How many rings do the Bulls get if you replace Rodman for Love?

[Mamba4Life]

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[bullettooth]

3/9 and MJ becomes the GOAT.

Because logic.

[LeCroix]

He has Rodman for 3 chips so then 96 is a NO, 97 is a no 98 is..........prob still no. Damn 0 for 3.

[aceman]

Love will have to defend shaq, kemp & Malone - what's the problem?

[dbugz]

without Rodman or Love

MJ will still win as is.

GOAT

[LAmbruh]

Love will have to defend shaq, kemp & Malone - what's the problem?

:roll:

[KD7]

0, Bulls will get absolutely annilated on the interior by every single team

Did you see what Donatas Sabonis did to Kevin Love in the Cavs vs Pacers series?

Now imagine what the likes of Kemp and Malone would do :oldlol:

[Overdrive]

I thought Pippen is the best defender ever and Jordan only won because of him. Why wouldn't Pippen guard all the mentioned players? Of course you can use him on Bryon Russell, Hawkins and Dennis Scott instead.

[tpols]

nobody remembers it... but tristan thompson was basically like rodman for the cavs.. monster offensive rebounder, and very good defender.

give the bulls him too.

[LAL]

nobody remembers it... but tristan thompson was basically like rodman for the cavs.. monster offensive rebounder, and very good defender.

give the bulls him too.

Give him Tristan Thompson & Mozgov for defense and rebounding, Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving, Iman Shumpert defense, Jr smith shooting and defense, delavadova chasing point guards, RJ leading by example,etc.. he'd be fine. Without even mentioning that Heatles squad.

[Mamba4Life]

nobody remembers it... but tristan thompson was basically like rodman for the cavs.. monster offensive rebounder, and very good defender.

give the bulls him too.

So Cavs only won 19 games in 2019 with Love + Rodman? :wtf:

This is almost as dumb as your take previously saying Korver = Klay

[MoneyMitch23]

Easily same results.

[97 bulls]

I'd say 1. Maybe 2. But they definitely dont win 72 and 69 games.

[Axe]

nobody remembers it... but tristan thompson was basically like rodman for the cavs.. monster offensive rebounder, and very good defender.

give the bulls him too.
Really? How many rebounding champion awards does the nikka have?

[tpols]

So Cavs only won 19 games in 2019 with Love + Rodman? :wtf:

This is almost as dumb as your take previously saying Korver = Klay


For the playoffs, TT led the league in offensive rebounding during Cleveland's runs.

And get this... he has a godly 130 ORTG in the playoffs for his career with big sample size.

:biggums:

[Mamba4Life]

For the playoffs, TT led the league in offensive rebounding during Cleveland's runs.

And get this... he has a godly 130 ORTG in the playoffs for his career with big sample size.

:biggums:

Why did curry outrebound TT in the 2017 Finals?

Why did bran outrebound TT in the 2015 and 2018 Finals?


Can you imagine Rodman getting out rebounded by Curry and bran in back to back finals? :oldlol:

[Roundball_Rock]

Did you see what Donatas Sabonis did to Kevin Love in the Cavs vs Pacers series?

Now imagine what the likes of Kemp and Malone would do :oldlol:

This. It is no coincidence all the Bulls rings came with an elite defender at PF on the roster.

[Whoah10115]

Kevin Love would also change the way the Bulls played, would he not? He'd be able to stretch the floor, tho he'd do it much less than he does now. And he'd be a guy in the post, and would be a perfect fit in the triangle.

If you can replace Longley with a great defensive player then it's a great trade. Either way, who knows. Like for like you're not exactly getting a nobody. Would be much different.

Not that Rodman was close to usual best in either series against the Jazz. He played great defense, inevitably, but he averaged 10RPG over 36MPG those two series, without playing near 36MPG either series.

[Roundball_Rock]

If Love is in the 90s he isn't shooting threes. He would be taking mid-range shots like Grant or Wennington could do but he would provide more post scoring than any Bulls' big man could do (of course they used MJ and Pippen in the post a lot, especially MJ). Was there any star big man who shot threes back then? There were people like Sam Perkins, Cliff Robinson, etc. but the stars rarely if ever took threes.

[andgar923]

People acting like Love wasn't an all star rebounding champ that was a franchise player.

Would he be as good defensively as Rodman? of course not.

But he'd be a much much better defender that he's been in his career if he'd played under MJ.

[Whoah10115]

If Love is in the 90s he isn't shooting threes. He would be taking mid-range shots like Grant or Wennington could do but he would provide more post scoring than any Bulls' big man could do (of course they used MJ and Pippen in the post a lot, especially MJ). Was there any star big man who shot threes back then? There were people like Sam Perkins, Cliff Robinson, etc. but the stars rarely if ever took threes.

But even if he's only 20 feet out, that opens it up. Plus he could take advantage of how great both Jordan and Pippen are in the open court, with those outlet passes.

[Roundball_Rock]

True. While the Bulls had some big men with intermediate range, none were the scoring threats Love was so Love would command a lot more of those shots than, say, Grant did.

[RogueBorg]

This. It is no coincidence all the Bulls rings came with an elite defender at PF on the roster.

Do you really feel Horace was an elite defender? I always thought of him as being a bit soft. Rodman was elite, Grant was good.

[r0drig0lac]

0/3

[Roundball_Rock]

Do you really feel Horace was an elite defender? I always thought of him as being a bit soft. Rodman was elite, Grant was good.

It depends on how you define "elite" but Grant was all-Defense second team for years in a row but never made a first. So let's say he was a top 10 type defender but not a DPOY contender.

Rodman definitely was an upgrade on defense but he was a zero on offense while Grant provided some scoring. Overall Rodman clearly was the better player but Grant gets forgotten today. He is an afterthought in the doc.

[And1AllDay]

Why did curry outrebound TT in the 2017 Finals?

Why did bran outrebound TT in the 2015 and 2018 Finals?


Can you imagine Rodman getting out rebounded by Curry and bran in back to back finals? :oldlol:

body bagged

[tpols]

Why did curry outrebound TT in the 2017 Finals?

Why did bran outrebound TT in the 2015 and 2018 Finals?


Can you imagine Rodman getting out rebounded by Curry and bran in back to back finals? :oldlol:


You're cherry picking series and names.

Tristan Thompson out rebounded everybody in the entire NBA on the offensive glass in the 2015-2018 playoffs.

He had a rodman like hustle and nose for the ball.

But a 130 ORTG. Rodman NEVER did that. And they both got the same type of buckets so its apples to apples.

[aceman]

Bulls didn't need scoring! They were top offense for much of their run. Kukoc had 17 ppg in 1995 on good efficiency before Jordan came back. In 1996 he was underutilized with 13 ppg. Team needed defence & rebounding of Rodman.

[aceman]

If Love is in the 90s he isn't shooting threes. He would be taking mid-range shots like Grant or Wennington could do but he would provide more post scoring than any Bulls' big man could do (of course they used MJ and Pippen in the post a lot, especially MJ). Was there any star big man who shot threes back then? There were people like Sam Perkins, Cliff Robinson, etc. but the stars rarely if ever took threes.
I think Longley was a better post scorer than love

[nayte]

Well obviously they get the first three but after that not sure .maybe get one out of the next three

[3ball]

Rodman forced the bulls to get expensive offensive players, while Love allows management to fill out the roster with cheaper defenders

So the Bulls would actually be a better defensive team, by having more financial capacity to pursue players

Furthermore, MJ had goat offenses despite playing 4-on-5 with Rodman.. so he'd have otherwordly offenses with Love that would win the attrition battle better, aka wear down opponent's defense, thus giving them less capacity for offense

[Uncle Drew]

Rodman forced the bulls to get expensive offensive players, while Love allows management to fill out the roster with cheaper defenders

So the Bulls would actually be a better defensive team, by having more financial capacity to pursue players

Furthermore, MJ had goat offenses despite playing 4-on-5 with Rodman.. so he'd have otherwordly offenses with Love that would win the attrition battle better, aka wear down opponent's defense, thus giving them less capacity for offense

:roll:

[KD7]

Rodman forced the bulls to get expensive offensive players, while Love allows management to fill out the roster with cheaper defenders

So the Bulls would actually be a better defensive team, by having more financial capacity to pursue players

Furthermore, MJ had goat offenses despite playing 4-on-5 with Rodman.. so he'd have otherwordly offenses with Love that would win the attrition battle better, aka wear down opponent's defense, thus giving them less capacity for offense
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[LeCroix]

Rodman forced the bulls to get expensive offensive players, while Love allows management to fill out the roster with cheaper defenders

So the Bulls would actually be a better defensive team, by having more financial capacity to pursue players

Furthermore, MJ had goat offenses despite playing 4-on-5 with Rodman.. so he'd have otherwordly offenses with Love that would win the attrition battle better, aka wear down opponent's defense, thus giving them less capacity for offense

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[Roundball_Rock]

Rodman forced the bulls to get expensive offensive players

Such as...? They didn't adapt their roster around Rodman. He parachuted in to fill the massive hole left by the departed Horace Grant. You make it seem like they signed David Robinson and Gary Payton in response to Rodman's offensive deficiencies.

It should be noted Rodman played on 5 championship teams with two franchises. He was in San Antonio for two years but made the WCF. Rodman was an asset, not a liability to his teams.

[r0drig0lac]

Rodman forced the bulls to get expensive offensive players, while Love allows management to fill out the roster with cheaper defenders

So the Bulls would actually be a better defensive team, by having more financial capacity to pursue players

Furthermore, MJ had goat offenses despite playing 4-on-5 with Rodman.. so he'd have otherwordly offenses with Love that would win the attrition battle better, aka wear down opponent's defense, thus giving them less capacity for offense

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[3ball]

Such as...? They didn't adapt their roster around Rodman. He parachuted in to fill the massive hole left by the departed Horace Grant. You make it seem like they signed David Robinson and Gary Payton in response to Rodman's offensive deficiencies.

It should be noted Rodman played on 5 championship teams with two franchises. He was in San Antonio for two years but made the WCF. Rodman was an asset, not a liability to his teams.

The 15' Cavs signed Mosgov on the cheap (better rim protection than MJ ever had) because they didn't need more expensive offensive players thanks to Love.. otoh, I remember the bulls signing sophisticated offensive bigman Bison Dele to an expensive 1-off contract because Rodman didn't cut it offensively.

And again, we hear coaches say all the time: "make him work on defense", because that wears down the star and their ability for offense - the same thing applies to teams.. teams that are on their heels defensively (facing more pressure than they're applying), have less capacity for offense... Since we know MJ would have otherwordly offenses with Love, that helps in the attrition battle - bulls can apply more pressure/wear down a team like say, the 14' Spurs, so the Spurs are less potent on offense... Fight fire with fire... A best defense is a good offense

[Whoah10115]

Lunatic is not necessarily wrong in this particular argument.

Obviously Rodman was not a detriment to his teams, but in context of this team you could argue this would work better. Get a strong defensive big man.

[aceman]

Rodman forced the bulls to get expensive offensive players, while Love allows management to fill out the roster with cheaper defenders

So the Bulls would actually be a better defensive team, by having more financial capacity to pursue players

Furthermore, MJ had goat offenses despite playing 4-on-5 with Rodman.. so he'd have otherwordly offenses with Love that would win the attrition battle better, aka wear down opponent's defense, thus giving them less capacity for offense

Pippen was most underpaid player in league while Rodman was obtained for Will. All other big guy options would have crashed salary cap. Total rewriting of history & completely wrong.

[Axe]

Rodman forced the bulls to get expensive offensive players, while Love allows management to fill out the roster with cheaper defenders

So the Bulls would actually be a better defensive team, by having more financial capacity to pursue players

Furthermore, MJ had goat offenses despite playing 4-on-5 with Rodman.. so he'd have otherwordly offenses with Love that would win the attrition battle better, aka wear down opponent's defense, thus giving them less capacity for offense
Where the hell did you get such narratives?

[3ball]

Pippen was most underpaid player in league while Rodman was obtained for Will. All other big guy options would have crashed salary cap. Total rewriting of history & completely wrong.

You're misunderstanding what I said (possibly on purpose to avoid it's potency)

Pippen's salary is irrelevant... Otoh, his poor shooting and weak offense requires the Bulls to find expensive shooters and offensive players to fill out the roster, while Kyrie's deluxe scoring allows management to seek out cheaper defenders...

That's why the 18' Celtics had the #1 defense with Kyrie as the best player - they had a bunch of cheap defenders filling out the roster (whereas Pippen's weak shooting and offense needs expensive shooters and scorers to fill out roster)

[MrFonzworth]

6

Imagine any of those vaccum salesman trying to guard Kyrie:lol

[LAmbruh]

6

Imagine any of those vaccum salesman trying to guard Kyrie:lol

:oldlol:

[aceman]

You're misunderstanding what I said (possibly on purpose to avoid it's potency)

Pippen's salary is irrelevant... Otoh, his poor shooting and weak offense requires the Bulls to find expensive shooters and offensive players to fill out the roster, while Kyrie's deluxe scoring allows management to seek out cheaper defenders...

That's why the 18' Celtics had the #1 defense with Kyrie as the best player - they had a bunch of cheap defenders filling out the roster (whereas Pippen's weak shooting and offense needs expensive shooters and scorers to fill out roster)

I don't think you've thought out what you're saying - maybe since last dance was released ex players & media have come out & said Pippen best player in NBA when MJ retired & you're left to just throwing stuff out.
1996 Bulls went through 3 hof centers on route to chip - no cheap defenders would have archived this.
Pippens versatility saved team money allowing for spot up shooters like Kerr instead of true point guards. He was also an all-star second scoring option & all world defender in one.

[Roundball_Rock]

I remember the bulls signing sophisticated offensive bigman Bison Dele to an expensive 1-off contract because Rodman didn't cut it offensively.

:biggums:

They signed Dele with 9 games left in the season and did not bring him back for 98'.

You can't produce any example of "expensive offensive players" the Bulls signed because of Rodman because they do not exist.


Total rewriting of history & completely wrong.

It is non-stop deception.


requires the Bulls to find expensive shooters and offensive players to fill out the roster

:oldlol: The only expensive player they had was MJ, and even he was only expensive for his final 2 years in Chicago.