If lockdowns are lifted b/c it's supposedly safe, ppl have the right to not wear mask

[dreamshake]

If it's supposedly safe to lift lockdowns despite scientific evidence that coronavirus is killing more people by the day, then people should be able to exercise their freedom of not wearing face masks.

The other day, a man shot and killed a security guard because he prevented him from entering the store without a mask. Just think about the chances of getting killed when you go out. Better to just lockdown at home until a vaccine is available. Going out with a face mask is a pain in the ass and defeats the purpose of socializing and meeting. It's hard to even breathe let alone communicate with anyone.

[Hey Yo]

If it's supposedly safe to lift lockdowns despite scientific evidence that coronavirus is killing more people by the day, then people should be able to exercise their freedom of not wearing face masks.

The other day, a man shot and killed a security guard because he prevented him from entering the store without a mask. Just think about the chances of getting killed when you go out. Better to just lockdown at home until a vaccine is available. Going out with a face mask is a pain in the ass and defeats the purpose of socializing and meeting. It's hard to even breathe let alone communicate with anyone.
Actually, it went down like this.


Calvin Munerlyn, 43, died at a Flint hospital after he was shot in the head Friday, said Michigan State Police Lt. David Kaiser.

Ramonyea Travon Bishop, 23, Larry Edward Teague, 44, and Sharmel Lashe Teague, 45, have been charged with first-degree premeditated murder, along with other charges, the Genesee County Prosecutor's Office said in a statement on Monday.

Sharmel and Larry Teague are married, and Bishop is Sharmel's son, according to the prosecutor's office.

"From all indications, Mr. Munerlyn was simply doing his job in upholding the Governor's Executive Order related to the COVID-19 pandemic for the safety of store employees and customers," Genesee County Prosecutor David Leyton said in the statement.

Munerlyn got into a verbal altercation with Sharmel Teague after telling Teague's daughter she needed a mask, according to the prosecutor's office. Surveillance video confirms the incident, Leyton said.

Sharmel Teague's daughter left the store, but "Teague began yelling at Munerlyn who then told her to leave the store and instructed a cashier not to serve her," the prosecutor's office said.
Under an executive order from Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, all retail employees and customers have to wear a mask.

Footage also shows that immediately after the altercation, the woman left in an SUV. But about 20 minutes later, the SUV returned.

Two men -- identified as Bishop and Larry Teague -- entered the store, according to the statement. One of them yelled at Munerlyn about disrespecting his wife, Leyton said. The other man, later identified as Bishop, then allegedly shot the security guard, the statement said.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/us/michigan-security-guard-mask-killing-trnd/index.html

[~primetime~]

There is no law requiring a mask...That was a store policy

If a business wants you to wear mask before entering THEIR place of business...then you should probably wear a fckin mask if you want to go in

Businesses should have the right to better protect themselves against covid if they are fearful of that

[tpols]

This isn't Ameristan. It's America.

government aint muzzling me.

[Hey Yo]

There is no law requiring a mask...That was a store policy

If a business wants you to wear mask before entering THEIR place of business...then you should probably wear a fckin mask if you want to go in

Businesses should have the right to better protect themselves against covid if they are fearful of that
It currently is in Michigan

"From all indications, Mr. Munerlyn was simply doing his job in upholding the Governor's Executive Order related to the COVID-19 pandemic for the safety of store employees and customers," Genesee County Prosecutor David Leyton said in the statement.

[~primetime~]

It currently is in Michigan

"From all indications, Mr. Munerlyn was simply doing his job in upholding the Governor's Executive Order related to the COVID-19 pandemic for the safety of store employees and customers," Genesee County Prosecutor David Leyton said in the statement.

well damn...I guess there is then

Yeah that seems like it would be really hard to enforce, and not sure I support that one. Maybe if Michigan is supplying masks and they are readily available at the doors of every business.

[tpols]

It currently is in Michigan

"From all indications, Mr. Munerlyn was simply doing his job in upholding the Governor's Executive Order related to the COVID-19 pandemic for the safety of store employees and customers," Genesee County Prosecutor David Leyton said in the statement.

it's been government law in many states including mine.

tiddy once again has no clue.

[~primetime~]

it's been government law in many states including mine.

tiddy once again has no clue.

:rolleyes: 7 states

and not mine...

[bigkingsfan]

The illusion of freedom in America still going strong.

[tpols]

:rolleyes: 7 states

and not mine...

well... im sure you'll wear your burqa voluntarily anyway...

[~primetime~]

well... im sure you'll wear your burqa voluntarily anyway...

and I'm sure you'll refuse one...lol

cause this is 'Merica

[Draz]

I think the humane thing to do is just wear the mask and go about your day until scientists come out with a vaccine, whenever that'll be. It's just a plague in our generation we need to own up to. Furthermore, if anyone has an issue with having to wear a mask or take measures like this, find out how this happened to begin with and hold everyone accountable as to why we are the way we are now.

Maybe we wouldn't have had to wear a mask if this was caught and treated right from the start.

[NugzFan]

so your right to not wear a mask is more important than my right to being safe and healthy? wtf?

just wear a mask - its not a big deal. how mentally weak are you people? its like you just want to argue and be upset at things.

"I want to paint my house! I want to get a haircut! screw everyone else! I want what I want! its my right!"

jesus people.

[NugzFan]

I think the humane thing to do is just wear the mask and go about your day until scientists come out with a vaccine, whenever that'll be. It's just a plague in our generation we need to own up to. Furthermore, if anyone has an issue with having to wear a mask or take measures like this, find out how this happened to begin with and hold everyone accountable as to why we are the way we are now.

Maybe we wouldn't have had to wear a mask if this was caught and treated right from the start.

well said. people are just so damn selfish in this country.

[Hey Yo]

The illusion of freedom in America still going strong.
Nice to see ya

[tpols]

and I'm sure you'll refuse one...lol

cause this is 'Merica

damn straight.

anywhere i dont have to, im not.

your texas ancestors that grew up on a far more volatile frontier would be ashamed of your sheepish disposition.

[~primetime~]

damn straight.

anywhere i dont have to, im not.

your texas ancestors that grew up on a far more volatile frontier would be ashamed of your sheepish disposition.
they'd be ashamed over wearing a mask to help prevent spreading a virus?

lol, fck you're dumb

[Levity]

they'd be ashamed over wearing a mask to help prevent spreading a virus?

lol, fck you're dumb

hey! we gotta do things to make america's ancestors proud! that's what matters today

[tpols]

they'd be ashamed over wearing a mask to help prevent spreading a virus?

lol, fck you're dumb


:roll:


*whoosh*

[DoctorP]

some people will ass fuc k an aids-ridden tranny without a condom because god told them to.

let natural selection run it's course.

you can't change stupid.

[tpols]

in their time, they faced far worse disease and physical calamity.

and didnt need to hide to face life.

[~primetime~]

in their time, they faced far worse disease and physical calamity.

and didnt need to hide to face life.
so they had it far worse...and they didn't wear masks....hmm

hmm

hmm

I think you're on to something here tpols...

[tpols]

they didnt wear masks because it didnt matter.

you couldnt ward off smallpox or polio with a piece of thin cloth.

[Doomsday Dallas]

I'm pro-mask but against the vaccine.

we should all be wearing masks.

[NugzFan]

they'd be ashamed over wearing a mask to help prevent spreading a virus?

lol, fck you're dumb

seriously.

does he think hes tough? these people literally are acting like 5 year old children.

"but I dont want to!!"

its a mask. thats it. sensitive little babies.

[NugzFan]

I'm pro-mask but against the vaccine.

we should all be wearing masks.

why would anyone be against the vaccine?

[bladefd]

in their time, they faced far worse disease and physical calamity.

and didnt need to hide to face life.

and..?

[Phong]

they didnt wear masks because it didnt matter.

you couldnt ward off smallpox or polio with a piece of thin cloth.You can't expect a generation of weaklings who need safe spaces not to go on full panic mode.

"I won't feel safe until there's a vaccine. I'm gonna lock myself in until then." :cry:

It's one thing to be concerned and take precautionary measures but they're literally terrified and think the Grim Reaper is waiting on the other side of the door.

[Rocket]

The government does not have the right to make us wear mask but business owners definitely have the right to require people wear them before entering their business.

[dreamshake]

The government does not have the right to make us wear mask but business owners definitely have the right to require people wear them before entering their business.


I'm sorry I thought this was America, that's all.

[Rocket]

You can't expect a generation of weaklings who need safe spaces not to go on full panic mode.

"I won't feel safe until there's a vaccine. I'm gonna lock myself in until then." :cry:

It's one thing to be concerned and take precautionary measures but they're literally terrified and think the Grim Reaper is waiting on the other side of the door.

It is all media narratives now. It has many so scared they will likely just sit in the corner sucking their thumbs being too scared to walk outside. Of course that is fine with me. They are free to sit there in their house wearing their pj's until they starve for all I care. Nobody will force them to leave their houses.

[Stanley Kobrick]

The government does not have the right to make us wear mask but business owners definitely have the right to require people wear them before entering their business.
The beauty of being a business owner in America, the right to 86 any customer for any given reason on your property :cheers:

[NugzFan]

I'm sorry I thought this was America, that's all.

it is.

whats your point?

[Rocket]

I'm sorry I thought this was America, that's all.

????, I am not sure what you are getting at here. Yea it is America. I agree 100% the government cant force us to wear mask. You are free to not wear a mask but store owners can place rules for entry into their stores as long as they are not discriminatory. Have you ever seen a "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service " sign? Requiring a mask for entry is the same thing.

[NugzFan]

It is all media narratives now. It has many so scared they will likely just sit in the corner sucking their thumbs being too scared to walk outside. Of course that is fine with me. They are free to sit there in their house wearing their pj's until they starve for all I care. Nobody will force them to leave their houses.

fair enough.

and for those who mock the stay at home orders, who think its a hoax and who dont socially distance themselves/wear masks, please do not goto a hospital when you get sick.

[Rocket]

The beauty of being a business owner in America, the right to 86 any customer for any given reason on your property :cheers:
:applause: Yep!!!

[Stanley Kobrick]

????, I am not sure what you are getting at here. Yea it is America. I agree 100% the government cant force us to wear mask. You are free to not wear a mask but store owners can place rules for entry into their stores as long as they are not discriminatory. Have you ever seen a "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service " sign? Requiring a mask for entry is the same thing.
must protect your employees :cheers:



NO SOUP FOR YOU!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svSGKJFSl-8

[Axe]

If you don't like masks, i guess people should start wearing helmets most of the time.

[Rocket]

fair enough.

and for those who mock the stay at home orders, who think its a hoax and who dont socially distance themselves/wear masks, please do not goto a hospital when you get sick.
Along the same lines those that want to keep the lockdowns in place indefinitely please do not ask for a personal financial bailout!!!

[~primetime~]

The US has 33.3% of all the world's reported coronavirus cases...and we are 5% of the world's population.

And a big part of that is because we have more spoiled self righteous dipshits than any other country. Think people in other countries feel threatened over wearing a mask? Like they're freedom got ass raped or something? ... we've reached Idiocracy here.

[dreamshake]

I'm sorry I thought this was America, that's all.

[DoctorP]

I see the disinfectant

[DoctorP]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXB5VZtXgAAcK3d.jpg

[Hey Yo]

in their time, they faced far worse disease and physical calamity.

and didnt need to hide to face life.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXS5eFpWkAAvJ0x?format=jpg&name=small

Tony Barnhart@MrCFB

Here is a photo of an undetermined Georgia Tech home game during the 1918 college football season. That's when the sport was hit by the Spanish flu and the end of World War I. The photo was taken by a student, Thomas Carter. It was provided by Georgia Tech alumnus Andy McNeal.

https://twitter.com/MrCFB/status/1257835680157351938

[~primetime~]

lol, the entire stadium is wearing masks...something tells me tpols will ignore that

"This is Merica, not Ameristan!!!"

[DoctorP]

lol, the entire stadium is wearing masks...something tells me tpols will ignore that

"This is Merica, not Ameristan!!!"

of course. TPols bangs crack whores without condoms.

Yet he master bates with a condom on.

go figure.

[Phong]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXS5eFpWkAAvJ0x?format=jpg&name=small

Tony Barnhart@MrCFB

Here is a photo of an undetermined Georgia Tech home game during the 1918 college football season. That's when the sport was hit by the Spanish flu and the end of World War I. The photo was taken by a student, Thomas Carter. It was provided by Georgia Tech alumnus Andy McNeal.

https://twitter.com/MrCFB/status/1257835680157351938So they took some precautions by wearing masks but didn't shut down their entire economy and locked themselves at home? :eek:

[~primetime~]

So they took some precautions by wearing masks but didn't shut down their entire economy and locked themselves at home? :eek:
I mean...in hind sight they probably should have no?

:oldlol:

[tpols]

So they took some precautions by wearing masks but didn't shut down their entire economy and locked themselves at home? :eek:


and not only that... the spanish flu was 10x worse than this. people were really dropping like flies.

life went on.

[Rocket]

So they took some precautions by wearing masks but didn't shut down their entire economy and locked themselves at home? :eek:
I doubt the old timers were ever told they had to wear mask rather they just did it. The very fact that some government officials feel the need to abuse powers they do not really have forcing people to wear mask will make many not want to wear them. Had they simply said they recommend wearing mask for your own protection (without mandates) they would get more participation.

[NugzFan]

Along the same lines those that want to keep the lockdowns in place indefinitely please do not ask for a personal financial bailout!!!

why?

(btw, I am not asking for any handouts nor did I receive a stimulus check)

[NugzFan]

The US has 33.3% of all the world's reported coronavirus cases...and we are 5% of the world's population.

And a big part of that is because we have more spoiled self righteous dipshits than any other country. Think people in other countries feel threatened over wearing a mask? Like they're freedom got ass raped or something? ... we've reached Idiocracy here.

agreed. people crying about wearing a mask because it infringes on their "personal freedom"?? wtf? its just a damn mask. put it on and shut up

[NugzFan]

I doubt the old timers were ever told they had to wear mask rather they just did it. The very fact that some government officials feel the need to abuse powers they do not really have forcing people to wear mask will make many not want to wear them. Had they simply said they recommend wearing mask for your own protection (without mandates) they would get more participation.

literally adults acting like children.

because they are being told to, they just dont want to. 5 year old behavior.

[DoctorP]

literally adults acting like children.

because they are being told to, they just dont want to. 5 year old behavior.

Karens.

[tpols]

agreed. people crying about wearing a mask because it infringes on their "personal freedom"?? wtf? its just a damn mask. put it on and shut up


how bout you stfu.

Over here we believe in a little thing called "freedom"... that you and your comrades over in that socialist hellhole you call Norway know not a damn thing about.

Dont tread on me pal.

[~primetime~]

agreed. people crying about wearing a mask because it infringes on their "personal freedom"?? wtf? its just a damn mask. put it on and shut up

it's just become American culture to whine and complain about anything and everything...

[DoctorP]

how bout you stfu.

Over here we believe in a little thing called "freedom"... that you and your comrades over in that socialist hellhole you call Norway know not a damn thing about.

Dont tread on me pal.

ok karen.

[DoctorP]

it's just become American culture to whine and complain about anything and everything...

karen rules

COVFEFE

[tpols]

what is this karen meme lol

if anything a "karen" would be more likely to be a stickler for the rules and falling in line with anything told to her.

you, and tiddy are like the definition of karen, cowering in place, biting your finger nails all day over this shit. :roll:

[Phong]

I mean...in hind sight they probably should have no?

:oldlol:Considering the virulence of the Spanish flu, its peak mortality age of 28, no vaccine and no antibiotics for secondary bacterial infections, they could have but I suppose they understood that you can't stop living because you fear death. Despite all of this, the Spanish flu only killed an estimated 0.4-0.8% of the US population. I wouldn't consider that catastrophic.

Now with covid-19 which kills mostly old people with underlying issues, you have youngsters, who don't even live in multi-generational households, preaching that everything should be shut down because they fear their own death. OP is constantly whining that people are risking his life while he's been bunkered down at home. :oldlol:

With all the talks of human activity "destroying" the climate, it wouldn't be such a bad thing if a ton of people died, no? It's still wouldn't be enough though. All the people who have died of covid-19 worldwide don't even equate to one-day's worth of births.

[tpols]

Considering the virulence of the Spanish flu, its peak mortality age of 28, no vaccine and no antibiotics for secondary bacterial infections, they could have but I suppose they understood that you can't stop living because you fear death. Despite all of this, the Spanish flu only killed an estimated 0.4-0.8% of the US population. I wouldn't consider that catastrophic.

Now with covid-19 which kills mostly old people with underlying issues, you have youngsters, who don't even live in multi-generational households, preaching that everything should be shut down because they fear their own death. OP is constantly whining that people are risking his life while he's been bunkered down at home. :oldlol:

With all the talks of human activity "destroying" the climate, it wouldn't be such a bad thing if a ton of people died, no? It's still wouldn't be enough though. All the people who have died of covid-19 worldwide don't even equate to one-day's worth of births.

seriously... .8% of our current population would be like 3 million people dying. right now were at 72K.

they didnt shut down, we did.

these sheep dont want to face the numbers.

[DoctorP]

what is this karen meme lol

if anything a "karen" would be more likely to be a stickler for the rules and falling in line with anything told to her.

you, and tiddy are like the definition of karen, cowering in place, biting your finger nails all day over this shit. :roll:

Karens are spoiled complainers

w bad haircuts

covfefe

[Phong]

Karens are spoiled complainers

w bad haircuts

covfefe You mean like those who complain about other people who are out and about in the outside world?

[tpols]

Karens are the office snitch that follow every rule to a T and rat others out for the slightest of infractions. hysterical and over abiding. like yall.

[bladefd]

So they took some precautions by wearing masks but didn't shut down their entire economy and locked themselves at home? :eek:

They shutdown schools, churches, movie theaters.
https://www.businessinsider.com/spanish-flu-pandemic-1918-precautions-us-cities-2020-4

Remember, this was prohibition period so there were no bars. Sports were still pretty new then. Basketball was new, football too. Baseball was not close to its prime. Cruises didn't exist like today, airplanes were still single engine. People didn't shop as much back then - there were no shopping malls then. People didn't own TVs then so there were no TV stations - most didn't even have a radio or a car. Women didn't work back then unless if they were nurses or something so they were already home and kids were home too with schools shut.

What else have we shut that they hadn't? Essential businesses are still running including stores that sell foods, pharmacies, medical equipment.

[DoctorP]

Karens are the office snitch that follow every rule to a T and rat others out for the slightest of infractions. hysterical and over abiding. like yall.

karen wants to see the manager cause she cant cope. the karens want to protest cuz they cant cope w a mask or a shutdown law and wanna see the manager covfefe

and guns

[bladefd]

and not only that... the spanish flu was 10x worse than this. people were really dropping like flies.

life went on.

Life didn't go on. Most of the country was shutdown for almost 2yrs. Schools, churches and public places were closed during the waves that hit. The economy took a massive hit. They would open up after a wave eased off but when new wave hit, they went through closures again.

[Rocket]

why?

(btw, I am not asking for any handouts nor did I receive a stimulus check)

Why??? Because we are in real danger of falling over the economic cliff where there will be no chance of recovering if we have not already reached that point. Regardless of the dangers of the virus people have to get back to work. We have people clamoring for UBI so they can stay in their house in their PJ's until there is a vaccine. This country cannot afford to bail everyone out. Let everyone who wants to do so go back to work. Those that are too scared can stay in their houses until they starve to death for all I care. Nobody will make anyone who does not want to do so come out just let everyone who does do it.

If you did not get a stimulus check then you either make over $99k (EXTREMELY doubtful) or you are still claimed by someone else as a dependent(much more likely). Look kid, there is nothing free in this world. Young people seem to love the Bernie Bro. bullcrap of everything will be free and someone else will pay for it. This country is almost 25 Trillion in debt. Their is no money fairy. All government money comes from taxing people and we are in more debt than we can ever repay already. The government cannot afford for everyone to be bailed out over and over. When this country comes tumbling down due to an economic collapse EVERYONE will suffer. Now get up, get off your ass, and get a job so your parents do not have to keep supporting you. Do not sit and wait for government handouts.

[tpols]

Why??? Because we are in real danger of falling over the economic cliff where there will be no chance of recovering if we have not already reached that point. Regardless of the dangers of the virus people have to get back to work. We have people clamoring for UBI so they can stay in their house in their PJ's until there is a vaccine. This country cannot afford to bail everyone out. Let everyone who wants to do so go back to work. Those that are too scared can stay in their houses until they starve to death for all I care. Nobody will make anyone who does not want to do so come out just let everyone who does do it.

If you did not get a stimulus check then you either make over $99k (EXTREMELY doubtful) or you are still claimed by someone else as a dependent(much more likely). Look kid, there is nothing free in this world. Young people seem to love the Bernie Bro. bullcrap of everything will be free and someone else will pay for it. This country is almost 25 Trillion in debt. Their is no money fairy. All government money comes from taxing people and we are in more debt than we can ever repay already. The government cannot afford for everyone to be bailed out over and over. When this country comes tumbling down due to an economic collapse EVERYONE will suffer. Now get up, get off your ass, and get a job so your parents do not have to keep supporting you. Do not sit and wait for government handouts.

thats so true...

the economic fallout from this is so much worse than even the actual cause of it all.

If the economy truly topples over... forget 72K... hundreds of millions of people will die due to violence, starvation, suicide, lack of access to meds for other conditions...

it's insane. These idiot sheep cant see the forest for the trees.

[NugzFan]

how bout you stfu.

Over here we believe in a little thing called "freedom"... that you and your comrades over in that socialist hellhole you call Norway know not a damn thing about.

Dont tread on me pal.

lol. what freedom are you worried about? freedom to not wear a mask? freedom to get a haircut? what the hell are you crying about?

one freedom that I do care about is freedom of not getting any diseases from other people. my health is more important than your meaningless wants.

and why the hell do people keep thinking im from norway?

[NugzFan]

it's just become American culture to whine and complain about anything and everything...

no kidding. they just want to be upset. they want to scream "what about mah rights?! this is murica!!"

[NugzFan]

Why??? Because we are in real danger of falling over the economic cliff where there will be no chance of recovering if we have not already reached that point. Regardless of the dangers of the virus people have to get back to work. We have people clamoring for UBI so they can stay in their house in their PJ's until there is a vaccine. This country cannot afford to bail everyone out. Let everyone who wants to do so go back to work. Those that are too scared can stay in their houses until they starve to death for all I care. Nobody will make anyone who does not want to do so come out just let everyone who does do it.

there wont be any jobs or people to shop at stores if we are all sick.


If you did not get a stimulus check then you either make over $99k (EXTREMELY doubtful) or you are still claimed by someone else as a dependent(much more likely).

why is it doubtful that I make over 99k?
why is it more likely that I claimed by someone else?
what is this based on?


Look kid, there is nothing free in this world. Young people seem to love the Bernie Bro. bullcrap of everything will be free and someone else will pay for it. This country is almost 25 Trillion in debt. Their is no money fairy. All government money comes from taxing people and we are in more debt than we can ever repay already. The government cannot afford for everyone to be bailed out over and over. When this country comes tumbling down due to an economic collapse EVERYONE will suffer. Now get up, get off your ass, and get a job so your parents do not have to keep supporting you. Do not sit and wait for government handouts.

oh this is just too good. :oldlol:
especially after I just said I got no help and no stimulus check. I got $0.

[Phong]

one freedom that I do care about is freedom of not getting any diseases from other people. my health is more important than your meaningless wants. If you choose to lock yourself at home, how are you going to get sick from people going about their business? Nobody is forcing you to go outside.


there wont be any jobs or people to shop at stores if we are all sick.All sick? The vast majority of those who are infected are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms and recover quickly.


and why the hell do people keep thinking im from norway?NugzFan
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Norway I guess? <--- :confusedshrug:
Posts: 7,319

[tpols]

and why the hell do people keep thinking im from norway?

check your location: dummy

:facepalm

[NugzFan]

If you choose to lock yourself at home, how are you going to get sick from people going about their business? Nobody is forcing you to go outside.

but if we let up all the restrictions its just going to allow covid is spread once again. its not like we have two types of stores - one for sick people and one for healthy.


All sick? The vast majority of those who are infected are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms and recover quickly.

people who have it and are asymptomatic still can pass it along to others.


NugzFan
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Norway I guess? <--- :confusedshrug:
Posts: 7,319

oh that was a joke! :oldlol: a few weeks ago someone kept mentioning they thought I was a nuggets fan from norway and I was like wtf? Ive never been there or ever mentioned it so it was very odd assumption. so as a joke I just changed it. but I forgot I did that so when you brought up norway again I was very confused!

[Phong]

but if we let up all the restrictions its just going to allow covid is spread once again. its not like we have two types of stores - one for sick people and one for healthy.If the government removes all restrictions, some people will still take steps to protect themselves outside. You can still choose to stay home if you're that fearful for your life.



people who have it and are asymptomatic still can pass it along to others. You were saying that nobody would be outside to work or shop anyway. You can't expect covid-19 to completely disappear before you have to resume your life. What if there's no vaccine for the next 5 years?



oh that was a joke! :oldlol: a few weeks ago someone kept mentioning they thought I was a nuggets fan from norway and I was like wtf? Ive never been there or ever mentioned it so it was very odd assumption. so as a joke I just changed it. but I forgot I did that so when you brought up norway again I was very confused! I'm not the one who brought it up but whatever.

[iamgine]

If lockdowns are lifted b/c it's supposedly safe, ppl have the right to not wear mask

what kind of logic is this :lol

It would be like saying, if buildings are safe, they have the right to not have fire exits and extinguishers.

[NugzFan]

If the government removes all restrictions, some people will still take steps to protect themselves outside. You can still choose to stay home if you're that fearful for your life.

You were saying that nobody would be outside to work or shop anyway. You can't expect covid-19 to completely disappear before you have to resume your life. What if there's no vaccine for the next 5 years?

no but id like to keep social distancing going as long as we can to really slow down the spread. I think we can go a couple more months.


I'm not the one who brought it up but whatever.

I wasnt blaming you. just confused. I thought for the second time people thought I was randomly for norway. just a funny misunderstanding.

[Axe]

but if we let up all the restrictions its just going to allow covid is spread once again. its not like we have two types of stores - one for sick people and one for healthy.



people who have it and are asymptomatic still can pass it along to others.



oh that was a joke! :oldlol: a few weeks ago someone kept mentioning they thought I was a nuggets fan from norway and I was like wtf? Ive never been there or ever mentioned it so it was very odd assumption. so as a joke I just changed it. but I forgot I did that so when you brought up norway again I was very confused!
Wow cool story bro

[NugzFan]

Wow cool story bro

thanks. next time someone mentions im from norway ill just go along with it.

[Hawker]

I don't think the government has the legal ability to force wearing masks in public and I do think its overblown for the government to expect people to do it and an absolute government overreach to punish anyone for not wearing one.

If a private establishment wants you to wear a mask, you should abide and wear one. Wearing a mask inside a grocery store is not a big deal and to be honest, wearing a mask does make logical medical sense.

[warriorfan]

America should just instate sharia law and we can all be forced to wear full masks and turbins

Progress

[tpols]

America should just instate sharia law and we can all be forced to wear full masks and turbins

Progress

:roll:

[n00bie]

What exactly is the issue with Americans and masks?? They aren't used to keep you from getting sick, but they are used to stop the spread of virus since a lot of people with this virus has no symptoms. Asian countries all wear masks because they understand this.

Is it because Americans are self centered and only care about themselves? Or is it because they think they look "stupid" with a mask on?

[n00bie]

America should just instate sharia law and we can all be forced to wear full masks and turbins

Progress

Except wearing something on the top of your head doesn't stop the spread of a virus. :facepalm

[bladefd]

What exactly is the issue with Americans and masks?? They aren't used to keep you from getting sick, but they are used to stop the spread of virus since a lot of people with this virus has no symptoms. Asian countries all wear masks because they understand this.

Is it because Americans are self centered and only care about themselves? Or is it because they think they look "stupid" with a mask on?

Pretty much both. And don't forget another reason - Americans think a virus cannot affect them because they are so strong and great. Strong people don't need to protect themselves because the virus will be scared into submission by strong Americans.

[rawimpact]

thanks. next time someone mentions im from norway ill just go along with it.

wasnt that kurple or whoever?

[Levity]

wasnt that kurple or whoever?

i think so. him or nuggetsfan

[NugzFan]

wasnt that kurple or whoever?

yes

funny you mentioned him, we were just hanging out last night in trondheim, only a few minutes from where I live.

[Hawker]

What exactly is the issue with Americans and masks?? They aren't used to keep you from getting sick, but they are used to stop the spread of virus since a lot of people with this virus has no symptoms. Asian countries all wear masks because they understand this.

Is it because Americans are self centered and only care about themselves? Or is it because they think they look "stupid" with a mask on?

Asians also wear masks for no particular reason in western countries.

It's not just the US where masks aren't being worn dude. Some americans just like to self-hate though.

[Patrick Chewing]

America should just instate sharia law and we can all be forced to wear full masks and turbins

Progress

https://media.giphy.com/media/23BST5FQOc8k8/giphy.gif

[Patrick Chewing]

What exactly is the issue with Americans and masks?? They aren't used to keep you from getting sick, but they are used to stop the spread of virus since a lot of people with this virus has no symptoms. Asian countries all wear masks because they understand this.

Is it because Americans are self centered and only care about themselves? Or is it because they think they look "stupid" with a mask on?


Because that's where all these viruses emanate from. So Asian countries "understand" this because it happens rather often over there.


Not to mention the amount of pollution emanating from that part of the world as well.

[Bawkish]

Because that's where all these viruses emanate from. So Asian countries "understand" this because it happens rather often over there.


Not to mention the amount of pollution emanating from that part of the world as well.

which makes them knowledgeable about dealing with this sht

Americans loved their freedom too much. Thats why y'all so divided instead of being united

[FultzNationRISE]

which makes them knowledgeable about dealing with this sht

Americans loved their freedom too much. Thats why y'all so divided instead of being united


:lol

Okay, so you're saying Trump should have final say over people's lives, since he's the President? And if Trump were to decree, for instance, that gay sex is unnecessary yet poses a public health risk, thus it should be banned for public safety... you're on board. Because you're savvy enough not to 'love your freedom too much.'

Or, does it only work like that when you personally agree with a particular directive? But when you disagree with government policy, that's when they have no right to tell you what to do. But when you agree with it, everyone else has to abide as well.

As long as you're consistent, mane.



But for real talk doe it's SHOCKING how shallow some people's perspective is on basic ideas of social/government philosophy.

[MaxFly]

They shutdown schools, churches, movie theaters.
https://www.businessinsider.com/spanish-flu-pandemic-1918-precautions-us-cities-2020-4

Remember, this was prohibition period so there were no bars. Sports were still pretty new then. Basketball was new, football too. Baseball was not close to its prime. Cruises didn't exist like today, airplanes were still single engine. People didn't shop as much back then - there were no shopping malls then. People didn't own TVs then so there were no TV stations - most didn't even have a radio or a car. Women didn't work back then unless if they were nurses or something so they were already home and kids were home too with schools shut.

What else have we shut that they hadn't? Essential businesses are still running including stores that sell foods, pharmacies, medical equipment.

This...


Life didn't go on. Most of the country was shutdown for almost 2yrs. Schools, churches and public places were closed during the waves that hit. The economy took a massive hit. They would open up after a wave eased off but when new wave hit, they went through closures again.

And this...

[FultzNationRISE]

This...



And this...


Except he forgot the most important thing that didnt exist then as it does today: In-home temperature control.

That is a HUGE reason health epidemics killed way more people in the past than they do today. When your immune system is already weakened and you have crazy chills from fighting a virus, relying on a ****ing log fire in your home to keep you warm is super dicey. Same when you have a soaring temperature and are sweating profusely, and there arent air conditioners and readily available ice machines and bottles of gatorade, you can die from dehydration ez-peazy.

The conditions most people were living in 100 YEARS AGO were not nearly as conducive to managing flu symptoms.

Comparing it with illness management today is disingenuous, laughably ignorant, or both.

IMO.

[n00bie]

Because that's where all these viruses emanate from. So Asian countries "understand" this because it happens rather often over there.

Not to mention the amount of pollution emanating from that part of the world as well.

So Western countries should realize that Asian countries know how to deal with this, no?

Also, Spanish Flu came from America, and at that time people realized that masks were important to stopping the spread. We've gone backwards.

[n00bie]

Asians also wear masks for no particular reason in western countries.

It's not just the US where masks aren't being worn dude. Some americans just like to self-hate though.

People don't wear masks for no particular reason. Main reason why people in Asia wear a mask is because they might be sick. They'll wear a mask even if they have a small cold. Society there will frown upon you if they see you with cold symptoms and no mask.

[Phong]

People don't wear masks for no particular reason. Main reason why people in Asia wear a mask is because they might be sick. They'll wear a mask even if they have a small cold. Society there will frown upon you if they see you with cold symptoms and no mask.That might be the case in Japan but everywhere else in Asia, the main reason is air pollution and the belief that health rests on a good air/bad air belief that predates our knowledge of germs.

[LAmbruh]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXS5eFpWkAAvJ0x?format=jpg&name=small

Tony Barnhart@MrCFB

Here is a photo of an undetermined Georgia Tech home game during the 1918 college football season. That's when the sport was hit by the Spanish flu and the end of World War I. The photo was taken by a student, Thomas Carter. It was provided by Georgia Tech alumnus Andy McNeal.

https://twitter.com/MrCFB/status/1257835680157351938

ouch :oldlol:

[bladefd]

What is most appropriate?

Coughing freely into your mask without having to worry about raising your arm to cover up
Or
Covering up every time you cough with your inner elbow but occasionally leaking cough around your elbows/not covering up quickly enough
?


Should be pretty straightforward...

[Nanners]

According to the WHO, calling face coverings "masks" is racist toward mexican wrestlers... they are now recommending that face coverings are referred to as "muzzles", and they ask that all americans wear their muzzles obediently (like they do in China).

[tpols]

According to the WHO, calling face coverings "masks" is racist toward mexican wrestlers... they are now recommending that face coverings are referred to as "muzzles", and they ask that all americans wear their muzzles obediently (like they do in China).

Yo when are we getting our turbins and flying carpets bro?

[Nanners]

Yo when are we getting our turbins and flying carpets bro?

i dunno about turbins and flying carpets, but theres talk about requiring all white men to wear burqas

[Kblaze8855]

Pretty much both. And don't forget another reason - Americans think a virus cannot affect them because they are so strong and great. Strong people don't need to protect themselves because the virus will be scared into submission by strong Americans.


The virus is scared into submission by the same thing others are. An immune system. I’d stay inside if HIV or cancer were being spread that easily. Not for this. I personally know too many people who recovered. I had two come back to work this week and the younger one is in her 60s and a smoker. On top of that two I occasionally deal with were found to have the antibodies....so they had it and didn’t even know. I strongly suspect I already had it over a month ago but the symptoms line up with a number of preexisting conditions I’ve had all my life.

It ain’t smallpox....it’s not the plague.

It’s getting sick then getting better at a rate that doesn’t justify much of my concern. The people bugging out are correcting others saying 1 percent might die instead of the .05 others are saying.

A 99% chance of the shit clearing up puts this way down my concern list. It’s just a number piling up we choose to report while ignoring the reasons millions of others die. It’s normal human tragedy not anything exceptional.

[dreamshake]

Masks are such a pain in the ass to wear. Compared to no mask, going out with a mask sucks. Makes me not want to go out honestly.

[dreamshake]

Who in the world would go out to a restaurant if they have to wear a mask. How would that even work? Same thing with going shopping or and where considered entertainment. How would you even be able to try clothes on? Such a hassle. Might as well tell people to not even go out if you're going to make them wear a damn muzzle every where they go.

[Rico2016]

Flowchart suggestion

Are you a high "at-risk" individual?

Yes --> Stay home, quarantine


No --> Be safe and respectful in public, following normal guidelines per CDC, such as mask-wearing in combination with social distancing

That's it. We need to ramp this economy back up, the sooner we get back on track the sooner we can get life back to normal. The longer we quarantine, the worse off it will become. How is this not talked about? The damages are compounding by the weeks and weeks. More people are losing jobs, GDP is decreasing. Money value is decreasing. I don't get it.

[Axe]

When lockdowns are lifted, traffic in certain metros will come back to normal immediately.

[Cleverness]

"supposedly safe" lol...

Nothing is safe. Everything comes with risks and benefits. This is how adults think. They weigh the pros and cons and make a decision. Hopefully OP will become an adult someday.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/the-left-wing-case-against-lockdowns/

Warning: the above article may not be safe for the pro-lockdown crowd as it may cause cognitive dissonance

[n00bie]

Just wear a ****ing mask. What's wrong with you people? It's not to protect yourself. It's to protect others and to stop the spread. A lot of people have the virus without symptoms. Who the **** cares if its uncomfortable? If everyone wore a damn mask, the virus could be gone in a month. Instead people are bltching about how its uncomfortable. Stop whining like little bltches already.

[Cleverness]

The virus is scared into submission by the same thing others are. An immune system. I’d stay inside if HIV or cancer were being spread that easily. Not for this. I personally know too many people who recovered. I had two come back to work this week and the younger one is in her 60s and a smoker. On top of that two I occasionally deal with were found to have the antibodies....so they had it and didn’t even know. I strongly suspect I already had it over a month ago but the symptoms line up with a number of preexisting conditions I’ve had all my life.

It ain’t smallpox....it’s not the plague.

It’s getting sick then getting better at a rate that doesn’t justify much of my concern. The people bugging out are correcting others saying 1 percent might die instead of the .05 others are saying.

A 99% chance of the shit clearing up puts this way down my concern list. It’s just a number piling up we choose to report while ignoring the reasons millions of others die. It’s normal human tragedy not anything exceptional.

Yep. I know people who were sick around New Year's and they tested positive for COVID antibodies in early April. With theme parks open, sporting events, concerts, etc. still happening until March, no doubt this virus was spreading in California in January and February https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-11/bay-area-coronavirus-deaths-signs-of-earlier-spread-california

[bladefd]

Just wear a ****ing mask. What's wrong with you people? It's not to protect yourself. It's to protect others and to stop the spread. A lot of people have the virus without symptoms. Who the **** cares if its uncomfortable? If everyone wore a damn mask, the virus could be gone in a month. Instead people are bltching about how its uncomfortable. Stop whining like little bltches already.

It's an American culture problem crying about everything. Everything must be exactly how they want or else people start crying bloody Mary. People in East Asian countries don't cry about something minuscule like mask, but Americans are too proud..

[Cleverness]

I wear a mask. Partly to protect others (probably not helping since I'm completely asymptomatic) and partly to avoid confrontation.

I am perfectly fine with businesses requiring people to wear a mask in the store.

I am, however, pro-liberty, so I am against government requiring people to wear a mask outside.

[n00bie]

I wear a mask. Partly to protect others (probably not helping since I'm completely asymptomatic) and partly to avoid confrontation.

I am perfectly fine with businesses requiring people to wear a mask in the store.

I am, however, pro-liberty, so I am against government requiring people to wear a mask outside.

If you're infected with no symptoms, just talking or breathing without a mask will spread the virus. Might not go far enough to reach the person you're talking to, but it can easily get on surfaces around you.. in which someone else will unknowingly touch.

[Cleverness]

If you're infected with no symptoms, just talking or breathing without a mask will spread the virus. Might not go far enough to reach the person you're talking to, but it can easily get on surfaces around you.. in which someone else will unknowingly touch.

Thanks, but I know. That's why I said probably. I wear a mask, for now, and hope that I don't have to wear a mask for too much longer. I don't want to have to wear a mask for another 18 months.

[hateraid]

I wear a mask in situations where I know my space will be violated. Otherwise on just a health perspective I would rather not. Wearing it unnecessarily can lead to other risks such as redistributing toxins. The majority of disease and toxins are eliminated through your lungs.

[tpols]

I wear a mask in situations where I know my space will be violated. Otherwise on just a health perspective I would rather not. Wearing it unnecessarily can lead to other risks such as redistributing toxins. The majority of disease and toxins are eliminated through your lungs.

not only that but going outside and just going for a walk to get some fresh air and ****ing breathe lol.

i aint wearing a mask except inside stores i have to.

[n00bie]

not only that but going outside and just going for a walk to get some fresh air and ****ing breathe lol.

i aint wearing a mask except inside stores i have to.

Exactly why the U.S. has the most cases in the entire world.

[Hawker]

Exactly why the U.S. has the most cases in the entire world.

Stop worrying about the US so much.

No point wearing a mask walking around getting fresh air. Inside with lots of people. Yes, makes sense.

[tpols]

Exactly why the U.S. has the most cases in the entire world.

yes if i go to the park for a jog or walk, im going to be doing it while being able to breathe fresh air.

There's nobody around for 100 yards.

You're a clown.

[diamenz]

i always wear a mask. i'll do anything i can to keep dodging my warrants.

[n00bie]

yes if i go to the park for a jog or walk, im going to be doing it while being able to breathe fresh air.

There's nobody around for 100 yards.

You're a clown.

So you think the virus will die outdoors? You want fresh air without wearing a mask? Open your fuking windows at home.

[Phong]

So you think the virus will die outdoors? You want fresh air without wearing a mask? Open your fuking windows at home. Damn, you must be terrified to step one foot out the door even when there's absolutely no one around.

[n00bie]

Damn, you must be terrified to step one foot out the door even when there's absolutely no one around.

Again, the mask is not meant to protect yourself. Typical selfish American mentality.

[Phong]

Again, the mask is not meant to protect yourself. Typical selfish American mentality.Typical dumbass. You've been so brainwashed that you're bitching about someone standing outside by himself with no one around to infect.


Reminds me of that guy who got ticketed for paddle boarding by himself in the middle of the ocean. :facepalm

[dreamshake]

yes if i go to the park for a jog or walk, im going to be doing it while being able to breathe fresh air.

There's nobody around for 100 yards.

You're a clown.

Coronavirus is airborne.

[Phong]

Coronavirus is airborne.

"Scientists agree that the coronavirus jumps from person to person most often by hitching a ride inside tiny respiratory droplets. These droplets tend to fall to the ground within a few feet of the person who emits them."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/14/health/coronavirus-infections.html

[Phong]

Coronavirus is airborne.
"COVID-19 spreads mainly among people who are in close contact (within about 6 feet) for a prolonged period. Spread happens when an infected person coughs, sneezes, or talks, and droplets from their mouth or nose are launched into the air and land in the mouths or noses of people nearby."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/social-distancing.html

[Rico2016]

"Scientists agree that the coronavirus jumps from person to person most often by hitching a ride inside tiny respiratory droplets. These droplets tend to fall to the ground within a few feet of the person who emits them."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/14/health/coronavirus-infections.html

Roasted

"COVID-19 spreads mainly among people who are in close contact (within about 6 feet) for a prolonged period. Spread happens when an infected person coughs, sneezes, or talks, and droplets from their mouth or nose are launched into the air and land in the mouths or noses of people nearby."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/social-distancing.html

Double roasted

[Cleverness]

"COVID-19 spreads mainly among people who are in close contact (within about 6 feet) for a prolonged period. Spread happens when an infected person coughs, sneezes, or talks, and droplets from their mouth or nose are launched into the air and land in the mouths or noses of people nearby."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/social-distancing.html

Indeed, and as I've posted in the news discussion thread:

Two-thirds of patients recently hospitalized for coronavirus became infected... despite largely staying at home. :facepalm

About 18 percent came from nursing homes, 4 percent from assisted-living facilities, 2 percent were homeless, 2 percent had been at other "congregate" settings, fewer than 1 percent were prison or jail inmates, and 8 percent were classified as "other."

"They're not working; they're not traveling," Cuomo said of these recently hospitalized coronavirus patients. "We were thinking that maybe we were going to find a higher percent of essential employees who were getting sick because they were going to work — that these may be nurses, doctors, transit workers. That's not the case. They were predominantly at home."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...aying-n1201421

How many more months/years should New York be on lockdown?

[dreamshake]

"COVID-19 spreads mainly among people who are in close contact (within about 6 feet) for a prolonged period. Spread happens when an infected person coughs, sneezes, or talks, and droplets from their mouth or nose are launched into the air and land in the mouths or noses of people nearby."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/social-distancing.html


More information



Tiny airborne particles may carry the new coronavirus
Written by James Kingsland on April 30, 2020 - Fact checked by Rita Ponce, Ph.D. New
A study in Wuhan, China, detected genetic material of the new coronavirus in airborne suspensions, or aerosols, in hospitals and public spaces. The finding reinforces the importance of thorough sterilization of infection hotspots, good ventilation, and avoidance of crowding.

A preliminary study of data from two hospitals in Wuhan, China, suggests that tiny airborne particles may carry and spread SARS-CoV-2.
All data and statistics are based on publicly available data at the time of publication. Some information may be out of date. Visit our coronavirus hub and follow our live updates page for the most recent information on the COVID-19 outbreak.

To date, scientists have established three ways in which severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) — the virus that causes coronavirus disease 19 (COVID-19) — can be transmitted:

inhalation of liquid droplets from the coughing or sneezing of a person with the infection
close contact with a person who has the infection
contact with surfaces that contain the virus
According to a recent study in China, aerosols may offer a fourth transmission route for the virus.

Aerosols are airborne particles that measure around 1 micrometer (one-thousandth of a millimeter) in diameter at most. Because they are much smaller than droplets, they remain suspended in the air for longer and can travel farther.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/tiny-airborne-particles-may-carry-the-new-coronavirus

[dreamshake]

Indeed, and as I've posted in the news discussion thread:

Two-thirds of patients recently hospitalized for coronavirus became infected... despite largely staying at home. :facepalm

About 18 percent came from nursing homes, 4 percent from assisted-living facilities, 2 percent were homeless, 2 percent had been at other "congregate" settings, fewer than 1 percent were prison or jail inmates, and 8 percent were classified as "other."

"They're not working; they're not traveling," Cuomo said of these recently hospitalized coronavirus patients. "We were thinking that maybe we were going to find a higher percent of essential employees who were getting sick because they were going to work — that these may be nurses, doctors, transit workers. That's not the case. They were predominantly at home."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...aying-n1201421

How many more months/years should New York be on lockdown?

It's funny the same people who are against lockdowns are the same ones complaining when people get out and don't wear masks. Is it safe to go out or not?

If lockdowns are lifted because it's supposedly okay now, people can choose not to wear a mask anywhere they go, and we better not hear shit from people who are anti-lockdown. Pick a side and stick to it.

[Phong]

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/tiny-airborne-particles-may-carry-the-new-coronavirusDid you think that I wouldn't read the whole article after you selectively quoted parts of it?

They found fragments of the virus generic material inside two hospitals and noted that:


"In addition, the researchers emphasize that their study did not establish whether the virus-laden aerosols were capable of infecting people.

The concentration of virus-containing aerosols was generally very low, or even undetectable, in patient wards, which the authors attribute to effective isolation procedures and good ventilation."

So how is Tpols infecting a bunch of people by being in a park by himself with no one around?

[hateraid]

If it can vaporize and travel through the air then everyone would have it. That's some bullshyt right there.
Think about it. It stays in the air and it will eventually hitch a ride onto someone. It's inevitable.

[Rolando]

Wearing a mask indoors and in congested areas is something I can accept. It is a good idea and will help to slow the spread of the virus.

Wearing a mask outdoors, for the most part, is stupid. If you are doing this you are dumb. I've even seen people wearing a mask while driving alone in their cars.

It is nice that people of minimal mental capacity wish to do the right thing. But let's not let them set the rules or be our role models.

[SATAN]

If it can vaporize and travel through the air then everyone would have it. That's some bullshyt right there.
Think about it. It stays in the air and it will eventually hitch a ride onto someone. It's inevitable.

:facepalm

[coin24]

Do you retards wear a mask every winter in flu season?

[Axe]

Do you retards wear a mask every winter in flu season?
:lol

[n00bie]

If it can vaporize and travel through the air then everyone would have it. That's some bullshyt right there.
Think about it. It stays in the air and it will eventually hitch a ride onto someone. It's inevitable.

It's not airborne. However if it drops on a surface. Let's say a park bench. And someone sits on the bench, gets on their clothes or hands. Brings it home.

How can that be prevented? Easily. If the original person that had the virus had a mask on, the virus wouldnt be on the bench. But no, we don't want to wear a mask because its uncomfortable and we look stupid with it.

[n00bie]

Do you retards wear a mask every winter in flu season?

If everyone who had cold or flu symptoms wore a mask, the flu cases will drop dramatically. Again, different mentality since we are all scared of being judged with a mask on. I see coworkers at work sneezing and coughing away.. no one cares. You do that shlt in other countries without a mask on they'll send you home.

But of course, if you saw someone with a mask on during flu season you'd call them a retard.

[coin24]

If everyone who had cold or flu symptoms wore a mask, the flu cases will drop dramatically. Again, different mentality since we are all scared of being judged with a mask on. I see coworkers at work sneezing and coughing away.. no one cares. You do that shlt in other countries without a mask on they'll send you home.

But of course, if you saw someone with a mask on during flu season you'd call them a retard.


Asians have always worn masks when they're sick to not spread it, that's great. You fools are wearing them in your cars and out walking to avoid catching a cold:lol

[Stanley Kobrick]

Asians have always worn masks when they're sick to not spread it, that's great. You fools are wearing them in your cars and out walking to avoid catching a cold:lol
not where i'm from. most aren't seen putting on a mask until they head into stores or areas with general public. its not a selfish thing, it's just being considerate to others

[Cleverness]

It's funny the same people who are against lockdowns are the same ones complaining when people get out and don't wear masks. Is it safe to go out or not?

If lockdowns are lifted because it's supposedly okay now, people can choose not to wear a mask anywhere they go, and we better not hear shit from people who are anti-lockdown. Pick a side and stick to it.

I've already answered your question. Nothing is safe. Everything comes with risks and benefits. This is how adults think. They weigh the pros and cons and make a decision.

For the 100th time, the reason for the lockdowns in March was to prevent our hospitals from being overwhelmed. (not because safe/not safe to go outside)

And for the 100th time, we should be opening up in places where hospitals aren't at risk of being overwhelmed (ie vast majority of the country).

[Nanners]

Like so many of the other arbitrary rules that our leaders have come up with as they have become increasingly more and more drunk on their power, the mask is not really about the virus. There is zero credible scientific evidence that a healthy person wearing a home-made cloth mask makes one iota of difference in preventing the spread of this virus... and even if it did, that still wouldnt justify forcing people to wear them. What this is really about is exerting dominance and control by forcing people to wear a symbol for censorship, humiliation, subservience, and fear.

Look up the word censorship on google images, you will see countless pictures of people with their mouths covered. When a judge orders someone not to speak about something, its called a "gag order". Forcibly covering someones mouth is a subconscious attack on their freedom of speech

Forced mouth covering is also very common in BDSM and humilation porn, because on a subconscious level there is something deeply humiliating about having your mouth forcibly covered. Notice how the politicians and talking heads like "Doctor" Bill Gates are never seen wearing masks? Thats because doms dont wear masks, they're only for submissives.

The mask is also a symbol of fear. Every time you leave the house with a mask on, your subconscious self is being told that its no longer safe out in the big scary world, that you are under attack from an invisible enemy that can strike at any moment. Every time you see someone else wearing the mask, this sense of fear gets reinforced. The coronacircus will collapse under the weight of its absurdity without a sufficient number of terrified people, therefore the masks are important as a constant reminder that we should all be afraid.

IMO, these subconscious associations are playing a huge role in why some people love their masks and want to force them upon everyone, while others are so deeply triggered by them. Notice how the the pro-mask folks are almost 100% bed-wetting democrat soyboys who love being told what to think and what to say, and who love to be humiliated and subjugated.

[SATAN]

:roll:

[Cleverness]

Like so many of the other arbitrary rules that our leaders have come up with as they have become increasingly more and more drunk on their power, the mask is not really about the virus. There is zero credible scientific evidence that a healthy person wearing a home-made cloth mask makes one iota of difference in preventing the spread of this virus... and even if it did, that still wouldnt justify forcing people to wear them. What this is really about is exerting dominance and control by forcing people to wear a symbol for censorship, humiliation, subservience, and fear.

Look up the word censorship on google images, you will see countless pictures of people with their mouths covered. When a judge orders someone not to speak about something, its called a "gag order". Forcibly covering someones mouth is a subconscious attack on their freedom of speech

Forced mouth covering is also very common in BDSM and humilation porn, because on a subconscious level there is something deeply humiliating about having your mouth forcibly covered. Notice how the politicians and talking heads like "Doctor" Bill Gates are never seen wearing masks? Thats because doms dont wear masks, they're only for submissives.

The mask is also a symbol of fear. Every time you leave the house with a mask on, your subconscious self is being told that its no longer safe out in the big scary world, that you are under attack from an invisible enemy that can strike at any moment. Every time you see someone else wearing the mask, this sense of fear gets reinforced. The coronacircus will collapse under the weight of its absurdity without a sufficient number of terrified people, therefore the masks are important as a constant reminder that we should all be afraid.

IMO, these subconscious associations are playing a huge role in why some people love their masks and want to force them upon everyone, while others are so deeply triggered by them. Notice how the the pro-mask folks are almost 100% bed-wetting democrat soyboys who love being told what to think and what to say, and who love to be humiliated and subjugated.

Wow, good stuff

[diamenz]

Like so many of the other arbitrary rules that our leaders have come up with as they have become increasingly more and more drunk on their power, the mask is not really about the virus. There is zero credible scientific evidence that a healthy person wearing a home-made cloth mask makes one iota of difference in preventing the spread of this virus... and even if it did, that still wouldnt justify forcing people to wear them. What this is really about is exerting dominance and control by forcing people to wear a symbol for censorship, humiliation, subservience, and fear.

Look up the word censorship on google images, you will see countless pictures of people with their mouths covered. When a judge orders someone not to speak about something, its called a "gag order". Forcibly covering someones mouth is a subconscious attack on their freedom of speech

Forced mouth covering is also very common in BDSM and humilation porn, because on a subconscious level there is something deeply humiliating about having your mouth forcibly covered. Notice how the politicians and talking heads like "Doctor" Bill Gates are never seen wearing masks? Thats because doms dont wear masks, they're only for submissives.

The mask is also a symbol of fear. Every time you leave the house with a mask on, your subconscious self is being told that its no longer safe out in the big scary world, that you are under attack from an invisible enemy that can strike at any moment. Every time you see someone else wearing the mask, this sense of fear gets reinforced. The coronacircus will collapse under the weight of its absurdity without a sufficient number of terrified people, therefore the masks are important as a constant reminder that we should all be afraid.

IMO, these subconscious associations are playing a huge role in why some people love their masks and want to force them upon everyone, while others are so deeply triggered by them. Notice how the the pro-mask folks are almost 100% bed-wetting democrat soyboys who love being told what to think and what to say, and who love to be humiliated and subjugated.

i don't mind wearing a mask. get a grip, you tight ass. you're trippin'.

[Cleverness]

i don't mind wearing a mask. get a grip, you tight ass. you're trippin'.

Personally I don't mind wearing one for a little while, but it's really annoying having to wear it 40+ hours/wk.


scientific evidence that a healthy person wearing a home-made cloth mask makes one iota of difference in preventing the spread of this virus... and even if it did, that still wouldnt justify forcing people to wear them.

[jstern]

If the lockdown is lifted then of course it's the right for people to wear the mask or not.

The thing with the mask is that it's not supposed to protect you from an infected person, it's supposed to protect others for in case you have it. (Though I learned form one of the Walk on Water threads (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?479858-Wearing-2-3-masks-a-good-idea) that it does offer some filtration, but I'm not sure if that filtration helps any with the virus since they are so tiny, like 125 nanometers or something.)

The mask is meant to protect others, so then it becomes a tit for tat issue that will cause a lot of problems with people on both sides. It's inevitable. There will be fights, there will be killings because the people who choose to wear masks will get resentful of those who don't, with a growing anger that will explode.

It's less of a government thing and more of a natural tit for tat, game theory kind of thing.

Over ten days ago some asshole lacking self awareness was not wearing his facemask in the supermarket, as I walked by him he laughed blowing air right in my nose as I exhaled. Such things are bound to happen. But even with all these precautions such situations are inevitable, because they appear so randomly and there are a lot of people who are irrational and of low IQ. luckily I didn't get sick, but that's by total chance. Other people, like that bus driver (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpTZgMdbhIk) were not so lucky from some of the people who lack self awareness.

[SATAN]

Over ten days ago some asshole lacking self awareness was not wearing his facemask in the supermarket, as I walked by him he laughed blowing air right in my nose as I exhaled.

Surely this is proof that jstern is Walk On Water?

[Nanners]

The thing with the mask is that it's not supposed to protect you from an infected person, it's supposed to protect others for in case you have it.

So why dont we apply the same line of logic to any cause of death other than corona virus?

An estimated ~40k americans die each year from exposure to second hand smoke, why dont we ban all smoking and save all those innocent lives? (this would also save an estimated ~480k americans who die each year because they are smokers).

Somewhere around ~200k americans are believed to be killed by air pollution every year, why dont we ban all cars/trucks with combustion engines and save those innocent lives?

An estimated ~70k americans die each year because they are unable to afford healthcare, why dont we all pay a little more in taxes to provide these people with healthcare and save all those innocent lives?

An estimated ~300k americans die each year from obesity. Some might argue that people should be allowed to eat themselves to death if they want to (and I wouldnt disagree), but why dont we at least make it illegal for companies like McDonalds and PepsiCo to generate massive profits from selling the addictive sugary drinks and highly processed foods that are driving this obesity epidemic?

Theres a large industrial facility a few miles from my house that makes parts for airplanes and oil tankers and stuff. There is a neighborhood directly downwind from the plant that has very high cancer rates because of the nickel, cadmium, arsenic, chromium, and other heavy metals emitted by this factory. This neighborhood has been trying to put together some kind of lawsuit to get the plant to do something about their emissions, but its a very low-income area, and the plant is owned by one of the wealthiest men on the planet (Warren Buffet - aka the supposedly "friendly" billionaire), and Buffets legal team is lightyears ahead of anything the neighborhood can muster. This type of situation goes on all over the country, heavy industry is responsible for tens if not hundreds of thousands of cancer deaths each year in this country, so why dont we shut down all of these factories and save these innocent lives?

[Hawker]

It's funny how the experts/officials were saying at the very beginning the masks were not very effective and only work if properly fit tested.

Now if you question their advice, you're not listening to the experts.

[bladefd]

It's funny how the experts/officials were saying at the very beginning the masks were not very effective and only work if properly fit tested.

Now if you question their advice, you're not listening to the experts.

I always felt that masks would be a good idea even when the experts/officials were saying otherwise. I always thought they were trying to say masks were not effective to stop the public from hoarding masks from frontline medical workers.

[Nanners]

I always felt that masks would be a good idea even when the experts/officials were saying otherwise. I always thought they were trying to say masks were not effective to stop the public from hoarding masks from frontline medical workers.

So rather than actually listening to what our health experts and officials were saying, your original opinion on masks was based on your own intuition and feelings... as if you were some kind of dirty russian conspiracy theorist

When our experts told you not to wear a mask, you and your "feelings" put other americans at risk... typical selfish conspiracy theorist

[bladefd]

So rather than actually listening to what our health experts and officials were saying, your original opinion on masks was based on your own intuition and feelings... as if you were some kind of dirty russian conspiracy theorist

When our experts told you not to wear a mask, you and your "feelings" put other americans at risk... typical selfish conspiracy theorist

Hey, those same health experts are recommending masks now so they clearly felt they were wrong and that I was right all along. They changed their position to my position.

[Nanners]

Hey, those same health experts are recommending masks now so they clearly felt they were wrong and that I was right all along. They changed their position to my position.

No. You defied the orders of our highly respected health experts like you are some kind of dirty selfish republican... and then you happened to get lucky that the health experts have no ****ing clue what they are talking about and did a complete 180 on their previous statements

[coin24]

It's funny how the experts/officials were saying at the very beginning the masks were not very effective and only work if properly fit tested.

Now if you question their advice, you're not listening to the experts.

The not so experts who change their opinion every day and media (activists) who contradict themselves every single day?
Probably best not to listen :oldlol:

[dreamshake]

A very interesting thing happened the other day.

A shop I visited started only allowing people who wear masks to shop.

The next week I visited the same store and it was literally empty.

Morale of the story? If you turn away your customers, they feel rejected and will not likely return to your store. It's psychology.

Same thing with China and LeBron.

Don't bite the hand (of customers) that feed you (businesses).

[dreamshake]

Any business owners can confirm or deny the above?

[n00bie]

A very interesting thing happened the other day.

A shop I visited started only allowing people who wear masks to shop.

The next week I visited the same store and it was literally empty.

Morale of the story? If you turn away your customers, they feel rejected and will not likely return to your store. It's psychology.

Same thing with China and LeBron.

Don't bite the hand (of customers) that feed you (businesses).

Plenty of supermarkets here require masks to enter. If you dont have a mask you need to pay $1 for one. (Proceeds go to a children's charity)

Supermarkets here are still packed.

[Axe]

Surely this is proof that jstern is Walk On Water?
Shut up, you goddamned death eater.

[notcool]

May 18, 2020
Tests on hamsters showed wearing surgical masks can significantly reduce the non-contact transmission of the deadly Covid-19 virus, especially when masks were worn by infected individuals, according to a study led by HKU infectious disease expert Prof Yuen Kwok-yung.
The study, released on Sunday, shed light on an ongoing heated debate on whether wearing masks would help prevent the transmission of the deadly coronavirus.
In each set of the experiment, hamsters were separated in two groups and placed in two cages, with one of the groups infected with Covid-19.
In the first experiment, no surgical masks were placed between the two cages. In the second one, a surgical mask was placed closer to the healthy hamsters. In the third experiment, the mask was placed closer to the infected, as if the healthy ones or the infected were wearing masks.
With no partition in between the cages, two-thirds of the healthy hamsters were infected a week later. In the following two experiments with masks in between, the infection rates were lowered to one-third and one-sixth respectively.
Yuen urged the public to keep wearing masks with crowds in the public and in enclosed indoor areas despite the hot weather to help contain the invisible transmission.

[SATAN]

There isn't a heated debate. It's just the type of idiots that used to complain about the introduction of seat belts thinking their words hold more value than rational people all over again :facepalm

Small dick syndrome

[n00bie]

There isn't a heated debate. It's just the type of idiots that used to complain about the introduction of seat belts thinking their words hold more value than rational people all over again :facepalm

Small dick syndrome

No point of arguing with these crazy conspiracy theorists. Nanners actually thinks the government is faking covid19 numbers so that they'll get a hard on of images of him wearing a mask. The dude actually thinks BDSM is the reason why they're trying to force him to wear a mask.

[ZenMaster]

No point of arguing with these crazy conspiracy theorists. Nanners actually thinks the government is faking covid19 numbers so that they'll get a hard on of images of him wearing a mask. The dude actually thinks BDSM is the reason why they're trying to force him to wear a mask.

You've gone off the deep end and this is a pathetic post.

[n00bie]

You've gone off the deep end and this is a pathetic post.

Explain when Nanners literally posted that in a previous post.

[ZenMaster]

Explain when Nanners literally posted that in a previous post.

Show me which post please.

[n00bie]

Show me which post please.

It was only 1 page before my post:


Like so many of the other arbitrary rules that our leaders have come up with as they have become increasingly more and more drunk on their power, the mask is not really about the virus. There is zero credible scientific evidence that a healthy person wearing a home-made cloth mask makes one iota of difference in preventing the spread of this virus... and even if it did, that still wouldnt justify forcing people to wear them. What this is really about is exerting dominance and control by forcing people to wear a symbol for censorship, humiliation, subservience, and fear.

Look up the word censorship on google images, you will see countless pictures of people with their mouths covered. When a judge orders someone not to speak about something, its called a "gag order". Forcibly covering someones mouth is a subconscious attack on their freedom of speech

Forced mouth covering is also very common in BDSM and humilation porn, because on a subconscious level there is something deeply humiliating about having your mouth forcibly covered. Notice how the politicians and talking heads like "Doctor" Bill Gates are never seen wearing masks? Thats because doms dont wear masks, they're only for submissives.

The mask is also a symbol of fear. Every time you leave the house with a mask on, your subconscious self is being told that its no longer safe out in the big scary world, that you are under attack from an invisible enemy that can strike at any moment. Every time you see someone else wearing the mask, this sense of fear gets reinforced. The coronacircus will collapse under the weight of its absurdity without a sufficient number of terrified people, therefore the masks are important as a constant reminder that we should all be afraid.

IMO, these subconscious associations are playing a huge role in why some people love their masks and want to force them upon everyone, while others are so deeply triggered by them. Notice how the the pro-mask folks are almost 100% bed-wetting democrat soyboys who love being told what to think and what to say, and who love to be humiliated and subjugated.

[Phong]

It was only 1 page before my post:You either have terrible reading comprehension skills or you're intentionally dishonest. You clearly misrepresented his entire argument by summarizing it as "The dude actually thinks BDSM is the reason why they're trying to force him to wear a mask."

[n00bie]

You either have terrible reading comprehension skills or you're intentionally dishonest. You clearly misrepresented his entire argument by summarizing it as "The dude actually thinks BDSM is the reason why they're trying to force him to wear a mask."

Is that not what he's trying to say? It's not the ONLY reason why he's not wearing a mask, but he stated "humiliation" and referenced BDSM as one of the reasons.

[bluechox2]

corporate americas got yall bottom dwellers leeching off their 1200 dollar fingertips living paycheck to paycheck, and yall cant think for yourself to wear a mask to live longer...

[Phong]

Is that not what he's trying to say? It's not the ONLY reason why he's not wearing a mask, but he stated "humiliation" and referenced BDSM as one of the reasons.Nope. It's about government control. As a simpleton you saw a few words and only focused on them because it's easier to counter a straw man.

[dreamshake]

The other day a man went to a restaurant to pickup food. The employee wouldn't let him because he didn't wear a mask. So he went home, came back with a mask and a gun and shot him.

America is more dangerous now than ever. No need to risk going out and randomly get caught into one of these situations. People making judgement calls everywhere on this mask issue. One mistake could be the difference between life and death.

[n00bie]

Nope. It's about government control. As a simpleton you saw a few words and only focused on them because it's easier to counter a straw man.

So you think the government is trying to control you with a mask?

[n00bie]

The other day a man went to a restaurant to pickup food. The employee wouldn't let him because he didn't wear a mask. So he went home, came back with a mask and a gun and shot him.

America is more dangerous now than ever. No need to risk going out and randomly get caught into one of these situations. People making judgement calls everywhere on this mask issue. One mistake could be the difference between life and death.

Literally can't imagine that happening anywhere else in the world right now. Shooting someone over a mask. Wow.

[dreamshake]

Literally can't imagine that happening anywhere else in the world right now. Shooting someone over a mask. Wow.

This isn't an isolated incident. I've heard it happen at least twice. There's also many cases of irate customers leaving the store after getting confrontational with the manager. I've seen people get singled out just walking down the street for not wearing masks. It's crazy out there.

[dude77]

So you think the government is trying to control you with a mask?


it's symbolic .. think of the symbolism of having your face muted like that everywhere you go .. not to mention you can't have proper social interactions with people with that shit on your face .. not people you initially meet anyways .. you have to be able to see people ..anyways, as long as they don't start trying to force me to wear a mask outside in the open, I'm good .. if that starts happening I will laugh and not comply

[The Iron Fist]

If it's supposedly safe to lift lockdowns despite scientific evidence that coronavirus is killing more people by the day, then people should be able to exercise their freedom of not wearing face masks.

The other day, a man shot and killed a security guard because he prevented him from entering the store without a mask. Just think about the chances of getting killed when you go out. Better to just lockdown at home until a vaccine is available. Going out with a face mask is a pain in the ass and defeats the purpose of socializing and meeting. It's hard to even breathe let alone communicate with anyone.
How?

[Phong]

So you think the government is trying to control you with a mask?I think states and local governments had no idea on how to deal with this pandemic. They weren’t looking for sensible policies for specific areas depending on their own sets of circumstances; no sensible policies to keep our lives going while being more careful. It takes too much thinking for that.

There were too many people, like yourself, who are scared shitless and are very vocal about it. So politicians, having to cater to you, found the simplest and quicker solution to calm you down:

"Everybody stays at home and wears a mask. Sit and wait for a year, two years or god knows how long for a vaccine.".

Those are simple instructions that mindless drones will follow no questions asked because it makes them feel safe. They put a mask on you (or a pacifier in your mouth) and you've stopped crying. On top of that you're doing your civic duty by helping hospitals from being overwhelmed.. makes you feel safe and proud!

Thankfully, more people have woken up and more states have finally realized that it wasn't financially realistic to stop living for fear of dying; especially when the mortality rate is low and the vast majority of hospitals weren't overwhelmed at all. But to you, those people are a threat to your safety so you lash out at them.

Those who aren't at risk, and not living with anyone at risk, should resume their lives with some precautions. For the others, they probably don't want to take the risk and will stay home, their choice. If you're that scared that the virus is lingering on every surfaces and floating in every cubic foot of air, stay home.

[The Iron Fist]

well said. people are just so damn selfish in this country.

Many of these people never really had to struggle for anything in their lives.

[dreamshake]

How?

I'm guessing you've never worn a face mask. Compare that to being able to breathe freely.

[n00bie]

I think states and local governments had no idea on how to deal with this pandemic. They weren’t looking for sensible policies for specific areas depending on their own sets of circumstances; no sensible policies to keep our lives going while being more careful. It takes too much thinking for that.

There were too many people, like yourself, who are scared shitless and are very vocal about it. So politicians, having to cater to you, found the simplest and quicker solution to calm you down:

"Everybody stays at home and wears a mask. Sit and wait for a year, two years or god knows how long for a vaccine.".

Those are simple instructions that mindless drones will follow no questions asked because it makes them feel safe. They put a mask on you (or a pacifier in your mouth) and you've stopped crying. On top of that you're doing your civic duty by helping hospitals from being overwhelmed.. makes you feel safe and proud!

Thankfully, more people have woken up and more states have finally realized that it wasn't financially realistic to stop living for fear of dying; especially when the mortality rate is low and the vast majority of hospitals weren't overwhelmed at all. But to you, those people are a threat to your safety so you lash out at them.

Those who aren't at risk, and not living with anyone at risk, should resume their lives with some precautions. For the others, they probably don't want to take the risk and will stay home, their choice. If you're that scared that the virus is lingering on every surfaces and floating in every cubic foot of air, stay home.


This is exactly the issue. I've said this many times, if we all respected the virus, instead of thinking it's "fake news", we wouldn't need to wait two years or god knows how long. If we all just wore a stupid mask when we went out and kept up with social distancing, there would have been a good chance we could have ended this virus in a couple of months. Instead, things are getting worse because nobody wants to stay home for a couple of weeks or wear a mask.

You want this thing to end quicker? Maybe try listening to health professionals.

[n00bie]

it's symbolic .. think of the symbolism of having your face muted like that everywhere you go .. not to mention you can't have proper social interactions with people with that shit on your face .. not people you initially meet anyways .. you have to be able to see people ..anyways, as long as they don't start trying to force me to wear a mask outside in the open, I'm good .. if that starts happening I will laugh and not comply

Come on man, do you think really the government thought of this "master plan" to fake covid19 just because it'll be symbolic if we all wore a mask?

[Phong]

This is exactly the issue. I've said this many times, if we all respected the virus, instead of thinking it's "fake news", we wouldn't need to wait two years or god knows how long. If we all just wore a stupid mask when we went out and kept up with social distancing, there would have been a good chance we could have ended this virus in a couple of months. Instead, things are getting worse because nobody wants to stay home for a couple of weeks or wear a mask.

You want this thing to end quicker? Maybe try listening to health professionals. From all I wrote, the only thing you addressed was to repeat what the government told you to do. Nothing more. Mindless drone indeed

Most people are in lockdown for over 2 months and listened to what health professionals had said:
- the virus is not transmissible to humans
- it's not worse than the flu, don't wear masks, not even N95s, they're ineffective
- millions will die, wear masks, any masks even DIY masks, they'll stop the virus
- shelter at home so hospitals aren't overwhelmed
- shelter at home even if hospitals aren't overwhelmed

So what's next? Stay home until the virus magically disappears? Instead of isolating those at risk, let's lock up 325 million people?

[The Iron Fist]

I'm guessing you've never worn a face mask. Compare that to being able to breathe freely.
I wear one every day. So what’s so hard about it?

[n00bie]

From all I wrote, the only thing you addressed was to repeat what the government told you to do. Nothing more. Mindless drone indeed

Most people are in lockdown for over 2 months and listened to what health professionals had said:
- the virus is not transmissible to humans
- it's not worse than the flu, don't wear masks, not even N95s, they're ineffective
- millions will die, wear masks, any masks even DIY masks, they'll stop the virus
- shelter at home so hospitals aren't overwhelmed
- shelter at home even if hospitals aren't overwhelmed

So what's next? Stay home until the virus magically disappears? Instead of isolating those at risk, let's lock up 325 million people?

I dont think you understand how a virus works. They don't magically disappear. Without a host, it'll just die.

The reason why lock downs are not working is because of people with your mentality. You think lockdowns dont work so you leave the house for non essentials. Why? Because you feel the need to go out and socialize?

Is it really that hard to stay at home for awhile and wear a mask if you do go out? Is it really that difficult? Stop making stupid excuses up just so you don't want to look stupid with a mask on. The government isnt out to get you. The mask is not a symbol of the devil. You wont go to hell if you wear a mask.

[Phong]

I dont think you understand how a virus works. They don't magically disappear. Without a host, it'll just die. Without a host they'll just die but it's impossible to lock down everyone and wait. Healthcare workers will continue to get infected as new cases arrive, they will themselves infect others and pets (dogs and cats) have now been confirmed to carry it as well. Once it's in nature carried by multiple species, it won't die out. We can only hope for herd immunity or a vaccine.

The latest round of infections in New York were from people who were retired or unemployed and stayed home.

Studies have shown that even coughing into a mask will not prevent the virus from sipping through to the other side of the mask. Even more so now that people are using regular cloth mask that don't filter shit. With people touching and readjusting their masks all the time, the still deposit the virus on every surface. So when people go to the supermarket for essentials and touch stuff, others will touch it too.

Do you think people sanitize their masks every time they come home? Or wash the clothes they were wearing immediately after coming home?



The reason why lock downs are not working is because of people with your mentality. You think lockdowns dont work so you leave the house for non essentials. Why? Because you feel the need to go out and socialize? Who said that I go out and socialize? Having a nuanced opinion on the matter doesn't mean that I go to parties and then cough in people's face.

I work from home and go out only for groceries or necessary errands. However, unlike you, I understand that others have different sets of circumstances. I also understand that you can't control the entire population in a country as big and diverse as the US. Even if you were to use the entire US military, you wouldn't be able to force everyone to shelter in place.



Is it really that hard to stay at home for awhile and wear a mask if you do go out? Is it really that difficult? Stop making stupid excuses up just so you don't want to look stupid with a mask on. The government isnt out to get you. The mask is not a symbol of the devil. You wont go to hell if you wear a mask. Once again, your point of view is just a giant caricature. People want to resume their lives, work, make money, not lose their businesses, not cower in fear because of a virus that only killed 0.03% of the population.. but in you're stupid monkey brain it's only about not looking like fools with a mask.

As for the government, they've allowed partial reopening because they know a full lockdown isn't sustainable.

Again, if you're ****ing scared for your life. Stay home.

[Phong]

https://youtu.be/o5oW0ELFy9c

[ZenMaster]

Come on man, do you think really the government thought of this "master plan" to fake covid19 just because it'll be symbolic if we all wore a mask?

You're a lot like blade, thinking that you are good and people who think differently than you are evil.

You keep making up this conspiracy and apply it as the opinion of others. No one here has said the government faked covid in order to get people to wear a mask, because it'll be symbolic if everyone did(like the end goal was to get people to wear a mask). I've already explained this to you, so I'm not expecting you to understand it this time either, but one can hope.
As Phong wrote in the other thread, either you have terrible reading comprehension skills or you are being disingenuous.

[Hawker]

https://youtu.be/o5oW0ELFy9c

Andrew Schulz is the best comedian at the moment. Hilarious guy and has good cultural commentary.

[ELITEpower23]

https://youtu.be/o5oW0ELFy9c

Great bit

[dreamshake]

I wear one every day. So what’s so hard about it?

Communication
Breathing
Takes the fun out of whatever you're doing

[fsvr54]

**** masks, humanity has been through many pandemics before. We'll be fine. That sub 1% death rate is so terrifying.

Even my grandmother thinks this is ridiculous, she's in favor of opening up the country fully.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Just because you are bored does not mean the virus is gone.

[Nanners]

Andrew Schulz is the best comedian at the moment. Hilarious guy and has good cultural commentary.

Are you familiar with Tim Dillon? I think you would like his content


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7h-CflXQ20


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbVrVbYe0HU&t=0

[fsvr54]

Just because you are bored does not mean the virus is gone.

Except it's really not that serious.

[BurningHammer]

Until there are approved vaccines against COVID-19 strains, just wear the damn masks when you are outside among public. It is neither hard nor expensive.

[fsvr54]

Until there are approved vaccines against COVID-19 strains, just wear the damn masks when you are outside among public. It is neither hard nor expensive.

Half you dudes would have a heart attack if you came to south Florida.

[BurningHammer]

Half you dudes would have a heart attack if you came to south Florida.

I get it. Irresponsible and/or ignorant people exist. A big group of those showed up in Toronto last Saturday too.

https://www.cp24.com/news/ford-slams-actions-of-reckless-people-who-packed-into-trinity-bellwoods-park-1.4953103

The city has been dealing with that with more police and drawing social distance circles on the park.

It is hard to change their minds but at least good, smart people will keep on trying to protect everybody including those irresponsible, ignorant people.

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I'm sorry, I thought this was America. I'll wear or not wear whatever the hell I want when I'm out in public, mind you.

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No need for masks anymore folks. Apparently the government doesn't give a shit about letting coronavirus ravage people by lifting the lockdowns. Coronavirus all gone now right? Good **** wearing masks.

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No need for masks anymore folks. Apparently the government doesn't give a shit about letting coronavirus ravage people by lifting the lockdowns. Coronavirus all gone now right? Good **** wearing masks.

You didn’t bring up any of these concerns during the protests and rioting so your opinion in these matters should be ignored. Be objective next time.