Dinwiddie: yall thot MJ was god in the 80s becuz hes 6'6 with a 40 inch vert, like me

[LeCroix]

https://i.ibb.co/T4hjKT7/Dinwiddie-going-in.png

https://i.ibb.co/FnxfPPY/Dinwidde-goin-in-2.png


who can believe what to say? i cant believe what to say

mj was god because he was 6'6 with a 40 inch vert so it was special in the 80s but now this year we have so many that do this? is spencer true?

[MrFonzworth]

Dinwiddie finding something to bitch about what else is new

[Mamba4Life]

Now we know what player MJ would be like if he played today!


It seems DeMar Derozan 2.0 was overrating MJ's abilities

[LAmbruh]

https://media.giphy.com/media/LMnwLzuzBtkysH4hOX/giphy.gif

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Jordan's max vert was reported at 48, and he ran a 4.3. Dude also averaged 20ppg at 40 while Dinwiddie barely cracked that recently.

In other words? Self isolating is turning Dimwit into a twitter troll.

[warriorfan]

Low iq shit

[Mamba4Life]

Jordan's max vert was reported at 48, and he ran a 4.3. Dude also averaged 20ppg at 40 while Dinwiddie barely cracked that recently.

In other words? Self isolating is turning Dimwit into a twitter troll.

Then why don't we have even one legit pic of MJ's head at rim level?

6'6 + a 48 inch vertical means he can get his head to 10'6 or 6 inches above the rim.

But we don't even have evidence of MJ getting his head to rim level?

Jordan's vert wasn't an inch above 39, anything else is just wrong

[3ball]

There's a big difference between 40 and 42-48, which is what jordan had, depending on the source

And Jordan had goat speed (verified 4.38 forty-yard dash)

And goat hangtime/coordination/agility

And strength, where mj was the strongest guard to ever play, according to Magic

And goat jumpshot, form, and fundamentals

And goat mentality, alpga

[Mamba4Life]

There's a big difference between 40 and 42-48, which is what jordan had, depending on the source

And Jordan had goat speed (verified 4.38 forty-yard dash)

And goat hangtime/coordination/agility

And strength, where mj was the strongest guard to ever play, according to Magic

And goat jumpshot, form, and fundamentals

And goat mentality, alpga

Where's the proof? 48 inch vertical means MJ could get his head 6 inches above the rim, but he couldn't even get his head to rim level.

MJ's vert is 39 inches, based on actual evidence

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Then why don't we have even one legit pic of MJ's head at rim level?

6'6 + a 48 inch vertical means he can get his head to 10'6 or 6 inches above the rim.

But we don't even have evidence of MJ getting his head to rim level?

Jordan's vert wasn't an inch above 39, anything else is just wrong

We don't have footage or "photos" of him running a 4.3 either. But that's what UNC logged him at. Along with a "46 inch vert.

Depending on the source, going into the NBA he also logged a 48.

Don't think I didn't see your first post, either. Why bitch out and edit it? I mean, you can look all this up yourself. Maybe it'll ease your pain.

[3ball]

Where's the proof? 48 inch vertical means MJ could get his head 6 inches above the rim, but he couldn't even get his head to rim level.

MJ's vert is 39 inches, based on actual evidence
Tim Grover's book said 48 inches:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?356090-Michael-Jordan-s-Vertical-Revealed&p=10629290&viewfull=1#post10629290


A study done at UNC - Page 10:

http://www.jospt.org/doi/pdf/10.2519/jospt.1999.29.1.A1



And only MJ has video of him getting head at rim off 1 foot and 2 feet:

one leg: https://www.mearsonlineauctions.com/ItemImages/000033/79c1d42e-a6c6-4207-adc6-d8b35af9ed25_lg.jpeg
two legs: https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JhuRyEvLxbgD3fG/giphy.gif

[LeCroix]

There's a big difference between 40 and 42-48, which is what jordan had, depending on the source

And Jordan had goat speed (verified 4.38 forty-yard dash)

And goat hangtime/coordination/agility

And strength, where mj was the strongest guard to ever play, according to Magic

And goat jumpshot, form, and fundamentals

And goat mentality, alpga
dinwiddie has all this are you saying michale is dinwiddie in 2020 nba standard of play?

[tpols]

much more to athleticism that raw vert. dimwiddie is slow.

[Clippersfan86]

Jordan's max vert was reported at 48, and he ran a 4.3. Dude also averaged 20ppg at 40 while Dinwiddie barely cracked that recently.

In other words? Self isolating is turning Dimwit into a twitter troll.

Yep. Jordan's vert was closer to 50 than 40. Also he was fast as shit as you mentioned. Most importantly was, despite the overwhelming athleticism, he was skill based by about 5-6 years in. The late 80's Jordan was no doubt more of a Lebron/Giannis type where he dominated more with athletic ability. By early-mid career he developed the most unstoppable midrange in NBA history (around 50% shooting on INSANE volume that nobody else came close to in that era). He also developed an elite post game, footwork, handles were good and even got a solid 3 later in his prime. Most important of all... MJ is arguably the best perimeter defender of all time, perhaps even surpassing Pippen. So you combine the athleticism, mental ferocity, GOAT perimeter defense, and lights out midrange and you have MJ.

[brownmamba00]

Mj was more like 6'6,5 with long ass arms

Wingspan>height

[SATAN]

This is why you can't take pro players opinions too seriously. Dinwiddie always seemed like a moron.

[LeCroix]

Yep. Jordan's vert was closer to 50 than 40. Also he was fast as shit as you mentioned. Most importantly was, despite the overwhelming athleticism, he was skill based by about 5-6 years in. The late 80's Jordan was no doubt more of a Lebron/Giannis type where he dominated more with athletic ability. By early-mid career he developed the most unstoppable midrange in NBA history (around 50% shooting on INSANE volume that nobody else came close to in that era). He also developed an elite post game, footwork, handles were good and even got a solid 3 later in his prime. Most important of all... MJ is arguably the best perimeter defender of all time, perhaps even surpassing Pippen. So you combine the athleticism, mental ferocity, GOAT perimeter defense, and lights out midrange and you have MJ.

Mister you had it all good up to defense. MJ never needed to put much stress on defense with pippen pushing the load around. Michael was above average defender but not top elite like leborn, scottie, kawhi, the list goes. Yes mj was better then spencer dinwiddie but you get the drist

[Reggie43]

Bigger part of what made Jordan great was his actual skills yet kids think it was all about the athleticism :facepalm He wouldnt have won that 2nd 3peat if that was the case because he was obviously a step slower and out of his prime athletically.

[Clippersfan86]

Mister you had it all good up to defense. MJ never needed to put much stress on defense with pippen pushing the load around. Michael was above average defender but not top elite like leborn, scottie, kawhi, the list goes. Yes mj was better then spencer dinwiddie but you get the drist

Yet somehow when interviewed.. most wings/guards from his era have said he was the toughest defender for them. For me Pippen vs Jordan depends on what is more important on D. Pippen was far more versatile, being able to defend 3-4 positions consistently. Jordan was better with ball denial and at playing the passing lanes. So Jordan was more limited in who he could guard, but at his best they are neck and neck. I'd say both are elite and top 5 perimeter defenders all time with Payton, DJ and Kawhi or Moncrief.

[r0drig0lac]

Tim Grover's book said 48 inches:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?356090-Michael-Jordan-s-Vertical-Revealed&p=10629290&viewfull=1#post10629290


A study done at UNC - Page 10:

http://www.jospt.org/doi/pdf/10.2519/jospt.1999.29.1.A1



And only MJ has video of him getting head at rim off 1 foot and 2 feet:

one leg: https://www.mearsonlineauctions.com/ItemImages/000033/79c1d42e-a6c6-4207-adc6-d8b35af9ed25_lg.jpeg
two legs: https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JhuRyEvLxbgD3fG/giphy.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/cbG9wtoO8QScw/giphy.gif

[FKAri]

Why would Dimwiddie say something so ridiculous? MJ had the best prime years of all-time? Crazy talk.

[jstern]

It so low iq, but the type of low iq that you can't quite describe. He has the ring of low iq.

[G0ATbe]

He was spot on with everything except the MJ had the best prime part. Demar derozan with a better vert ain’t getting you 50 a night. Hardens skill set is superior to MJs in every way and he abuses the rules to the max and he couldn’t get 40 a game so it takes a low IQ to assume a midrange specialist would have more success

[Round Mound]

:facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

Dimdwiddie is obviously a little... dim.

He's the Brandon Jennings type.

Kobe prolly the GOAT to him

[LAmbruh]

always respected Dinwiddie

[Manny98]

Dinwiddie spitting facts like always :applause:

MJ fanboys seething

[Smoke117]

lol so you're a great athlete....come back when you are a great basketball player. This nikka must be hanging out with Kyrie 24/7. He has that trumped up self of worth ego why proving absolutely nothing on the court.

[Smook A.]

What an asshat. Talking as if it was only MJ's insane athleticism that made him special :oldlol:

[DoctorP]

Dim -widdie strikes again.

[Manny98]

It's Dinwiddie not Dimwiddie you ****

[DoctorP]

It's Dinwiddie not Dimwiddie you ****

he seems pretty dim to me :lol

[Overdrive]

always respected Dinwiddie


Dinwiddie spitting facts like always :applause:

MJ fanboys seething

Glad you put it that way.

https://www.opencourt-basketball.com/spencer-dinwiddie-has-had-enough-of-lebron-james-fans-calls-them-bronsexuals/

[Elosha]

Then why don't we have even one legit pic of MJ's head at rim level?

6'6 + a 48 inch vertical means he can get his head to 10'6 or 6 inches above the rim.

But we don't even have evidence of MJ getting his head to rim level?

Jordan's vert wasn't an inch above 39, anything else is just wrong

Unequivocally false. Jordan did not have a 48 inch vert (that's territory reserved for today's professional dunker's who literally do nothing but practice dunking and jumping) but his max vert was likely in the 44-45 range. His very first dunk in the NBA, an alley oop against the Milwaukee Bucks was almost certainly head above rim, although not eye/mouth level as some have claimed. See https://giphy.com/gifs/l2JhuRyEvLxbgD3fG

Here's three good looks at the apex of his 88 free throw line dunks from decent camera levels.


https://youtu.be/O3egOkYDo0A

https://dsz7vodgjx60a.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/094f7f0c80ba40a7b491c544ff7e57fc.jpg

https://images.solecollector.com/complex/image/upload/khj21bnqkie0fhtkp10l.jpg

Here's several other pics where he's clearly above rim level.

This is in 1993 EC semifinals when Jordan was 30 years old. The pic is taken from video footage and he's on his way up. He was about a little higher right after pic. One way to measure the pics veracity is to note the clear evidence that he was high enough to jump over 7'1" Brad Daugherty, who was standing straight up trying to take a charge. You can see the whole play starting at 6:52 of this video. https://youtu.be/xGxeTIU_0cQ?t=413

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cd00b94dd74ce383124455cb682f8ace

Here's another pic of Jordan dunking over a big man in Miami, and his head is clearly 1-2 inches over the rim.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-41a36ec5756e443c7096f5dcb7dfc080

[ArbitraryWater]

Unequivocally false. Jordan did not have a 48 inch vert (that's territory reserved for today's professional dunker's who literally do nothing but practice dunking and jumping) but his max vert was likely in the 44-45 range. His very first dunk in the NBA, an alley oop against the Milwaukee Bucks was almost certainly head above rim, although not eye/mouth level as some have claimed. Here's three good looks at the apex of his 88 free throw line dunks from decent camera levels.

https://dsz7vodgjx60a.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/094f7f0c80ba40a7b491c544ff7e57fc.jpg

Here's another pic of Jordan dunking over a big man in Miami, and his head is clearly 1-2 inches over the rim.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-41a36ec5756e443c7096f5dcb7dfc080

he's not even close to being above rim level here

boy u dumb

[Elosha]

he's not even close to being above rim level here

boy u dumb

I am certainly not dumb, but you are willfully blind. And a troll. Sorry to burst your little denial bubble.

[Overdrive]

he's not even close to being above rim level here

boy u dumb

He hit the lower back of his head on the backboard. There's footage of it.
Also combine measurements aren't IG measurements. Most guys can't jump as high in game situations.
Don't know why you guys can't stop crying about any factoid of Jordan. He obviously had a pretty decent vert, he was quick as **** and ran the court as fast as anyone.
Someday, you're trying to diminish his athleticism other days you folks say he simply was more athletic than the rest of the league that's why he was great.

The truth is: You don't enjoy basketball. You love Lebron. That's your reason to watch. IDC if Jordan's GOAT or not. I have an opinion on it, but it doesn't make him a better or worse player than Lebron, Bird or whoever. They are what they are, a silly ranking by some internet ****, most of them never played ball, doesn't change that. Someday in the future you might get it, that enjoying the greats no matter who is much more satisfying than always belittling their feats so you can feel better by proxy of your mancrush.

[StrongLurk]

MJ had unique athleticism. No one has had his total package of explosiveness and size since him.

It's so pathetic to see so many people who never saw MJ play try to tear him down. Honestly what's the point of being so insecure?

[Mr Feeny]

Unequivocally false. Jordan did not have a 48 inch vert (that's territory reserved for today's professional dunker's who literally do nothing but practice dunking and jumping) but his max vert was likely in the 44-45 range. His very first dunk in the NBA, an alley oop against the Milwaukee Bucks was almost certainly head above rim, although not eye/mouth level as some have claimed. See https://giphy.com/gifs/l2JhuRyEvLxbgD3fG

Here's three good looks at the apex of his 88 free throw line dunks from decent camera levels.


https://youtu.be/O3egOkYDo0A

https://dsz7vodgjx60a.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/094f7f0c80ba40a7b491c544ff7e57fc.jpg

https://images.solecollector.com/complex/image/upload/khj21bnqkie0fhtkp10l.jpg

Here's several other pics where he's clearly above rim level.

This is in 1993 EC semifinals when Jordan was 30 years old. The pic is taken from video footage and he's on his way up. He was about a little higher right after pic. One way to measure the pics veracity is to note the clear evidence that he was high enough to jump over 7'1" Brad Daugherty, who was standing straight up trying to take a charge. You can see the whole play starting at 6:52 of this video. https://youtu.be/xGxeTIU_0cQ?t=413

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cd00b94dd74ce383124455cb682f8ace

Here's another pic of Jordan dunking over a big man in Miami, and his head is clearly 1-2 inches over the rim.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-41a36ec5756e443c7096f5dcb7dfc080

The only issue is that those dont measure vehicle leap. Leaping front the free throw line and jumping almost horizontally isnt going to get you as high as you otherwise would.

Incicentslly, Lebron's vertical is 44 inches, 41 above his knob's length.

[DoctorP]

Luka Doncic farts in Dimwiddies face all day.

[DoctorP]

all Fn day farting in his face

ALL FN DAY

LUKAAAAA

[red1]

dinwiddie is the kind of guy who thinks for himself. kinda guy that you cant fool with sasquatch pictures.


he's also kinda dumb.


that nets team IQ is dirt-poor with a backcourt of kyrie and dinwiddie.

[bobopenguin]

send Dinwiddie back to 80s and all he can do is sit outside stadium & polish someones shoes.

[red1]

send Dinwiddie back to 80s and all he can do is sit outside stadium & polish someones shoes.

nah he'd be an allstar.

[Elosha]

I went back and looked at Spencer's highlights. He's a solid player, but nothing remarkable in this era or in any other era. It's utterly laughable that he thinks he's the same caliber of athlete as Jordan. He's not in the same stratosphere. His statements pretty much demonstrate lack of credibility in judging athleticism.

[AirBonner]

MJ’s vert is turning into Wilt-like tall-tales

[warriorfan]

MJ’s vert is turning into Wilt-like tall-tales

Almost all of Jordan’s footage is still there for viewing. Check it out sometime. Michael Jordan’s athleticism hasn’t been greatly exaggerated.

[FireDavidKahn]

Almost all of Jordan’s footage is still there for viewing. Check it out sometime. Michael Jordan’s athleticism hasn’t been greatly exaggerated.

Seriously? People on this board have argued that he is almost as strong as LeBron

[FKAri]

Seriously? People on this board have argued that he is almost as strong as LeBron

MJ couldn't even back down Muggsy :oldlol:

Meanwhile LeGOAT bodied JJ Barray-ya(sp?). So strong that refs had to call the charge.

[Goldrush25]

It's all anecdotal. There is no proof of MJ having a 48 inch vertical. It's all hearsay, same way I hear about Bo Jackson having a 4.13 40 yard time. There's no proof but if people want to believe it they will.

Dinwiddie's point is that the athletes today overall are better than they've ever been on average, despite all of these oldheads saying that there's no way the players today could make it back then. He's not saying he's as good as MJ.

You drop some of those oldheads in their prime into this era and they'd have trouble getting up and down the court with these guys.

[LeCroix]

It's all anecdotal. There is no proof of MJ having a 48 inch vertical. It's all hearsay, same way I hear about Bo Jackson having a 4.13 40 yard time. There's no proof but if people want to believe it they will.

Dinwiddie's point is that the athletes today overall are better than they've ever been on average, despite all of these oldheads saying that there's no way the players today could make it back then. He's not saying he's as good as MJ.

You drop some of those oldheads in their prime into this era and they'd have trouble getting up and down the court with these guys.

Perfection explanation

[Soundwave]

Jordan family must have explosive vertical leap in the genes, this was Jordan's brother Larry Jordan who's only 5'8, but he can easily dunk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl9LlUZcSdU

Looking at that, Larry Jordan has to have easily a 40+ inch vertical. Michael basically has the same vertical leap I think, except he's 6'6 and not 5'8 with a massive wingspan and giant hands. I don't think Jordan having a 44-48 inch vertical is any exaggeration.

Fast twitch muscle fibre and explosive vertical leaping ability just seems to run in the Jordan genetics.

But there's a lot more to basketball athleticism than just leaping ability. People really underestimate agility, being agile (off the dribble and in the air) is something that can't really be measured but it's more vital to basketball ability than just a pure athlete.

[tpols]

Jordan family must have explosive vertical leap in the genes, this was Jordan's brother Larry Jordan who's only 5'8, but he can easily dunk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl9LlUZcSdU

Looking at that, Larry Jordan has to have easily a 40+ inch vertical. Michael basically has the same vertical leap I think, except he's 6'6 and not 5'8 with a massive wingspan and giant hands. I don't think Jordan having a 44-48 inch vertical is any exaggeration.

Fast twitch muscle fibre and explosive vertical leaping ability just seems to run in the Jordan genetics.

But there's a lot more to basketball athleticism than just leaping ability. People really underestimate agility, being agile (off the dribble and in the air) is something that can't really be measured but it's more vital to basketball ability than just a pure athlete.

north west african genetics.

[Bronbron23]

https://i.ibb.co/T4hjKT7/Dinwiddie-going-in.png

https://i.ibb.co/FnxfPPY/Dinwidde-goin-in-2.png


who can believe what to say? i cant believe what to say

mj was god because he was 6'6 with a 40 inch vert so it was special in the 80s but now this year we have so many that do this? is spencer true?

this is a trash evaluation from a actual player. No wonder this generation is trash at almost everything in comparison to generations before it. They're absolutely clueless when it comes to actual talent and the ones that arnt would never say something this idiotic. Athleticism was just one of the many traits that made mj great. If it was just qbout athleticism why was mj still the best in the league during his second 3peat when he was nowhere near the most athletic player in the league? Spencer will be lucky to still be in the league in his early to mid thirties.

Oh and the best 2 gaurd in the league today is probably klay Thompson and he has the athleticism of a 50 year old garbage man :facepalm

[LeCroix]

this is a trash evaluation from a actual player. No wonder this generation is trash at almost everything in comparison to generations before it. They're absolutely clueless when it comes to actual talent and the ones that arnt would never say something this idiotic. Athleticism was just one of the many traits that made mj great. If it was just qbout athleticism why was mj still the best in the league during his second 3peat when he was nowhere near the most athletic player in the league? Spencer will be lucky to still be in the league in his early to mid thirties.

Oh and the best 2 gaurd in the league today is probably klay Thompson and he has the athleticism of a 50 year old garbage man :facepalm

rest your mind and emotion filled stress, you can thank me tomorrow.

[LeCroix]

dinwiddie was right

he even says later on twitter that people bashed him because it is michael, even tho spencer d says clearly in the messaging that mj has goat peak, but the emotions pour into the typing fingers that send the charged up message

[Roundball_Rock]

dinwiddie was right

he even says later on twitter that people bashed him because it is michael, even tho spencer d says clearly in the messaging that mj has goat peak, but the emotions pour into the typing fingers that send the charged up message

Who has said someone other than MJ is GOAT and not had hordes of MJ stans attacking them on social media? In contrast, Riley, Blatt recently came out and said MJ is GOAT and LeBron fans didn't react at all.

[LeCroix]

Who has said someone other than MJ is GOAT and not had hordes of MJ stans attacking them on social media? In contrast, Riley, Blatt recently came out and said MJ is GOAT and LeBron fans didn't react at all.

precisedemundo

even tho the arugment for top 3 is always lbj kareem and mike

people get too caught up in it all. its just a orange ball shoot around game

[Bronbron23]

rest your mind and emotion filled stress, you can thank me tomorrow.

I dont stress over sports or anything that dosnt effect my life dude. Its just a stupid analysis is all. Dude is basically comparing himself to mj. Theres only one guy currently playing who can do that and it for damn sure isnt dumbwitty.

[Lebron23]

It's all anecdotal. There is no proof of MJ having a 48 inch vertical. It's all hearsay, same way I hear about Bo Jackson having a 4.13 40 yard time. There's no proof but if people want to believe it they will.

Dinwiddie's point is that the athletes today overall are better than they've ever been on average, despite all of these oldheads saying that there's no way the players today could make it back then. He's not saying he's as good as MJ.

You drop some of those oldheads in their prime into this era and they'd have trouble getting up and down the court with these guys.

Bests posts so far in this thread.

[LeCroix]

I dont stress over sports or anything that dosnt effect my life dude. Its just a stupid analysis is all. Dude is basically comparing himself to mj. Theres only one guy currently playing who can do that and it for damn sure isnt dumbwitty.

he is not comparing himsefl to mj he is saying his (micahel) athletic abilities were so amazing in 80s ball but the league is changing and players are getting better jumps and athletes over the years

[LeCroix]

Bests posts so far in this thread.

double co signing for the notes

to you and to goldrush 25

[Atlantis]

When you know you can get your head over the rim easily, you don't try to jump as high as you can because you know that even if you don't, you're easily going to get high enough. There's no functional advantage of jumping 45 inches vs 38 unless you're trying to get a rebound, and nobody takes pictures of rebounds.

The difference between prime Jordan's athleticism and Dinwiddie's athleticism is the same as the difference between Dinwiddie and an average NBA player. It's huge.

[Soundwave]

First of all, I don't even buy Dinwiddie has anywhere close to a 40 inch vertical leap.

Vince Carter had a 43 inch vertical ... does Dinwiddie look like someone even half as athletic? No way he can jump just 3 inches less of a Vince Carter. Sorry but I call BS on his claims to begin with. He's not 6'6 either.

If he's saying he has a 40 inch vertical, he's full of it, that's in the range of a LeBron James. Watch any video of this guy and tell me you think he has a 40 inch vertical.

[GimmeThat]

what he's really trying to say was that the smartest man in the world Stephen Hawkins brain went into a blackhole and died, the reason he was termed the smartest man into the black hole? he died when he was 76 years old.

[Stanley Kobrick]

Bests posts so far in this thread.
:cheers:

[DoctorP]

https://i.ibb.co/T4hjKT7/Dinwiddie-going-in.png

https://i.ibb.co/FnxfPPY/Dinwidde-goin-in-2.png


who can believe what to say? i cant believe what to say

mj was god because he was 6'6 with a 40 inch vert so it was special in the 80s but now this year we have so many that do this? is spencer true?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c

[86Celtics]

It's all anecdotal. There is no proof of MJ having a 48 inch vertical. It's all hearsay, same way I hear about Bo Jackson having a 4.13 40 yard time. There's no proof but if people want to believe it they will.

Dinwiddie's point is that the athletes today overall are better than they've ever been on average, despite all of these oldheads saying that there's no way the players today could make it back then. He's not saying he's as good as MJ.

You drop some of those oldheads in their prime into this era and they'd have trouble getting up and down the court with these guys.

The athletes today maybe better trained physically but they are also dumber and lacking in fundamentals. And in any case if the "oldheads" were to play in this era, they would get the same training that today's athletes get.


Who has said someone other than MJ is GOAT and not had hordes of MJ stans attacking them on social media? In contrast, Riley, Blatt recently came out and said MJ is GOAT and LeBron fans didn't react at all.

And why does that upset you so much? Since you're a Pippen guy and all?

[Stanley Kobrick]

big if true

[RogueBorg]

Then why don't we have even one legit pic of MJ's head at rim level?

6'6 + a 48 inch vertical means he can get his head to 10'6 or 6 inches above the rim.

But we don't even have evidence of MJ getting his head to rim level?

Jordan's vert wasn't an inch above 39, anything else is just wrong

Vertical leap is not measure with a basketball in hand at a rim. As far as I know, it's measured standing still with the person trying to jump and hit a height marker.

[Phoenix]

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JhuRyEvLxbgD3fG/giphy.gif

is there another angle for this one? It's hard to judge where his head is but his elbows 'appear' comfortably above the rim.

[LeCroix]

Bests posts so far in this thread.

Pretty good post I cosign it