Series tied 2-2, game 5 MJ takes 8 shots and loses?

[LeCroix]

Who can give me more info on this?
1989 ecf and Michael plays 46 min and takes 8 shots scores 18 in a loss. This decises series I think? Did he give up?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198905310DET.html

[Roundball_Rock]

Doug Collins asked him to pass the ball (e.g., stop ball hogging) and this was his form of protest. It is covered in Sam Smith's book The Jordan Rules. Ask yourself, when before or after did MJ ever take only 8 shots?

[Kblaze8855]

There was a video on a bunch of chances he passed up that game long ago but that and most of the game have been taken down. Here is a few minutes though:



https://youtu.be/DgiPrZ1eDTU



You see some doubles. Sometimes he brings it up vs no real pressure but calls a play for someone else. It’s obvious he wasn’t looking to score. You can’t “hold” Jordan to 8 shots. He holds himself to 8 shots through a combo of game plan and deciding on the fly not to attack in situation me he would normally freelance. All kinds of theories on why....but fact is you can’t hold a player of that caliber to 8 shots if he doesn’t allow it.

[Roundball_Rock]

It is a shame something like this was just air brushed from the doc. We have no official answer, just the circumstantial evidence of Collins' request and MJ's performance in the next game.

[KD7]

Probably the biggest disappearance act in NBA history :oldlol:

Love how the stans swept this under the rug and acted like this never happened

[dbugz]

nothing much worst than losing an old mavs team.

biggest embarrassment ever in this history of the nba

[ArbitraryWater]

Thats a worse quit job than Kobe in 2006.

Some will to win...

[ArbitraryWater]

nothing much worst than losing an old mavs team.

biggest embarrassment ever in this history of the nba

You articulate like a retard. "ever in this history", huh? Yeah man

[Roundball_Rock]

Love how the stans swept this under the rug and acted like this never happened

It is funny because they bring the migraine game Pippen had in 90' up every year but never mention this game in 89'.

[LeCroix]

nothing much worst than losing an old mavs team.

biggest embarrassment ever in this history of the nba

Rest your emotions and mind, they will thank you later newborn male

[Roundball_Rock]

All the "migraine" people avoiding this thread like the plague. :lol

[LeCroix]

All the "migraine" people avoiding this thread like the plague. :lol

Have you noticed this movmenet as well as I have noticed

[Hey Yo]

Doug Collins asked him to pass the ball (e.g., stop ball hogging) and this was his form of protest. It is covered in Sam Smith's book The Jordan Rules. Ask yourself, when before or after did MJ ever take only 8 shots?
So we're suppose to believe that this fierce competitor, who wants to win at all costs, that can smell a possible Finals appearance, the biggest postseason game of his career............. and he supposedly all of a sudden wants to protest and purposely passes up many scoring opportunities???

At that point of his career (huge superstar), he could have easily said "**** Collins" and proceeded to play as he did the first 4gms. Collins surely would've known he'd get fired if the FO found out he told MJ to hold back in trying to score and pass more in such a huge game for the entire Bulls organization.

It had've been something deeper other than "pass the ball more"


:confusedshrug:

[Akeem34TheDream]

Wow Kobe really imitated Jordan like in every way.

[LAmbruh]

:hammertime::dancin

[DoctorP]

Probably the biggest disappearance act in NBA history :oldlol:

Love how the stans swept this under the rug and acted like this never happened
https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmkjpwbjh01qh9wcto1_500.jpg

[MrFonzworth]

Probably the biggest disappearance act in NBA history :oldlol:

Love how the stans swept this under the rug and acted like this never happened

Your parents weren't even in middle school yet when this happened fatass.

[Roundball_Rock]

So we're suppose to believe that this fierce competitor, who wants to win at all costs, that can smell a possible Finals appearance, the biggest postseason game of his career............. and he supposedly all of a sudden wants to protest and purposely passes up many scoring opportunities???

At that point of his career (huge superstar), he could have easily said "**** Collins" and proceeded to play as he did the first 4gms. Collins surely would've known he'd get fired if the FO found out he told MJ to hold back in trying to score and pass more in such a huge game for the entire Bulls organization.

It had've been something deeper other than "pass the ball more"


:confusedshrug:

Great points. It is pretty obvious what he did but the media is so busy deifying him this isn't even mentioned anymore. Zero about it in the doc. He could have said "F it, I am taking 30 shots anyway" but we saw a similar scenario with Kobe (in a Game 7--so a guy with the same "will to win" and "killer instinct" stories quit in a Game 7). The explanation we have gotten about Kobe was it was to protest the weakness of the roster he had around him. Perhaps that was part of MJ's motivation?

It should be noted Collins was fired after that season, despite the Bulls going farther than they ever did before.

The lowest number of shots MJ ever took in a playoff game is 8 in this game. The next closest are 14 in two blowouts.

[Overdrive]

Probably the biggest disappearance act in NBA history :oldlol:

Love how the stans swept this under the rug and acted like this never happened

Sure. Not like a certain someone had a 8 pt finals game were two came from a blatant flop.

The game doesn't get swept under the rug. It gets brought up now and then, it's just you guys are finding out about Jordan rn and that gets you all insecure AF.

Just for reference:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201005090BOS.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201005110CLE.html

[Roundball_Rock]

The game doesn't get swept under the rug. It gets brought up now and then

By who? Random people on ISH? The media never mentions it. The only reason we know about it is a book from 1991.


Not like a certain someone had a 8 pt finals game were two came from a blatant flop.

Conflating choking with quitting.

[Overdrive]

By who? Random people on ISH? The media never mentions it. The only reason we know about it is a book from 1991.



Conflating choking with quitting.

I can't watch US media so of course most of the sources I can access are internet articles and discussions.

Choking, quitting doesn't matter. Both guys are obviously capable of doing more than they did those games. The Celtics games were obvious quitjobs. Just like Jordan's, just like Kobe's, just like.... I'm sure any player had those. Those guys basically worked basketball and any worker has days were he willfully or unwillfully can't work as expected. We just act like these guys are some robots or game characters with certain capabilites they can always reproduce. It's stupid and childish. Just like 90% of the most recent discussions on Jordan and Lebron - and all of the proxy discussions.

[warriorfan]

MJ didn’t quit, he got his butt kicked by the Pistons over and over and kept improving himself and his team until they were able to overcome them.

If MJ quit on his team and joined the 2nd(Karl Malone) and 4th(Magic Johnson)highest PER in the league In order to take a shortcut to beat the Pistons....That would have been quitting

(For the record that is what LeBron did in his prime. He could not overcome Orlando and the Celtics so he quit on his team to collude with the 2nd and 4th highest PERs in the league. Still losing in the Finals while being outscored by Jason Terry)


https://i.postimg.cc/k4XtJvrQ/3-E06-CEB8-3233-4192-96-F3-56-CD26-B17845.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/GthTphv4/8095891-F-F96-C-448-F-A26-E-EFF525-D2-D0-BC.jpg

[Manny98]

Sure. Not like a certain someone had a 8 pt finals game were two came from a blatant flop.

The game doesn't get swept under the rug. It gets brought up now and then, it's just you guys are finding out about Jordan rn and that gets you all insecure AF.

Just for reference:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201005090BOS.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201005110CLE.html

Like I said the typical Jordan Stan defense mechanism is to attack LeBron :roll:

And those games you posted LeBron took way more than 8 shots and almost had a triple double so not much of a disapperence act compared to Jordan

Even in the infamous 8 point game LeBron took more than 8 shots and was more aggressive than Jordan who literally dissapered from the face of the earth in the biggest game of his career :lol

[DoctorP]

MJ didn’t quit, he got his butt kicked by the Pistons over and over and kept improving himself and his team until they were able to overcome them.

If MJ quit on his team and joined the 2nd(Karl Malone) and 4th(Magic Johnson)highest PER in the league In order to take a shortcut to beat the Pistons....That would have been quitting

(For the record that is what LeBron did in his prime. He could not overcome Orlando and the Celtics so he quit on his team to collude with the 2nd and 4th highest PERs in the league. Still losing in the Finals while being outscored by Jason Terry)


https://i.postimg.cc/k4XtJvrQ/3-E06-CEB8-3233-4192-96-F3-56-CD26-B17845.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/GthTphv4/8095891-F-F96-C-448-F-A26-E-EFF525-D2-D0-BC.jpg

nice

[Overdrive]

Like I said the typical Jordan Stan defense mechanism is to attack LeBron :roll:

And those games you posted LeBron took way more than 8 shots and almost had a triple double so not much of a disapperence act compared to Jordan

Even in the infamous 8 point game LeBron took more than 8 shots and was more aggressive than Jordan who literally dissapered from the face of the earth in the biggest game of his career :lol

Jordan is a douche, who if it was by character alone wouldn't deserve to be GOAT. Calling me stan will do nothing on me. I stan no player.
Jordan was just a better player than Lebron and most fans think that way Jordan stans or not.

Cool that Lebron took more shots, he still quit. Also having a TD means nothing in Lebron's case. Having one doesn't tip the scale the slightest bit. His Ast/Reb numbers just go along his playing.
So he had an 8 point game on more than 8 shots? Legendary shooter.


How is that Jordan's most important game? It wasn't an elimaniation game and he still made it to 6 championships later on. If that was Jordan's biggest game, so was 2010 ECSF G5 for Lebron. Just as asinine. He still won later on.

[Manny98]

Lebron Lebron Lebron's Lebron:rant
:roll:

[Overdrive]

Jordan LeBron LeBron Jordan LeBron Jordan

:roll:
:roll:
:roll::roll:

[Roundball_Rock]

I can't watch US media so of course most of the sources I can access are internet articles and discussions.

That game is never discussed in the USA. The main reason some fans on places like ISH know about it is from The Jordan Rules book. That book came out in a different era. Since MJ's first retirement has gotten nothing but fawning and worshipful coverage.

Jordan is invoked on sports talk shows whenever a player has a bad moment. "MJ would never..." is always the go to line. He is portrayed as having a perfect record.


Choking, quitting doesn't matter.

The difference is intent. The choker is trying and failing. The quitter is not even trying. LeBron himself quit in Game 5 against the Celtics in 2010--but that and Kobe quitting in Game 7 are remembered. MJ's Game 5 is down the memory hole. Just look at the doc. Nothing on that, nothing on his friction with Collins, etc.


Like I said the typical Jordan Stan defense mechanism is to attack LeBron

It is crazy, right? Anytime MJ is critiqued there is an immediate pivot to LeBron.


How is that Jordan's most important game?

It was the most important game in his career by that point. The Bulls finally got out the first round in 88' but then got crushed by the Pistons. In 89' the Bulls made it to the ECF and the series was tied 2-2. If MJ shows up and they win they have a 3-2 lead. Instead they go down 2-3, Pippen gets concussed a minute into Game 6 and they are eliminated.


If that was Jordan's biggest game, so was 2010 ECSF G5 for Lebron

Not comparable. LeBron's biggest games were in the 07' finals. He had better games the 10' ECSF in the 07' and 09' finals.

[LeCroix]

That game is never discussed in the USA. The main reason some fans on places like ISH know about it is from The Jordan Rules book. That book came out in a different era. Since MJ's first retirement has gotten nothing but fawning and worshipful coverage.

Jordan is invoked on sports talk shows whenever a player has a bad moment. "MJ would never..." is always the go to line. He is portrayed as having a perfect record.



The difference is intent. The choker is trying and failing. The quitter is not even trying. LeBron himself quit in Game 5 against the Celtics in 2010--but that and Kobe quitting in Game 7 are remembered. MJ's Game 5 is down the memory hole. Just look at the doc. Nothing on that, nothing on his friction with Collins, etc.



It is crazy, right? Anytime MJ is critiqued there is an immediate pivot to LeBron.



It was the most important game in his career by that point. The Bulls finally got out the first round in 88' but then got crushed by the Pistons. In 89' the Bulls made it to the ECF and the series was tied 2-2. If MJ shows up and they win they have a 3-2 lead. Instead they go down 2-3, Pippen gets concussed a minute into Game 6 and they are eliminated.



Not comparable. LeBron's biggest games were in the 07' finals. He had better games the 10' ECSF in the 07' and 09' finals.

LeBron biggest game was 2012 game 6 vs Bostown dow 3-2 in Boston

[Hey Yo]

Headline for LA times story about game 5

Working More Magic, Jordan Disappears as Bulls Lose to Pistons

"Yes, almost anybody might have expected the Detroit Pistons to be successful Wednesday night on their home court, to take a 3-2 advantage over the Chicago Bulls in their ferocious match to see who fights the Lakers for the National Basketball Assn. championship.

Yes, somebody might have even foreseen Vinnie (Microwave) Johnson coming off the bench to score 16 of his 22 points for Detroit in the fourth quarter, breaking open a close game.

However, could anybody have anticipated, before Detroit’s 94-85 victory over Chicago in Game 5 of the Eastern Conference finals, that:

Chicago’s Michael Jordan would take only eight shots in 46 minutes?

Craig Hodges would lead Chicago in shots and points?

Bill Laimbeer would be benched by Detroit the entire fourth quarter?

Detroit’s Isiah Thomas and Mark Aguirre would be benched almost the entire fourth quarter?

Detroit’s starting five would combine in the fourth quarter for three points?

Brad Sellers would play 22 minutes for Chicago after not playing in the past three games--and take one less shot than Jordan?

No wonder it was suggested that the Bulls turned Jordan into a $2.5-million-a-year decoy.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-06-01-sp-1414-story.html

There'e a lot more in the link. Basically MJ blaming his teammates for not making their shots, even though they were only down by 1 entering the 4th.

[warriorfan]

LeBron biggest game was 2012 game 6 vs Bostown dow 3-2 in Boston

Battling an ancient Celtics team (Their big 3 had a combined age of 105, were two years removed from even making the Finals) in his prime (LeBron age 27, his big 3 had a total age of 84) after he colluded with the 2nd and 4th highest per in the league. That would be like if Michael Jordan joined with Karl Malone (2nd in PER) and Magic Johnson(4th in PER) in order to beat the Knicks. Not very big.

[AlternativeAcc.]

maybe warriorfan will get a reply after his 100th post today, we shall see

betting .000 at the moment though

https://media.giphy.com/media/AazZg81kM4JUs/giphy.gif

[warriorfan]

maybe warriorfan will get a reply after his 100th post today, we shall see

betting .000 at the moment though

https://media.giphy.com/media/AazZg81kM4JUs/giphy.gif

Thanks for the reply.

[Hey Yo]

Battling an ancient Celtics team (Their big 3 had a combined age of 105, were two years removed from even making the Finals) in his prime (LeBron age 27, his big 3 had a total age of 84) after he colluded with the 2nd and 4th highest per in the league. That would be like if Michael Jordan joined with Karl Malone (2nd in PER) and Magic Johnson(4th in PER) in order to beat the Knicks. Not very big.
Bosh played 3gms (didn't start) due to injury and averaged 24mins per game. Boston was up 3-2 in series at one point.

Probably help if you actually watched the series so you don't look like a dumbass babbling about stuff you're clueless about.

[warriorfan]

Bosh played 3gms (didn't start) due to injury and averaged 24mins per game. Boston was up 3-2 in series at one point.

Probably help if you actually watched the series so you don't look like a dumbass babbling about stuff you're clueless about.

Doesn’t change the fact that the Celtics were an ancient team two years removed of making it to the Finals. They weren’t some juggernaut at that point by any means. Bosh should just be icing on the cake.

[Overdrive]

That game is never discussed in the USA. The main reason some fans on places like ISH know about it is from The Jordan Rules book. That book came out in a different era. Since MJ's first retirement has gotten nothing but fawning and worshipful coverage.

Jordan is invoked on sports talk shows whenever a player has a bad moment. "MJ would never..." is always the go to line. He is portrayed as having a perfect record.

We don't have that here. Aside from Dirk in the german media the NBA disappeared from the public perception. We got the first player over there and it's barely noticed.



The difference is intent. The choker is trying and failing. The quitter is not even trying. LeBron himself quit in Game 5 against the Celtics in 2010--but that and Kobe quitting in Game 7 are remembered. MJ's Game 5 is down the memory hole. Just look at the doc. Nothing on that, nothing on his friction with Collins, etc.

That's besides my point. We know these guys are capable of more than they did those games.




It is crazy, right? Anytime MJ is critiqued there is an immediate pivot to LeBron.

That's why I called you out siding with the Lebron trolls in the Pippen 55Ws thread. KD7, who I quoted - Manny's alt, is trying to tear down Jordan in a cheap attempt to push his Lebron agenda.
That's all he does and guys like you, who use valid points are enabling one stupid troll's agenda, because you hate other stupid stan's agenda.

Honestly **** them all. The 3balls and the Mannys. It's just dishonest to let one groups agenda fly while rejecting the others' saying you hate stanning.



It was the most important game in his career by that point. The Bulls finally got out the first round in 88' but then got crushed by the Pistons. In 89' the Bulls made it to the ECF and the series was tied 2-2. If MJ shows up and they win they have a 3-2 lead. Instead they go down 2-3, Pippen gets concussed a minute into Game 6 and they are eliminated.


So for G6 you use hindsight, but not for G5? How would Jordan know that they will lose, because Pippen will go down in G6? Of course he should've done anything to win, but he still had a shot after that Game. How was it his most important up to that point in his career, when there was still an elimination game left? No excuse for his performance, but Manny used a hyperbole an you're buying it, because you don't like Jordan stans.


Not comparable. LeBron's biggest games were in the 07' finals. He had better games the 10' ECSF in the 07' and 09' finals.[/QUOTE]

[Docs Orders]

maybe warriorfan will get a reply after his 100th post today, we shall see

betting .000 at the moment though

https://media.giphy.com/media/AazZg81kM4JUs/giphy.gif

:roll::roll::roll:

[scuzzy]

maybe warriorfan will get a reply after his 100th post today, we shall see

betting .000 at the moment though

https://media.giphy.com/media/AazZg81kM4JUs/giphy.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/1d5Zn8FqmJqApu4hNU/giphy.gif

[Hey Yo]

Doesn’t change the fact that the Celtics were an ancient team two years removed of making it to the Finals. They weren’t some juggernaut at that point by any means. Bosh should just be icing on the cake.
Nobody claimed they were a juggernaut.

So if Boston was ancient yet still able to grab a 3-2 lead, I guess that means Miami wasn't a superteam and were overrated, correct?

[Hey Yo]

More from that LA Times article:


“Why should I take the shots if they’re double-teaming me, triple-teaming me, sometimes even putting four guys on me?” Jordan asked. “Didn’t we still get good shots?”

Yes, Michael.

“Well, did we hit ‘em?”

No, Michael.

“That’s the whole story,” Jordan said. “We gotta hit ‘em.”

Held to 18 points--10 on free throws--Jordan was virtually no scoring factor in the game, although he did account for more than half (nine) of Chicago’s assists.

[warriorfan]

Nobody claimed they were a juggernaut.

So if Boston was ancient yet still able to grab a 3-2 lead, I guess that means Miami wasn't a superteam and were overrated, correct?

Miami proved it wasn’t a superteam by underachieving under their talent level while only winning two championships...rather than “not one not two not three not four not five not six not seven...” That was their expectations from the fans, media, and even from LeBron himself.

[LeCroix]

maybe warriorfan will get a reply after his 100th post today, we shall see

betting .000 at the moment though

https://media.giphy.com/media/AazZg81kM4JUs/giphy.gif

no one wants him his posts are filled with a lot of anger i wish he would get a friend and be happy

[LeCroix]

Battling an ancient Celtics team (Their big 3 had a combined age of 105, were two years removed from even making the Finals) in his prime (LeBron age 27, his big 3 had a total age of 84) after he colluded with the 2nd and 4th highest per in the league. That would be like if Michael Jordan joined with Karl Malone (2nd in PER) and Magic Johnson(4th in PER) in order to beat the Knicks. Not very big.

https://media.giphy.com/media/NJRJyLEKnX2Q8/giphy.gif

[AlternativeAcc.]

no one wants him his posts are filled with a lot of anger i wish he would get a friend and be happy

Yeah, he gets abused on here but has no where else to go thus we have to deal with his spam, anger, and desperation. He does drugs and posts on here all day, rarely every getting a reply

most users have learned to ignore him. But I feel bad seeing so many posts go ignored with no end in sight. I'm glad someone finally acknowledged him today. Now he may not feel the need to spam the rest of the day

[LeCroix]

Yeah, he gets abused on here but has no where else to go thus we have to deal with his spam, anger, and desperation. He does drugs and posts on here all day, rarely every getting a reply

most users have learned to ignore him. But I feel bad seeing so many posts go ignored with no end in sight. I'm glad someone finally acknowledged him today. Now he may not feel the need to spam the rest of the day

that is a tough life to live tough pressure on his shoulders living that life. i feel for him getting abused daily on a basketball forum, just imagine how his real life is too probably the same way.

[AlternativeAcc.]

that is a tough life to live tough pressure on his shoulders living that life. i feel for him getting abused daily on a basketball forum, just imagine how his real life is too probably the same way.

He will take solace in the fact that we are discussing his life, even though we are only highlighting the misery of it. Very sad situation all around.

But with no basketball or sports going on, this stuff is bound to be discussed. It is what it is

[warriorfan]

Yeah, he gets abused on here but has no where else to go thus we have to deal with his spam, anger, and desperation. He does drugs and posts on here all day, rarely every getting a reply

most users have learned to ignore him. But I feel bad seeing so many posts go ignored with no end in sight. I'm glad someone finally acknowledged him today. Now he may not feel the need to spam the rest of the day

It’s gonna be okay little guy. Let it all out.

[Roundball_Rock]

LeBron biggest game was 2012 game 6 vs Bostown dow 3-2 in Boston

I meant to date circa 2010. Game 5 2010 was not even close to his biggest game by that point of his career. I agree with you on the biggest game of his career being G6 of the 12' ECF.


Basically MJ blaming his teammates for not making their shots, even though they were only down by 1 entering the 4th.

GOAT leadership. :bowdown:


That's why I called you out siding with the Lebron trolls in the Pippen 55Ws thread.

I was a Pippen fan long before anyone even knew who LeBron James was. People like me and 97_bulls can't change our views based on what MJ, LeBron, or Kobe fans happen to be doing at a given time. Especially when MJ stans are pushing out so much BS. If we don't correct it who will?


you hate stanning.

I don't hate stanning. Just the type of stanning MJ gets.


So for G6 you use hindsight, but not for G5?

If you are up 3-2 you have a cushion to fall back on. If you are down 2-3 there is no margin for error.


How was it his most important up to that point in his career, when there was still an elimination game left?

Teams up 3-2 win something like 80% of the time. Even if they won Game 6, they would face a Game 7 in Detroit. If they won Game 5 and stole HCA they would have Game 6 in Chicago.

[MoneyMitch23]

He was asked to distribute that game. And did. 9 assists.

Didn't work out for the Bulls, because they didn't have the scorers to take care of closing it out yet at that point. Pippen was still green, and weak. No one else could take care of the scoring load.

This wasn't a deliberate pout fest like Kobe's intentional lack of motivation in the second half of game 7 vs the Suns when Phil asked to let everyone else get shots up.

Nor was it a total quit / meltdown / locked down situation ala LeBron in mid series of the 2010 ECSF, or the 2011 Finals, or the last couples games of the 2018 Finals.

[LAL]

I was a Pippen fan long before anyone even knew who LeBron James was. People like me and 97_bulls can't change our views based on what MJ, LeBron, or Kobe fans happen to be doing at a given time. Especially when MJ stans are pushing out so much BS. If we don't correct it who will
You are a bronsexual pretending to be a pippen and kareem fan. You always sound young and stupid. And weird.

[LeCroix]

You are a bronsexual pretending to be a pippen and kareem fan. You always sound young and stupid. And weird.

but yet you have a lakers handle name as "LAL" and all you talk about is michael. are you a transgender?

[LAL]

but yet you have a lakers handle name as "LAL" and all you talk about is michael. are you a transgender?

Weirdo

[MoneyMitch23]

You are a bronsexual pretending to be a pippen and kareem fan. You always sound young and stupid. And weird.
Truth. It's obvious too. Probably another Simon, Wheels, Jeff sock account. Same way "Mamba4Life" is actually apparently a die hard Kobe fan. But just disparages MJ, Kobe, and props up LeBron passive aggressively. It's pathetic.

[Hey Yo]

Truth. It's obvious too. Probably another Simon, Wheels, Jeff sock account. Same way "Mamba4Life" is actually apparently a die hard Kobe fan. But just disparages MJ, Kobe, and props up LeBron passive aggressively. It's pathetic.
Says the Alt account who supposedly has only been here for a month.


https://media1.tenor.com/images/039e69ac298da0e0083cb37815a56362/tenor.gif?itemid=4961672

[LeCroix]

Says the Alt account who supposedly has only been here for a month.


https://media1.tenor.com/images/039e69ac298da0e0083cb37815a56362/tenor.gif?itemid=4961672

good catch, good shooting

swish

[MoneyMitch23]

Says the Alt account who supposedly has only been here for a month.


https://media1.tenor.com/images/039e69ac298da0e0083cb37815a56362/tenor.gif?itemid=4961672
You Simon accounts do the same thing :oldlol: all 900 of you. I came here due to the documentary.

[LAL]

Truth. It's obvious too. Probably another Simon, Wheels, Jeff sock account. Same way "Mamba4Life" is actually apparently a die hard Kobe fan. But just disparages MJ, Kobe, and props up LeBron passive aggressively. It's pathetic.

It is pathetic, i cringe when people born after 98 talk about Pippen

[Roundball_Rock]

He was asked to distribute that game. And did. 9 assists.


Too cute. He wasn't asked to quit. He was asked to pass the ball more.

[warriorfan]

Too cute. He wasn't asked to quit. He was asked to pass the ball more.

MJ should have faked an injury and quit like LeBron did in 2010 vs the Celtics. He even played it up by shooting free throws left handed. They did x rays and MRI’s and there was no damage found. :oldlol:

Even better that is the year LeBron quit on his team and colluded with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league.

MJ should have faked an injury, quit on his team and joined with Karl Malone(2nd in PER) and Magic Johnson(4th in PER) to come back and beat them next year.

Then he would be the GOAT.

Sources:
https://i.postimg.cc/k4XtJvrQ/3-E06-CEB8-3233-4192-96-F3-56-CD26-B17845.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/BnXH3wZs/3-F92-D41-C-B82-C-44-E4-8-DAD-BA38148888-E9.jpg

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/lebron-james-mysterious-elbow-injury/

[Roundball_Rock]

but yet you have a lakers handle name as "LAL" and all you talk about is michael. are you a transgender?

It is funny he thinks I am "claiming to be a Kareem fan." I have never done so. I know it is hard for a MJ stan like LOL to understand, but you can have a player as GOAT without being a fan of theirs...

[LeCroix]

It is funny he thinks I am "claiming to be a Kareem fan." I have never done so. I know it is hard for a MJ stan like LOL to understand, but you can have a player as GOAT without being a fan of theirs...

Very true. I hold up Isiah Thomas but I don't love them.

He is a fake fan anyway because what real 'la laker' fan is going to be mad if you gave Kareem props? So dumb and fake of him, he did not think it thru

[Turbo Slayer]

MJ should have faked an injury and quit like LeBron did in 2010 vs the Celtics. He even played it up by shooting free throws left handed. They did x rays and MRI’s and there was no damage found. :oldlol:

Even better that is the year LeBron quit on his team and colluded with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league.

MJ should have faked an injury, quit on his team and joined with Karl Malone(2nd in PER) and Magic Johnson(4th in PER) to come back and beat them next year.

Then he would be the GOAT.

Sources:
https://i.postimg.cc/k4XtJvrQ/3-E06-CEB8-3233-4192-96-F3-56-CD26-B17845.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/BnXH3wZs/3-F92-D41-C-B82-C-44-E4-8-DAD-BA38148888-E9.jpg

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/lebron-james-mysterious-elbow-injury/ What does off the court stuff have to do with on the court stuff? Nothing related.

1. LeBron was playing on a mediocore team back in 2010. Honestly, it is a miracle that LeBron got the Cavs 66 and 61 wins.

2. What was LeBron's best teammate in that series. Name one.

3. Of course you are going to blame LeBron for creating a better situation for his self. LeBron was drafted into a 17 win team that had a terrible front office. The Cavs had no history of winning too.

Other legends were fortunate enough to have great supporting casts. LeBron didn't in his first Cleveland stint.

P.S: PER is a flawed way of ranking players.

[Roundball_Rock]

He is a fake fan anyway because what real 'la laker' fan is going to be mad if you gave Kareem props? So dumb and fake of him, he did not think it thru

Good point. Maybe projecting his being a fake fan onto others? :lol

[warriorfan]

What does off the court stuff have to do with on the court stuff? Nothing related.

1. LeBron was playing on a mediocore team back in 2010. Honestly, it is a miracle that LeBron got the Cavs 66 and 61 wins.

2. What was LeBron's best teammate in that series. Name one.

3. Of course you are going to blame LeBron for creating a better situation for his self. LeBron was drafted into a 17 win team that had a terrible front office. The Cavs had no history of winning too.

Other legends were fortunate enough to have great supporting casts. LeBron didn't in his first Cleveland stint.

P.S: PER is a flawed way of ranking players.

I was comparing him to young Michael, whom we were talking about in this thread, the op said he quit when he did not. I showed him an example of quitting, LeBron in 2010

Both Jordan and LeBron are 25 years old at this point of their career and on their original teams. They both have similar talented casts. Mo Williams at this point is probably better than anyone on the Bulls not named Michael Jordan, keep in mind this is second year Scottie Pippen we are talking about. Jordan stayed with his team and lit a fire under them and worked out even harder in the next off season. What did LeBron do? He literally faked an elbow injury, abandoned his team to join up with the two other best players in his conference. I don’t know if you are old enough to remember 2010 but LeBron legit faked an elbow injury and quit on his team. He tried to use it as an excuse and went as far as shooting free throws left handed to make a spectacle out of the whole thing. It was embarrassing.

Mike stayed with his team and continued to get better and improve chemistry, LeBron faked an injury and took his talents to south beach to join the second best player in the league, whom already had won a championship and Finals MVP by himself. Then he talked a lot of shit saying he was going to win 7 plus championships and “it was going to be easy”. He’s a quitter, a clown, a faker. All this is well documented and 100% accurate. Look it up.

[RRR3]

You Simon accounts do the same thing :oldlol: all 900 of you. I came here due to the documentary.
No you made this alt because your SamuraiSwish account got banned for you being a racist piece of shit lmao. You're not fooling anyone, "coach".

[Roundball_Rock]

No you made this alt because your SamuraiSwish account got banned for you being a racist piece of shit lmao. You're not fooling anyone, "coach".

It is funny how obvious he is. He should accept his well-deserved ban like a man.

[LAL]

It is funny he thinks I am "claiming to be a Kareem fan." I have never done so. I know it is hard for a MJ stan like LOL to understand, but you can have a player as GOAT without being a fan of theirs...

KaReeM iS mY goAT bUt LeBRaN iS ThE GoaT oF HIs GeNeRaTioN. IMa PiPpeN FaN siNCe EaRlY 91. :oldlol: :oldlol: I hAtE MJ, OveRRaTed, NeeDEd PiPpeN, lEBron NeVer HAd a piPPen! ROdmAN iS sO grEAt at BasKEtbALl! MJ wAS LuCkY! POor LeBRaN! iM noT a LeBrOn FaN!

[Overdrive]

I was a Pippen fan long before anyone even knew who LeBron James was. People like me and 97_bulls can't change our views based on what MJ, LeBron, or Kobe fans happen to be doing at a given time. Especially when MJ stans are pushing out so much BS. If we don't correct it who will?

I don't hate stanning. Just the type of stanning MJ gets.


You quoted a guy who only talks Jordan to tear him down in order to prop up Lebron. That's the only thing he does. He then proceeded to call me out bringing up Lebron, when his only intention was to call Jordan's quitjob - he just found out some days ago - the worst ever in attempt to void Lebron's blunders and you agreed with the guy. How is that any better than anything Jordan stans do? Basketball fans will respect all the greats, even if their team went up against them.

How is that defendable if you're a reasonable poster?

[Roundball_Rock]

I quote all stripes of posters, even 3ball.

[Overdrive]

It is funny he thinks I am "claiming to be a Kareem fan." I have never done so. I know it is hard for a MJ stan like LOL to understand, but you can have a player as GOAT without being a fan of theirs...

My stance on Jordan. I don't like him, but I think he's the runaway GOAT. I'm sure I could form arguments for my fav players against him, but why should I? There's no gain doing that.

[LeCroix]

pistions defensive too much,and jordan being a ball hog didnt help:basketball

Jerdan had more trouble then ESPN wants us to find and know

[LeCroix]

Is this Michaels migraine game?

[Roundball_Rock]

Is this Michaels migraine game?

It should be but not covered in the doc and you literally never hear MJ fans mention it.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Mike doesn't get a pass here.

People trying to say it wasn't like Kobe quitting, or Lebron in 2010/2011. Yeah... quit bullshitting :oldlol:

It was odd then to people who watched like it is now reading the box score.

[LeCroix]

Mike doesn't get a pass here.

People trying to say it wasn't like Kobe quitting, or Lebron in 2010/2011. Yeah... quit bullshitting :oldlol:

It was odd then to people who watched like it is now reading the box score.
This quit game is worse even


8 fga in 46 min ... !? ....

Show me worse

[LeCroix]

show me worse please

8 fga in 46 min


https://i.ibb.co/hFdQvFx/gamble-goat.png

[Shooter]

show me worse please

8 fga in 46 min


https://i.ibb.co/hFdQvFx/gamble-goat.png

Have we found a bigger quit yet?

[Shooter]

Probably the biggest disappearance act in NBA history :oldlol:

Love how the stans swept this under the rug and acted like this never happened

+1

[Bronbron23]

no excuse for this but everyone is entitled to play out of character once in awhile, Mj and bron included. Tbh this is almost worse than some of brons tank jobs because mj had more tools to score in these situations. Bron especially earlier in his career didnt have the mid range and post game to score like mj so in a tight physical half court game its more understandable why bron would take less shots.

[Roundball_Rock]

What makes it bad is the context: Doug Collins asked him to pass more (23 FGA, 4 APG in the first four games) and MJ's response was to stop shooting altogether. I don't know if it is still up but there is a YT video of MJ passing up open shots in that game. If the Bulls go up 3-2, maybe 3ball wouldn't be complaining about losing that series every day.

[HoopsNY]

He was asked to distribute that game. And did. 9 assists.

Didn't work out for the Bulls, because they didn't have the scorers to take care of closing it out yet at that point. Pippen was still green, and weak. No one else could take care of the scoring load.

This wasn't a deliberate pout fest like Kobe's intentional lack of motivation in the second half of game 7 vs the Suns when Phil asked to let everyone else get shots up.

Nor was it a total quit / meltdown / locked down situation ala LeBron in mid series of the 2010 ECSF, or the 2011 Finals, or the last couples games of the 2018 Finals.

That's one way of looking at it. However, in the 4th quarter, the team needed him to provide that necessary scoring and he didn't. Therefore, Jordan deserves that blame at the very least.

[HoopsNY]

What makes it bad is the context: Doug Collins asked him to pass more (23 FGA, 4 APG in the first four games) and MJ's response was to stop shooting altogether. I don't know if it is still up but there is a YT video of MJ passing up open shots in that game. If the Bulls go up 3-2, maybe 3ball wouldn't be complaining about losing that series every day.

Yea. It was a spiteful response from MJ (at least it seemed that way) and decades later, Kobe followed suit. Both deserved to be criticized for it.

[Bronbron23]

Yea. It was a spiteful response from MJ (at least it seemed that way) and decades later, Kobe followed suit. Both deserved to be criticized for it.

agreed but most fans on here have a hard time being honest and criticizing their guy for some weird reason. Ive never understood the loyalty people show to someone theyve never met and quite frankly dosnt give 2 shits about them.

[HoopsNY]

agreed but most fans on here have a hard time being honest and criticizing their guy for some weird reason. Ive never understood the loyalty people show to someone theyve never met and quite frankly dosnt give 2 shits about them.

It's more about being proven wrong than anything else. When you uphold a view for so long and then something comes along that challenges it, it's hard to let it go. We've all experienced that, myself included. It's the way life works.

[Roundball_Rock]

He obviously did nothing like that in his career outside of that game but it is annoying to see 3ball post about that series each day without any accountability for MJ's role.

[Hey Yo]

That's one way of looking at it. However, in the 4th quarter, the team needed him to provide that necessary scoring and he didn't. Therefore, Jordan deserves that blame at the very least.

He took 1fga in the 4th quarter and didnt drive to the basket one single time in the 46mins he played.

The full game ( without commercials) is available on YT right now.

Edit: he may have taken 2fga in the 4th. Definitely wasn't more than 2

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Well I guess it does go with the "couldn't play team basketball until Phil Jackson" narrative. Collins complained he wasn't playing team basketball but could never get it out of him. Phil was able to get Jordan to trust his teammates more. This may also be another reason why Pippen didn't become a star until Phil came along, Jordan just didn't trust him.

[Roundball_Rock]

Well I guess it does go with the "couldn't play team basketball until Phil Jackson" narrative. Collins complained he wasn't playing team basketball but could never get it out of him. Phil was able to get Jordan to trust his teammates more. This may also be another reason why Pippen didn't become a star until Phil came along, Jordan just didn't trust him.

Yeah, Collins was critical of MJ's ball hogging and at one point identified him as the problem in preventing them from running, like he wanted them to do because "he won't let go of the ball."

MJ was taking 22 FGA in the 89' PO, Pippen/Grant 19 combined. As a comparison, when they won in 91' in the PO that ratio was MJ 22 and Pippen/Grant 26, so a shift from -3 to +4.

Pippen was a second year player. The myth is that all these HOF players were all-stars from year 1 but just look at his contemporaries (Stockton wasn't even a starter until his 4th year and wasn't an all-star until his 5th). He became an all-star by his third year, a fast progression.

His 1989 and 1990 numbers look more different than his play actually was because he wasn't a starter until 1/3 through the 89' season (the Bulls, then 13-11, lost his first game started to fall to 13-12 but then won 8 of their next 10).

1989 Pippen as a starter: 16/7/4 53% TS (56 of 73 games)
1990 Pippen full season: 17/7/5 53% TS

Not the light years change the narrative suggests. The one notable change is the increased playmaking role (backed up by per 36, where he went from 3.8 to 5.1).

His PO numbers weren't as good as 90' but that is partly because he played 1 minute in Game 6 of the ECF and that technically counts as a "game played" and reduces his average. He was 14/8/4 on 46% FG in full games. Not the same as 19/7/6 on 50% but when you are getting 11 FGA (versus 14 in 90') you aren't going to post monster numbers.

[Lebron23]

What makes it bad is the context: Doug Collins asked him to pass more (23 FGA, 4 APG in the first four games) and MJ's response was to stop shooting altogether. I don't know if it is still up but there is a YT video of MJ passing up open shots in that game. If the Bulls go up 3-2, maybe 3ball wouldn't be complaining about losing that series every day.

Glad the bulls hired phil jackson and tex winter as their coach and assistant coach. The bulls started winning when they had better ball movements.

[FromDowntown]

show me worse please

8 fga in 46 min


https://i.ibb.co/hFdQvFx/gamble-goat.png

Guys? Have we found a bigger quit job than this?

8 shots in 46 minutes in a series tied 2-2 decisive game 5?
Oh and he lost the series too.

[Docs Orders]

Pathetic

[3ball]

Guys? Have we found a bigger quit job than this?

8 shots in 46 minutes in a series tied 2-2 decisive game 5?
Oh and he lost the series too.

Compare to the 15' Finals, when Lebron similarly quit mid-series because he was exhausted from having no 2nd option and no help

If you gave 89' MJ or 15' Lebron a normal 2nd option to take a load off, they wouldn't get tired and win the series easily

It's funny because MJ wins in 89' with anyone EXCEPT pippen's 9 on 40%, so MJ didn't need Pippen or Phil to win in 89' (Phil wasn't there yet)

[Docs Orders]

Compare to the 15' Finals, when Lebron similarly quit mid-series because he was exhausted from having no 2nd option and no help

If you gave 89' MJ or 15' Lebron a normal 2nd option to take a load off, they wouldn't get tired and win the series easily

It's funny because MJ wins in 89' with anyone. EXCEPT pippen's 9.7 on 40%, so MJ didn't need Pippen or Phil to win in 89' (Phil wasn't there yet)

So then why did Jordan lose with an all-star teammate in 1990 and 1995?

What’s the excuse?

[3ball]

So then why did Jordan lose with an all-star teammate in 1990 and 1995?

What’s the excuse?

I'll tell you the excuse if you tell me why lebron lost with an all-star in 05' and 09'... And why he lost with TWO all-stars in 11', 14', and 17'

[Docs Orders]

I'll tell you the excuse if you tell me why lebron lost with an all-star in 05' and 09'... And why he lost with TWO all-stars in 11', 14', and 17'

This thread isn’t about LeBron. Can you make a case defending Jordan without bringing up LeBron?

[Whoah10115]

Why are you bumping these random threads? Either 3ball going crazy or people who literally don't know responding.

[FromDowntown]

Compare to the 15' Finals, when Lebron similarly quit mid-series because he was exhausted from having no 2nd option and no help

If you gave 89' MJ or 15' Lebron a normal 2nd option to take a load off, they wouldn't get tired and win the series easily

It's funny because MJ wins in 89' with anyone EXCEPT pippen's 9 on 40%, so MJ didn't need Pippen or Phil to win in 89' (Phil wasn't there yet)

Jordan took 8 shots in 46 minutes played

Which 2015 Finals Lebron game are you talking about? Thanks

He only took under 33 shots one time and that was still 22 attempts.

NOT 8 in 46 minutes like your Fraud :lol

[FromDowntown]

Why are you bumping these random threads? Either 3ball going crazy or people who literally don't know responding.

Why are you so hurt that MJ had the biggest quit job? Respond to the content and fight through your tears.

[Roundball_Rock]

This thread isn’t about LeBron. Can you make a case defending Jordan without bringing up LeBron?

Nope. He is obsessed with two SF's/point forwards who make him insecure: LeBron and Pippen.

[PETRO2222]

Check this out :) :cheers:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGABhfi69yc

[FromDowntown]

Check this out :) :cheers:


Why did he quit in game 5 ecf Petro?

[kawhileonard2]

Pivotal game 5 with HCA with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and leading scorer, Lebron lays egg

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201005110CLE.html

[PETRO2222]

Why did he quit in game 5 ecf Petro?

I think he didnt quit, that man never quits, from early age till the end of his career, not even now.

For me Jordan is almost non-human in positive way.

He was young back then, and stubborn in my opinion, very nervous when he wouldn't be able to finish everything on his own.

When he learned to trust his teammates in 1991, even Bad Boys said they had no chance what so ever against him, and no one would. I think I never saw in history of any sports such a FANATIC as Jordan was/is.

In the end, you saw everything in The last dance.

[SATAN]

The propaganda, yes we did.

[TheCorporation]

Pivotal game 5 with HCA with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and leading scorer, Lebron lays egg

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201005110CLE.html

Assessing link document....Searching for FGA....14.

Almost double what MJ did :lol

Okay moving on to minutes played...42 :lol


So MJ took 8 shots in 46 mins and you pointed out LBJ taking 14 shots in 42 minutes? :roll:

https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/www-prod-wp-offload-s3/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/20180424170428/PLEASE-TRY-AGAIN.png

[TheCorporation]

I think he didnt quit, that man never quits, from early age till the end of his career, not even now.

For me Jordan is almost non-human in positive way.

He was young back then, and stubborn in my opinion, very nervous when he wouldn't be able to finish everything on his own.

When he learned to trust his teammates in 1991, even Bad Boys said they had no chance what so ever against him, and no one would. I think I never saw in history of any sports such a FANATIC as Jordan was/is.

In the end, you saw everything in The last dance.

He took 8 shots in 46 minutes played. Wake up.

[TheCorporation]

Pivotal game 5 with HCA with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and leading scorer, Lebron lays egg

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201005110CLE.html

Assessing part II.

# of players that took more FGA than LeBron in this game
None

# of players that took more FGA than MJ in his quit game
2
Craig Hodges and Bill Cartwright

[RoseCity07]

Didn't you know? His will to win didn't kick in until Bird and Magic retired.

[TheCorporation]

Didn't you know? His will to win didn't kick in until Bird and Magic retired.

:lol :lol :lol

Big facts

[Roundball_Rock]

I think he didnt quit, that man never quits, from early age till the end of his career, not even now.

For me Jordan is almost non-human in positive way.

He was young back then, and stubborn in my opinion, very nervous when he wouldn't be able to finish everything on his own.

When he learned to trust his teammates in 1991, even Bad Boys said they had no chance what so ever against him, and no one would. I think I never saw in history of any sports such a FANATIC as Jordan was/is.

In the end, you saw everything in The last dance.

We didn't see this in the Jordan documentary but they made sure to include stuff to make other players look bad in the documentary.

It's known Jordan was pouting because Collins asked him to stop ball hogging. Since it is MJ, it gets erased from the narrative but there is still reporting from the time as well as the obvious (when does Jordan ever take 8 shots? :lol ) so it can't be completely erased among hardcore fans.

There apparently is a YouTube video of Jordan passing up easy shots in that game. I haven't seen it but have heard it referenced here.

[GimmeThat]

it's sad that the footage of Jordan being out there telling others that depression is a man made disease is rare

but then sadness being a women made disease for how there are also woman that are more canibalistic than omnivores is also a rare known fact

[FromDowntown]

I think he didnt quit, that man never quits, from early age till the end of his career, not even now.

For me Jordan is almost non-human in positive way.

He was young back then, and stubborn in my opinion, very nervous when he wouldn't be able to finish everything on his own.

When he learned to trust his teammates in 1991, even Bad Boys said they had no chance what so ever against him, and no one would. I think I never saw in history of any sports such a FANATIC as Jordan was/is.

In the end, you saw everything in The last dance.

But this game he was terrible, no?

[Shooter]

Didn't you know? His will to win didn't kick in until Bird and Magic retired.

:lebronamazed:

[And1AllDay]

Didn't you know? His will to win didn't kick in until Bird and Magic retired.

yikes

[Hey Yo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpxEIdOmKXE&t=90s

[Shooter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpxEIdOmKXE&t=90s

I can't believe it. This guy quit four times

1989
1994
1999
2004

[Shooter]

Headline for LA times story about game 5

Working More Magic, Jordan Disappears as Bulls Lose to Pistons

"Yes, almost anybody might have expected the Detroit Pistons to be successful Wednesday night on their home court, to take a 3-2 advantage over the Chicago Bulls in their ferocious match to see who fights the Lakers for the National Basketball Assn. championship.

Yes, somebody might have even foreseen Vinnie (Microwave) Johnson coming off the bench to score 16 of his 22 points for Detroit in the fourth quarter, breaking open a close game.

However, could anybody have anticipated, before Detroit’s 94-85 victory over Chicago in Game 5 of the Eastern Conference finals, that:

Chicago’s Michael Jordan would take only eight shots in 46 minutes?

Craig Hodges would lead Chicago in shots and points?

Bill Laimbeer would be benched by Detroit the entire fourth quarter?

Detroit’s Isiah Thomas and Mark Aguirre would be benched almost the entire fourth quarter?

Detroit’s starting five would combine in the fourth quarter for three points?

Brad Sellers would play 22 minutes for Chicago after not playing in the past three games--and take one less shot than Jordan?

No wonder it was suggested that the Bulls turned Jordan into a $2.5-million-a-year decoy.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-06-01-sp-1414-story.html

There'e a lot more in the link. Basically MJ blaming his teammates for not making their shots, even though they were only down by 1 entering the 4th.

Jesus. What a messy bloodbath. Jordan is pitiful.

[DABIGSALSISHA]

Aren't GOATS" supposed to play some defense?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TgEJeWCB1iQ/hqdefault.jpg
https://www.theitem.com/uploads/original/20190218-212124-SPT_GIANNIS_70206.jpg
https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/tucson.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/0/40/040413a4-76e6-11eb-b56e-7ff32269d390/6036c31c63f8b.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C889

[Shooter]

Didn't you know? His will to win didn't kick in until Bird and Magic retired.

Yikes :lol

[Shooter]

Is this Michaels migraine game?

:lebronamazed:

[DABIGSALSISHA]

Obviously, the winningest player in the history of the game also has to be the GOAT. Michael Jeffrey Jordan, the one and only, the man that saved basketball. God himself, the best player ever.

Jordan was the most dominant player ever. He could do it all in both sides of the hardwood, and there’s never going to be someone like him. Throughout his career, he won 6 NBA Championships, 6 Finals MVPs, 5 MVPs, 1 Defensive Player of the Year, the Rookie of the Year Award and 3 All-Star MVPs.

:lebroncry:

[Shooter]

Obviously, the winningest player in the history of the game also has to be the GOAT. Michael Jeffrey Jordan, the one and only, the man that saved basketball. God himself, the best player ever.

Jordan was the most dominant player ever. He could do it all in both sides of the hardwood, and there’s never going to be someone like him. Throughout his career, he won 6 NBA Championships, 6 Finals MVPs, 5 MVPs, 1 Defensive Player of the Year, the Rookie of the Year Award and 3 All-Star MVPs.

:lebroncry:

Imagine quitting when the series is 2-2

Imagine taking 8 shots in 46 minutes of play

Yikes

[RogueBorg]

Who can give me more info on this?
1989 ecf and Michael plays 46 min and takes 8 shots scores 18 in a loss. This decises series I think? Did he give up?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198905310DET.html

Yet his ORTG was a 127, was 10-11 at the line and managed to dish out 11 assists with Pippen only scoring 7 points with an ORTG of a pathetic 85. OP looks dumb.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FavorableSoulfulCardinal-max-1mb.gif

[bullettooth]

Probably the biggest disappearance act in NBA history :oldlol:

This guy from 2011 would like to say something...

https://i.postimg.cc/26YGPr4c/frozen1.jpg

[Hey Yo]

Bulls were down by 1 going into the 4th and MJ still refused to shoot the ball.

Pathetic...

[paksat]

Great points. It is pretty obvious what he did but the media is so busy deifying him this isn't even mentioned anymore. Zero about it in the doc. He could have said "F it, I am taking 30 shots anyway" but we saw a similar scenario with Kobe (in a Game 7--so a guy with the same "will to win" and "killer instinct" stories quit in a Game 7). The explanation we have gotten about Kobe was it was to protest the weakness of the roster he had around him. Perhaps that was part of MJ's motivation?

It should be noted Collins was fired after that season, despite the Bulls going farther than they ever did before.

The lowest number of shots MJ ever took in a playoff game is 8 in this game. The next closest are 14 in two blowouts.

There's your answer right there, collins was fired

he told mj to pass the ball more

[BigShotBob]

There's your answer right there, collins was fired

he told mj to pass the ball more

They weren't alive when it happened. They have no idea.

[DoctorP]

probably why the coach was fired

[Bronbron23]

No excuse for it and mj should be criticized for it. It happens to all great players though. Some more than others. Bron stans know this better than anyone

[And1AllDay]

Bulls were down by 1 going into the 4th and MJ still refused to shoot the ball.

Pathetic...

what a quitter

pippen really rescued this head case from a allen iverson trajectory type of career success wow

no pip no chip

[And1AllDay]

No excuse for it and mj should be criticized for it. It happens to all great players though. Some more than others. Bron stans know this better than anyone

:oldlol: show me when bran took 8 shots in 46 minutes of play and 2 guys on his team shot more then him and he lost a series tied up?

ill waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait

[Bronbron23]

:oldlol: show me when bran took 8 shots in 46 minutes of play and 2 guys on his team shot more then him and he lost a series tied up?

ill waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait

Well i can't show that exact scenario but i can do one better. Mj in that game still got to the line a bit and finished the game with 18 pts and 9 assists on 50% shooting. Not amazing but trash either.

In the 2011 finals up 2-1 and a chance to step on the mavs throat lebron took 11 shots and scored 8 pts on 27% fg 0% 3pt and 50% ft. He also has had a few less assists.

Whats better? 18/9 on 50% or 8/7 on 27%

[And1AllDay]

Well i can't show that exact scenario but i can do one better. Mj in that game still got to the line a bit and finished the game with 18 pts and 9 assists on 50% shooting. Not amazing but trash either.

In the 2011 finals up 2-1 and a chance to step on the mavs throat lebron took 11 shots and scored 8 pts on 27% fg 0% 3pt and 50% ft. He also has had a few less assists.

Whats better? 18/9 on 50% or 8/7 on 27%

mike took 8 shots bro

:oldlol: its over

[Bronbron23]

:oldlol: show me when bran took 8 shots in 46 minutes of play and 2 guys on his team shot more then him and he lost a series tied up?

ill waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait

Oh and wade and bosh each pretty much shot twice as many shots than bron. That good enough for you:facepalm

[BigShotBob]

Well i can't show that exact scenario but i can do one better. Mj in that game still got to the line a bit and finished the game with 18 pts and 9 assists on 50% shooting. Not amazing but trash either.

In the 2011 finals up 2-1 and a chance to step on the mavs throat lebron took 11 shots and scored 8 pts on 27% fg 0% 3pt and 50% ft. He also has had a few less assists.

Whats better? 18/9 on 50% or 8/7 on 27%

Its over

[And1AllDay]

Oh and wade and bosh each pretty much shot twice as many shots than bron. That good enough for you:facepalm

and bran got flack for that loss right? did mike get flack for this series? lets be honest and think about it

this is mikes 2011

[Bronbron23]

mike took 8 shots bro

:oldlol: its over

Exactly didn't think you'd answer the question. Imagine scoring 8 pts on 27% shooting on a close game when you have a chance to ice the series but instead you end up losing. This was way worse than mj's game. 18/9 50%>8/7 27%. As a bron stan stat whore you can't even argue it. That’s what you call checkmate baby boi:rockon:

[And1AllDay]

Exactly didn't think you'd answer the question. Imagine scoring 8 pts on 27% shooting on a close game when you have a chance to ice the series but instead you end up losing. This was way worse than mj's game. 18/9 50%>8/7 27%. As a bron stan stat whore you can't even argue it. That’s what you call checkmate baby boi:rockon:

and bran got flack for that loss right? did mike get flack for this series? lets be honest and think about it

this is mikes 2011

[Bronbron23]

and bran got flack for that loss right? did mike get flack for this series? lets be honest and think about it

this is mikes 2011

No he didn't but he should have as i already said but again not as much as bron. 18/9 on 50% shooting isn't that bad. It's not great but it's not terrible. How come when bron is unselfish he's great but when mj is unselfish and getting others involved he's trash?

[dankok8]

If you actually watch that game, it wasn't a passive performance. MJ simply played smart in response to being constantly swarmed and pass to open teammates who couldn't make the Pistons pay.

[Bronbron23]

If you actually watch that game, it wasn't a passive performance. MJ simply played smart in response to being constantly swarmed and pass to open teammates who couldn't make the Pistons pay.

Yeah it's a weird criticism coming from bron stans because he actually played more like bron that game and faced more doubles than bron ever has.

[TheCorporation]

Yeah it's a weird criticism coming from bron stans because he actually played more like bron that game and faced more doubles than bron ever has.

8 FGA is pitiful. Period.

NOBODY plays like LeBron. Next.

[theman93]

8 FGA is pitiful. Period.

NOBODY plays like LeBron. Next.

What do you make of this?

http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmkjpwbjh01qh9wcto1_500.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3w_rSfW0AAPoYk.jpg

[Spurs m8]

Is this the best they got?

We only gotta go back to literally yesterday for a textbook LeGoesMissingWhenItMatters

[Airupthere]

This guy from 2011 would like to say something...

https://i.postimg.cc/26YGPr4c/frozen1.jpg

:roll:

[Hey Yo]

If you actually watch that game, it wasn't a passive performance. MJ simply played smart in response to being constantly swarmed and pass to open teammates who couldn't make the Pistons pay.

Bullshit..... even the announcers were saying "what's wrong with Michael, why isnt he shooting"

He wasn't constantly swarmed. He avg. like 24FGA up until that game. The defense wasn't playing him any different than they had the prior 4gms.

Announcers wouldn't have wondered outloud what was wrong, if MJ was getting swarmed by the defense.

MJ's teammates couldn't make Detriot pay, but were only down 1 going into the 4th. And that's with Jordan only taking like 5fga through 3

[TheCorporation]

Bullshit..... even the announcers were saying "what's wrong with Michael, why isnt he shooting"

He wasn't constantly swarmed. He avg. like 24FGA up until that game. The defense wasn't playing him any different than they had the prior 4gms.

Announcers wouldn't have wondered outloud what was wrong, if MJ was getting swarmed by the defense.

MJ's teammates couldn't make Detriot pay, but were only down 1 going into the 4th. And that's with Jordan only taking like 5fga through 3

Ether

[Bronbron23]

8 FGA is pitiful. Period.

NOBODY plays like LeBron. Next.

Nah 18 points on 8 fga on 50% fg isn't pitiful but it definitely wasn't enough to get it done. 8 pts on 11 fga on 27% is pitiful though and you absolutely know it.

[And1AllDay]

Nah 18 points on 8 fga on 50% fg isn't pitiful but it definitely wasn't enough to get it done. 8 pts on 11 fga on 27% is pitiful though and you absolutely know it.

mike had 8 fga and was scared in the 4th

this is mikes 2011

bran had his 2011
mike has his 1989

[Bawkish]

mike had 8 fga and was scared in the 4th

this is mikes 2011

bran had his 2011
mike has his 1989

did you just compare bran's 2011 to MJ's 1989 in terms of choking? :banghead:

One carried the whole team in his shoulders while the other one got trampled under the mud

[theman93]

mike had 8 fga and was scared in the 4th

this is mikes 2011

bran had his 2011
mike has his 1989

Only retards think 1 bad game is equivalent to playing bad for an entire series.

[dankok8]

bran had his 2011
mike has his 1989

Ok trollski...

Lebron 2011 Finals: 17.8 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 6.8 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.5 bpg on 54.1 %TS (+0.0 rTS) with 4.0 topg; 13.7 GmSc

Jordan 1989 ECF: 29.7 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 6.5 apg, 2.0 spg, 0.5 bpg on 56.1 %TS (+2.4 rTS) with 3.7 topg; 21.4 GmSc

[Shooter]

Bullshit..... even the announcers were saying "what's wrong with Michael, why isnt he shooting"

He wasn't constantly swarmed. He avg. like 24FGA up until that game. The defense wasn't playing him any different than they had the prior 4gms.

Announcers wouldn't have wondered outloud what was wrong, if MJ was getting swarmed by the defense.

MJ's teammates couldn't make Detriot pay, but were only down 1 going into the 4th. And that's with Jordan only taking like 5fga through 3

LOCK

:dancin

IT

:lebronamazed:

UP

:hammertime::djparty

[FireDavidKahn]

MJ had it easy living in an age without social media and cameras everywhere.

Dude would have killed himself with how insecure he is.

[Manny98]

Jordan stans absolutely fuming in this thread :lol

[Bronbron23]

Jordan stans absolutely fuming in this thread :lol

Not really if anything i think this thread made mj look much better than i originally thought that game. I never realized mj had 18 and 9 on 50% that game. That's actually not that bad and nowhere near brons 9/7 on 27% shooting game 4 in 11 finals.

This was just a thread backfire tbh

[Shooter]

Jordan stans absolutely fuming in this thread :lol

They are BIGLY shook :lol :lol

[paksat]

The book the jordan rules states what happened. Jordan did it to prove a point, just lol at the thought that he was scares