Stephen Curry is the Greatest Player Ever

[Stephonit]

Making this thread in advance for 10 years from now.

[Stanley Kobrick]

we have still yet to find one single iconic stephen curry playoff moment

[Stephonit]

we have still yet to find one single iconic stephen curry playoff moment

Lesser players need manufactured iconic moments to preserve their memory. Great players don't.

[Stanley Kobrick]

Lesser players need manufactured iconic moments to preserve their memory. Great players don't.
at least you agree that stephen curry has no iconic playoff moments

[Stephonit]

Curry has genuine performances not marketing gimmicks. Genghis Khan doesn't need to be a created Japanese samurai video game hero to immortalize how badass he was. The Samurai trembled before The Horde not the other way around.

[GimmeThat]

well since the rest of the world pretty much believe Stephen Curry has a gay mind stuck in a straight body. I truly suggest OP and Stephen Curry to think of perhaps its the other players such as Lebron/Durant that has been suffering from such syndrome, and the better he performs, the sooner the world will see the light of Lebron/Durant coming out the closet, admitting to their homosexuality.

[Stephonit]

well since the rest of the world pretty much believe Stephen Curry has a gay mind stuck in a straight body. I truly suggest OP and Stephen Curry to think of perhaps its the other players such as Lebron/Durant that has been suffering from such syndrome, and the better he performs, the sooner the world will see the light of Lebron/Durant coming out the closet, admitting to their homosexuality.

LeBron got together with AD and Durant hook up with Kyrie. Does anything more need to be said?

[Axe]

Greatest player ever to go 0/8 in go ahead shots during the last 20 seconds of crucial playoff games.

[Stephonit]

Greatest player ever to go 0/8 in go ahead shots during the last 20 seconds of crucial playoff games.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-08-2019/eY2j3S.gif

He's also led his team back from double digit deficits to victories in playoffs games more than 8 times. Who else has done that?

[DoctorP]

will he be the best 3 point shooter ever in 10 years?

[Stephonit]

will he be the best 3 point shooter ever in 10 years?

We cannot be certain because there are so many players copying him. But it's a fairly safe guess he still will be.

[DoctorP]

We cannot be certain because there are so many players copying him. But it's a fairly safe guess he still will be.

he def changed the gaame with his 3 point spamming. a unique player. peaked in okc. :lol

reduced by durant

[Akeem34TheDream]

Its either Steph/Durant/Klay or Dray.

[scuzzy]

wasn't even the 2nd or 3rd best player in any of the past five Finals



still respectable top 40 atg, like Reggie

[Doranku]

I used to be a believer in Steph, and I do think he was very obviously robbed of FMVP in 2015... but he's not who we thought he was during the 2016 season.

He isn't able to deal with the physicality of the playoffs like the other all-time greats. Either his body gives out or his play sees a noticeable decline as the playoffs progress further each year. He simply can't sustain his regular season play over the course of a deep playoff run.

Hate to say it, but Steph really did peak in OKC.

[Stephonit]

wasn't even the 2nd or 3rd best player in any of the past five Finals

still respectable top 40 atg, like Reggie

Merlin was always the power behind Camelot even though it was Arthur looking bold and dashing.

Reggie was never an MVP candidate. +5 to Curry
Reggie never won a ring. +5 to Curry
Reggie never led a team to the best record in the league. +5 to Curry
Curry has more of the common records and superior numbers associated with the kind of play they are known for. +5 to Curry
Curry has done all the above multiple times. x2 for Curry

Reggie led a team to the best record against a championship Bulls team. All indications are Curry could have done even better.

Reggie is a top 40 player? Curry can reasonably placed at number 1.

[Stanley Kobrick]

I used to be a believer in Steph, and I do think he was very obviously robbed of FMVP in 2015... but he's not who we thought he was during the 2016 season.

He isn't able to deal with the physicality of the playoffs like the other all-time greats. Either his body gives out or his play sees a noticeable decline as the playoffs progress further each year. He simply can't sustain his regular season play over the course of a deep playoff run.

Hate to say it, but Steph really did peak in OKC.
I agree with you Doranku. stephen curry peaked in okc and isn't who the media tried to make him out to be

[Wally450]

I'm just here for the laughing emojis 10 years later. Maybe he'll have an iconic playoff moment by then.

[Stanley Kobrick]

I'm just here for the laughing emojis 10 years later. Maybe he'll have an iconic playoff moment by then.
we have been searching for an iconic stephen curry playoff moment for weeks now with no results


feel free to join us in he journey as we dive deep into stephen's career for any notable career playoff moments


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?478880-why-doesn-t-Stephen-Curry-have-any-iconic-playoff-moments

[warriorfan]

I used to be a believer in Steph, and I do think he was very obviously robbed of FMVP in 2015... but he's not who we thought he was during the 2016 season.

He isn't able to deal with the physicality of the playoffs like the other all-time greats. Either his body gives out or his play sees a noticeable decline as the playoffs progress further each year. He simply can't sustain his regular season play over the course of a deep playoff run.

Hate to say it, but Steph really did peak in OKC.

His body “gave out” one time in a freak accident because he back pedaled onto a pool of sweat and slipped and tore his MCL. When has Steph underperformed in the post season? ****ing low iq posr.

[Turbo Slayer]

His body “gave out” one time in a freak accident because he back pedaled onto a pool of sweat and slipped and tore his MCL. When has Steph underperformed in the post season? ****ing low iq posr.

Steph Curry underperformed in the 2016 Finals. Tbh thats the only time Curry has not lived to his usual standards.

[imdaman99]

FTC flight team stand up

[RRR3]

Stop it OP. Just stop it.

[Stephonit]

Stop it OP. Just stop it.

Where did I hear something like that before? Oh yes!

Here: 3:47 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VFNjUyAR_U&t=3m47s)

Guess what? He didn't stop.

[tpols]

if curry is only reggie miller how did he shit so bad on peak Lebron's 2nd team hop dynasty?

:biggums:

I guess Bran is out of top 50 now.

[RRR3]

Where did I hear something like that before? Oh yes!

Here: 3:47 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VFNjUyAR_U&t=3m47s)

Guess what? He didn't stop.
Yeah Michael Jordan never had games like that :roll:

[RRR3]

if curry is only reggie miller how did he shit so bad on peak Lebron's 2nd team hop dynasty?

:biggums:

I guess Bran is out of top 50 now.
LeBron embarrassed him the one time they had similar help :roll:

Thank god for Daddy Durant

[Stephonit]

Yeah Michael Jordan never had games like that :roll:

It used to amaze me that despite lesser players having much weaker results the media kept boosting them. But I've now figured out what the bigger game is. The lesser player currently being pushed on us has no chance of being the best player ever. Jordan's place is safe with that lesser player's fake challenge. That doomed challenge though is being used as a distraction to minimize and get people to ignore the real threat to Jordan. That real threat of course is in the form of Wardell who threatens to upend and overthrow the whole existing order. It will be interesting going forward to see what lengths the powers-that-be will go to to try and thwart him.

[Hey Yo]

His body “gave out” one time in a freak accident because he back pedaled onto a pool of sweat and slipped and tore his MCL. When has Steph underperformed in the post season? ****ing low iq posr.
LOL @ saying he tore his MCL. :oldlol:

That never happened.

[RRR3]

It used to amaze me that despite lesser players having much weaker results the media kept boosting them. But I've now figured out what the bigger game is. The lesser player currently being pushed on us has no chance of being the best player ever. Jordan's place is safe with that lesser player's fake challenge. That doomed challenge though is being used as a distraction to minimize and get people to ignore the real threat to Jordan. That real threat of course is in the form of Wardell who threatens to upend and overthrow the whole existing order. It will be interesting going forward to see what lengths the powers-that-be will go to to try and thwart him.
Curry is absolutely no threat to Jordan anywhere besides your delusion-addled brain.

[Stephonit]

Curry is absolutely no threat to Jordan anywhere besides your delusion-addled brain.

73-9 > 72-10 and 16-1 > whatever best playoffs record Jordan's Bulls were able to come up with. In hindsight it becomes clear the refs stepped in to help Jordan as much as LeBron in the 2016 finals. If the Warriors had won that series, what exactly would Jordan's Bulls have on Curry's Warriors? Seeing and realizing the threat from that close shave to the Jordan/Nike legacy, the media machine has gone all out since then to minimize Curry.

[tpols]

Listen, if you lead 73 win championship dynasties... you're gonna be put up there with the best to ever do it.

There have been supposedly greater players.. *cough* .. that could never reach that threshold with more help.

Just the way it goes fellas...

[RRR3]

This dude legit thinks Stephen Curry is better than Michael Jordan :yaohappy:

[RRR3]

Listen, if you lead 73 win championship dynasties... you're gonna be put up there with the best to ever do it.

There have been supposedly greater players.. *cough* .. that could never reach that threshold with more help.

Just the way it goes fellas...
If we're bragging about regular season win totals now, LeBeast won 66 games with actual trash.

[DoctorP]

73-9 > 72-10 and 16-1 > whatever best playoffs record Jordan's Bulls were able to come up with. In hindsight it becomes clear the refs stepped in to help Jordan as much as LeBron in the 2016 finals. If the Warriors had won that series, what exactly would Jordan's Bulls have on Curry's Warriors? Seeing and realizing the threat from that close shave to the Jordan/Nike legacy, the media machine has gone all out since then to minimize Curry.

gay

[Stephonit]

gay
It seems that on a visceral level you recognize the Curry threat to your Jordan manhood.

[DoctorP]

It seems that on a visceral level you recognize the Curry threat to your Jordan manhood.

Doncic GOAT

[tpols]

If we're bragging about regular season win totals now, LeBeast won 66 games with actual trash.

and he got beat by dwight. :roll:

Imagine the 73 win warriors losing to that.

As it was they were already champions no team hop.

Organic, do you feel me?

[Turbo Slayer]

and he got beat by dwight. :roll:

Imagine the 73 win warriors losing to that.

As it was they were already champions no team hop.

Organic, do you feel me?


he got beat by dwight. Team wise? Yeah. Indivually? No.

LeBron dropped 38.5 points with a TS of 59.1%.

Howard dropped 25.8 points with a TS of 68.9%.

Remind me how Howard "beat" LeBron in the series individually. I'll wait.

[RRR3]

and he got beat by dwight. :roll:

Imagine the 73 win warriors losing to that.

As it was they were already champions no team hop.

Organic, do you feel me?
They lost to the guy who lost to Dwight :roll:

[tpols]

It's on record SVG played Lebron single coverage while dwight caught doubles all year long during those times. he was a shaq like force in the low post.

but even still... losing to dwight & scrubs with a damn near 70 win team is embarrassing.

Chef lost 1 series to Lebron, Kyrie, and Love... BUT it took a suspension and rigging to make happen.

the Dubs beat cleveland in every other sequence by a landslide and ultimately made them give up and dismantle.

[Turbo Slayer]

and he got beat by dwight. :roll:

Imagine the 73 win warriors losing to that.

As it was they were already champions no team hop.

Organic, do you feel me?
beat by dwight Yeah team wise.

The Cavaliers had no C to stop Howard and their PFs werent any good. The Cavaliers had a weak frontcourt. They allowed Hedo to go off.

Also the Magic had deadly 3 point shooting in that series.

The Magic overall 3P% is 41 while the Cavs overall 3P% is 32. So they were hot all series long.

[Akeem34TheDream]

2015 is easily the most asterisk title run ever. Did they even face one healthy team in the playoffs? They were handed a title. It was ridiculous. Like seriously, is there a luckier champion in history?

[RRR3]

:cry: :cry: :cry:
Steph averaged 22 PPG on 40% in the 16 finals. Get mad.

[RRR3]

2015 is easily the most asterisk title run ever. Did they even face one healthy team in the playoffs? They were handed a title. It was ridiculous. Like seriously, is there a luckier champion in history?
Good luck getting ttrolls or OP to acknowledge this though. Those dudes are still seething about 2016 (the one time Steph had a chance to really prove how great he is in comparison to LeBron. The other times Bron was playing with literal trash or Curry had KD to save him). Sad.

[Turbo Slayer]

It's on record SVG played Lebron single coverage while dwight caught doubles all year long during those times. he was a shaq like force in the low post.

but even still... losing to dwight & scrubs with a damn near 70 win team is embarrassing.

Chef lost 1 series to Lebron, Kyrie, and Love... BUT it took a suspension and rigging to make happen.

the Dubs beat cleveland in every other sequence by a landslide and ultimately made them give up and dismantle. Yeah this is why I dont go to ISH too often nowadays... RealGM is my favorite nowadays :facepalm


t's on record SVG played Lebron single coverage Do you even know why teams don't double team LeBron? Because LeBron will always make the smart basketball play.

Dwight Howard has a assist-to-turnover ratio of 0.50. That's below average passing and ball control. Dwight Howard actually has more turnovers than assists (totals) in his career. It's literally a reason why teams double Howard. Because Howard is not a great passer in double team situations and likely turns the ball over more unlike LeBron.

LeBron has an assist-to-turnover ratio far superior. He is obviously an all time great in terms of passing ability/ball control.


damn near 70 win team is embarrassing. You also lack context. What was LeBron James 2nd best player/ and his supporting cast compared to the Magic?


BUT it took a suspension and rigging to make happen. Sure the Warriors may have won the game if Draymond wasn't suspended. Dont forget that Kevin Love was out or Game 3 and the Cavs blew them out without Love.

The opposite is also true. It took LeBron to drop back to back 40 points and a triple double in Game 7 to lead the comeback. Do you think that the Cavs win without LeBron in 2016? Hmm?

[RogueBorg]

If the Warriors had won that series, what exactly would Jordan's Bulls have on Curry's Warriors? Seeing and realizing the threat from that close shave to the Jordan/Nike legacy, the media machine has gone all out since then to minimize Curry.

:coleman:
IF, did you say IF? Every morning a frog wakes up and says, "IF I only had wings, I wouldn't bump my butt everytime I hopped."

[Turbo Slayer]

It's on record SVG played Lebron single coverage while dwight caught doubles all year long during those times. he was a shaq like force in the low post.

but even still... losing to dwight & scrubs with a damn near 70 win team is embarrassing.

Chef lost 1 series to Lebron, Kyrie, and Love... BUT it took a suspension and rigging to make happen.

the Dubs beat cleveland in every other sequence by a landslide and ultimately made them give up and dismantle.


dwight & scrubs

Also you act like losing to the Magic is a joke.

Let's consider the Magic team in 2009.

Dwight Howard was a 3X allstar, 1X DPOY, and had 1 1st All Defensive and 1 1st All-NBA. Don't forget that Howard was on his way to become a top 5 center alltime at the time too.

Lewis was a 2X allstar at the time.

Hedo was MIP in 2008.

Nelson was a 1X Allstar in 2009.

If you even know fit you know that if you surround a dominant center with sharpshooters all around you get a pretty damn good team. Imagine surrounding AD with shooters. Thats a good recipe for a successful playoff run.

But yes, lets call them "scrubs."

[Stephonit]

2015 is easily the most asterisk title run ever. Did they even face one healthy team in the playoffs? They were handed a title. It was ridiculous. Like seriously, is there a luckier champion in history?

From all the talk of injuries to opposing players one might be forgiven for thinking the opposing stars were the ones who were taken out but Curry faced all of the other All-NBA First Team selections—all of whom were healthy—and beat each of them: Davis, Gasol, Harden, and James. When did that happen before?

Saying it was an easy route is ridiculous. All the teams the Warriors faced were the highest seeds they could have faced. That Rockets team for example had both Harden and Dwight. Didn't a certain lesser player get knocked out in a previous season facing a team led by Dwight alone as its star?

Moreover, the Warriors also faced their own adversity. An injury befell one of their most experienced and highest paid players in David Lee. The Warriors were composed of players who were all conference finals first-timers; the absence of such a player should have hurt. It is to their credit they succeeded anyway.

Contrary to the story that the 2015 run deserves question, it deserves praise. The Warriors went end to end leading the league. If one wants an example of a run that deserves an asterisk look at the one which consisted of an uninspiring regular season record, a jaunt through a conference without a proper star and then topped off by a referee assisted victory.

[tpols]

From all the talk of injuries to opposing players one might be forgiven for thinking the opposing stars were the ones who were taken out but Curry faced all of the other All-NBA First Team selections—all of whom were healthy—and beat each of them: Davis, Gasol, Harden, and James. When did that happen before?

Saying it was an easy route is ridiculous. All the teams the Warriors faced were the highest seeds they could have faced. That Rockets team for example had both Harden and Dwight. Didn't a certain lesser player get knocked out in a previous season facing a team led by Dwight alone as its star?

Moreover, the Warriors also faced their own adversity. An injury befell one of their most experienced and highest paid players in David Lee. The Warriors were composed of players who were all conference finals first-timers, the absence of such a player should have hurt. It is to their credit they succeeded anyway.

So true...

Chef beats harden and dwight. "omg its unfair, theyre too easy!"

Dwight and turkeyglue beat peak lebron against tremendous vegas odds.

*crickets*

[fsvr54]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-08-2019/eY2j3S.gif

He's also led his team back from double digit deficits to victories in playoffs games more than 8 times. Who else has done that?

Harden is utter trash :oldlol:

[Turbo Slayer]

Notice how the poster above me didn't respond to my previous posts (#48 and #46). I'[m looking at you tpols.

[RRR3]

So true...

Chef beats harden and dwight. "omg its unfair, theyre too easy!"

Dwight and turkeyglue beat peak lebron against tremendous vegas odds.

*crickets*
Kobe struggled to make the playoffs with Dwight.

[RogueBorg]

Don't forget that Howard was on his way to become a top 5 center alltime at the time too.



I wish I could post a gif of the All State Mayhem guy asking 'Wh-hat?"

In what universe was Dwight on his way of sneaking into and above any of these guys?

Kareem
Chamberlain
Shaq
Russell
Moses
Robinson
Olajuwon
Ewing

No way

[Turbo Slayer]

Kobe struggled to make the playoffs with Dwight. Well first of, Dwight Howard wasnt the same. Howard had back surgery in April of 2012. He was never fully healthy throughout the season. His inability to destroy in the post showed that.

Nash fractured his leg and missed 2 months also.

Gasol had a concussion and a foot injury too. Kobe had a torn Achilles and missed the Playoffs.

Their whole core missed a combined 75 games. They never had the time to develop chemistry and trust. Also note that chemistry issues were apparent between Howard and Nash.

Their coaching wasnt that great either. Gasol was used as a stretch big to space the floor despite his shooting woes. Gasol went from being one of the best post up players to being nonexistent because lack of post ups.

[Turbo Slayer]

I wish I could post a gif of the All State Mayhem guy asking 'Wh-hat?"

In what universe was Dwight on his way of sneaking into and above any of these guys?

Kareem
Chamberlain
Shaq
Russell
Moses
Robinson
Olajuwon
Ewing

No way Sorry. Dwight was on his way to become an alltime great center at the time. Top 10.

[RRR3]

Well first of, Dwight Howard wasnt the same. Howard had back surgery in April of 2012. He was never fully healthy throughout the season. His inability to destroy in the post showed that.

Nash fractured his leg and missed 2 months also.

Gasol had a concussion and a foot injury too. Kobe had a torn Achilles and missed the Playoffs.

Their whole core missed a combined 75 games. They never had the time to develop chemistry and trust. Also note that chemistry issues were apparent between Howard and Nash.

Their coaching wasnt that great either. Gasol was used as a stretch big to space the floor despite his shooting woes. Gasol went from being one of the best post up players to being nonexistent because lack of post ups.
Kobe doesn't get those excuses if we're talking up 2015 Dwight, which ttrolls was :roll:

[Akeem34TheDream]

If you want to give credit to 2015 title then there is NO WAY you can undermine 2016 and 2019 by saying there were injuries. And fyi I couldnt give two shts about Lebron. You cant name me one easier title run. Yeah they faced 4 first team all nba players in 4 different teams. Those players didnt have enough help. Do I really need to list all the injured players? Has there ever been something like that, in HISTORY?

[DoctorP]

dont foret Doncic GOAT

[warriorfan]

Also you act like losing to the Magic is a joke.

Let's consider the Magic team in 2009.

Dwight Howard was a 3X allstar, 1X DPOY, and had 1 1st All Defensive and 1 1st All-NBA. Don't forget that Howard was on his way to become a top 5 center alltime at the time too.

Lewis was a 2X allstar at the time.

Hedo was MIP in 2008.

Nelson was a 1X Allstar in 2009.

If you even know fit you know that if you surround a dominant center with sharpshooters all around you get a pretty damn good team. Imagine surrounding AD with shooters. Thats a good recipe for a successful playoff run.

But yes, lets call them "scrubs."

Nelson didn’t play due to injury. They were playing an And-1 player at starting point in Rafer Alston. Everyone used to call Lewis “Re$hard” because he was the most overpaid player in the league. Hedo...lets be serious for two seconds here, if Hedo Turkgulu was on LeBrons team his fans would freak the **** out. They would be like why is this bum ass garbage man pizza eating sloth eurotrash on LeKings team. He needs more help. You have already exposed yourself as not watching the series. LeBron got his butt kicked and lost as the favorite.

[Hey Yo]

2015 is easily the most asterisk title run ever. Did they even face one healthy team in the playoffs? They were handed a title. It was ridiculous. Like seriously, is there a luckier champion in history?
Imagine losing B2B Finals games and going down 1-2 in the series, to a starting line-up that consists of

Delly
Tristan Thompson
Shumpart
Mozgov

[Stephonit]

If you want to give credit to 2015 title then there is NO WAY you can undermine 2016 and 2019 by saying there were injuries. And fyi I couldnt give two shts about Lebron. You cant name me one easier title run. Yeah they faced 4 first team all nba players in 4 different teams. Those players didnt have enough help. Do I really need to list all the injured players? Has there ever been something like that, in HISTORY?

What rubbish is this? The 2016 injuries to Bogut and Iguodala came into play due to the league intervention that suspended Draymond. I don't hear many complaints about the 2019 finals. Would have been great to see how it would have turned out if Klay managed to avoid injury but those Raptors were legit which they proved by going through tough opposition in their conference and scoring more than the Warriors even with Klay around.

An easier title run is the 2016 Cavaliers run and basically every LeBron run of the past 7 years because he basically gets a bye to the finals. Who were the greatest players LeBron faced in the Eastern Conference from 2013 on? Paul George? Isaiah Thomas? DeMar DeRozan? Curry faced more stars in the 2015 Western Conference alone than LeBron did in 5 years in the Eastern Conference. Indeed Curry faced tougher stars in the 2016 OKC series alone than LeBron did in 5 years in the Eastern Conference!

[RRR3]

Poor OP :(

[ShawkFactory]

What rubbish is this? The 2016 injuries to Bogut and Iguodala came into play due to the league intervention that suspended Draymond. I don't hear many complaints about the 2019 finals. Would have been great to see how it would have turned out if Klay managed to avoid injury but those Raptors were legit which they proved by going through tough opposition in their conference and scoring more than the Warriors even with Klay around.

An easier title run is the 2016 Cavaliers run and basically every LeBron run of the past 7 years because he basically gets a bye to the finals. Who were the greatest players LeBron faced in the Eastern Conference from 2013 on? Paul George? Isaiah Thomas? DeMar DeRozan? Curry faced more stars in the 2015 Western Conference alone than LeBron did in 5 years in the Eastern Conference. Indeed Curry faced tougher stars in the 2016 OKC series alone than LeBron did in 5 years in the Eastern Conference!
So are you just gonna like..purposefully ignore Durant last year?

[Stanley Kobrick]

this thread went quite terribly for stephen curry fans, i feel bad

[RRR3]

this thread went quite terribly for stephen curry fans, i feel bad
Your iconic moments thread really shook OP up. Now he's making insane statements like Curry being GOAT

[Axe]

73-9 > 72-10 and 16-1 > whatever best playoffs record Jordan's Bulls were able to come up with. In hindsight it becomes clear the refs stepped in to help Jordan as much as LeBron in the 2016 finals. If the Warriors had won that series, what exactly would Jordan's Bulls have on Curry's Warriors? Seeing and realizing the threat from that close shave to the Jordan/Nike legacy, the media machine has gone all out since then to minimize Curry.
Sounds like a lame statement coming from a typical spoiled bandwagon fan.

[Kblaze8855]

2015 is obviously weird. They didn’t play a team with its starting point healthy the entire playoffs. Literally all 4 rounds the other point missed some or all of the series. Most wouldnt have made a difference for the record. It’s just weird.

[Axe]

From all the talk of injuries to opposing players one might be forgiven for thinking the opposing stars were the ones who were taken out but Curry faced all of the other All-NBA First Team selections—all of whom were healthy—and beat each of them: Davis, Gasol, Harden, and James. When did that happen before?

Saying it was an easy route is ridiculous. All the teams the Warriors faced were the highest seeds they could have faced. That Rockets team for example had both Harden and Dwight. Didn't a certain lesser player get knocked out in a previous season facing a team led by Dwight alone as its star?

Moreover, the Warriors also faced their own adversity. An injury befell one of their most experienced and highest paid players in David Lee. The Warriors were composed of players who were all conference finals first-timers; the absence of such a player should have hurt. It is to their credit they succeeded anyway.

Contrary to the story that the 2015 run deserves question, it deserves praise. The Warriors went end to end leading the league. If one wants an example of a run that deserves an asterisk look at the one which consisted of an uninspiring regular season record, a jaunt through a conference without a proper star and then topped off by a referee assisted victory.
Did you know that only one head coach has the led the warriors to 3 championships in the last decade? Now why don't you give him some sort of credit at least, instead of saying that he's overrated or something like that?

[RRR3]

2015 is obviously weird. They didn’t play a team with its starting point healthy the entire playoffs. Literally all 4 rounds the other point missed some or all of the series. Most wouldnt have made a difference for the record. It’s just weird.
Blaze, you don’t have ANYTHING to say about this guy saying Curry is the GOAT?

[Kblaze8855]

For the most part the most dedicated and obviously biased fans of most players aren’t worth talking to much. And he’s just projecting on top of it. An unlikely one? Yes. But we have worse trolls than this. It’s not worth an argument.

[SATAN]

Making this thread in advance for 10 years from now.

Good :lol

[warriorfan]

What rubbish is this? The 2016 injuries to Bogut and Iguodala came into play due to the league intervention that suspended Draymond. I don't hear many complaints about the 2019 finals. Would have been great to see how it would have turned out if Klay managed to avoid injury but those Raptors were legit which they proved by going through tough opposition in their conference and scoring more than the Warriors even with Klay around.

An easier title run is the 2016 Cavaliers run and basically every LeBron run of the past 7 years because he basically gets a bye to the finals. Who were the greatest players LeBron faced in the Eastern Conference from 2013 on? Paul George? Isaiah Thomas? DeMar DeRozan? Curry faced more stars in the 2015 Western Conference alone than LeBron did in 5 years in the Eastern Conference. Indeed Curry faced tougher stars in the 2016 OKC series alone than LeBron did in 5 years in the Eastern Conference!

This is the hard truth

[Axe]

"Steve kerr is just an overrated coach."

[Stephonit]

Poor OP :(


this thread went quite terribly for stephen curry fans, i feel bad

Poor lemmings. They still don't understand that they are the ones who are deluded. In their world down is up and up is down, bad is good and good is bad, losing is winning and winning is losing.

[warriorfan]

Poor lemmings. They still don't understand that they are the ones who are deluded. In their world down is up and up is down, bad is good and good is bad, losing is winning and winning is losing.

Bron fans after Curry crushed LeBron’s legacy.

https://media.tenor.com/images/d6eb7c160a0b5a313fa495d38da1fdf3/tenor.gif

[Stephonit]

Sounds like a lame statement coming from a typical spoiled bandwagon fan.

Name me another bandwagon fan of a player who can point to a 73-9 record.



Bron fans after Curry crushed LeBron’s legacy.

https://media.tenor.com/images/d6eb7c160a0b5a313fa495d38da1fdf3/tenor.gif

The ravages or PCTSD are indeed serious, but media manipulation plays a part as well.

[Stephonit]

So are you just gonna like..purposefully ignore Durant last year?

I think the Raptors' championship legit. They had a respectable path to the finals and the league didn't noticeably interfere in their favor. I picked them to make the finals in the east unlike the sea of lemmings that follow the media. Why would I bring up Durant?

[ShawkFactory]

I think the Raptors' championship legit. They had a respectable path to the finals and the league didn't noticeably interfere in their favor. I picked them to make the finals in the east unlike the sea of lemmings that follow the media. Why would I bring up Durant?

Because...he was the best player on the team the Raps beat in the finals? Who was injured in the previous series. No?

Ok

[SATAN]

Imagine actually being that Warriorstan dude posting the same thing over and over again because he has nothing to add to the discussion. You're the boring guy no one actually cares about, man. It doesn't actually help your case.

[RogueBorg]

Sorry. Dwight was on his way to become an alltime great center at the time. Top 10.

I'll buy that.

[Turbo Slayer]

Nelson didn’t play due to injury. They were playing an And-1 player at starting point in Rafer Alston. Everyone used to call Lewis “Re$hard” because he was the most overpaid player in the league. Hedo...lets be serious for two seconds here, if Hedo Turkgulu was on LeBrons team his fans would freak the **** out. They would be like why is this bum ass garbage man pizza eating sloth eurotrash on LeKings team. He needs more help. You have already exposed yourself as not watching the series. LeBron got his butt kicked and lost as the favorite. Notice how you don't downplay the Cavaliers players too b/c agenda.

Let's compare Lewis to Williams. Lewis had more impact on offense and defense than Williams. Lewis had more OBPM and DBPM than Mo Williams (career). Lewis also averaged more than 20 points per game 3 times in his career. Mo Williams never averaged 20 points or more per game once in his career.

Let's compare Hedo to West. Hedo was an Allstar and MIP and All-Rookie while West was never an Allstar and never received any awards. Hedo provided offensive impact while West provided virtually no offensive impact. Also keep in mind after LeBron left the Cavaliers, West was out of the NBA 2 years later while Hedo continued to play for more years.


LeBron got his butt kicked Yeah. LeBron got his butt kicked averaging 38.5 points on 59 TS%. LeBron actually outplayed Kobe Bryant individually.

LeBron- 38.5 points on 59 TS% (ECF series against Magic)

Kobe- 32.4 points on 52 TS% (Finals series against Magic)

LeBron scored more efficiently than the 2009 playoff average (TS%)- +0.28 rTS

Kobe scored inefficiently than the 2009 playoff average (TS%) -0.43 rTS

[Turbo Slayer]

I'll buy that. :rockon:

[warriorfan]

Notice how you don't downplay the Cavaliers players too b/c agenda.

Let's compare Lewis to Williams. Lewis had more impact on offense and defense than Williams. Lewis had more OBPM and DBPM than Mo Williams (career). Lewis also averaged more than 20 points per game 3 times in his career. Mo Williams never averaged 20 points or more per game once in his career.

Let's compare Hedo to West. Hedo was an Allstar and MIP and All-Rookie while West was never an Allstar and never received any awards. Hedo provided offensive impact while West provided virtually no offensive impact. Also keep in mind after LeBron left the Cavaliers, West was out of the NBA 2 years later while Hedo continued to play for more years.

Yeah. LeBron got his butt kicked averaging 38.5 points on 59 TS%. LeBron actually outplayed Kobe Bryant individually.

LeBron- 38.5 points on 59 TS% (ECF series against Magic)

Kobe- 32.4 points on 52 TS% (Finals series against Magic)

Turkgulu never made an all star game

You weren’t even alive in 2009. Cavaliers had Home court and were heavy favorites over the Orlando Magic missing their all star point guard Jameer Nelson.

[Turbo Slayer]

Turkgulu never made an all star game

You weren’t even alive in 2009. Cavaliers had Home court and were heavy favorites over the Orlando Magic missing their all star point guard Jameer Nelson. Still Hedo won MIP and All-Rookie while West didn't win anything awards related.

My bad for the error. Good on you for correcting me on the mistake! :cheers:


You weren’t even alive in 2009. Actually I was born in 2005. Thanks for assuming.


Cavaliers had Home court and were heavy favorites over the Orlando Magic missing their all star point guard Jameer Nelson. All true and all but you got to consider the fact that the Magic had won the regular season series with the Cavs (2-1).

The 2 of those losses were blowout wins for the Magic. The Margin Of Victory was 20.00 points.

The Cavs barely managed to eek out a win winning the game by 4 points.

[Mr Feeny]

Still Hedo won MIP and All-Rookie while West didn't win anything awards related.

My bad for the error. Good on you for correcting me on the mistake! :cheers:

Actually I was born in 2005. Thanks for assuming.

All true and all but you got to consider the fact that the Magic had won the regular season series with the Cavs (2-1).

The 2 of those losses were blowout wins for the Magic. The MOV was 21.75.

So you were 4 years old in 2009. Do you see why people are going to have trouble putting any stock into what you say when it comes to that time period?

[Turbo Slayer]

So you were 4 years old in 2009. Do you see why people are going to have trouble putting any stock into what you say when it comes to that time period? I know. You dont have to put any stock in my words. Hell you dont have to believe me at all.

I know if I'm right or wrong. People can correct me based on my misunderstanding.

[Stephonit]

I know. You dont have to put any stock in my words. Hell you dont have to believe me at all.

I know if I'm right or wrong. People can correct me based on my misunderstanding.

You didn't miss much. If you missed watching Curry though then you are missing out.

[Turbo Slayer]

You didn't miss much. If you missed watching Curry though then you are missing out. Nah man. I actually watched Curry.

He is amazing and fun to watch when Curry is in the zone.

Curry in 2016 was god mode.

Curry ranked #1 in ORAPM and #14 in DRAPM is honestly is pretty damn crazy. Curry was actually a pretty damn good defensive player that year despite being a whole lot of shorter than most NBA players.

http://nbashotcharts.com/rapm?id=695314148

[Axe]

You didn't miss much. If you missed watching Curry though then you are missing out.
🤡🤡🤡

[tpols]

you'll never see more beautiful basketball played than what Curry orchestrated with the Dubs dynasty.

the ball movement... methodical hockey assists... perfect balance of passers and shooters synced as one... volcano mode Chef dropping 40 foot nukes on teams. (and even klay)

Likely will never ever see a dynasty that cohesive or aesthetic again.

[warriorfan]

Still Hedo won MIP and All-Rookie while West didn't win anything awards related.

My bad for the error. Good on you for correcting me on the mistake! :cheers:

Actually I was born in 2005. Thanks for assuming.

All true and all but you got to consider the fact that the Magic had won the regular season series with the Cavs (2-1).

The 2 of those losses were blowout wins for the Magic. The Margin Of Victory was 20.00 points.

The Cavs barely managed to eek out a win winning the game by 4 points.

https://i.postimg.cc/MKzTRtrf/F4196-BC6-57-C3-41-C7-855-D-97-BDE152-CC83.jpg

[tpols]

only bran could lose to dwight & scrubs with a damn near 70 win team. :lol Every single expert picked Cleveland.

Chef "loses" ONE time to Lebron, Kyrie, and Love... much stronger comp.. whoops ass every other time.. and gets his whole career discredited for it.

[Gimmedarock]

Definitely the greatest point guard but not sure about player. Top 10 all time though.

[Turbo Slayer]

https://i.postimg.cc/MKzTRtrf/F4196-BC6-57-C3-41-C7-855-D-97-BDE152-CC83.jpg Yes the Cavs were the favorites no denying that.

But do you even know why the Cavaliers even lost to the Magic?

[warriorfan]

only bran could lose to dwight & scrubs with a damn near 70 win team. :lol Every single expert picked Cleveland.

Chef "loses" ONE time to Lebron, Kyrie, and Love... much stronger comp.. whoops ass every other time.. and gets his whole career discredited for it.

Meanwhile 10 years later we have posters claiming they were 4 years old at the time, trying to hype up Hedo Turkgulu and guys who didn’t even play in the series.

:roll:

[Turbo Slayer]

only bran could lose to dwight & scrubs with a damn near 70 win team. :lol Every single expert picked Cleveland.

Chef "loses" ONE time to Lebron, Kyrie, and Love... much stronger comp.. whoops ass every other time.. and gets his whole career discredited for it.

Yeah they were the favorites but it doesnt automatically that was zero flaws with the Cavs vs the Magic.

The reason why the Cavs lost against the Magic wasnt LeBron's performance. It was the team as a whole. The Cavs had a terrible frontcourt. Big Z was being destroyed by Howard. Big Z couldnt do shit defensively against Howard. Plus, every Cavs player besides LeBron in the series were shooting inefficiently compared to the playoff average (TS%) of 2009. This means that LeBron's supporting cast couldnt do shit offensively in that series.

The Lakers were way more better equipped to deal with Howard. The Lakers had a strong frontcourt of Odom, Gasol, and Bynum.

Howard dropped 26 points on great efficiency against a weak frontcourt (The Cavs)

Howard dropped a measly 15.4 points against the Lakers on lower TS% against the Lakers' strong frontcourt. That's appox 11 points dropoff per game comparing the 2 series.


dwight & scrubs Dwight was surrounded by sharpshooters and Dwight was the DPOY, allstar, all def, all nba in 2009. Also Dwight led the league in rebounding and blocks.

Any person with common sense would see this.

[Turbo Slayer]

Meanwhile 10 years later we have posters claiming they were 4 years old at the time, trying to hype up Hedo Turkgulu and guys who didn’t even play in the series.

:roll: Hedo (a 3rd option) actually had a higher GmSc than Mo Williams (2nd option) in the series.

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In the 2009 Playoffs Hedo had a higher WS/48 than Mo Williams.

Hedo- 0.88
Williams- 0.80

Also Hedo had a higher BPM than Mo Williams and Mo was deemed a negative in BPM in the 2009 Playoffs.

Hedo- 0.8 BPM

Williams- negative 1.0 BPM

Hedo had a higher TS% than Williams too in the 2009 Playoffs too.

Keep in mind that we are comparing Hedo who is a 3rd option to a 2nd option in Williams. Mo Williams actually performed worse in the playoffs than Hedo did.

[warriorfan]

Hedo (a 3rd option) actually had a higher GmSc than Mo Williams (2nd option) in the series.

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In the 2009 Playoffs Hedo had a higher WS/48 than Mo Williams.

Hedo- 0.88
Williams- 0.80

Also Hedo had a higher BPM than Mo Williams and Mo was deemed a negative in BPM in the 2009 Playoffs.

Hedo- 0.8 BPM

Williams- negative 1.0 BPM

Hedo had a higher TS% than Williams too in the 2009 Playoffs too.

Keep in mind that we are comparing Hedo who is a 3rd option to a 2nd option in Williams. Mo Williams actually performed worse in the playoffs than Hedo did.

It’s amazing what not dominating the ball can do for your teammates

[deathawaitu]

It’s amazing what not dominating the ball can do for your teammates

That's why players such as Jordan, Duncan, Kobe, Curry, Shaq has won multiple championship because they know how to get teammates involved and play within a system. They actually make other players evolve into superstars.

Jordan did it for pippen, Kobe did it for Gasol, Curry did it for Draymond, etc

Lebron ball is very limited and very predictable.

[warriorfan]

That's why players such as Jordan, Duncan, Kobe, Curry, Shaq has won multiple championship because they know how to get teammates involved and play within a system. They actually make other players evolve into superstars.

Jordan did it for pippen, Kobe did it for Gasol, Curry did it for Draymond, etc

Lebron ball is very limited and very predictable.

High iq posting

[Stephonit]

if he is so good,then why did lose three game to cavs loseing 4 to 3 to james:lebronamazed:

Why do the lesser player's fans keep bringing it up despite the finals record being 3-1 for Curry? You don't commonly see Curry's fans going "Curry is so good because he beat LeBron James". Curry's fans don't generally bother because it is rather low on Curry's list of accomplishments.

[Stanley Kobrick]

stephen curry blew a 3-1 lead with HCA to matthew dellavedova

[SATAN]

Why do the lesser player's fans keep bringing it up despite the finals record being 3-1 for Curry?

Kerr*

[Axe]

Why do the lesser player's fans keep bringing it up despite the finals record being 3-1 for Curry? You don't commonly see Curry's fans going "Curry is so good because he beat LeBron James". Curry's fans don't generally bother because it is rather low on Curry's list of accomplishments.
Bran is actually the most popular guy that he was able to defeat in the finals.

Outside of that, not much.

[Stephonit]

Bran is actually the most popular guy that he was able to defeat in the finals.

Outside of that, not much.

All the more reason to bring it up then according to your reasoning isn't it? But as I said beating that lesser player just isn't that big a deal.

[Axe]

All the more reason to bring it up then according to your reasoning isn't it? But as I said beating that lesser player just isn't that big a deal.
Probably, idk. But in your case, who's the 'lesser player'?

[SATAN]

Must be Kevin Love. The guy who locked up Curry in the finals.

[Stephonit]

Probably, idk. But in your case, who's the 'lesser player'?

Look at the title of the thread. Every player not named Stephen Curry.

[Axe]

Look at the title of the thread. Every player not named Stephen Curry.
https://media3.giphy.com/media/3ohs7JomJSRdlxaVGg/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a38f4996c98d8cf5b62befa9653bb 5f49de85062d&rid=giphy.gif

[Axe]

Look at the title of the thread. Every player not named Stephen Curry.
Tell me about it.

What was curry's most iconic playoff moment?

[Stephonit]

Must be Kevin Love. The guy who locked up Curry in the finals.

Sports Illustrated ranked Love higher than Curry just before the 2015 season on its annual ranking list. Clearly you subscribed to that media take and haven't been able to shake it because of your reliance on media and not your own faculties which I supposed aren't that reliable either judging from your brilliant observation.

[Stephonit]

Tell me about it.

What was curry's most iconic playoff moment?

I don't know he's had so many of them. It's like asking which was Genghis Khan's most iconic victory.

[Axe]

I don't know he's had so many of them. It's like asking which was Genghis Khan's most iconic victory.
Oh i know. It's the second number on his uniform jersey, i presume.

[SATAN]

I didn't even realize that to be honest. Nor care for that matter. Never read Sports Illustrated in my life. Interesting that you knew that though :coleman: I can't think of many people that actually have Curry in their say...top 5? If fact you and a guy I know that has schizophrenia are the only people.

And LOL@ comparing him to Genghis Khan.

[Stephonit]

Oh i know. It's the second number on his uniform jersey, i presume.

When you win to the extent Curry does, it's the defeats that are more well-known than the victories. Same with The Horde. Same with Napoleon. Are you more familiar with the the Italian Campaign and Jena or Waterloo?

[Stanley Kobrick]

Tell me about it.

What was curry's most iconic playoff moment?
Stephen Curry has no iconic playoff moments that anyone can remember. even Derek Fisher has an iconic playoff moment

[SATAN]

Iconic...in a bad way
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/NegativeElasticAiredale-size_restricted.gif

[Axe]

When you win to the extent Curry does, it's the defeats that are more well-known than the victories. Same with The Horde. Same with Napoleon. Are you more familiar with the the Italian Campaign and Jena or Waterloo?
Yeah, but enough with the analogy. Until the overrated steve kerr came in 2014, curry, at the most, was just a second-rate player. However, he dropped to being a third-rate after kd joined the dubs in 2k16 and won two rings two finals later.

[Stephonit]

Yeah, but enough with the analogy. Until the overrated steve kerr came in 2014, curry, at the most, was just a second-rate player.

2013 Curry had similar numbers to MVP Nash.

[Axe]

2013 Curry had similar numbers to MVP Nash.
So? From 2017 onwards, curry became third-rate courtesy of kd.

[SATAN]

A role player from his own team got a FMVP before him :lol

[Stanley Kobrick]

A role player from his own team got a FMVP before him :lol
in all fairness Curry tends to regress in the playoffs when physicality picks up and refs swallow their whistle. getting outplayed by a teammate along with opposing players is his Finals forte'

[Stephonit]

So? From 2017 onwards, curry became third-rate courtesy of kd.

You're entitled to your fantasies. Maybe you bought the line Curry was having a "down year" in 2017. People who watched though will remember that towards the end of the regular season Curry walked into the houses of most of the NBA candidates that year and did the following:

https://i.imgflip.com/40af84.gif

[Axe]

You're entitled to your fantasies. Maybe you bought the line Curry was having a "down year" in 2017. People who watched though will remember that towards the end of the regular season Curry walked into the houses of most of the NBA candidates that year and did the following:

https://i.imgflip.com/40af84.gif
Well, big kudos to steve kerr for implementing the play because the players wouldn't be able to execute it without his guidance. 👏

Also, isn't this thread a good example of being entitled to one's own fantasies?

[Stephonit]

Well, big kudos to steve kerr for implementing the play because the players wouldn't be able to execute it without his guidance. ��

Also, isn't this thread a good example of being entitled to one's own fantasies?

I guess I imagined the wins and numbers. Maybe they are so good everyone else thought they must have been dreaming.

[Axe]

I guess I imagined the wins and numbers. Maybe they are so good everyone else thought they must have been dreaming.
Oh really? I honestly thought that he would get at least two fmvps in the warriors' title runs but i guess only time had to prove that i am wrong, after all.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTZUFPZ8_uCxqLpyoPuxeOSEhkeky1 MNJhcnHsiFeMZqVr9_PsG&usqp=CAU

[dankok8]

No Steph is not the GOAT but the disrespect on here is real. Not good in the postseason? Really?!?

[brooks_thompson]

Ah man, I’d almost forgotten the pandemonium of kneejerkers proclaiming Curry the best ever during his 15-16 season. It always perplexed me, especially considering Durant’s ‘14 and, later, Westbrook’s ‘17 were just as impressive, if not moreso in Russ’s case.

[Axe]

Ah man, I’d almost forgotten the pandemonium of kneejerkers proclaiming Curry the best ever during his 15-16 season. It always perplexed me, especially considering Durant’s ‘14 and, later, Westbrook’s ‘17 were just as impressive, if not moreso in Russ’s case.
Because their bandwagon fans became prominent due to the team's 73-9 season hype, duh...

[scuzzy]

Because their bandwagon fans became prominent due to team's 73-9 season hype, duh...
Pretty much


15/16 was the media and NBA's maximum effort to push Curry the next 'Lebron James' icon, to milk money off. Unfortunately the plan face planted in a short 12 months and onto Durant/Kawhi they went :lol


Shit even most of the jersey you saw in Warriors new arena were Lakers gear this seas. Front running sports town, always been

[Axe]

Pretty much


15/16 was the media and NBA's maximum effort to push Curry the next 'Lebron James' icon, to milk money off. Unfortunately the plan face planted in a short 12 months and onto Durant/Kawhi they went :lol


Shit even most of the jersey you saw in Warriors new arena were Lakers gear this seas. Front running sports town, always been
Of course. Eclipsing a 72-10 regular season record previously set by the classic 90s bulls dynasty has its own perks, you know. But too bad, this one never ended with a ring in it.

[Stephonit]

Ah man, I’d almost forgotten the pandemonium of kneejerkers proclaiming Curry the best ever during his 15-16 season. It always perplexed me, especially considering Durant’s ‘14 and, later, Westbrook’s ‘17 were just as impressive, if not moreso in Russ’s case.

https://i.imgflip.com/3y5ufa.gif

[tpols]

Pretty much


15/16 was the media and NBA's maximum effort to push Curry the next 'Lebron James' icon, to milk money off. Unfortunately the plan face planted in a short 12 months and onto Durant/Kawhi they went :lol


Shit even most of the jersey you saw in Warriors new arena were Lakers gear this seas. Front running sports town, always been


Chef put up 30 ppg on an unprecedented 125 ORTG leading a 73 win team, coming off a championship.

There was absolutely no other option but for the media to take notice even after snubbing him.

[Stephonit]

Chef put up 30 ppg on an unprecedented 125 ORTG leading a 73 win team, coming off a championship.

There was absolutely no other option but for the media to take notice even after snubbing him.

As a couple of airheads said Stephen Curry won that award two months before the end of the season.

[Turbo Slayer]

It’s amazing what not dominating the ball can do for your teammates Sure so you suggest that LeBron should not be playing on ball at all. Sure that would be a great idea for the Cavs as a whole.

Sure lets take away LeBron's amazing ability of ball control and his incredible ability to pass the ball to the open man. That's a good idea? Handling the ball is one of LeBron's superior gifts. Lets take that out and see what happens.

Also are you suggesting that the Cavs should have gave more touches to Mo Williams? Thats stupid.

After LeBron left the Cavs, Mo Williams 5 year RAPM was negative -2.58. That's ranked 702nd in the NBA! Also all advanced stats conclude that Mo Williams was consistently a negative on offense career-wise. That means that Mo Williams wasnt doing shit offensively to propel the offense individual wise after LeBron left the Cavs.

Mo Williams has quite literally has shown no real ability to lead a team to the Playoffs before LeBron and after LeBron. After 1 year after LeBron left the Cavs in free agency Mo Williams has been relegated to just a role player.

[Turbo Slayer]

It’s amazing what not dominating the ball can do for your teammates When LeBron was out for the Cavs in 2009 and 2010 the Cavs posted a 1-6 record without LeBron James in the lineup whatsoever. Thats roughly a 12-70 record.

In the lone win Mo Williams had a BPM of negative 1.1 despite having having the highest usage of any Cavs player that game.

[Stephonit]

When LeBron was out for the Cavs in 2009 and 2010 the Cavs posted a 1-6 record without LeBron James in the lineup whatsoever. Thats roughly a 12-70 record.

In the lone win Mo Williams had a BPM of negative 1.1 despite having having the highest usage of any Cavs player that game.


Is there a reason we're talking about this lesser player in this thread?

We know the drill. He needs more help. Yada yada yada. That lesser player has stacked the deck in his favor three times since being drafted onto his original team and still hasn't produced a 67-win season. He's simply incapable of getting his team to win as easily as greater players. Shall we move on?

[warriorfan]

Sure so you suggest that LeBron should not be playing on ball at all. Sure that would be a great idea for the Cavs as a whole.

Sure lets take away LeBron's amazing ability of ball control and his incredible ability to pass the ball to the open man. That's a good idea? Handling the ball is one of LeBron's superior gifts. Lets take that out and see what happens.

Also are you suggesting that the Cavs should have gave more touches to Mo Williams? Thats stupid.

After LeBron left the Cavs, Mo Williams 5 year RAPM was negative -2.58. That's ranked 702nd in the NBA! Also all advanced stats conclude that Mo Williams was consistently a negative on offense career-wise. That means that Mo Williams wasnt doing shit offensively to propel the offense individual wise after LeBron left the Cavs.

Mo Williams has quite literally has shown no real ability to lead a team to the Playoffs before LeBron and after LeBron. After 1 year after LeBron left the Cavs in free agency Mo Williams has been relegated to just a role player.

“Lebron is good at handling the ball so that’s why it’s okay to only utilize a simplistic ball dominating system where he doesn’t give his teammates as good as opportunities found in a free flowing offense with ball movement.”

“Here are some advanced stats of post prime mo Williams on awful teams to prove why he wasn’t an all star many years prior”

Low iq posting.

[Turbo Slayer]

Is there a reason we're talking about this lesser player in this thread?

We know the drill. He needs more help. Yada yada yada. That lesser player has stacked the deck in his favor three times since being drafted onto his original team and still hasn't produced a 67-win season. He's simply incapable of getting his team to win as easily as greater players. Shall we move on? Kinda of ironic considering that KD joined the 73-9 Warriors to stack the deck too with Curry too.


That lesser player has stacked the deck in his favor three times since being drafted onto his original team

The 1st time LeBron left the Cavs: Well LeBron was leaving an organization that had no history of winning. His team didn't have a powerful sidekick next to LeBron so LeBron left because of medicore supporting cast.

Also the team poorly drafted players. In 2001, the Cavs selected DeSagana Dip (8th overall pick) who quickly turned into a bust. In 2002, Dajuan Wagner (6th overall pick) and in 2004 the Cavs selected Luke Jackson (10th overall pick).

None of the picks selected turned out to be great picks. In fact all of them never averaged over 10 points a game.

As James quickly developed, the Cavs became too high to have lottery picks because LeBron was too damn good.

Also Cavs failed to make a trade regarding Amare Stoudemire that would have put them over the top in 2010 unfortunately. The Cavs proceeded in 2011 to have the worst record in the NBA without LeBron.

2nd time LeBron left: Well it was pretty obviously that the team was getting old in general. Wade had a history of injuries and the team wasn't getting better. LeBron saw a fresh team over in Cleveland and went there.

3rd time LeBron left: The Cavs had a medicore supporting cast around him (again). Also keep in mind the Cavs were over the luxury tax and salary cap so they couldnt do anything.

He went to a respected organization and front office (The Lakers) to boost his chances of having a championship. Also the Lakers got AD in 2020 FA. Thats more help than any help the Cavs gotten for LeBron.

[Turbo Slayer]

“Lebron is good at handling the ball so that’s why it’s okay to only utilize a simplistic ball dominating system where he doesn’t give his teammates as good as opportunities found in a free flowing offense with ball movement.”

“Here are some advanced stats of post prime mo Williams on awful teams to prove why he wasn’t an all star many years prior”

Low iq posting. Then explain why the 2012-13 Heat posted a better Adjusted offensive rating than the 1992-93 Bulls and some other iterations of the 1990s Bulls if LeBron was so "ball-dominant" on offense as you say. Adjusted offensive rating is the perfect metric for comparing eras when including offense.

2012-13 Heat: 106.04 Adjusted offensive rating

1992-93 Bulls: 104.50 Adjusted offensive rating

1997-98 Bulls: 102.57 Adjusted offensive rating

[AlternativeAcc.]

“Lebron is good at handling the ball so that’s why it’s okay to only utilize a simplistic ball dominating system where he doesn’t give his teammates as good as opportunities found in a free flowing offense with ball movement.”

“Here are some advanced stats of post prime mo Williams on awful teams to prove why he wasn’t an all star many years prior”

Low iq posting.

low IQ is being a 40 yo hermit living in a 200sq ft. cage

Go buy some more bitcoin and lose your welfare money :oldlol:

[Stephonit]

Kinda of ironic considering that KD joined the 73-9 Warriors to stack the deck too with Curry too.



The 1st time LeBron left the Cavs: Well LeBron was leaving an organization that had no history of winning. His team didn't have a powerful sidekick next to LeBron so LeBron left because of medicore supporting cast.

Also the team poorly drafted players. In 2001, the Cavs selected DeSagana Dip (8th overall pick) who quickly turned into a bust. In 2002, Dajuan Wagner (6th overall pick) and in 2004 the Cavs selected Luke Jackson (10th overall pick).

None of the picks selected turned out to be great picks. In fact all of them never averaged over 10 points a game.

As James quickly developed, the Cavs became too high to have lottery picks because LeBron was too damn good.

Also Cavs failed to make a trade regarding Amare Stoudemire that would have put them over the top in 2010 unfortunately. The Cavs proceeded in 2011 to have the worst record in the NBA without LeBron.

2nd time LeBron left: Well it was pretty obviously that the team was getting old in general. Wade had a history of injuries and the team wasn't getting better. LeBron saw a fresh team over in Cleveland and went there.

3rd time LeBron left: The Cavs had a medicore supporting cast around him (again). Also keep in mind the Cavs were over the luxury tax and salary cap so they couldnt do anything.

He went to a respected organization and front office (The Lakers) to boost his chances of having a championship. Also the Lakers got AD in 2020 FA. Thats more help than any help the Cavs gotten for LeBron.

A lot of excuses. Still no 67-win team.

[tpols]

A lot of excuses. Still no 67-win team.

these bran fans are too funny man.

Chef won more with one no name, basement dwelling franchise than Lebron could traveling the world. This dude's team hop game has reached all corners of the USA.

:lol

[Stanley Kobrick]

low IQ is being a 40 yo hermit living in a 200sq ft. cage

Go buy some more bitcoin and lose your welfare money :oldlol:
hey don't bully the welfarefan, it's not his fault showgun gave him bad financial advice

[RRR3]

these bran fans are too funny man.

Chef won more with one no name, basement dwelling franchise than Lebron could traveling the world. This dude's team hop game has reached all corners of the USA.

:lol
Curry has won more than LeBron?

What?


Are you really this delusional?

[AlternativeAcc.]

hey don't bully the welfarefan, it's not his fault showgun gave him bad financial advice

Can't help it bro, got that Chad DNA

I see a loser with no self-awareness and I pounce

I'm enslaved like a rat in a cage. Not literally like Welfarefan but still :lol


and i like how that shogun guy only tells people to buy bitcoin after huge ralleys. He wasn't saying to buy it last month at $4000, but came around when it was $9000

strange

[deathawaitu]

these bran fans are too funny man.

Chef won more with one no name, basement dwelling franchise than Lebron could traveling the world. This dude's team hop game has reached all corners of the USA.

:lol

Curry definitely will be remembered by the fans as the better player than Lebron

Dynasty has a lasting memory and effect.

Curry turned a bunch of nobodies into superstars

[ShawkFactory]

Curry definitely will be remembered by the fans as the better player than Lebron



I don’t care at all about the Lebron vs Curry argument, but this is very very false.

And if you truly believe this then you are setting yourself up for extreme disappointment.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Curry definitely will be remembered by the fans as the better player than Lebron

Dynasty has a lasting memory and effect.

Curry turned a bunch of nobodies into superstars

He won't be remembered at all

If you don't have a FMVP, you never get remembered

[tpols]

Curry definitely will be remembered by the fans as the better player than Lebron

Dynasty has a lasting memory and effect.

Curry turned a bunch of nobodies into superstars

He may not be.

the NBA is an entertainment league. they dont care about anything but $$$ and curry hurt that when they could've had Lebron on top.

Too bad chef did what he did lmao.

[warriorfan]

He may not be.

the NBA is an entertainment league. they dont care about anything but $$$ and curry hurt that when they could've had Lebron on top.

Too bad chef did what he did lmao.

Adam Silver like

https://media.tenor.com/images/d6eb7c160a0b5a313fa495d38da1fdf3/tenor.gif

[Turbo Slayer]

these bran fans are too funny man.

Chef won more with one no name, basement dwelling franchise than Lebron could traveling the world. This dude's team hop game has reached all corners of the USA.

:lol Think before you post. Golden State has been incredibly fortunate enough with their trades and draft selections. Let's talk about the draft selections Golden State did get first. Curry was a fortunate situation with the front office unlike LeBron in his 1st Cleveland stint. (Curry was drafted to a bad team though but was gifted with a great front office that LeBron never had 1st stint)

Harrison Barnes (1st round 7th pick)- He would turn out later on to be 1st option for a Mavericks team in 2018 putting up 19 points. He was All Rookie too.

Draymond Green (2nd round 35th pick)- He would be the 2017 DPOY, 3X All star, Steals champ, 2X All NBA, and 5X All Def)

Klay Thompson (1st round 11th pick)- 5X Allstar, 2X All NBA, All Def, and All Rookie

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Keep in mind that Golden State made good deals too.

GSW got Andrew Bogut who was 2011 Blocks champ, All NBA, All Def, All Rookie in 2013. He was a excellent rim protector.

GSW got Iggy in 2014 who was 1X Allstar, 2X All Def, and Finals MVP eventually.

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Name ONE player who the Cavs drafted a player who overlapped with LeBron's 1st time in Cleveland that came remotely close to the draft selections Golden State made.

[Axe]

I don’t care at all about the Lebron vs Curry argument, but this is very very false.

And if you truly believe this then you are setting yourself up for extreme disappointment.
True. Curry was a nobody before 2013.

[deathawaitu]

I don’t care at all about the Lebron vs Curry argument, but this is very very false.

And if you truly believe this then you are setting yourself up for extreme disappointment.

Well don’t hate me, go hate the fans

I’ll just speaking facts about the majority of the fan base.

At the end of the day curry will be more popular and remembered more

In China it’s all about Jordan Kobe and now curry. No one in Asia really cares much about LeBron

Population in Asia> NA

[Axe]

Chef won more with one no name, basement dwelling franchise than Lebron could traveling the world. This dude's team hop game has reached all corners of the USA.

:lol
Seriously, post like this only make curry look more overrated.

[Stephonit]

Think before you post. Golden State has been incredibly fortunate enough with their trades and draft selections. Let's talk about the draft selections Golden State did get first. Curry was a fortunate situation with the front office unlike LeBron in his 1st Cleveland stint. (Curry was drafted to a bad team though but was gifted with a great front office that LeBron never had 1st stint)

Harrison Barnes (1st round 7th pick)- He would turn out later on to be 1st option for a Mavericks team in 2018 putting up 19 points. He was All Rookie too.

Draymond Green (2nd round 35th pick)- He would be the 2017 DPOY, 3X All star, Steals champ, 2X All NBA, and 5X All Def)

Klay Thompson (1st round 11th pick)- 5X Allstar, 2X All NBA, All Def, and All Rookie

-----------------------------------------

Keep in mind that Golden State made good deals too.

GSW got Andrew Bogut who was 2011 Blocks champ, All NBA, All Def, All Rookie in 2013. He was a excellent rim protector.

GSW got Iggy in 2014 who was 1X Allstar, 2X All Def, and Finals MVP eventually.

------------------------

Name ONE player who the Cavs drafted a player who overlapped with LeBron's 1st time in Cleveland that came remotely close to the draft selections Golden State made.


More excuses.

Who knows how Barnes, Draymond, and Klay would have fared without Curry? Barnes probably would have hung around like he has but with little hope of success. Draymond as a second round pick would have been in danger of quickly dropping off the radar if he wasn't able to find the chemistry he did with Curry. Klay would probably find success but it would still be dependent on getting into a favorable position.

We do know, however, that Jason Kapono led the league in 3-point percentage for two years and won a championship with the 2006 Heat and that Danny Green has won championships on two different teams. There's also Carlos Boozer who was All-NBA and a 2x All-Star. But still we hear the plaintive cries of how the Cavaliers never drafted anyone who could have helped that lesser player!

[Stanley Kobrick]

It seems after 160 replies, not a single user agrees that Stephen Curry is anywhere close to being goat

[Stephonit]

It seems after 160 replies, not a single user agrees that Stephen Curry is anywhere close to being goat

Feel free to keep bumping up this thread Stanley. A decade is a long time and your bumps will go a long way to keeping it active. I just don't know if in your condition it will be healthy for you.

[Axe]

Also there are plenty of 'lesser players' better than curry himself

[Axe]

Feel free to keep bumping up this thread Stanley. A decade is a long time and your bumps will go a long way to keeping it active. I just don't know if in your condition it will be healthy for you.
Gosh why do i suddenly feel the intense heat while you're making this statement

[Stephonit]

Also there are plenty of 'lesser players' better than curry himself

You can make their case for them then.

[Stephonit]

He won't be remembered at all

If you don't have a FMVP, you never get remembered

Yep no one remembers Bill Russell.

[aj1987]

Well don’t hate me, go hate the fans

I’ll just speaking facts about the majority of the fan base.

At the end of the day curry will be more popular and remembered more

In China it’s all about Jordan Kobe and now curry. No one in Asia really cares much about LeBron

Population in Asia> NA

There's probably 10 people in the entire world that agree with you and I'm sure that all of them have a IQ in the single digits. Including you. :cheers:

[Sulico]

No, Steph is not GOAT and the chances that he will be 10 years from now are very thin.
And I say that as one of the biggest Steph's fan.

The real legitimate question is: Is Stephen Curry the best offensive player of all time?
And I think he is. Nobody impacted offensive side of the court more than Steph. Ever.

[Stephonit]

No, Steph is not GOAT and the chances that he will be 10 years from now are very thin.
And I say that as one of the biggest Steph's fan.

The real legitimate question is: Is Stephen Curry the best offensive player of all time?
And I think he is. Nobody impacted offensive side of the court more than Steph. Ever.

Welcome!

Best player/best offensive player—is there really a difference? :pimp:

Sounds like the best player/most important player stupidity created by the media.

[aj1987]

No, Steph is not GOAT and the chances that he will be 10 years from now are very thin.
And I say that as one of the biggest Steph's fan.

The real legitimate question is: Is Stephen Curry the best offensive player of all time?
And I think he is. Nobody impacted offensive side of the court more than Steph. Ever.

Nope. He's definitely not the greatest offensive player.

The greatest offensive player of all time definitely doesn't score 17 points on 19 shots in a game 7 of the NBA Finals. He also doesn't let him team score just 89 points.

[fourkicks44]

I obviously think the premise of the OP is ridiculous. I feel the best of Curry is behind him, sure he will have a few more years as an all-star but he is past his prime.

However, let's not be harsh on OP.

I remember in 2016, during the regular season this board was FILLED with posters claiming he was better than Jordan.

No need to name names or try bump threads you know who you are and there are MANY of you out there...

Not gonna own up to it now tho, huh?

[Stephonit]

I obviously think the premise of the OP is ridiculous. I feel the best of Curry is behind him, sure he will have a few more years as an all-star but he is past his prime.

However, let's not be harsh on OP.

I remember in 2016, during the regular season this board was FILLED with posters claiming he was better than Jordan.

No need to name names or try bump threads you know who you are and there are MANY of you out there...

Not gonna own up to it now tho, huh?

I obviously think the premise of your reply is ridiculous. Curry just had the best 5-year stretch of any basketball player in history—and 2016 was only the second year of that run. But go on.

[Sulico]

Nope. He's definitely not the greatest offensive player.

The greatest offensive player of all time definitely doesn't score 17 points on 19 shots in a game 7 of the NBA Finals. He also doesn't let him team score just 89 points.


This is ridiculous.
Every NBA player had multiple bad games in the playoffs. Taking those 1 or 2 game samples and use them as a defining moments in a 10+ year careers is childish and stupid.

Overall, across his career I never saw anybody impact offensive side of the ball more than Curry. And adv. metrics back my observation up.
But the fact that he is average to above average on D really make his chances against good defenders like Jordan and Lebron dim.

[Sulico]

Welcome!

Best player/best offensive player—is there really a difference? :pimp:

Sounds like the best player/most important player stupidity created by the media.

Thank you.
There is a difference.
Simple example is BPM. Curry can have a better OBPM, but much lesser DBPM and total BPM than LeBron for example.
Curry doesn't change the game on D, his impact on the game comes from his offence, which is remarkable.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Yep no one remembers Bill Russell.

The trophy is literally named after Bill Russell.

Nice example dweeb :oldlol:

[Stephonit]

Thank you.
There is a difference.
Simple example is BPM. Curry can have a better OBPM, but much lesser DBPM and total BPM than LeBron for example.
Curry doesn't change the game on D, his impact on the game comes from his offence, which is remarkable.

His offense affects the D that his team can provide. A player like Draymond for example would not nearly be as effective without the offense Curry can muster.

[Stephonit]

The trophy is literally named after Bill Russell.

Nice example dweeb :oldlol:

I know. Doesn't change the fact he never won the award.

[ArbitraryWater]

I know. He never won the award.

they didn't have it then you idiot lol

[Stephonit]

they didn't have it then you idiot lol

They did have the opportunity to give it to him but instead gave it to the losing Jerry West. What an auspicious beginning for the award! It's been a series of cringe ever since.

[tpols]

they didn't have it then you idiot lol

you guys are reaaallly bad at logic.

the statement said was "if you dont have a fmvp, you wont be remembered"

technically... Bill Russell has a total of zero FMVPs. And as OP has shown you, the award did exist when he was still playing.

OP's case is only growing stronger with you two numbskulls trying to argue in this thread. :lol

[scuzzy]

The trophy is literally named after Bill Russell.

Nice example dweeb :oldlol:


they didn't have it then you idiot lol
:oldlol:

[AlternativeAcc.]

you guys are reaaallly bad at logic.

the statement said was "if you dont have a fmvp, you wont be remembered"

technically... Bill Russell has a total of zero FMVPs. And as OP has shown you, the award did exist when he was still playing.

OP's case is only growing stronger with you two numbskulls trying to argue in this thread. :lol
You're autistic

[Turbo Slayer]

We do know, however, that Jason Kapono led the league in 3-point percentage for two years and won a championship with the 2006 Heat and that Danny Green has won championships on two different teams. There's also Carlos Boozer who was All-NBA and a 2x All-Star. But still we hear the plaintive cries of how the Cavaliers never drafted anyone who could have helped that lesser player!


Who knows how Barnes, Draymond, and Klay would have fared without Curry? And who knows how Curry would have fared without DPOY Green, a great 3 point shooter in Klay, and a underrated role player (Barnes) who would have become 1st option later on in his career. It goes both ways.


Barnes probably would have hung around like he has but with little hope of success. Draymond as a second round pick would have been in danger of quickly dropping off the radar if he wasn't able to find the chemistry he did with Curry. Klay would probably find success but it would still be dependent on getting into a favorable position. All fair points. But the same goes for Curry if Golden State front office didn't draft properly to surround the right pieces around Curry.


We do know, however, that Jason Kapono led the league in 3-point percentage for two years and won a championship with the 2006 Heat and that Danny Green has won championships on two different teams. Yeah. Jason Kapano led the league in 3 point percentage 2 times. That's a fact. What I don't like is misinformation. You make it seem like Jason Kapano was a high volume, high efficiency 3 point shooter who got major minutes. Key words: High volume and major minutes (games played, etc.)

Jason only averaged 0.9 3PA for his career.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kaponja01.html
And if we take a look at the seasons where Jason led the league in 3 point percentage, he only averaged 3.1 3PA in 2007 and 1.5 3PA in 2008. Kapano only averaged 10 Minutes played per game in 2003-04 with LeBron in his rookie year nonetheless.Also Jason Kapano only played 41 games for the Cavaliers in 2003-04 where he would eventually go to CHA in a expansion draft in the following year.
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What!?!?! Danny Green only played in 20 games for the Cavaliers in his rookie season. Besides, he only averaged 6 MP per game in his first year in the NBA. He didn't helped LeBron or the Cavs in LeBron's first stint in Cleveland. He was never a starter until 2012-13 where he got his first major minutes there in San Antonio.

Keep in mind that the Cavaliers waived Green in the next season.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html
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There's also Carlos Boozer who was All-NBA and a 2x All-Star.

Well the Cavs let Boozer become a restricted free agent in the offseason of 2003-04 where Boozer eventually signed with UTA. It is considered a major failure by the Cavs front office to let that man go to FA. So Boozer only helped LeBron in 2003-04 (1 year basically) and didn't help after that.
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Conclusion: Well, we can conclude that the Cavaliers was a shitty front office that virtually did nothing to help support LeBron first 7 years.

[CodeBreaker]

I used to be a believer in Steph, and I do think he was very obviously robbed of FMVP in 2015... but he's not who we thought he was during the 2016 season.

He isn't able to deal with the physicality of the playoffs like the other all-time greats. Either his body gives out or his play sees a noticeable decline as the playoffs progress further each year. He simply can't sustain his regular season play over the course of a deep playoff run.

Hate to say it, but Steph really did peak in OKC.
/thread

[deathawaitu]

There's probably 10 people in the entire world that agree with you and I'm sure that all of them have a IQ in the single digits. Including you. :cheers:

That's okay kiddo

You keep believing in your idol Lebron

There's a reason why it's a consensus that all Lebron fans boys are idiots like yourself

I pray you will make the recovery one day, but highly doubt it since you went full retarded alrdy:cheers:

Facts: Lebron will always be remembered along side with west and baylor when everything is said and done

No shame in that

[Stephonit]

OP's case is only growing stronger with you two numbskulls trying to argue in this thread. :lol

You know how it is tpols. Give them an open and shut fact and they'll still find a way to argue with you. :oldlol:

[aj1987]

This is ridiculous.
Every NBA player had multiple bad games in the playoffs. Taking those 1 or 2 game samples and use them as a defining moments in a 10+ year careers is childish and stupid.

Overall, across his career I never saw anybody impact offensive side of the ball more than Curry. And adv. metrics back my observation up.
But the fact that he is average to above average on D really make his chances against good defenders like Jordan and Lebron dim.

Lets compare LeBron and Curry. I'm not even gonna compare him to MJ, because that would just be unfair.

Career average ORtg in PO's:

LeBron - 116

Curry - 116

Career high ORtg in the PO's:

LeBron - 128

Curry - 125

Career high is OWS:

LeBron - 4.2

Curry - 2.8

LeBron has 7 seasons with a better OWS in the PO's than Curry's BEST

Career high in OBPM in the PO's:

LeBron - 12.8

Curry - 8.3

LeBron has 5 seasons with a better OBPM in the PO's than Curry's BEST

Career average PPG in the PO's:

LeBron - 28.9 PPG

Curry - 26.5 PPG

Career Average TS% in the PO's:

LeBron - 57.9%

Curry - 60.9%

Career average APG in the PO's:

LeBron - 7.1 APG

Curry - 6.3 APG

Career APG/TOVPG in the PO's:

LeBron - 1.97

Curry - 1.8

Career average PER in the PO's:

LeBron - 28.3

Curry - 23

Career high PER in the PO's:

LeBron - 37.4

Curry - 27.1

LeBron has 8 PO runs with a better PER than Curry's BEST

There isn't a single metric or stat which shows that Curry is the better offensive player than LeBron, let alone being the GOAT.

Oh, and LeBron has played over twice as many PO games as Curry has.

Curry is an amazing player, but come on man. The only thing he's the greatest ever to do it is shooting.

[Axe]

Curry has led (or maybe) the warriors to three-straight 60+ win seasons in 2015-17. Having said that however, i'm afraid he's still not worth talking about in any goat conversations.

In fact, his name wouldn't even be recognized as famously he is today without the guidance of steve kerr's head coaching. And like what i said earlier, he's just a second-rate player at the most, overall.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Klay, Dray, and Iggy were always more important to the Warriors success pre-Durant

Once Durant arrived, Curry became 4th rung

People that play the game and have high IQ know this for a fact. Guys like Curry aren't respected and get shut down with ease in finals atmosphere (more physical)

[RogueBorg]

In fact, his name wouldn't even be recognized as famously he is today without the guidance of steve kerr's head coaching. And like what i said earlier, he's just a second-rate player at the most, overall.

You know, I was going to take exception to you calling Curry a second-rate player, then I thought "I can't stand that @$$hole and thought twice....carry on....he's a SCRUB.

[Wally450]

Curry has led (or maybe) the warriors to three-straight 60+ win seasons in 2015-17. Having said that however, i'm afraid he's still not worth talking about in any goat conversations.

In fact, his name wouldn't even be recognized as famously he is today without the guidance of steve kerr's head coaching. And like what i said earlier, he's just a second-rate player at the most, overall.

Thanks captain obvious.

[Stephonit]

Lets compare LeBron and Curry. I'm not even gonna compare him to MJ, because that would just be unfair.

Career average ORtg in PO's:

LeBron - 116

Curry - 116

Career high ORtg in the PO's:

LeBron - 128

Curry - 125

Career high is OWS:

LeBron - 4.2

Curry - 2.8

LeBron has 7 seasons with a better OWS in the PO's than Curry's BEST

Career high in OBPM in the PO's:

LeBron - 12.8

Curry - 8.3

LeBron has 5 seasons with a better OBPM in the PO's than Curry's BEST

Career average PPG in the PO's:

LeBron - 28.9 PPG

Curry - 26.5 PPG

Career Average TS% in the PO's:

LeBron - 57.9%

Curry - 60.9%

Career average APG in the PO's:

LeBron - 7.1 APG

Curry - 6.3 APG

Career APG/TOVPG in the PO's:

LeBron - 1.97

Curry - 1.8

Career average PER in the PO's:

LeBron - 28.3

Curry - 23

Career high PER in the PO's:

LeBron - 37.4

Curry - 27.1

LeBron has 8 PO runs with a better PER than Curry's BEST

There isn't a single metric or stat which shows that Curry is the better offensive player than LeBron, let alone being the GOAT.

Oh, and LeBron has played over twice as many PO games as Curry has.

Curry is an amazing player, but come on man. The only thing he's the greatest ever to do it is shooting.

A whole lot of fancy numbers but the head-to-head is 3-1.

How could that be if those fancy numbers above mean so much? The thing is they don't.

When you have records and wins piling up the way they do around Curry that takes precedence over any other figures.

[Wally450]

A whole lot of fancy numbers but the head-to-head is 3-1.

How could that be if those fancy numbers above mean so much? The thing is they don't.

When you have records and wins piling up the way they do around Curry that takes precedence over any other figures.

Robert Horry has more rings than MJ. Should we recognize him as they GOAT because 7>6?

[Stephonit]

Robert Horry has more rings than MJ. Should we recognize him as they GOAT because 7>6?

Did Robert Horry lead a team to the best regular season record or the best playoffs record?

[Turbo Slayer]

A whole lot of fancy numbers but the head-to-head is 3-1.

How could that be if those fancy numbers above mean so much? The thing is they don't.

When you have records and wins piling up the way they do around Curry that takes precedence over any other figures. And Kawhi Leonard is 1-0 in the Finals against Curry head to head. So Kawhi is better all time BY your logic.

[Wally450]

Did Robert Horry lead a team to the best regular season record or the best playoffs record?

You're moving goalposts now. If we're talking about leading teams, Curry has never burdened the load that LeBron has.

When has LeBron won MVP then lost the Finals MVP to his 6th man?

[Axe]

Thanks captain obvious.
Hey, at least try to be more original than that. Thanks.

[Axe]

You know, I was going to take exception to you calling Curry a second-rate player, then I thought "I can't stand that @$$hole and thought twice....carry on....he's a SCRUB.
Are you even a curry stan to have that kind of sarcastic response or what seems to be like one?

[ncrizzle]

there are some funny posts in this thread. goofy, you might even say

[Sulico]

Lets compare LeBron and Curry. I'm not even gonna compare him to MJ, because that would just be unfair.

Career average ORtg in PO's:

LeBron - 116

Curry - 116

Career high ORtg in the PO's:

LeBron - 128

Curry - 125

Career high is OWS:

LeBron - 4.2

Curry - 2.8

LeBron has 7 seasons with a better OWS in the PO's than Curry's BEST

Career high in OBPM in the PO's:

LeBron - 12.8

Curry - 8.3

LeBron has 5 seasons with a better OBPM in the PO's than Curry's BEST

Career average PPG in the PO's:

LeBron - 28.9 PPG

Curry - 26.5 PPG

Career Average TS% in the PO's:

LeBron - 57.9%

Curry - 60.9%

Career average APG in the PO's:

LeBron - 7.1 APG

Curry - 6.3 APG

Career APG/TOVPG in the PO's:

LeBron - 1.97

Curry - 1.8

Career average PER in the PO's:

LeBron - 28.3

Curry - 23

Career high PER in the PO's:

LeBron - 37.4

Curry - 27.1

LeBron has 8 PO runs with a better PER than Curry's BEST

There isn't a single metric or stat which shows that Curry is the better offensive player than LeBron, let alone being the GOAT.

Oh, and LeBron has played over twice as many PO games as Curry has.

Curry is an amazing player, but come on man. The only thing he's the greatest ever to do it is shooting.

Really? I said "adv. metrics back me up" and you throw bunch of cherry-picked counting stats and team stats at me? Knowing full well that Curry is notorious for things like unselfishness, gravity, off-the-ball play etc.

PO's On/Off

Lebron +10.2
Curry +12.6

Curry impacted his teams more, even though Lebron's fans famous for complaining that Lebron "didn't have enough help".


Best Offensive PIPM (playoffs included)

Curry / 2017 / 8.21
Curry / 2016 / 7.34
Lebron / 2017 / 7.33
Lebron / 2010 / 7.10
Curry / 2018 / 7.03
Harden / 2019 / 6.70
Paul / 2015 / 6.48
Curry / 2015 / 6.41
Lebron / 2013 / 6.32
Curry / 2019 / 6.32

You notice how many Curry seasons in the top offensive Player Impact Plus-Minus? Despite Lebron playing lot more seasons. I wonder why?


NBA Offensive historic RAPTOR (playoffs included)

Curry - 7.0 avg / 10.4 best
Paul - 7.0 avg / 8.2 best
Magic - 6.9 avg / 8.1 best
Stockton - 6.5 avg / 7.8 best
Jordan - 6.4 avg / 9.1 best
Lebron - 6.4 avg / 9.3 best

Another stat, same trend, Curry on top of Offensive part of the stat. This time stat counts since 1976.

[Vino24]

Curry is one of the goat offensive players when he’s not facing LeBeast

[Sulico]

Curry is one of the goat offensive players when he’s not facing LeBeast

I'm not a mind reader, but something tells me Curry is very ok with results of him facing "LeBeast"

[warriorfan]

really? I said "adv. Metrics back me up" and you throw bunch of cherry-picked counting stats and team stats at me? Knowing full well that curry is notorious for things like unselfishness, gravity, off-the-ball play etc.

Po's on/off

lebron +10.2
curry +12.6

curry impacted his teams more, even though lebron's fans famous for complaining that lebron "didn't have enough help".


Best offensive pipm (playoffs included)

curry / 2017 / 8.21
curry / 2016 / 7.34
lebron / 2017 / 7.33
lebron / 2010 / 7.10
curry / 2018 / 7.03
harden / 2019 / 6.70
paul / 2015 / 6.48
curry / 2015 / 6.41
lebron / 2013 / 6.32
curry / 2019 / 6.32

you notice how many curry seasons in the top offensive player impact plus-minus? Despite lebron playing lot more seasons. I wonder why?


Nba offensive historic raptor (playoffs included)

curry - 7.0 avg / 10.4 best
paul - 7.0 avg / 8.2 best
magic - 6.9 avg / 8.1 best
stockton - 6.5 avg / 7.8 best
jordan - 6.4 avg / 9.1 best
lebron - 6.4 avg / 9.3 best

another stat, same trend, curry on top of offensive part of the stat. This time stat counts since 1976.

goat

[tpols]

Robert Horry has more rings than MJ. Should we recognize him as they GOAT because 7>6?

cats like this just make the point.

when did robert horry average 30 ppg, winning MVP awards, leading one of the best dynasties ever?

You HAVE to do better than this, we believe in you.

[Stephonit]

You're moving goalposts now. If we're talking about leading teams, Curry has never burdened the load that LeBron has.

Winning and records. Winning because that is the goal. Records because they sort out the truly exceptional. Both because they are generally objective measures.

Curry never carried the burden LeBron has? Let's get something straight: a lot of stories regarding LeBron and his ability to carry a team are just that—stories.

Here's the real deal:

Contrary to the fiction that is perpetuated, Curry has had tougher opponents than LeBron who had relative cakewalks to the finals in the Eastern Conference. First time James had to carry a team in the Western Conference he didn't make it to the playoffs.

Curry took a team of conference finals first-timers and led them to a championship. LeBron never did that.
Curry won a championship for the team that drafted him before LeBron did.
Curry won a championship in less time even counting the shortcut LeBron took to get one with the Heat.

Curry won more, Curry won in less time, and Curry won with less help over comparable periods than that lesser player.

[warriorfan]

Winning and records. Winning because that is the goal. Records because they sort out the truly exceptional. Both because they are generally objective measures.

Curry never carried the burden LeBron has? Let's get something straight: a lot of stories regarding LeBron and his ability to carry a team are just that—stories.

Here's the real deal:

Contrary to the fiction that is perpetuated, Curry has had tougher opponents than LeBron who had relative cakewalks to the finals in the Eastern Conference. First time James had to carry a team in the Western Conference he didn't make it to the playoffs.

Curry took a team of conference first-timers and led them to a championship. LeBron never did that.
Curry won a championship for the team that drafted him before LeBron did.
Curry won a championship in less time even counting the shortcut LeBron took to get one with the Heat.

Curry won more, Curry won in less time, and Curry won with less help over a comparable period than that lesser player.
High iq post

Chef DinGOAT

[Axe]

Winning and records. Winning because that is the goal. Records because they sort out the truly exceptional. Both because they are generally objective measures.

Curry never carried the burden LeBron has? Let's get something straight: a lot of stories regarding LeBron and his ability to carry a team are just that—stories.

Here's the real deal:

Contrary to the fiction that is perpetuated, Curry has had tougher opponents than LeBron who had relative cakewalks to the finals in the Eastern Conference. First time James had to carry a team in the Western Conference he didn't make it to the playoffs.

Curry took a team of conference finals first-timers and led them to a championship. LeBron never did that.
Curry won a championship for the team that drafted him before LeBron did.
Curry won a championship in less time even counting the shortcut LeBron took to get one with the Heat.

Curry won more, Curry won in less time, and Curry won with less help over comparable periods than that lesser player.
Don't forget to give some credit towards steve kerr for allowing those possibilities.

[aj1987]

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Unselfishness and off ball play aren't "advanced metrics", idiot. Also, I cherry picked? I literally posted every single offensive stat I could find on BB-Ref. Even the one in which Steph Curry is better than LeBron at. Yeah, Curry is not the best offensive player ever. Stop it.

However it's good that you were able to find two obscure stats to "prove" that Curry is a better offensive player than LeBron.


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That's not an offensive stat. If you want to use the offensive On-Off, that's be different. I'll help you out.

2015:

LeBron - +2.5

Curry - -1.7

2016:

LeBron - +12.6

Curry - +1.7

2017:

LeBron - +19.9

Curry - +26.2

2018:

LeBron - +14.1

Curry - +4.6


Outside the outlier in 2017, Curry has had pretty much subpar Offensive On-Off numbers. Heck, dude was negative when he won his first title in 2015.


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This is not even remotely true. Swap LeBron and Curry in the '15 Finals, LeBron sweeps the Cavs. Heck, Curry doesn't even make the Finals in LeBron's place on those Cavs teams. He wouldn't make the Finals on ANY of LeBron's teams, TBH.

Meanwhile, once LeBron beat the 73 win Warriors while leading both teams in every major statistical category, those Warriors were on the phone with KD before even getting into their cars.

There's a reason as to why the guy has never won a FMVP and only garnered 4 FMVP votes in his career.


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This is literally the first time I'm hearing about his stat. Never even heard of it till date.

Did a bit of research on it:

"PIPM is not a gold standard for anything. It is a BPM wannabe stat incorporating an even more questionable luck methodology all devised by a college engineering student.

Instead of calling it the new gold standard. It is probably the worst advanced stats after Hollinger's pulled out of ass PER."

According to PIPM, Green, Lopez, Nurkic, and Irving were all better players than LeBron.

Yeah, if that's a stat that you want to use to prove your point, then good luck with that.

Also, I did a quite average with the PIPM stats that I found here:

https://www.bball-index.com/historical-pipm/

LeBron average Offensive PIPM career average - 5.59

Curry average Offensive PIPM career average - 4.98

Granted, Curry peaked higher than LeBron, LeBron has had a better career average than Curry.

[aj1987]

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Never heard of this star either. Did a bit of research on it:

"I'm not totally dismissing this metric, but looking at the best individual seasons since 2014, I noticed there's no KD season in the top 30. It has Jusuf Nurkic's 2019 season rated higher than any KD season, and higher than Giannis' 2019. It's got Danny Green's 2015 and George Hill's 2015 as more valuable than all but one KD season. It's got 2014 Patty Mills above 2014 LeBron James.

It has 2019 Klay Thompson as a below-league-average player??? 2018 Josh Hart and 2014 Jared Sullinger above 2018 Klay. 2015 Anthony Morrow above 2016 Lillard. I could go on and on.

(I'm looking at the Plus/Minus component, not WAR, so this isn't a minutes played issue).

Like I said, not totally dismissing it, but I wanted to look at it critically and this all jumped out to me."

You found 2 "advanced metrics" which support your argument. However, the eye test and every other stat just proves that LeBron is a better offensive player than Curry. Stop it with the nonsense. Curry is a great player, but he's not even close to being the greatest offensive player.




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Dude BARELY squeaked by LeBron when LeBron was playing with D-Leaguers and Curry was on a 67 win team. Curry didn't even win FMVP that Finals.

Got wrecked the next season and had to call another MVP to his team just to beat LeBron, who was on a mediocre team.

The best and most telling record of Curry's is his FMVP votes. Dude got like 4 votes TOTAL in 5 Finals appearances. That speaks volumes.

[Axe]

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[Stephonit]

Dude BARELY squeaked by LeBron when LeBron was playing with D-Leaguers and Curry was on a 67 win team. Curry didn't even win FMVP that Finals.

Got wrecked the next season and had to call another MVP to his team just to beat LeBron, who was on a mediocre team.

The best and most telling record of Curry's is his FMVP votes. Dude got like 4 votes TOTAL in 5 Finals appearances. That speaks volumes.

Calls winning in 6 games "barely squeak[ing] by" while a victory in 7 in the last couple minutes is deemed the opponent getting "wrecked". You really have to be living in a dream world to expect anyone except the most biased or gullible people to buy this crap.

Curry has always been called too small or not good enough—and he ends up winning and setting records. It's a predictable pattern. The FMVP votes do speak volumes—it shows how biased and useless the award is.

[Sulico]

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It's very convenient that you ignored previous 2 seasons On/Off when Curry had +20 something both years and Lebron was +8 and -2. I start to see a pattern of your arguments.

And yes, PIPM started from Curry's rookie season in 2009-2010, when Lebron was in the middle of his prime, so his average is better. That's why I didn't bring their averages, instead using RAPTOR for that.

I didn't call any stat "gold standart". There is no such thing. My understanding of basketball makes me believe that Steph is the best offensive weapon this league ever had, and I find enough evidence of that in the stats to justify this opinion. It's not like I'm solely basing it on my emotions like Kobe stans for example.
Lebron is very close to Curry though. Close enough to justify opinion that he was better on offense. I can see your argument for that, even though I disagree.

But don't insult my basketball knowledge with dumb and childish statements like:
"Swap LeBron and Curry in the '15 Finals, LeBron sweeps the Cavs. Heck, Curry doesn't even make the Finals in LeBron's place on those Cavs teams. He wouldn't make the Finals on ANY of LeBron's teams, TBH."
This is a statement that you pulled right out of your ass, and it can't be proven or disproven. I can just as easily say the opposite of that about Lebron, but the fact of the matter, nobody knows that.

[fourkicks44]

goat

Na, dog.

You the goat, kid...

[aj1987]

It's very convenient that you ignored previous 2 seasons On/Off when Curry had +20 something both years and Lebron was +8 and -2. I start to see a pattern of your arguments.
Are you a bit slow? I've been using Playoff stats and Playoff stats alone. LeBron wasn't in the PO's last season. Also, just no. Stop lying and making up stats. Curry has never had an offensive On-Off of "+20 something" in the RS. He did it ONCE in the PO's and that was the '17 season. I did post that.


And yes, PIPM started from Curry's rookie season in 2009-2010, when Lebron was in the middle of his prime, so his average is better. That's why I didn't bring their averages, instead using RAPTOR for that.
Again, you went way out of your way to find obscure stats just to justify your argument. I could just as well make up a stat right now, and claim that Jason Kapono is the GOAT.

From my earlier post:


According to PIPM, Green, Lopez, Nurkic, and Irving were all better players than LeBron.

Yeah, if that's a stat that you want to use to prove your point, then good luck with that.


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Well, you can disagree, but anyone who understands basketball knows that LeBron is a much better offensive player than Curry. LeBron is not only of the GOAT scorers, but he's also one of the greatest ever playmakers. Check the efficiencies of players before and after playing with LeBron. Not just that, but the offensive impact that LeBron has on his teams is massive. That should be clear from the offensice On-Off numbers from the PO's that I posted in my previous post.


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Dude, Curry on a 67 win team struggled to win against LeBron/Delly/JR/Shump/etc.. After he got beat, the Warriors ran to grab their phones to beg KD to sign with them. Ignoring all that, we've seen LeBron impact games in ways Curry could only dream of and we've seen that on the regular for nearly two decades. I'm going to stand by it. Curry, in LeBron's place (from his rookie season), makes the Finals ZERO times. Heck, LeBron in the '16 Finals alone had a game better than ANY of Curry's PO games. He had two such games in G5 and G6.


Calls winning in 6 games "barely squeak[ing] by" while a victory in 7 in the last couple minutes is deemed the opponent getting "wrecked". You really have to be living in a dream world to expect anyone except the most biased or gullible people to buy this crap.

Curry has always been called too small or not good enough—and he ends up winning and setting records. It's a predictable pattern. The FMVP votes do speak volumes—it shows how biased and useless the award is.

Again, Curry was going up against LeBron and G-Leaguers. Needed Iggy to step up off of the bench and save him in the Finals. That garbage ass cast around LeBron was enough to take a 2-1 lead against Curry. Honestly, that is quite easily the WOAT supporting cast around a player in any Finals EVER.

As for records, I'm sure that the only records Curry holds are for 3 pointers made. Wait, actually, he's the only UMVP in history to lose a Finals. He's also hold the record for being the MVP on a 73 win team and losing the Finals. Record of losing the Finals after being up 3-1. etc..

[Stephonit]

Again, Curry was going up against LeBron and G-Leaguers. Needed Iggy to step up off of the bench and save him in the Finals. That garbage ass cast around LeBron was enough to take a 2-1 lead against Curry. Honestly, that is quite easily the WOAT supporting cast around a player in any Finals EVER.

That garbage ass cast of G-Leaguers was pretty much the same one playing the previous round that swept the Hawks in the Eastern Conference Finals. I guess the Eastern Conference must be even weaker than commonly thought. Funny how with that lesser player all his teammates and players he's associated with end up having their reputations damaged after playing with or losing to him. You'd have forgotten Wade, Bosh and Love were previously stars in their own right after his fans tore through them. Good thing for Wade he got his ring before or he might not get in the Hall.

If Iguodala saved things in 2015 what are we to make of Kyrie scoring enough in the finals to make him a top 10 all-time finals scorer? Going by the reasoning given for Iguodala Kyrie should have won the FMVP in 2016. But the same people who remember Iguodala in the finals somehow develop amnesia when it comes to Kyrie.



As for records, I'm sure that the only records Curry holds are for 3 pointers made. Wait, actually, he's the only UMVP in history to lose a Finals. He's also hold the record for being the MVP on a 73 win team and losing the Finals. Record of losing the Finals after being up 3-1. etc..

Another example of the mendacious math of the lesser player at work. Counting one event three times. Talk about padding. On the other hand when I say Curry had multiple 67+ win seasons I really am referring to three distinct discrete events. Since you don't seem to know Curry holds the highest playoffs raw +/- since it started being recorded, the highest average PPG record in a playoffs sweep, and is of course on the team with the playoffs wins record. Curry is also a top 10 all-time PPG scorer in the finals but you wouldn't know that from all the calumny hurled his way. Then again those same people sniping at Curry keep pretending he doesn't have a winning record and seem to be suffering some form of mental impairment in general. Must be too traumatized from the beatings he's inflicted.

[Mr Feeny]

Stephen Curry is the greatest player ever
Shut up

[Turbo Slayer]

That garbage ass cast of G-Leaguers was pretty much the same one playing the previous round that swept the Hawks in the Eastern Conference Finals. I guess the Eastern Conference must be even weaker than commonly thought. Funny how with that lesser player all his teammates and players he's associated with end up having their reputations damaged after playing with or losing to him. You'd have forgotten Wade, Bosh and Love were previously stars in their own right after his fans tore through them. Good thing for Wade he got his ring before or he might not get in the Hall.

If Iguodala saved things in 2015 what are we to make of Kyrie scoring enough in the finals to make him a top 10 all-time finals scorer? Going by the reasoning given for Iguodala Kyrie should have won the FMVP in 2016. But the same people who remember Iguodala in the finals somehow develop amnesia when it comes to Kyrie.



Another example of the mendacious math of the lesser player at work. Counting one event three times. Talk about padding. On the other hand when I say Curry had multiple 67+ win seasons I really am referring to three distinct discrete events. Since you don't seem to know Curry holds the highest playoffs raw +/- since it started being recorded, the highest average PPG record in a playoffs sweep, and is of course on the team with the playoffs wins record. Curry is also a top 10 all-time PPG scorer in the finals but you wouldn't know that from all the calumny hurled his way. Then again those same people sniping at Curry keep pretending he doesn't have a winning record and seem to be suffering some form of mental impairment in general. Must be too traumatized from the beatings he's inflicted. I don't want to argue with you (some of it) as they are pointless squabble and trolling. However I will respond to the bolded in quote.

Kawhi has a winning record in the Finals against Curry head to head so he's greater all-time.

[warriorfan]

I don't want to argue with you (some of it) as they are pointless squabble and trolling. However I will respond to the bolded in quote.

Kawhi has a winning record in the Finals against Curry so he's greater all-time.

Sample size

[Turbo Slayer]

Sample size Evidence?
Kawhi is 1-0 against Stephen Curry in the Finals. He has a winning record against Curry in the Finals. Curry had a stacked roster with him in the Finals. Why couldn't he win against Kawhi?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjPi6IcSH_Q

[Turbo Slayer]

BTW the 2019 Warriors were instant favorites to win the title in 2019 (-168 odds)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_preseason_odds.html

[Turbo Slayer]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2019/05/30/nba-finals-expert-picks-win-raptors-warriors-series-mvp/1268472001/

Also most experts picked the Warriors to win in 5 and 6 games respectively. Only one picked the Raptors to even go 7 games and win. Make no mistake about it, the Warriors were major favorites to win the title before the season and before the Finals. Why?

Another link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/05/29/nba-finals-experts-picks-basically-no-one-thinks-raptors-will-beat-warriors/

One would think that the 2019 stacked Warriors would never lose to a Raptors team that went 5 games in the 1st round, went to 7 games in the 2nd round, and went to 6 games in the ECF by far more inferior teams. Also the Warriors were rested after sweeping the Blazers.

What happened in the Finals?

Basketball Reference: https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_preseason_odds.html

[Sulico]

Are you a bit slow? I've been using Playoff stats and Playoff stats alone. LeBron wasn't in the PO's last season. Also, just no. Stop lying and making up stats. Curry has never had an offensive On-Off of "+20 something" in the RS. He did it ONCE in the PO's and that was the '17 season. I did post that.


Again, you went way out of your way to find obscure stats just to justify your argument. I could just as well make up a stat right now, and claim that Jason Kapono is the GOAT.

From my earlier post:


According to PIPM, Green, Lopez, Nurkic, and Irving were all better players than LeBron.

Yeah, if that's a stat that you want to use to prove your point, then good luck with that.


Well, you can disagree, but anyone who understands basketball knows that LeBron is a much better offensive player than Curry. LeBron is not only of the GOAT scorers, but he's also one of the greatest ever playmakers. Check the efficiencies of players before and after playing with LeBron. Not just that, but the offensive impact that LeBron has on his teams is massive. That should be clear from the offensice On-Off numbers from the PO's that I posted in my previous post.


Dude, Curry on a 67 win team struggled to win against LeBron/Delly/JR/Shump/etc.. After he got beat, the Warriors ran to grab their phones to beg KD to sign with them. Ignoring all that, we've seen LeBron impact games in ways Curry could only dream of and we've seen that on the regular for nearly two decades. I'm going to stand by it. Curry, in LeBron's place (from his rookie season), makes the Finals ZERO times. Heck, LeBron in the '16 Finals alone had a game better than ANY of Curry's PO games. He had two such games in G5 and G6.



12-13 POs offensive On/Off

Curry +21.6
Lebron +8.7

13-14

Curry +25.6
Lebron -2.0

Seasons you conveniently excluded.

And this nonsense about Lebron making his teammates better is ridiculous.
Both Love and Bosh, 5th and 4th picks in the draft, star players of their own teams were downgraded to role players with Lebron. Kyrie after leaving Lebron immidiately improved from .56 TS% 3.5 BPM player for years to .600 TS, 7.5 BPM player. Wade turned from 2-3rd best player in the league to 3rd tier star in the span of 2 years.
All while Draymond, 2nd round pick, became star with Curry, Klay, who nobody thought could be anything but spot up shooter, have one foot in the HOF. Bogut revived his career, Iggy, who was washed out 1 time all-star have a chance at HOF now too, and this list goes on and on and on. Ian Clark was on his way to China league, now he's getting 20 min a game in NBA, corpse of Javale's career now playing on Lakers like it's never died.
Steph let's everybody shine. Thats who he is, most unselfish player ever with the best off-the-ball game ever played.
But opposing coaches piss their pants from the thought of Steph getting the ball and catching fire.
Oh and next time opposing coach call box-and-one defense on Lebron, let me know. He's so much better than Curry after all, he must be seeing it in next playoffs, just like Curry saw it in the last one.

[warriorfan]

12-13 POs offensive On/Off

Curry +21.6
Lebron +8.7

13-14

Curry +25.6
Lebron -2.0

Seasons you conveniently excluded.

And this nonsense about Lebron making his teammates better is ridiculous.
Both Love and Bosh, 5th and 4th picks in the draft, star players of their own teams were downgraded to role players with Lebron. Kyrie after leaving Lebron immidiately improved from .56 TS% 3.5 BPM player for years to .600 TS, 7.5 BPM player. Wade turned from 2-3rd best player in the league to 3rd tier star in the span of 2 years.
All while Draymond, 2nd round pick, became star with Curry, Klay, who nobody thought could be anything but spot up shooter, have one foot in the HOF. Bogut revived his career, Iggy, who was washed out 1 time all-star have a chance at HOF now too, and this list goes on and on and on. Ian Clark was on his way to China league, now he's getting 20 min a game in NBA, corpse of Javale's career now playing on Lakers like it's never died.
Steph let's everybody shine. Thats who he is, most unselfish player ever with the best off-the-ball game ever played.
But opposing coaches piss their pants from the thought of Steph getting the ball and catching fire.
Oh and next time opposing coach call box-and-one defense on Lebron, let me know. He's so much better than Curry after all, he must be seeing it in next playoffs, just like Curry saw it in the last one.

Truth. AJ is angry and intellectually dishonest. Actual there’s nothing intellectual about his posts, he’s just dishonest.

[Turbo Slayer]

And this nonsense about Lebron making his teammates better is ridiculous.

All while Draymond, 2nd round pick, became star with Curry, Klay, who nobody thought could be anything but spot up shooter, have one foot in the HOF. Bogut revived his career, Iggy, who was washed out 1 time all-star have a chance at HOF now too, and this list goes on and on and on. Ian Clark was on his way to China league, now he's getting 20 min a game in NBA, corpse of Javale's career now playing on Lakers like it's never died.
Steph let's everybody shine. Thats who he is, most unselfish player ever with the best off-the-ball game ever played.
But opposing coaches piss their pants from the thought of Steph getting the ball and catching fire.
Oh and next time opposing coach call box-and-one defense on Lebron, let me know. He's so much better than Curry after all, he must be seeing it in next playoffs, just like Curry saw it in the last one.

I don't want to argue about Curry vs. LeBron and the on/off stats blah blah. That's not what I want to argue about. I want to argue about the bolded.


Both Love and Bosh, 5th and 4th picks in the draft, star players of their own teams were downgraded to role players with Lebron. Well no. Actually if you do research, Bosh was a 3rd option throughout the Heatles era. Not a role player.

Also Love was a 3rd option for 3 of the 4 years he was with LeBron. Love was also 2nd option in 2018. He was not a role player by any stretch.


Kyrie after leaving Lebron immidiately improved from .56 TS% 3.5 BPM player for years to .600 TS, 7.5 BPM player. Well duh. Kyrie is obviously going to get better stats in general when he moves up to be a 1st option from 2nd option. That's just common sense. Also it speaks volumes to how LeBron was able to make Irving a great player after he left.


Wade turned from 2-3rd best player in the league to 3rd tier star in the span of 2 years. Well conveniently you left out the fact that Wade had a history of injuries with his body. Wade had to get his knee drained in the series against Pacers in 2012. https://www.espn.com/nba/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/7953660/2012-nba-playoffs-miami-heat-dwyane-wade-had-fluid-drained-knee-sources-say

And after the Finals he had to get knee surgery in the offseason. https://www.espn.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/8143398/miami-heat-dwyane-wade-surgery-knee
Also Wade had to sit out 27 games in 2013-14 to take care of his injuries and problems. (1/4 of a season). His knees really messed up Wade as a player. Now granted Wade still showed he was serviceable in 2011 and 2012 but he was never the same in 2013 or 2014 imo.

Wade missed a combined 61 games from 2011 to 2014.

[Turbo Slayer]

And this nonsense about Lebron making his teammates better is ridiculous.
Both Love and Bosh, 5th and 4th picks in the draft, star players of their own teams were downgraded to role players with Lebron.
star players of their own teams were downgraded to role players with Lebron.
BOSH
Per 36 stats in effect

Bosh in Toronto (7 years): 19.7 points
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2004-2010-sum:per_minute

Bosh in Miami with LeBron (4 years): 18.3 points
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_minute

Things worth noting: His 3P%, 2P%, TS% (check advanced) and FG% went up playing with LeBron as 3rd option compared to when Bosh was playing in Toronto as 1st option. His points/per 36 only went down 1.4 points.

Also mainly his shot attempts and most of his advanced stats went down a bit but that’s to be expected when someone takes a smaller role within a team. None of this screams role player. Ball dominance hindering teammates is a myth.

LOVE
Per 36 stats in effect

Love in Minnesota (6 years): 21.1 points
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html#2009-2014-sum:per_minute

Love in Cleveland with LeBron (4 years): 19.7 points
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html#2015-2018-sum:per_minute

Things worth noting: His 3P% and TS% (check advanced) went up and FG% went down (oddly enough).

His shot attempts and most of his advanced stats went down a bit but Love sacrificed his 1st option role to become a smaller part of a team.
Love was the 3rd option in 2015, 2016, and 2017. Love was the 2nd option in 2018 (Love had better 2P%, 3P%, FG%, and better TS%. Also what’s more amazing is that he averaged more 3PA, 2PA, and FGA when comparing his 2018 season to ALL of his seasons in Minnesota! Sidenote: I averaged all of his Minnesota seasons) Links to both the 2018 season and the averages of all of Love’s seasons in MIN: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html#2009-2014-sum:per_minute

And check out 2017-18 by yourself. (Check Per 36) Love had more points on better efficiency in 2018 than all of his years in MIN (averages)

[Turbo Slayer]

Steph let's everybody shine. Thats who he is, most unselfish player ever with the best off-the-ball game ever played.
But opposing coaches piss their pants from the thought of Steph getting the ball and catching fire.
Oh and next time opposing coach call box-and-one defense on Lebron, let me know. He's so much better than Curry after all, he must be seeing it in next playoffs, just like Curry saw it in the last one.

I'm assuming you mean better passer. Forgetting Magic Johnson?

Magic had a better AST/TO ratio than Curry.

Magic was ball dominant for sure but that didn't stop him from being one of the most unselfish players of alltime.

Magic-2.89

Curry-2.12

So that throws out your narrative that Curry was the "most unselfish player ever".

the best off-the-ball game ever played. Debatable for sure but Michael Jordan???

[Stanley Kobrick]

I'm assuming you mean better passer. Forgetting Magic Johnson?

Magic had a better AST/TO ratio than Curry.

Magic was ball dominant for sure but that didn't stop him from being one of the most unselfish players of alltime.

Magic-2.89

Curry-2.12

So that throws out your narrative that Curry was the "most unselfish player ever".
Debatable for sure but Michael Jordan???
high IQ poster

[Turbo Slayer]

high IQ poster Thanks!

[Stanley Kobrick]

Thanks!
keep up the good knowledge, we need many good users like yourself :cheers:

[tpols]

12-13 POs offensive On/Off

Curry +21.6
Lebron +8.7

13-14

Curry +25.6
Lebron -2.0

Seasons you conveniently excluded.

And this nonsense about Lebron making his teammates better is ridiculous.
Both Love and Bosh, 5th and 4th picks in the draft, star players of their own teams were downgraded to role players with Lebron. Kyrie after leaving Lebron immidiately improved from .56 TS% 3.5 BPM player for years to .600 TS, 7.5 BPM player. Wade turned from 2-3rd best player in the league to 3rd tier star in the span of 2 years.
All while Draymond, 2nd round pick, became star with Curry, Klay, who nobody thought could be anything but spot up shooter, have one foot in the HOF. Bogut revived his career, Iggy, who was washed out 1 time all-star have a chance at HOF now too, and this list goes on and on and on. Ian Clark was on his way to China league, now he's getting 20 min a game in NBA, corpse of Javale's career now playing on Lakers like it's never died.
Steph let's everybody shine. Thats who he is, most unselfish player ever with the best off-the-ball game ever played.
But opposing coaches piss their pants from the thought of Steph getting the ball and catching fire.
Oh and next time opposing coach call box-and-one defense on Lebron, let me know. He's so much better than Curry after all, he must be seeing it in next playoffs, just like Curry saw it in the last one.

Jesus...

I knew Lebron's teamwork and chemistry with the Heat was poor, but NEGATIVE?

:biggums:

That tenure was such a massive failure. Baby chef before anyone had really took notice was already lapping him with a no name team.

Imagine if Curry had dwayne ****ing wade and chris bosh from the jump?

If LBJ is top 10, Steph Curry is straight GOAT.

[Turbo Slayer]

All while Draymond, 2nd round pick, became star with Curry, Klay, who nobody thought could be anything but spot up shooter, have one foot in the HOF. Bogut revived his career, Iggy, who was washed out 1 time all-star have a chance at HOF now too, and this list goes on and on and on. Ian Clark was on his way to China league, now he's getting 20 min a game in NBA, corpse of Javale's career now playing on Lakers like it's never died.
Steph let's everybody shine. Thats who he is, most unselfish player ever with the best off-the-ball game ever played.
But opposing coaches piss their pants from the thought of Steph getting the ball and catching fire.
Oh and next time opposing coach call box-and-one defense on Lebron, let me know. He's so much better than Curry after all, he must be seeing it in next playoffs, just like Curry saw it in the last one.


Klay, who nobody thought could be anything but spot up shooter, Well he can do more than being a spot up shooter. Defense and off ball movement is a thing you know?

Two links here that contradicts your quote:

https://walterfootball.com/nbascoutingreport2011kthompson.php

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/West-Coast-Workout-Swing-Part-Four-BDA-Sports--3736/

[Turbo Slayer]

Iggy, who was washed out 1 time all-star have a chance at HOF now too, Well he was in his prime before he went to Golden State. At one point he was avg 20 points a game on the 76ers. Also he never suffered any major injury before joining Golden State. He was selected to All Def 2nd team in 2011.

So much for "washed".

[Stanley Kobrick]

Well he was in his prime before he went to Golden State. At one point he was avg 20 points a game on the 76ers.

So much for "washed".

Iggy was on Team USA in 2012, as well as Barnes, Klay and Draymond in 2016. Bogut too was on the australian olympic team in 2012 and 2016.

[Axe]

the OP and the title itself is very funny in this thread. goofy, you might even say
There. Fixed it for ya.

[Sulico]

BOSH
Per 36 stats in effect

Bosh in Toronto (7 years): 19.7 points
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2004-2010-sum:per_minute

Bosh in Miami with LeBron (4 years): 18.3 points
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_minute

Things worth noting: His 3P%, 2P%, TS% (check advanced) and FG% went up playing with LeBron as 3rd option compared to when Bosh was playing in Toronto as 1st option. His points/per 36 only went down 1.4 points.

Also mainly his shot attempts and most of his advanced stats went down a bit but that’s to be expected when someone takes a smaller role within a team. None of this screams role player. Ball dominance hindering teammates is a myth.

LOVE
Per 36 stats in effect

Love in Minnesota (6 years): 21.1 points
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html#2009-2014-sum:per_minute

Love in Cleveland with LeBron (4 years): 19.7 points
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html#2015-2018-sum:per_minute

Things worth noting: His 3P% and TS% (check advanced) went up and FG% went down (oddly enough).

His shot attempts and most of his advanced stats went down a bit but Love sacrificed his 1st option role to become a smaller part of a team.
Love was the 3rd option in 2015, 2016, and 2017. Love was the 2nd option in 2018 (Love had better 2P%, 3P%, FG%, and better TS%. Also what’s more amazing is that he averaged more 3PA, 2PA, and FGA when comparing his 2018 season to ALL of his seasons in Minnesota! Sidenote: I averaged all of his Minnesota seasons) Links to both the 2018 season and the averages of all of Love’s seasons in MIN: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html#2009-2014-sum:per_minute

And check out 2017-18 by yourself. (Check Per 36) Love had more points on better efficiency in 2018 than all of his years in MIN (averages)


Why you try to mislead me and other readers?

You attempt to compare players averages from 19 y.o. as a rookies to 26 y.o without Lebron to their absolute peaks with Lebron. And act like it's not a big deal that their peak averages look worse.

Love 1 season prior to joining Lebron and right after joining Lebron

36.3 MPG/26.1 PPG/12.5 RPG/4.4 APG/.591 TS%/.245 WS48/8.9 BPM/7.7 VORP
33.8 MPG/16.4 PPG/9.7 RPG/2.2 APG/.562 TS%/.165 WS48/2.7 BPM/3.0 VORP


Same for Bosh

36.1 MPG/24.0 PPG/10.8 RPG/2.4 APG/.592 TS%/.182 WS48/3.6 BPM/3.6 VORP
36.3 MPG/18.7 PPG/ 8.3 RPG/1.9 APG/.569 TS%/.177 WS48/1.3 BPM/2.3 VORP


If drop THIS HUGE is not relegating, I don't know what is.

[Sulico]

I'm assuming you mean better passer. Forgetting Magic Johnson?

Magic had a better AST/TO ratio than Curry.

Magic was ball dominant for sure but that didn't stop him from being one of the most unselfish players of alltime.

Magic-2.89

Curry-2.12

So that throws out your narrative that Curry was the "most unselfish player ever".
Debatable for sure but Michael Jordan???

Why would you assume that?
How is being unselfish connected to number of assists? Russell Westbrook is most selfish player in the league, maybe ever, and he led league in assissts numerous times.

Michael Jordan off-the-ball player??? Are you high?

[Turbo Slayer]

Why you try to mislead me and other readers?

You attempt to compare players averages from 19 y.o. as a rookies to 26 y.o without Lebron to their absolute peaks with Lebron. And act like it's not a big deal that their peak averages look worse.

Love 1 season prior to joining Lebron and right after joining Lebron

36.3 MPG/26.1 PPG/12.5 RPG/4.4 APG/.591 TS%/.245 WS48/8.9 BPM/7.7 VORP
33.8 MPG/16.4 PPG/9.7 RPG/2.2 APG/.562 TS%/.165 WS48/2.7 BPM/3.0 VORP


Same for Bosh

36.1 MPG/24.0 PPG/10.8 RPG/2.4 APG/.592 TS%/.182 WS48/3.6 BPM/3.6 VORP
36.3 MPG/18.7 PPG/ 8.3 RPG/1.9 APG/.569 TS%/.177 WS48/1.3 BPM/2.3 VORP


If drop THIS HUGE is not relegating, I don't know what is. Context matters. Love sat out for 59 games due to a foot injury in 2019. Also Love took some rest in those 59 games. When Love returned he was on restricted minutes. Therefore he had less time in his games to add up points. Also keep in mind Love was coming off a injury and was possibly rusty too.

[Docs Orders]

Turbo Slayer putting on a clinic, easy work :applause:

[Sulico]

Well he was in his prime before he went to Golden State. At one point he was avg 20 points a game on the 76ers. Also he never suffered any major injury before joining Golden State. He was selected to All Def 2nd team in 2011.

So much for "washed".

He was a player widely considered only good because of his athleticism, and as it started to fade, so did his role in his team.

[Sulico]

Context matters. Love sat out for 59 games due to a foot injury in 2019. Also Love took some rest in those 59 games. When Love returned he was on restricted minutes. Therefore he had less time in his games to add up points. Also keep in mind Love was coming off a injury and was possibly rusty too.

Sigh... No injuries. 77 games in 1 season, 75 games in the other.


77 GAMES / 36.3 MPG/26.1 PPG/12.5 RPG/4.4 APG/.591 TS%/.245 WS48/8.9 BPM/7.7 VORP
75 GAMES /33.8 MPG/16.4 PPG/9.7 RPG/2.2 APG/.562 TS%/.165 WS48/2.7 BPM/3.0 VORP

Just admit defeat already and stop quoting me on your insane posts. It's like talking to mental patient. Really exausting.

[Axe]

Sigh... No injuries. 77 games in 1 season, 75 games in the other.


77 GAMES / 36.3 MPG/26.1 PPG/12.5 RPG/4.4 APG/.591 TS%/.245 WS48/8.9 BPM/7.7 VORP
75 GAMES /33.8 MPG/16.4 PPG/9.7 RPG/2.2 APG/.562 TS%/.165 WS48/2.7 BPM/3.0 VORP

Just admit defeat already and stop quoting me on your insane posts. It's like talking to mental patient. Really exausting.
Now whose dup do you actually belong to again?

[Turbo Slayer]

Sigh... No injuries. 77 games in 1 season, 75 games in the other.


77 GAMES / 36.3 MPG/26.1 PPG/12.5 RPG/4.4 APG/.591 TS%/.245 WS48/8.9 BPM/7.7 VORP
75 GAMES /33.8 MPG/16.4 PPG/9.7 RPG/2.2 APG/.562 TS%/.165 WS48/2.7 BPM/3.0 VORP

Just admit defeat already and stop quoting me on your insane posts. It's like talking to mental patient. Really exausting.
Dude you are literally making things up. Here is the 2018-19 game log for Kevin Love Link: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01/gamelog/2019 Kevin Love CLEARLY sat out 59 games and was put on minutes restrictions when he came back shown in the MP column.

[RRR3]

Now whose dup do you actually belong to again?
Probably OP. No one besides known troll warriorfan was backing him up, and he got desperate.

[Docs Orders]

Probably OP. No one besides known troll warriorfan was backing him up, and he got desperate.

yup

Sulico = Stephonit

called in aerial support after the recent beatdowns he's been taking

[Sulico]

Dude you are literally making things up. Here is the 2018-19 game log for Kevin Love Link: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01/gamelog/2019 Kevin Love CLEARLY sat out 59 games and was put on minutes restrictions when he came back shown in the MP column.

As I said before, this is numbers from season prior to joining Lebron and right after joining him.......

So it's 2013-14 and 2014-15. Why the hell are you mentioning 2019?

[Turbo Slayer]

Why you try to mislead me and other readers?

You attempt to compare players averages from 19 y.o. as a rookies to 26 y.o without Lebron to their absolute peaks with Lebron. And act like it's not a big deal that their peak averages look worse.

Love 1 season prior to joining Lebron and right after joining Lebron

36.3 MPG/26.1 PPG/12.5 RPG/4.4 APG/.591 TS%/.245 WS48/8.9 BPM/7.7 VORP
33.8 MPG/16.4 PPG/9.7 RPG/2.2 APG/.562 TS%/.165 WS48/2.7 BPM/3.0 VORP


Same for Bosh

36.1 MPG/24.0 PPG/10.8 RPG/2.4 APG/.592 TS%/.182 WS48/3.6 BPM/3.6 VORP
36.3 MPG/18.7 PPG/ 8.3 RPG/1.9 APG/.569 TS%/.177 WS48/1.3 BPM/2.3 VORP


If drop THIS HUGE is not relegating, I don't know what is.
For Bosh... Well Bosh averaged 21.1 points per game in 2014-15. Thats only a 2.9 PPG dropoff. So your data is wrong. Also Bosh sat out for 37 games too. Link: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html

[Sulico]

For Bosh... Well Bosh averaged 21.1 points per game in 2014-15. Thats only a 2.9 PPG dropoff. So your data is wrong. Also Bosh sat out for 37 games too.

Siiiigh....

No... It's a season prior to joining Lebron and after joining him... So for Bosh it's 2009-2010 and 2010-2011....

[Turbo Slayer]

Siiiigh....

No... It's a season prior to joining Lebron and after joining him... So for Bosh it's 2009-2010 and 2010-2011....

Are you serious? Oh well. Ima post this gif. https://giphy.com/gifs/dumb-dummy-i-feel-h8HmN0UcEKR0xWnv3R

[Turbo Slayer]

Probably OP. No one besides known troll warriorfan was backing him up, and he got desperate.
LOL. Sulico is a lying poster. I will laugh if someone try to have a serious conversation about bball on this forum with him. My god...:facepalm

[Turbo Slayer]

Why would you assume that?
How is being unselfish connected to number of assists? Russell Westbrook is most selfish player in the league, maybe ever, and he led league in assissts numerous times.

Michael Jordan off-the-ball player??? Are you high?

Bruh. Are you trolling?

[Axe]

LOL. Sulico is a lying poster. I will laugh if someone try to have a serious conversation about bball on this forum with him. My god...:facepalm
Well, that's just basically the same curry stan under a different username.

[Sulico]

Are you serious? Oh well. Ima post this gif. https://giphy.com/gifs/dumb-dummy-i-feel-h8HmN0UcEKR0xWnv3R

What the hell are you talking about? This is literally stats from basketball-refference...
What is your game here? What are you trying to achieve?

[Turbo Slayer]

Well, that's just basically the same curry stan under a different username.
:oldlol: Good call.