How good was Terry Cummings?

[StrongLurk]

He was a 21/9 player for 10 years until he had a bad knee injury in a pick up game. After that injury he wasn't even close to the player he used to be and was strictly a bench/role player after putting up 7-8ppg. I vaguely remember him in the late 90's as just another average guy in the NBA.

Hell his first time making the playoffs in his third season, he put up 27.5/8.8/2.5 on 58% shooting over 8 games (and was the only player to ever outscore MJ in a playoff series, although it was rookie MJ).

[3ball]

MJ wins the 88-90 rings with rookie Cummings instead of Pippen

A 3-peat with rookie Cummings is guaranteed

MJ didn't need pip to win... He only needed an 18 ppg sidekick and about the #7 team defense. Rookie Cummings was overkill

[Whoah10115]

Impressive.

[3ball]

MJ wins the 88-90 rings with rookie Cummings instead of Pippen

A 3-peat with rookie Cummings is guaranteed

MJ didn't need pip to win... He only needed an 18 ppg sidekick and about the #7 team defense. Rookie Cummings was overkill

And it's funny because if rookie Cummings wins the 88-90 titles with MJ, then he would've been better than Pippen in HS, college, draft and now a 3-ring headstart as a young pro - there's no way Pippen overcomes that to still be ranked higher all-time.. Pippen simply won the "play with MJ" lottery, which inflates his weak production

This example can be done with any immediate impact player, aka Dominique, Worthy, or Derrick Coleman, who were all better than Pippen

[Xiao Yao You]

And it's funny because if rookie Cummings wins the 88-90 titles with MJ, then he would've been better than Pippen in HS, college, draft and now a 3-ring headstart as a young pro - there's no way Pippen overcomes that to still be ranked higher all-time.. Pippen simply won the "play with MJ" lottery, which inflates his weak production

This example can be done with any immediate impact player, aka Dominique, Worthy, or Derrick Coleman, who were all better than Pippen

Might have an argument with Cummings but if you wanted to win titles Wilkens and Coleman weren't who you wanted on your team. Coleman was cancer and Wilkens was a volume scorer

[3ball]

Might have an argument with Cummings but if you wanted to win titles Wilkens and Coleman weren't who you wanted on your team. Coleman was cancer and Wilkens was a volume scorer

Rookie Xavier McDaniel 1987 WCF vs Lakers.... 25/9/4 on 50%
Rookie Scottie Pippen... 1989 ECF vs. Pistons..... 9/5/4 on 40%


Again, if rookie X-man wins the 89-90' titles with MJ, then he would've been better than Pippen in HS, college, draft and now a 2-ring headstart as a young pro - there's no way Pippen overcomes that to still be ranked higher all-time.. Pippen simply won the "play with MJ" lottery, which inflates his weak production

This example can be done with any immediate impact player, aka Dominique, Worthy, or Derrick Coleman, who were all better than Pippen

[Xiao Yao You]

Rookie Xavier McDaniel 1987 WCF vs Lakers.... 25/9/4 on 50%
Rookie Scottie Pippen... 1989 ECF vs. Pistons..... 9/5/4 on 40%


Again, if rookie X-man wins the 89-90' titles with MJ, then he would've been better than Pippen in HS, college, draft and now a 2-ring headstart as a young pro - there's no way Pippen overcomes that to still be ranked higher all-time.. Pippen simply won the "play with MJ" lottery, which inflates his weak production

This example can be done with any immediate impact player, aka Dominique, Worthy, or Derrick Coleman, who were all better than Pippen

Pippen was lucky. Bulls already had Grant and Oakley. They need Xavier too?

I think Pippen was highly overrated and Dominique, Worthy and Coleman were probably more talented. I wouldn't have wanted them over Pippen though. Wouldn't have wanted Wilkens and Coleman period

[3ball]

Pippen was lucky. Bulls already had Grant and Oakley. They need Xavier too?

I think Pippen was highly overrated and Dominique, Worthy and Coleman were probably more talented. I wouldn't have wanted them over Pippen though. Wouldn't have wanted Wilkens and Coleman period

Wilkins and Coleman play totally different with Jordan.. they'd be fundamentally-sound because that's what MJ was, and that's what MJ wanted for all teammates

[Xiao Yao You]

Wilkins and Coleman play totally different with Jordan.. they'd be fundamentally-sound because that's what MJ was, and that's what MJ wanted for all teammates

Coleman would have never lasted with MJ. MJ would have asked more of him than he ever wanted to give. He would have wanted Wilkens to defend. Good luck!

[3ball]

Coleman would have never lasted with MJ. MJ would have asked more of him than he ever wanted to give. He would have wanted Wilkens to defend. Good luck!

^^^ Results-oriented - you're forgetting that Pippen was nothing without MJ or the triangle.. jordan got him in line

[Xiao Yao You]

^^^ Results-oriented - you're forgetting that Pippen was nothing without MJ or the triangle.. jordan got him in line

Not forgetting anything. Coleman should have been an all time great. He was happy coasting to 20 and 10 and cashing his check. Not a guy you're winning championships with

[Lebron23]

The New Orlean's version of David West.

[bizil]

The New Orlean's version of David West.

BINGO!!! That's a very apt comparison right there! Their games were very similar. Two PF's who actually played some SF in their careers at times. Very strong PF's who were quicker than many pure bigger PF's. BUT were much stronger than any SF or smaller PF they would run into. Very effective midrange shooters and could get u 8-9 RPG. Not superstar type guys. Or even perennial All Star guys. BUT guys who IN GENERAL were All Star caliber type guys. BUT not dominant enough to really build a championship franchise around.

[Stanley Kobrick]

The New Orlean's version of David West.
:cheers:

[Round Mound]

He Was a Prety Good PF. He Could Rebound, Handle the Rock and Had Good Shooting Touch. I Think He Was Almost All Star Level Player in the 80s.

[HoopsNY]

MJ wins the 88-90 rings with rookie Cummings instead of Pippen

A 3-peat with rookie Cummings is guaranteed

MJ didn't need pip to win... He only needed an 18 ppg sidekick and about the #7 team defense. Rookie Cummings was overkill

Disagree completely. Cummings wasn't a great defender like Pippen and having a player like Pippen put less stress on MJ defensively, thus preserving his energy on offense, in order to secure more championships.

[Horatio33]

If Cummings was Jordan's sidekick on 6 titles in this alternative universe then 3Ball would be making threads dissing Cummings.

[HoopsNY]

I also don't think Derrick Coleman would have been a good fit.

[Whoah10115]

I like how 3ball actually destroyed this.

[Shooter]

The New Orlean's version of David West.

Yep :cheers:

[insidehoops]

The New Orlean's version of David West.

Oh, interesting call here .

[Shooter]

The New Orlean's version of David West.

We know the truth :rockon:

Imagine getting outscored by David West and losing a series in the 1st round. Yikes

[HoopsNY]

Oh, interesting call here .

Not really. The comparison isn't fair at all.

[Whoah10115]

I mean, Terry Cummings could handle the ball and even play SF. There are some similarities in their scoring arsenal and some style, but Cummings was more all-around and better player.

[Bawkish]

We know the truth :rockon:

Imagine getting outscored by David West and losing a series in the 1st round. Yikes

Imagine a 12 year old Bron stan commenting over '80s playoffs

[GimmeThat]

I'm leaning towards Antawn Jamison based on versatility, and Lamar Odom who consistently averaged more minutes per game. which are 2 sixth-man candidates.

[Phoenix]

Cummings from the foul line down kinda reminds me a bit of Vin Baker visually, similar shot mechanics and craftiness around the rim, but with some SF ballhandling and more range thrown in.

[ELITEpower23]

I'm leaning towards Antawn Jamison based on versatility, and Lamar Odom who consistently averaged more minutes per game. which are 2 sixth-man candidates.

He is more like a deadly pairing with Moncrief. Two headed monster.

[Charlie Sheen]

I mean, Terry Cummings could handle the ball and even play SF. There are some similarities in their scoring arsenal and some style, but Cummings was more all-around and better player.

At this point, you're just disagreeing to disagree. Cummings could play the 3, but he couldn't keep smaller players in front of him any better than West could. The difference you've pointed out here amount to nitpicking.

Lerbon23 made a good comparison. TC himself agreed in this interview:
I think he’s the closest, and the kid that plays for Indiana, David West. He plays a lot more like I did. I like his game, I like how he is physical, how he can make jumpers, how he can post up and run the floor. I like how he plays the enforcer, much like I did most of my career. There are only a few of them like that in the league. The way they call the game (now), you can’t have too many players like that from the old school. There is a different look to it now.”
http://www.notinhalloffame.com/home/interviews/4793-interview-with-terry-cummings