is Phil Knight who has less than 1/3rd of the wealth of the titans of Seattle.

[tpols]

Public transport done right is fantastic, look at Japan. In Tokyo there's hardly any cars, it's clean and the transport is amazing. A train every 2 minutes anywhere you want to go. Then the high speed links (bullet train) to reach the rest of the country..

LA is a fkn shithole 6 lanes of car park day and night everywhere. It's like a clogged sewer. How are the states so far behind the rest of the world??

hawker is very dogmatic in his approach.

he's just... anti government everything. doesnt matter the logic.

[FultzNationRISE]

To me, having uber and ridesharing has pretty much negated the need for trains.

Public transit is a bad investment. Doesn't really make any money.

If you reduce traffic significantly tho, youre creating additional time in the day for people and businesses. That equates to greater productivity and general quality if life. Spending an hour each morning AND each evening sitting in a car is quite wasteful. Also the constant stop and start of all those cars in gridlock is very gas inefficient. All of that stuff adds up in indirect ways IMO.

[tpols]

Public transport done right is fantastic, look at Japan. In Tokyo there's hardly any cars, it's clean and the transport is amazing. A train every 2 minutes anywhere you want to go. Then the high speed links (bullet train) to reach the rest of the country..

LA is a fkn shithole 6 lanes of car park day and night everywhere. It's like a clogged sewer. How are the states so far behind the rest of the world??

honestly the main problem is the state takes all the money that should be spent constructing the train, and spends it on immigrants, social welfare, and lining mid level politician's pockets.

it is really hard for us to be like japan because they have a much stricter anti corruption based culture based on results. They also let zero immigrants in.

still though... it's obvious trains are far more efficient than cars, where its 95% of the time 1 person driving themselves to work in a 4-6 seat vehicle.

[Nanners]

Hawker, if you arent a ***** ass bitch lets live our lives one quarter mile at a time and race for pink slips. You can drive your fastest gas car (hopefully its that awesome FJ cruiser you once owned) and I'll drive my weak ass Tesla model 3.

[FultzNationRISE]

honestly the main problem is the state takes all the money that should be spent constructing the train, and spends it on immigrants, social welfare, and lining mid level politician's pockets.

it is really hard for us to be like japan because they have a much stricter anti corruption based culture based on results. They also let zero immigrants in.

still though... it's obvious trains are far more efficient than cars, where its 95% of the time 1 person driving themselves to work in a 4-6 seat vehicle.


To be fair, cities like Tokyo are far bigger than most cities in America.

You cant apply Tokyo and Paris and London standards to every Milwaukee, Cincinatti, and Tallahassee. The former were big international hubs before America even existed. The growth of cities in America evolved differently.

We’re not set up like other countries. But ofc we should do what we can to maximize our particular circumstances.

[tpols]

To be fair, cities like Tokyo are far bigger than most cities in America.

You cant apply Tokyo and Paris and London standards to every Milwaukee, Cincinatti, and Tallahassee. The former were big international hubs before America even existed. The growth of cities in America evolved differently.

We’re not set up like other countries. But ofc we should do what we can to maximize our particular circumstances.

still doesnt take away from the point that car traffic is tremendously inefficent.

Most commuter's vehicles are only 15-20% capacity filled. Trains are packed man. and they get there far quicker providing you know the schedule when to show up.

[Hawker]

Hawker, if you arent a ***** ass bitch lets live our lives one quarter mile at a time and race for pink slips. You can drive your fastest gas car (hopefully its that awesome FJ cruiser you once owned) and I'll drive my weak ass Tesla model 3.

I have a 2012 subaru impreza. It's not a turbo but it is a manual. I'm not afraid to redline it either.

Let's get back to the coronavirus thread and fight the fearmongering. Or you could go to the russia witchhunt thread and post about the recent news of Michael Flynn. :cheers:

[Hawker]

The "local council"? WTF are you talking about? I thought you were american?



How exactly have I been saying that your job would be eliminated since 2007 when my account was created in mid 2009?

Anyway, regardless of when I first started saying it, theres no doubt that your job is being eliminated as we speak. Ride the wave while it lasts... maybe the price of oil will go positive again someday

Remind me... what does the price of oil need to be in order for your fracked shale to be profitable? something in the ballpark of $50/barrel right?



No its not, Portland is FAR more anti-corporate than Seattle. Saying that Portland and Seattle have the same politics and worldview is no less stupid than saying that OKC and Dallas have the same politics and worldview.

Seattle is a huge tech hub and its home to Amazon, Microsoft, Boeing, and the top two wealthiest men on the entire planet... meanwhile the wealthiest company in Oregon is Nike and our wealthiest resident is Phil Knight who has less than 1/3rd of the wealth of the titans of Seattle.

Local council...local city council. Same shit.

I don't live in America at the moment hence why I mix up my vernacular time to time.

Ok then. Since mid 2009. The profitability of shale varies from company to company but there's definitely been malinvestment in that part of the economy with lack of profitable return. I hope things shake out a bit better to create a more profitable and sustainable O&G business. That's why I don't want a bailout for the O&G business.

WTI is back to $18/bbl btw. Brent crude didn't crash either since that's generally the world standard whereas WTI is more US.

Point taken on the corporate. The SJW mentality is still existent in each city.

[Hawker]

hawker is very dogmatic in his approach.

he's just... anti government everything. doesnt matter the logic.

And if it isn't done right? It's excused away like you and nanners are doing in this thread.

[Nanners]

I have a 2012 subaru impreza. It's not a turbo but it is a manual. I'm not afraid to redline it either.

Let's get back to the coronavirus thread and fight the fearmongering. Or you could go to the russia witchhunt thread and post about the recent news of Michael Flynn. :cheers:

I thought you had an FJ cruiser?

Hopefully you made some decent money if you sold yours, those things are worth a lot of money these days...

Anyway, I'm just giving you a hard time, I dont actually have any beef with you ... im finna follow your suggestion and go pile on the libtards in the coronavirus thread

[Hawker]

I thought you had an FJ cruiser?

Hopefully you made some decent money if you sold yours, those things are worth a lot of money these days...

I sold it back in 2013. I bought it in New Mexico and sold it in Houston, TX to some grandfather who wanted to give it to her daughter as her first car. Classic upper middle class suburbia shit. They probably didn't realize it only took premium fuel like I didn't until I took the fuel cap off for the first time. :oldlol:

I didn't feel good about that sale but I needed to get rid of it.

[Nanners]

I sold it back in 2013. I bought it in New Mexico and sold it in Houston, TX to some grandfather who wanted to give it to her daughter as her first car. Classic upper middle class white shit.

I didn't feel good about that sale but I needed to get rid of it.

Damn... lucky girl.

my grandfather gave me his chrysler sebring when I turned 16... shittiest car of all time

[coin24]

To be fair, cities like Tokyo are far bigger than most cities in America.

You cant apply Tokyo and Paris and London standards to every Milwaukee, Cincinatti, and Tallahassee. The former were big international hubs before America even existed. The growth of cities in America evolved differently.

We’re not set up like other countries. But ofc we should do what we can to maximize our particular circumstances.

NY subway is disgraceful they haven't maintained it at all.
LA barely even has a train, only that pathetic slow one with about 5 stops from Hollywood to staples center.

Those cities should have state of the art public transport systems. LA has some of the worst traffic in the world.

The smaller cities obviously don't need it, but all the other mid size ones should have a rail or light rail system.

[Hawker]

Isn’t LA’s mountain geography holding it back on public transport?

[SouBeachTalents]

NY subway is disgraceful they haven't maintained it at all.
LA barely even has a train, only that pathetic slow one with about 5 stops from Hollywood to staples center.

Those cities should have state of the art public transport systems. LA has some of the worst traffic in the world.

The smaller cities obviously don't need it, but all the other mid size ones should have a rail or light rail system.
NYC's public transport definitely has it's issues, but at least you can legitimately get anywhere you want to in the city by train, which is something you wouldn't be able to claim almost anywhere else in the country. L.A. essentially having no train service in a city of 4 million with literally some of the worst traffic in the world is inexplicable

[LAmbruh]

Isn’t LA’s mountain geography holding it back on public transport?
nope, funding for construction has been suspended midway to build a wall

https://i.postimg.cc/YCtggjH1/jhlhi-yuoltu.png


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/16/trump-administration-pulls-california-high-speed-rail-funding.html

[Hawker]

nope, funding for construction has been suspended midway to build a wall

https://i.postimg.cc/YCtggjH1/jhlhi-yuoltu.png


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/16/trump-administration-pulls-california-high-speed-rail-funding.html

Well I’m glad federal funding was diverted from a shitty boondoggle for one state and diverted to another that is for federal.

If the project needed federal funding in the first place, it was unsustainable. Typical smug Californian attitude to think it’s entitled to federal funds.

[LAmbruh]

Well I’m glad federal funding was diverted from a shitty boondoggle for one state and diverted to another that is for federal.

If the project needed federal funding in the first place, it was unsustainable. Typical smug Californian attitude to think it’s entitled to federal funds.

yeah shitty smug high speed public transport


we'll make mexico pay for it

[n00bie]

Not to mention the number of serious injuries not included as fatalities.

And unfortunately, these totals dont skew toward lifelong smokers and 80 year old dementia patients in nursing homes.

Is it time?

#SaveEveryLife

Are you comparing 38k annual deaths to 60k deaths in 1 month from covid19?

Serious question.. are you a mentally disabled adult or a 5 year old kid?

[Phong]

yeah shitty smug high speed public transport


we'll make mexico pay for it Yeah it's shitty. California has spent billions and has nothing to show for it. The project is 13 years behind schedule and $50 billions over budget.

The $929 millions was a federal grant from the Obama administration contingent on completing the Central Valley portion of the rail track. This was to boost the economy of the Central Valley. Since they didn't complete anything, the grant was pulled back.

Anyway, this has nothing to do with Hawkers question about public transportation within LA.

[Norcaliblunt]

Yeah connecting the SFV and the LA Basin is an engineering issue, but other then that each area is flat as shit and could easily have light rail running across them. The metro sucks.

and Hawker you’re a punk bitch.

[Cleverness]

taxpayers voted for a bullet train using a $4B loan that would be repaid by private investors

there were no private investors so we're spending $70 billion for an invisible train instead

trump pulled nearly $1 billion, but at least there are pieces of a wall

[FultzNationRISE]

Are you comparing 38k annual deaths to 60k deaths in 1 month from covid19?

Serious question.. are you a mentally disabled adult or a 5 year old kid?


Covid is mostly killing people whove already lived full lives and are in poor health and near the end anyway.

Also Covid deaths are undoubtedly over reported, because anyone who dies of any medical issue is just being chalked up as a covid fatality, as if some portion of these people wouldnt be dying anyway.


If I could grant you one guarantee, either that youll never die in a car wreck or youll never die from covid, which one are you taking?

Go ahead, pretend you’d taking the covid immunity :oldlol:

[Hawker]

Yeah connecting the SFV and the LA Basin is an engineering issue, but other then that each area is flat as shit and could easily have light rail running across them. The metro sucks.

and Hawker you’re a punk bitch.

:lol Got these left libertarians triggered.

[DoctorP]

retarded as ever . retard