How many games do the 1994 Bulls win if you replace Pippen for Kyrie?

[Mamba4Life]

Discuss

[3ball]

Probably less than he was on pace to win in 2018, when he led a juggernaut 1 seed and was the runaway choice for league MVP

but then he got hurt and Hayward's comeback ruined any chance at chemistry (and a successful Kyrie come back)

[LeCroix]

I wanna see the kyrie mvp vote shares

[Mamba4Life]

Probably less than he was on pace to win in 2018, when he led a juggernaut 1 seed and was the runaway choice for league MVP

but then he got hurt and Hayward's comeback ruined any chance at chemistry (and a successful Kyrie come back)

So you’re saying Kyrie has never lead a team to anything more than a lottery berth, and his teams routinely play better without him (Celtics almost made Finals without him in 2018, Cavs made Finals without him in 2015 and 2018)

Meanwhile Pippen was a blown call away from winning 55 games plus the championship in 1994 (he would’ve been FMVP as well)

Yikes

[LeCroix]

Probably less than he was on pace to win in 2018, when he led a juggernaut 1 seed and was the runaway choice for league MVP

but then he got hurt and Hayward's comeback ruined any chance at chemistry (and a successful Kyrie come back)

Victor oladipo got more mvp win shares then kyrie in 2018. Back off and smart up

[3ball]

So you’re saying Kyrie has never lead a team to anything more than a lottery berth, and his teams routinely play better without him (Celtics almost made Finals without him in 2018, Cavs made Finals without him in 2015 and 2018)

Meanwhile Pippen was a blown call away from winning 55 games plus the championship in 1994 (he would’ve been FMVP as well)

Yikes

Kyrie led his team to 2nd round defeat in 19' just like Pippen in 96'

Now can lebron lead that team to a 3-peat?... Lol... Not even close... He'd make the Finals as a massive underdog, underachiever (worse team than he should have) and get destroyed in the Finals, per the usual... Lebron's ball-dominant skillset simply yields shit teams, while MJ's off-ball/on-ball skillset yielded perennial juggernauts/favorites

[Mamba4Life]

Kyrie led his team to 2nd round defeat in 19' just like Pippen in 96'

Now can lebron lead that team to a 3-peat?... Lol... Not even close... He'd make the Finals as a massive underdog, underachiever (worse team than he should have) and get destroyed in the Finals, per the usual... Lebron's ball-dominant skillset simply yields shit teams, while MJ's off-ball/on-ball skillset yielded perennial juggernauts/favorites


Kyrie took a team that made the ECF without him (2018 Celtics) and turned them into a 2nd round team, so made them worse


Pippen took a Bulls team in 1988 that got swept in the 1st round, and turned them into 3 peat champions


So Kyrie makes his teams worse, Pippen turns first round losers into dynasties :O

[3ball]

Kyrie took a team that made the ECF without him (2018 Celtics) and turned them into a 2nd round team, so made them worse


Pippen took a Bulls team in 1988 that got swept in the 1st round, and turned them into 3 peat champions


So Kyrie makes his teams worse, Pippen turns first round losers into dynasties :O

Nah, sorry - Kyrie led a bunch of rookies to the 2nd round, while Pippen led a 3-peat system to 2nd round

Ultimately, only MJ can turn a 2nd round team into 3-peat dynasty (2nd three-peat), or a lottery cast into 3-peat dynasty (1st three-peat)

[Mamba4Life]

Nah, sorry - Kyrie led a bunch of rookies to the 2nd round, while Pippen led a 3-peat system to 2nd round

Ultimately, only MJ can turn a 2nd round team into 3-peat dynasty (2nd three-peat), or a lottery cast into 3-peat dynasty (1st three-peat)


Why did those “bunch of rookies” almost make the Finals without Kyrie a year earlier?


Why did the “3 peat dynasty” lose 3 straight times in the first round before Pippen?


You have no answer to this :D

[3ball]

Why did those “bunch of rookies” almost make the Finals without Kyrie a year earlier?



Because lebron's team underachieved by not disposing of the rookies in 4 games as expected






Why did the “3 peat dynasty” lose 3 straight times in the first round before Pippen?



Because the dynasty started out as 30-40 win teams....

And Jordan's 30-40 win teams made it as an 8 seed and faced impossible 8 vs 1 matchups, while lebron's 30-40 win teams missed the playoffs and the 8 vs 1 matchup - lebron only made it with high seeds, good teams and easy 1st round matchups

[Mamba4Life]

Because lebron's team underachieved by not disposing of the rookies in 4 games as expected

Why did those Celtics make the ECF without Kyrie (before facing LeBron)?


Why did they lose in the 2nd round WITH Kyrie?


Either Kyrie’s style of play is a detriment to team success, and/or he is a locker room cancer


Which angle are you going for?

[3ball]

Why did those Celtics make the ECF without Kyrie (before facing LeBron)?


Why did they lose in the 2nd round WITH Kyrie?


Either Kyrie’s style of play is a detriment to team success, and/or he is a locker room cancer


Which angle are you going for?
No you're forgetting hayward

He was the "1 piece too many" that screwed up kyrie's return from injury/screwed up the juggernaut chemistry the team had before Kyrie's injury

[Mamba4Life]

No you're forgetting hayward

He was the "1 piece too many" that screwed up kyrie's return from injury/screwed up the juggernaut chemistry and team that Kyrie had pre-injury

So you're agreeing with the "Kyrie is a locker room cancer" angle


Perfect

[3ball]

So you're agreeing with the "Kyrie is a locker room cancer" angle


Perfect

No my post was clear..

Hayward was the thing that was different - before Hayward came back and before Kyrie got hurt, Kyrie was leading the next NBA dynasty

Otoh, Pippen couldn't do shit despite having a 3-peat system

[Mamba4Life]

No my post was clear.. Hayward was the thing that was different

Before Hayward cane back, Kyrie was leading the next NBA dynasty

Why was Pippen able to win a championship in 1998 with MJ only providing 4 rebounds and 2 assists in production? Pippen had to produce 7 rebounds and 5 assists to make up for MJs lack of production


Why couldnt Kyrie win in 2017 with lebron producing 12 rebounds and 10 assists in production? Kyrie's 4 rebounds and 4 assists was not enough production to win.


Both LeBron and MJ got 34ppg of output, so the difference was in rebounds and assists


So this proves Pippen is far superior, he won a championship in 1998 while overcoming MJ's shortfall in production (4 rebounds and 2 assists) while Kyrie is far inferior, becuase he couldn't win in 2017 while having LeBron produce 12 rebounds and 10 assists

[Roundball_Rock]

I wanna see the kyrie mvp vote shares

Why does 3ball keep dodging this question?

It is funny this guy is hyping Kyrie when we have seen his teams do consistently better if Kyrie is playing golf, wearing a suit, gambling, or doing anything other than being on the court. The numbers are night and day for his teammates when the cancer isn't on the court.

[Shooter]

Much less

[tpols]

Way less, but the Cavs would've never won a ring without Kyrie's 40 point blow ups in the toughest games.

It would've been hilarious watching Pippy poo and Bran hot potato the rock.

[paksat]

kyrie is one odd ball if there ever was one

dude is fine cooking steph curry to the tune of 30 ppg while making toughest shots imaginable. But give him the keys to a good roster and make him the man and he don't know what to do.

[light]

Discuss

15?

[kawhileonard2]

Probably like 60. Scottie wouldn't outplay Steph in a series like Kyrie did.

[light]

Probably like 60. Scottie wouldn't outplay Steph in a series like Kyrie did.

Yeah, he would. Scottie led that elite defense while being the best perimeter defender in the league.

In 5-on-5 basketball Scottie Pippen is actually a better offensive player than Kyrie.

[Smoke117]

The 94 Bulls would be much worse if you replaced Kyrie with Pippen. Scottie carried that team on both ends of the floor. He was legitimately a top 5 defensive player in the league as a SF while also being his teams best offensive player. 3ball likes to act like the team won so many games because of past championships and this and that when the 94 bulls would have been lucky to win 30 games without Pippen. (they were 4-6 in the 10 games he did miss with an early ankle injury) Kyrie has never been a player who can carry a team game in game out for an entire season. Even his fans know that.

Also, LOL at that idiot 3ball trying to blame Hayward's "come back" on anything that happened in 2019. Hayward basically came off the bench and never made anything about it so how did his "come back" affect anything to do Kyrie? He did whatever he wanted regardless. Your stupid ass needs to stop trying to build up Kyrie so you can tear down LeBron because its just silly at this point...as silly as you trying to build up Kelly Oubre aka better than Scottie Pippen. :oldlol: We never needed to try to make you look ****ing stupid, but you just make it so easy these days.