Stephen Curry is the Greatest Player Ever

[RRR3]

Strange how Stephonit disappears when Sulico appears. Just a coincidence though I'm sure.

[Sulico]

Bruh. Are you trolling?

Michael Jordan led the NBA in usage% 8 freaking times!! Off-the-ball?!
I really start to question your sanity, all jokes aside.
Or is this trolling? Can't really tell.

[warriorfan]

Why would you assume that?
How is being unselfish connected to number of assists? Russell Westbrook is most selfish player in the league, maybe ever, and he led league in assissts numerous times.

Michael Jordan off-the-ball player??? Are you high?

Low iq fans who don’t even watch the games and try to revise history through box scores :lol

[Axe]

Michael Jordan led the NBA in usage% 8 freaking times!! Off-the-ball?!
I really start to question your sanity, all jokes aside.
Or is this trolling? Can't really tell.
Lol you don't have to try so hard.

[SATAN]

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[Stanley Kobrick]

Strange how Stephonit disappears when Sulico appears. Just a coincidence though I'm sure.
they do seem quite similar, very interesting

[Turbo Slayer]

What the hell are you talking about? This is literally stats from basketball-refference...
What is your game here? What are you trying to achieve?

Im way too lazy to write a lengthy post containing ACTUAL evidence so Ill just put a video out about Michael Jordans off ball abilities.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eM2X5QlJCHk Also usage doesnt tell us if someones game is off ball or on ball. It just tracks a percentage of teams plays directed by X player.

[Stanley Kobrick]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7yfUjQ5O-k

[Stephonit]

Why would you assume that?
How is being unselfish connected to number of assists? Russell Westbrook is most selfish player in the league, maybe ever, and he led league in assissts numerous times.

Michael Jordan off-the-ball player??? Are you high?

I was going to reply to Turbo Slayer's post but then I realized it would be a waste of time since he was responding with straw mans and non-sequiturs. Don't be too hard on him though. He's young. He's acting like one of those overzealous prefects who when they think they're right about something want to correct everyone around them. The others on the other hand are trolls. A pet theory of mind is they are fans of others who've been traumatized by Curry and have developed what I call Post Curry Traumatic Stress Disorder (PCTSD). It explains their denials in the face of irrefutable evidence and obsessive behavior. But I'm sure you're familiar with that kind of thing if you've been around the internet long enough.

By the way you have some mighty fine takes. Pithy and to the point. I'm unsure if the standard of discussion rises to your level that often around here but unlike other places it seems you can actually express them without getting censored. I haven't been around too long though so don't take my word as gospel yet.





Sulico = Stephonit

called in aerial support after the recent beatdowns he's been taking

I wouldn't mind if you and the others thought so. I guess our willingness to talk intelligently about matters make us stand out. Sulico seems smart enough that I wouldn't be embarrassed if you thought we were one and the same.

And Docs please don't pretend you didn't see what happened when the PCTSD patients were confronted with this

https://www.gifgen.com/gif/PGn5symF.gif

If you've forgotten I'll have to consign you to the psychiatric ward along with the others.

[Turbo Slayer]

I was going to reply to Turbo Slayer's post but then I realized it would be a waste of time since he was responding with straw mans and non-sequiturs. Don't be too hard on him though. He's young. He's acting like one of those overzealous prefects who when they think they're right about something want to correct everyone around them. The others on the other hand are trolls. A pet theory of mind is they are fans of others who've been traumatized by Curry and have developed what I call Post Curry Traumatic Stress Disorder (PCTSD). It explains their denials in the face of irrefutable evidence and obsessive behavior. But I'm sure you're familiar with that kind of thing if you've been around the internet long enough.

By the way you have some mighty fine takes. Pithy and to the point. I'm unsure if the standard of discussion rises to your level that often around here but unlike other places it seems you can actually express them without getting censored. I haven't been around too long though so don't take my word as gospel yet.




I wouldn't mind if you and the others thought so. I guess our willingness to talk intelligently about matters make us stand out. Sulico seems smart enough that I wouldn't be embarrassed if you thought we were one and the same.

And Docs please don't pretend you didn't see what happened when the PCTSD patients were confronted with this

https://www.gifgen.com/gif/PGn5symF.gif

If you've forgotten I'll have to consign you to the psychiatric ward along with the others.
Dude stop. I found a similiar video in a similiar situation (Lebrons) to Curry's. Video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=852RtQh5SdQ Noone remembers this shot. And the shot isnt iconic.

[Stephonit]

Dude stop. I found a similiar video in a similiar situation (Lebrons) to Curry's. Video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=852RtQh5SdQ Noone remembers this shot. And the shot isnt iconic.

You still haven't learned. And you've even decided to bring your display of ignorance to another thread! :facepalm


https://youtu.be/JG_wClmLUh8

[Turbo Slayer]

You still haven't learned. And you've even decided to bring your display of ignorance to another thread! :facepalm


https://youtu.be/JG_wClmLUh8
:hammertime:

[LAmbruh]

:hammertime:

:roll:

:hammertime:

[Stephonit]

This thread seems to be an appropriate one to show the various statistics and factoids that indicate he is the best. So I'll start consolidating some of them here.

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"The Warriors are +4131 with Stephen Curry on the court over the last five years. They are -447 with Stephen Curry on the bench." - Ben Cohen

Stephen Curry Changed the Game by Changing Every Game (https://www.wsj.com/articles/stephen-curry-changed-the-game-by-changing-every-game-11559140592)

[Axe]

*yawn*

[Stephonit]

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[Run DLC]

Durant is the the GOAT. DuGOAT carried Curry and singlehandedly destroyed LeBron in back-to-back NBA finals. After seeing those finals games and the adversity he went through to became a two times champions, it was crystal clear to me that DuGOAT is the greatest player of this era and greatest player of all-time

[tpols]

This thread seems to be an appropriate one to show the various statistics and factoids that indicate he is the best. So I'll start consolidating some of them here.

https://i.imgflip.com/3yorn2.gif

"The Warriors are +4131 with Stephen Curry on the court over the last five years. They are -447 with Stephen Curry on the bench." - Ben Cohen

Stephen Curry Changed the Game by Changing Every Game (https://www.wsj.com/articles/stephen-curry-changed-the-game-by-changing-every-game-11559140592)

Damn that's filthy.

Curry I think has surpassed Magic in making teams better. There's no competition for getting doubled at 30 feet and giving your team a fastbreak halfcourt offense.

[Akeem34TheDream]

Durant is the the GOAT. DuGOAT carried Curry and singlehandedly destroyed LeBron in back-to-back NBA finals. After seeing those finals games and the adversity he went through to became a two times champions, it was crystal clear to me that DuGOAT is the greatest player of this era and greatest player of all-time

I disagree. Gsw never won against Kawhi so they were never the true champions.

[Axe]

I disagree. Gsw never won against Kawhi so they were never the true champions.
Are you plain dumb or just a noob who started watching basketball a year ago?

The '16-1' warriors team met the spurs in the 2017 wcf, where they were almost defeated in the opening game until a dirty tactic by zaza thwarted kawhi and so, the rest of the spurs' season that year became history.

They once again met in 2018 during the first round but it was also lopsided, as the warriors convincingly won 4-1.

[Cleverness]

MVPs who are undefeated in playoffs when team healthy/not suspended:

Steph Curry



Anyone else??

[Turbo Slayer]

This thread seems to be an appropriate one to show the various statistics and factoids that indicate he is the best. So I'll start consolidating some of them here.

https://i.imgflip.com/3yorn2.gif

"The Warriors are +4131 with Stephen Curry on the court over the last five years. They are -447 with Stephen Curry on the bench." - Ben Cohen

Stephen Curry Changed the Game by Changing Every Game (https://www.wsj.com/articles/stephen-curry-changed-the-game-by-changing-every-game-11559140592) Basic +/- (raw plus-minus) has a major flaw. A player's rating are heavily influenced by the play of his on-court teammates. Stephen Curry played alongside Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson, and Draymond Green in most of the Golden State's Finals runs. So Curry played with great teammates that heavily inflates his raw plus minus.


But the familiar +/- stat has a serious flaw: Each player's rating is heavily influenced by the play of his on-court teammates.

For example, in the basic +/- numbers, Thunder backup point guard Reggie Jackson is ranked 27th in the league. But he's also spent the majority of his minutes playing alongside Kevin Durant, the league's likely MVP. What we really want to know is how much of Jackson's elite rating is attributable to his own play, and basic +/- simply can't tell us.- From a ESPN article

[Stephonit]

Basic +/- (raw plus-minus) has a major flaw. A player's rating are heavily influenced by the play of his on-court teammates. Stephen Curry played alongside Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson, and Draymond Green in most of the Golden State's Finals runs. So Curry played with great teammates that heavily inflates his raw plus minus.

That is something to keep in mind in general when using the stat for most players but that particular criticism falls apart in relation to Curry when you consider the second part of the quoted statement: "They are -447 with Stephen Curry on the bench."

Indeed bringing up his teammates strengthens Curry's case instead of weakening it. With Durant or without Durant the Warriors chugged along at a 67-win pace with Curry on the team.

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[GimmeThat]

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the thing is there's no such thing as a 5-year peak. What you're saying is, his team made absolutely no adjustment for him, and he continues to perform at a high level.

I suppose we can say people define what success is differently. But you and I both know, this chart alone doesn't make him surpass all the other players with +/- inferior to him. Especially for the fact he was on the same team for this 5 year-span.

[Stephonit]

the thing is there's no such thing as a 5-year peak. What you're saying is, his team made absolutely no adjustment for him, and he continues to perform at a high level.

I suppose we can say people define what success is differently. But you and I both know, this chart alone doesn't make him surpass all the other players with +/- inferior to him. Especially for the fact he was on the same team for this 5 year-span.

I'm having difficulty getting some of the images to load correctly so I'm not sure if we're talking about the same image. So here's the image you quoted on a different host.

https://i.ibb.co/J7C4qx5/SzA4KCx.jpg

Here's another of the images I posted also transferred to a different host.

https://i.ibb.co/rsdWtCs/qnkZjsH.jpg

[Axe]

You know you are an uncultured swine if you still think that stephen curry is the greatest player ever

[GimmeThat]

I'm having difficulty getting some of the images to load correctly so I'm not sure if we're talking about the same image. So here's the image you quoted on a different host.

https://i.ibb.co/J7C4qx5/SzA4KCx.jpg

Here's another of the images I posted also transferred to a different host.

https://i.ibb.co/rsdWtCs/qnkZjsH.jpg

top 5 total points by season

Stephen Curry
15-16 2375
16-17 1999
14-15 1900
18-19 1881
13-14 1873

Lebron James
05-06 2478
08-09 2304
09-10 2258
17-18 2251
07-08 2250

Michael Jordan
86-87 3041
87-88 2868
89-90 2753
88-89 2633
90-91 2580


as for the 2nd post. having high +/- with low WS, just means Stephen Curry is a fantastic garbage time player, is my logic correct.

[Stanley Kobrick]

top 5 total points by season

Stephen Curry
15-16 2375
16-17 1999
14-15 1900
18-19 1881
13-14 1873

Lebron James
05-06 2478
08-09 2304
09-10 2258
17-18 2251
07-08 2250

Michael Jordan
86-87 3041
87-88 2868
89-90 2753
88-89 2633
90-91 2580


as for the 2nd post. having high +/- with low WS, just means Stephen Curry is a fantastic garbage time player, is my logic correct.
high IQ user

[ArbitraryWater]

Are you plain dumb or just a noob who started watching basketball a year ago?

The '16-1' warriors team met the spurs in the 2017 wcf, where they were almost defeated in the opening game until a dirty tactic by zaza thwarted kawhi and so, the rest of the spurs' season that year became history.

They once again met in 2018 during the first round but it was also lopsided, as the warriors convincingly won 4-1.

Are you retarded?

That's what he says.

Why are you so dumb loool

[Stephonit]

top 5 total points by season

Stephen Curry
15-16 2375
16-17 1999
14-15 1900
18-19 1881
13-14 1873

Lebron James
05-06 2478
08-09 2304
09-10 2258
17-18 2251
07-08 2250

Michael Jordan
86-87 3041
87-88 2868
89-90 2753
88-89 2633
90-91 2580


If basketball were only a one-on-one game the primacy of individual absolute scoring would be clear. But in the NBA we're talking about a five-on-five game. Aside from possibly being the most efficient high volume creator scorer in NBA history when it comes to helping his teammates be better scorers, Curry is quite possibly the best:

https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/c_fill,g_auto,f_auto,h_912,w_672/https%3A%2F%2Ffansided.com%2Ffiles%2F2018%2F03%2F0 4-Curry-PG-Teammate-TS.jpg


as for the 2nd post. having high +/- with low WS, just means Stephen Curry is a fantastic garbage time player, is my logic correct.

Curry is also possibly the greatest off-ball player in history. He influences many plays without being credited with an assist or even touching the ball. This will lower his win shares count even if he was critical to the success of many winning plays because that stat uses assists and possessions in its computation. 3 rings in 5 straight finals appearances say your logic is bad.

[Axe]

Are you retarded?

That's what he says.

Why are you so dumb loool
Mind if you read his post again, you pathetic wretched freak of nature. ./.

Mental disorder is really your greatest trait, after all.

[Akeem34TheDream]

Are you retarded?

That's what he says.

Why are you so dumb loool

I stopped responding to him, you should too.

[GimmeThat]

If basketball were only a one-on-one game the primacy of individual absolute scoring would be clear. But in the NBA we're talking about a five-on-five game. Aside from possibly being the most efficient high volume creator scorer in NBA history when it comes to helping his teammates be better scorers, Curry is quite possibly the best:

https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/c_fill,g_auto,f_auto,h_912,w_672/https%3A%2F%2Ffansided.com%2Ffiles%2F2018%2F03%2F0 4-Curry-PG-Teammate-TS.jpg



Curry is also possibly the greatest off-ball player in history. He influences many plays without being credited with an assist or even touching the ball. This will lower his win shares count even if he was critical to the success of many winning plays because that stat uses assists and possessions in its computation. 3 rings in 5 straight finals appearances say your logic is bad.

here are the per 100 ratings for the following players

Stephen Curry: 118/107
Kevin Durant: 117/105
Lebron James: 116/104
Michael Jordan: 118/103

these stats are based on a per 100 possession basis, which means they can actually be normalized again. The fact that Curry's defensive rating is 7 above 100, would you say these might be grounds to question whether or not he's been taking steroids.

[warriorfan]

If basketball were only a one-on-one game the primacy of individual absolute scoring would be clear. But in the NBA we're talking about a five-on-five game. Aside from possibly being the most efficient high volume creator scorer in NBA history when it comes to helping his teammates be better scorers, Curry is quite possibly the best:

https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/c_fill,g_auto,f_auto,h_912,w_672/https%3A%2F%2Ffansided.com%2Ffiles%2F2018%2F03%2F0 4-Curry-PG-Teammate-TS.jpg



Curry is also possibly the greatest off-ball player in history. He influences many plays without being credited with an assist or even touching the ball. This will lower his win shares count even if he was critical to the success of many winning plays because that stat uses assists and possessions in its computation. 3 rings in 5 straight finals appearances say your logic is bad.

Unreal impact. Chef DINGOAT

[LeCroix]

here are the per 100 ratings for the following players

Stephen Curry: 118/107
Kevin Durant: 117/105
Lebron James: 116/104
Michael Jordan: 118/103

these stats are based on a per 100 possession basis, which means they can actually be normalized again. The fact that Curry's defensive rating is 7 above 100, would you say these might be grounds to question whether or not he's been taking steroids.

this guy posting regular season :lol

playoffs per 100

player, off, def

curry: 116, 107
durant: 116, 106
lebron: 116, 102
michael: 118, 104

[Axe]

here are the per 100 ratings for the following players

Stephen Curry: 118/107
Kevin Durant: 117/105
Lebron James: 116/104
Michael Jordan: 118/103

these stats are based on a per 100 possession basis, which means they can actually be normalized again. The fact that Curry's defensive rating is 7 above 100, would you say these might be grounds to question whether or not he's been taking steroids.
Hey, give him formula.

[warriorfan]

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[Stephonit]

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[aj1987]

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I didn't use '13 and '14 because I was using the stats from the Warrior's "dynasty", which started in '15. Also, they played comparable number of games in those seasons.

LeBron played a total of 24 more games than Curry in those two postseasons combined.

Curry made the 2nd round in '13 and got beat by CP3 in '14 in the first round.

You can't compare them when one player has played significantly more games than the other.



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Of course, it's ridiculous to you. It doesn't suit your agenda.


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Both Love and Bosh were #3 options behind Wade and LeBron, who take 20 shots a game a piece. There are only x number of shots that a team can take per game. Bosh is not getting 20 shots a game on the Heat while LeBron and Wade (better scorers) got less number of shots. Same with Love.


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Funny how you ignore the FACTS that Draymond's PPG dropped from 14 PPG to 10 PPG and KD's from 28 PPG to 25 PPG with the addition of KD. How about Draymond's WS dropping by 3 points or KD's dropping by 2.5 and 4.5 the season after. Darymond's dropped by 5 points by '18. Klay faced the same fate as well.

Funny how you ignored the FACT that Wade was injured after the 2011 season.

Also, since you brought up efficiency, how about the FACT that Wade and Bosh had their more efficient seasons WITH LeBron? Kevin Love as well. He has his most efficient season WITH LeBron.


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Draymond Green was a certified scrub until Kerr came along.


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Klay was shooting 41% from his rookie season. If you want to do that, everyone thought that Bosh, Love, and Irving were overrated career losers, who had 2 PO's appearances COMBINED in 16 total seasons played. All three of them are likely making the HOF because of LeBron.


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Bogut was an injury prone C, who was barely playing any relevant minutes. Dude was a bench scrub in the Finals.


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Since you were bringing up stats, you want to do Iggy's stats with and without Curry?

There's ZERO chance that Iggy makes the HOF. You have to be delusional to think otherwise.



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You do know that you could do that for a shit ton of players who played with LeBron, right? Case in point, Delly.


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Funny that you ignored the FACT that McGee had the best season of his career WITH LeBron. Was pretty good this season as well.

Dude was a sub 10 minute bench scrub with the Warriors.


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Facts say otherwise. You might want to look at facts, instead of going by your feelings.


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Do not disagree with this. He among the best off-ball players of all time and is unselfish.

But opposing coaches piss their pants from the thought of Steph getting the ball and catching fire.

[999Guy]

Those first few months of 2015-16 he was the greatest player to ever walk earth.