top 5 players....is Dirk still there? [Archive] - Page 2 - Message Board Basketball Forum

Richie2k6

07-02-2007, 09:22 PM

Primetime isn't a Mavs fan. He's a Dirk fan.

There is no such thing as a Mavs fan that still believes in Dirk.

A TRUE Mavs fan, like myself, understands that Dirk is only a regular season player, and unless we want nothing but great regular seasons, and then playoff chokes, we need to get rid of Dirk.
:applause:

Thanks for actually being man enough to admit something negative about a player on your favorite team. :rolleyes:

Silent Mav

07-02-2007, 09:40 PM

johndeeregreen

07-02-2007, 09:50 PM

now if only Dirk had an Amare to keep him from being triple teamed...
Please.

TMacsOneGoodEye

07-02-2007, 09:52 PM

I guess I don't exist then. Because I'm a Mavs fan that does believe in Dirk. Yes I'll admit he just plain stunk against GS. No excuses here. But I've seen him do enough in previous playoffs that I'm not ready to write him off just yet. Does he need to show me something this year? He sure does.

Each fan is entitled to his own opinion. Even though TMOGE likes to take it to the extreme, and has since the playoffs, he can say what he likes. I will say that doesn't make you any more of a TRUE fan or a better fan than myself or some other Mavs fans.

What have you seen him do in previous playoff series?

How many rings does he have to show for those things he did in previous playoff series?

How long has his window been? And has it been longer than any other franchise player has ever had without winning a ring?

I hate to hear it from you, Silent, cause you're a TRUE Mavs fan, and have one of the most underrated senses of humor on either here or db.com, but you gotta be crazy if you still think Dirk can get it done in the playoffs.

Dirks a "next year" player, cause no matter how close he gets you, he always ends up choking it away and making you say "next year"

SCdac

07-02-2007, 09:55 PM

I guess I don't exist then. Because I'm a Mavs fan that does believe in Dirk. Yes I'll admit he just plain stunk against GS. No excuses here. But I've seen him do enough in previous playoffs that I'm not ready to write him off just yet. Does he need to show me something this year? He sure does.

Each fan is entitled to his own opinion. Even though TMOGE likes to take it to the extreme, and has since the playoffs, he can say what he likes. I will say that doesn't make you any more of a TRUE fan or a better fan than myself or some other Mavs fans.

I wouldn't write him off either. He's too good of a player. I don't mind fans sticking up for him. Just, doing so blindly, or out of fandom, is a joke. For as much as his unusual style is an advantage, it's also a disadvantage. When a guy like Stephen Jackson, or James Posey, or Bruce Bowen can throw a seven footer off of his game, there's something wrong, or at the least, not-right. I question his "mental toughness". But hey, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, right? When the Mavs choked in the Finals last year, I said that they would learn from the experience, and I'm still sticking to it, only this time it's the first round exit to talk about... I know there's level headed Mavericks fans on this board. It's unfortunate, though, that guys like Primetime and Fabcasablancas overshadow them. They just post so much, and with such rigidity, it gets annoying. That's not to say there's no fans like that for every team though. Just the Mavs fans are so Marc Cuban-ish in their peskiness.

Silent Mav

07-02-2007, 10:05 PM

Well, first three rounds last year I saw his step up pretty good. He saved a game each series. And the fact that he playoff averages are better than his regular season averages have to count for something.

And no, he doesn't have any rings. That's a fact that can't be sugar coated.

Karl Malone and John Stockton.

Good chance I am crazy. Or maybe just getting senile. But I do still think he can get it done.

But you are right about "next year". And while I am getting tired of "next year", I'm not quite there yet. But it could be coming.

TMacsOneGoodEye

07-02-2007, 10:07 PM

-primetime-

07-02-2007, 10:15 PM

I wouldn't write him off either. He's too good of a player. I don't mind fans sticking up for him. Just, doing so blindly, or out of fandom, is a joke. For as much as his unusual style is an advantage, it's also a disadvantage. When a guy like Stephen Jackson, or James Posey, or Bruce Bowen can throw a seven footer off of his game, there's something wrong, or at the least, not-right. I question his "mental toughness". But hey, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, right? When the Mavs choked in the Finals last year, I said that they would learn from the experience, and I'm still sticking to it, only this time it's the first round exit to talk about... I know there's level headed Mavericks fans on this board. It's unfortunate, though, that guys like Primetime and Fabcasablancas overshadow them. They just post so much, and with such rigidity, it gets annoying. That's not to say there's no fans like that for every team though. Just the Mavs fans are so Marc Cuban-ish in their peskiness.
don't put me on that level...I have been praying for a KG for Dirk trade ever since the Mavs lost to GS...

I was just wondering if Dirk is still considered a top 5 player in this league...

I also don't beleive that Dirk is the sole reason GS won that series....he could have averaged 30/15 and the Warriors still would have won....they shot lights out...the entire Mavs team is to blame including Avery, but people like you blindly point thier finger at Dirk.

by the way, who the fu-ck are you to judge me or any other Mavs fan here? If we have faith in our guy then let it be, we don't need you to tell us who we should or should stand behind.

Silent Mav

07-02-2007, 10:16 PM

No one is saying Dirk sucks. He doesn't. He's one of the best players in the game during the regular season.

But once the playoffs start, the Dirk we saw in the regular season is no more. And if he does show up, it's only a matter of time until he chokes, and chokes BIG TIME.

Dirks a mental headcase. He has the skills to be the GOAT, but his weak mental state on the big stage prevents him from ever being anything else but a post-season chump.

Based on his last two playoff series, those are accurate statements. But the one thing that gives me some hope, and I'm sure there will be those that laugh. But when I see him with the German national team, he is all those things we wish he would be on the Mavs. Demanding the ball, being aggressive, leading his team. So I know it could be in him. Why he can't/doesn't do it with the Mavs? I wish I had an answer.

-primetime-

07-02-2007, 10:18 PM

No one is saying Dirk sucks. He doesn't. He's one of the best players in the game during the regular season.

But once the playoffs start, the Dirk we saw in the regular season is no more. And if he does show up, it's only a matter of time until he chokes, and chokes BIG TIME.

Dirks a mental headcase. He has the skills to be the GOAT, but his weak mental state on the big stage prevents him from ever being anything else but a post-season chump.
whoooaaa there buddy...

Dirk had one horrible series against GS just like every player on the team did. He was great in last year's playoffs until the Finals and he didn't exactly choke in that series either...this is what he had to deal with

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y8nI1PPYOk

Richie2k6

07-02-2007, 10:20 PM

You really need to get off the "Phantom Fouls" and "The Mavericks weren't allowed to play defense that series" crap. It's getting old.

-primetime-

07-02-2007, 10:23 PM

You really need to get off the "Phantom Fouls" and "The Mavericks weren't allowed to play defense that series" crap. It's getting old.
t-mac himself said he thought the series looked rigged...

I won't pretend the series was fair, because it wasn't.

Rockets(T-mac)

07-02-2007, 10:24 PM

t-mac himself said he thought the series looked rigged...

I won't pretend the series was fair, because it wasn't.
We all agree that the series wasn't really fair but you go on about it too much.

Silent Mav

07-02-2007, 10:25 PM

If they make free throws, it wouldn't have come to that.

XxNeXuSxX

07-02-2007, 10:26 PM

That series was plenty f*cking fair. The refs suck for everyone, not just the goddamn Mavs.

Richie2k6

07-02-2007, 10:27 PM

t-mac himself said he thought the series looked rigged...

I won't pretend the series was fair, because it wasn't.
My point being stop bringing that up.

Silent Mav

07-02-2007, 10:28 PM

That series was plenty f*cking fair. The refs suck for everyone, not just the goddamn Mavs.

Be careful, Cuban might sue you.

-primetime-

07-02-2007, 10:29 PM

My point being stop bringing that up.
my answer being no.

Richie2k6

07-02-2007, 10:29 PM

Be careful, Cuban might sue you.
:lol:

Richie2k6

07-02-2007, 10:31 PM

my answer being no.
So you really are running out of arguments. That happened a year ago. GET OVER IT. The Mavs lost, Wade owned Dirk, and whether he got those 5 or so fouls he got or not, the outcome still would have been the same. The Miami Heat still would have been the NBA Champions of the National Basketball Association. Wade simply outplayed Dirk and won. Get over it and look at the future. Dirk lost, period. Shut up about the phanton calls - it's pissing me off. You're going on about something that happened a year ago. You want someone to go in a time chamber and go back in time and make the refs better? Sorry, that's impossible.

Until someone does invent a time machine, get over it.

-primetime-

07-02-2007, 10:34 PM

So you really are running out of arguments. That happened a year ago. GET OVER IT. The Mavs lost, Wade owned Dirk, and whether he got those 5 or so fouls he got or not, the outcome still would have been the same. The Miami Heat still would have been the NBA Champions of the National Basketball Association. Wade simply outplayed Dirk and won. Get over it and look at the future. Dirk lost, period. Shut up about the phanton calls - it's pissing me off. You're going on about something that happened a year ago. You want someone to go in a time chamber and go back in time and make the refs better? Sorry, that's impossible.

Until someone does invent a time machine, get over it.
never...

sorry it's pissing you off so much.....but....well.... no I'm really not sorry.

the Mavs were not alowed to play defense or even look at Wade, it was an unfair match up....a series where Wade DESTROYED the record for free throws shot in the NBA.

it wasn't 5 calls....it was the fact that those calls forced the Mavs to play soft.

Ben Jordan

07-02-2007, 10:35 PM

1. Duncan
2. Kobe
3. Nash
4. Nowitzki
5. Lebron

No love.:violin:

Richie2k6

07-02-2007, 10:39 PM

never...
:oldlol: Typcial Dirk fan. Can't admit defeat.

the Mavs were not alowed to play defense or even look at Wade, it was an unfair match up
Talk about over exaggeration.

a series where Wade DESTROYED the record for free throws shot in the NBA.
Your point being? If somebody else beat the record, the whole world would be criticizing him for "cheating", too. It's like that with you dumb people that think whoever attempts the most free throws slips some cash to the refs when the camera isn't on them.

it wasn't 5 calls....it was the fact that those calls forced the Mavs to play soft.
:roll: Now you're trying to take away from the fact that Wade walked all over the Mavericks. Classic. :oldlol: All this coming from a Mavericks fan... what a surprise? Why can't you be like TMOGE and be mature enough to face the facts.

basketballer4

07-02-2007, 10:44 PM

Dirk was never in my top five to begin with, so no.

-primetime-

07-02-2007, 10:47 PM

:oldlol: Typcial Dirk fan. Can't admit defeat.
I said I would trade him for KG...I admitt he choked against GS along with the rest of the team...I just don't beleive he choked against Miami.

Your point being? If somebody else beat the record, the whole world would be criticizing him for "cheating", too. It's like that with you dumb people that think whoever attempts the most free throws slips some cash to the refs when the camera isn't on them.
that record will never be broken, and if it is then that will be a sad day for the NBA. The game isn't ment to be played at the free throw line.

:roll: Now you're trying to take away from the fact that Wade walked all over the Mavericks. Classic. :oldlol: All this coming from a Mavericks fan... what a surprise? Why can't you be like TMOGE and be mature enough to face the facts.
I do face the facts....and the facts are that the Mavs were not given a fair shot to win.

as far as GS goes....I have nothing to say other than it wasn't just Dirk that lost that series

Targus

07-02-2007, 10:51 PM

yes he is. any 7 footer who can do as much as Nowitzki can should definitely be up there.

Richie2k6

07-02-2007, 10:51 PM

I said I would trade him for KG...I admitt he choked against GS along with the rest of the team...I just don't beleive he choked against Miami.
The whole team didn't play well enough to win. I never said Dirk choked in that series, he just simply lost. "Can't admit defeat", not "Can't admit Dirk choked".

that record will never be broken, and if it is then that will be a sad day for the NBA. The game isn't ment to be played at the free throw line.

"Will never be broken." :rolleyes: You just can't get over the fact that Wade attacks the rim like crazy can you.

I do face the facts....and the facts are that the Mavs were not given a fair shot to win.
Fair shot? Last time I checked, Dirk missed a CLUTCH shot, which was part of the reason they lost. "Weren't given a fair shot" is preposterous. They would have won Game 3 if they kept it together.

as far as GS goes....I have nothing to say other than it wasn't just Dirk that lost that series
Yes, it was. Now I want to see you admit Dirk choked in that series. Mature enough to do that? Or still on Dirk's balls. I won't be surprised if you don't admit Dirk choked, but it's obvious he did.

dafunkphenom

07-02-2007, 10:52 PM

1. KOBE
2. Lebron
3. Nash
4. Duncan
5. Wade

Why the hell does everybody have Duncan #1? The Spurs may be #1 but as far as individual talent Kobe is no doubt #1. Most of the players in the league will even admit that.

Richie2k6

07-02-2007, 10:54 PM

Most of the players in the league will even admit that.
Well of course, he's the best scorer in the league. It's common respect to call him the best. But if an NBA player sat down, layed out the facts and thought about it, Duncan > Kobe.

the grizzz

07-02-2007, 11:01 PM

Kobe

Duncan

Dirk

D Wade

Lbj

RandomBalla55

07-02-2007, 11:04 PM

I wish Dirk played and listened to Avery Johnson more (despite Fab's ranting).

Remember back in last years playoffs? Dirk was by far one of the best players in the playoffs. It's a damn shame he choked against Miami because he had a FANTASTIC playoffs.

Game 7 against the Spurs. Spurs up 3. Dirk in a hostile environment doesn't fold or anything but takes the ball to teh rim (novel concept?), gets an And1, and Dallas conquers it's demons.

Then remember Game 6 against Phoenix? Dude put in like 50 to knock out PHX and this was when PHX was leading for majority of the game.

I dunno whether or not Dirk doesn't listen to Avery or something but damn, Dirk was REALLY good in the '05 playoffs until Game 3 of the NBA Finals. Even then, he made some clutch shots (Game 5, then DWade got that phantom foul =/). With that said, I can't defend him. But I just wish Dirk played more like Avery Johnson had him playing in '05...

ILballa

07-02-2007, 11:04 PM

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Tim Duncan
3. LeBron James
4. Dwayne Wade
5. Kevin Garnett

-primetime-

07-02-2007, 11:12 PM

The whole team didn't play well enough to win. I never said Dirk choked in that series, he just simply lost. "Can't admit defeat", not "Can't admit Dirk choked".
but I have admitted defeat to GS, numerous times, can you read?

"Will never be broken." :rolleyes: You just can't get over the fact that Wade attacks the rim like crazy can you.
how come wade doesn't rack up fouls like that in every series he plays then?

"Fair shot? Last time I checked, Dirk missed a CLUTCH shot, which was part of the reason they lost. "Weren't given a fair shot" is preposterous. They would have won Game 3 if they kept it together.
dirk missed a game winning shot?...or just a "clutch shot"?...i am sure Dirk missed many shots in that series, he made many as well....he never missed a game winner though.

Yes, it was. Now I want to see you admit Dirk choked in that series. Mature enough to do that? Or still on Dirk's balls. I won't be surprised if you don't admit Dirk choked, but it's obvious he did.
I have said hundreds of times Dirk choked....so did the rest of the team though....he wasn't alone in choking....he could have averaged 30/15 against GS and the Mavs still would have lost....how many times do I need to type this sh-it for you?

-primetime-

07-02-2007, 11:19 PM

here I will reply for you

but I have admitted defeat to GS, numerous times, can you read?
:roll: hahahaha you still won't admitt it will you, give it up:rollingeyes:

how come wade doesn't rack up fouls like that in every series he plays then?
:oldlol: because he only atacks dirk when he chokes, your so dumb -primetime-:roll: the refs just saw it against the mavs that series and not other series that wade is involved in.:lol:

dirk missed a game winning shot?...or just a "clutch shot"?...i am sure Dirk missed many shots in that series, he made many as well....he never missed a game winner though.
:oldlol: i said "CLUTCH SHOT" not game winning shot....can you read dude...:applause:

I have said hundreds of times Dirk choked....so did the rest of the team though....he wasn't alone in choking....he could have averaged 30/15 against GS and the Mavs still would have lost....how many times do I need to type this sh-it for you?
:applause: typical mavs/dirk fan:roll:

Richie2k6

07-02-2007, 11:20 PM

but I have admitted defeat to GS, numerous times, can you read?
Oh my God... I'M TALKING ABOUT VERSUS MIAMI.

how come wade doesn't rack up fouls like that in every series he plays then?
He gets tons of foul calls all season long because nobody attacks the rim as much as he does. You create contact in the paint, you go to the line. Simple.

dirk missed a game winning shot?...or just a "clutch shot"?...i am sure Dirk missed many shots in that series, he made many as well....he never missed a game winner though.
He did miss a clutch free throw, though. :oldlol:

I have said hundreds of times Dirk choked....so did the rest of the team though....he wasn't alone in choking....he could have averaged 30/15 against GS and the Mavs still would have lost....how many times do I need to type this sh-it for you?
You actually admitted Dirk choked against Golden State? :eek: :applause: I got to give it to you, man. It must have been hard to get off his nuts quickly enough to say that. Props to you.

here I will reply for you
Wrong.

Targus

07-02-2007, 11:21 PM

lol richie is always trying to start these little flame wars in threads, learn how to accept people's opinions and it's ok to disagree, bro.

Richie2k6

07-02-2007, 11:23 PM

[QUOTE=Targus

-primetime-

07-02-2007, 11:23 PM

[QUOTE=Targus

-primetime-

07-02-2007, 11:25 PM

I would blow both Wade and Iverson at the same time, wouldn't you? :confusedshrug:
whoa dude....no

what the hell man?

Richie2k6

07-02-2007, 11:27 PM

whoa dude....no

what the hell man?
Wow. You're that immature man? You're wrong, so you start making up crap? You're like Lebron23 man. You get proven wrong, and you start getting personal. I'm not childish enough to start pretending you talk about giving blowjobs to guys, so I'm not going to join you in that. You've just lost the tiny ounce of respect you once had from me. That's just low, resorting to that.

Once you start doing that, that's how you know you've lost the argument.

-primetime-

07-02-2007, 11:30 PM

Wow. You're that immature man? You're wrong, so you start making up crap? You're like Lebron23 man. You get proven wrong, and you start getting personal. I'm not childish enough to start pretending you talk about giving blowjobs to guys, so I'm not going to join you in that. You've just lost the tiny ounce of respect you once had from me. That's just low, resorting to that.

Once you start doing that, that's how you know you've lost the argument.
I never lost anything....you just never accepted my opinions

and when you go emoticon crazy on someone it will drive them to get personal...

you average responce to me is "typical dirk fan:lol: "....

you also insulted me by suggesting that I was all over Dirk nuts but the truth is I want him traded for KG...

Richie2k6

07-02-2007, 11:37 PM

I never lost anything....you just never accepted my opinions
They're not opinions, they're biased thoughts. Well I guess it's sort of an opinion, but either way, it's biased, therefore it's not fully acceptable. Usually a debate involves FACTS, not opinions. Just a heads up.

and when you go emoticon crazy on someone it will drive them to get personal...
You pissed me off like crazy, did I go around saying you give men blowjobs? Oh right, I'm not childish and desperate, so no.

you average responce to me is "typical dirk fan "....
If that's all you think I've been saying is that, you need to read more.

you also insulted me by suggesting that I was all over Dirk nuts but the truth is I want him traded for KG...
You are on his nuts. You're a Mavericks fan that can't accept facts, and you refuse to change your mind regardless of how many statements are thrown at you. You don't have to change your mind, just accept the facts and stop throwing them away like garbage. Every fact people said to you was thrown away, except Dirk choked vs GS. That's the only thing you agreed on, maybe something else. Other than that, you obviously haven't shown enough respect to want to even think about alternating your opinions, which leads me to believe you're biased and immature.

-primetime-

07-02-2007, 11:39 PM

You are on his nuts. You're a Mavericks fan that can't accept facts, and you refuse to change your mind regardless of how many statements are thrown at you. You don't have to change your mind, just accept the facts and stop throwing them away like garbage. Every fact people said to you was thrown away, except Dirk choked vs GS. That's the only thing you agreed on, maybe something else. Other than that, you obviously haven't shown enough respect to want to even think about alternating your opinions, which leads me to believe you're biased and immature.
ok I give up, you win. Dirk sucks

Richie2k6

07-02-2007, 11:41 PM

ok I give up, you win. Dirk sucks
He doesn't suck, though. That's where you're wrong again. I'm hoping to God you're not expecting pity, and I'm hoping to got you're mature enough to realize I never said Dirk sucked.

-primetime-

07-02-2007, 11:46 PM

He really does suck. That's where you're right now. I'm hoping to God you have finally thrown your own opinions away for mine, and I'm hoping you're mature enough to realize Dirk sucks.
I understand now...I just never realized it until you told me the straight FACTS.

Richie2k6

07-02-2007, 11:47 PM

I understand now...I just never realized it until you told me the straight FACTS.
Thank God. I hope you actually mean that.

artest 93

07-03-2007, 12:39 AM

lmfao @ this thread. u guys trying to rack up posts? its not that impotrant. lets all agree that dirk is top 10. and possibly top 6-7. i dont want to offend any one of you basketbal geniuses with all these smilies on the side, i sure as hell don't wonna be laughed it. it would be awful and humiliating. get over it people.

-primetime-

07-03-2007, 03:35 AM

dafunkphenom

07-03-2007, 04:25 AM

Let's face it there are no more position players for big men. There are centers now that camp out and shoot the three (Okur) PF's that do the same (Dirk), Listed PF's that are really low post centers (Duncan) so everybody has a different role. But if you are looking at individual talents Dirk would be right behind Duncan for best BIG MAN but I don't have him top 5. Duncan is the only BIG MAN I have in the top 5. The league now is much more perimeter/guard oriented since the mid to late 90's.

dafunkphenom

07-03-2007, 04:32 AM

In response to RICHIE2K6's comments that if you layed it all out Duncan would be greater than Kobe. I don't think so. Duncan stays on a great team, with a great coach who's franchise has been great enough and lucky enough (Draft Parker at 29) to be able to make this run. Sure maybe Kobe's ego had something to do with the Lakers breaking up and he appears to be a 6'6 cry baby, when you lay it all out he is the greatest individual talent. He is dominant on both ends of the floor.

The blueprint to win in the NBA you need 2 go to guys. A guard and a pretty dominant big man. You put KG on the lakers right now playing in Phil's triangle, they are title contenders for sure.

dafunkphenom

07-03-2007, 04:32 AM

-primetime-

07-03-2007, 01:58 PM

Thank God. I hope you actually mean that.
did you read your quote?

MaxFly

07-03-2007, 03:16 PM

1. Duncan
2. Bryant
3. Lebron
4. Garnett
5. Wade

Rockets(T-mac)

07-03-2007, 03:18 PM

1. Duncan
2. Bryant
3. Lebron
4. Garnett
5. Wade
:applause: Finally a list I agree with (I might take Wade over KG though but that is arguable)

Edit: No, I guess I don't agree with it very much since I take Wade over Lebron. You have the players but not the order.

MaxFly

07-03-2007, 03:32 PM

:applause: Finally a list I agree with (I might take Wade over KG though but that is arguable)

Edit: No, I guess I don't agree with it very much since I take Wade over Lebron. You have the players but not the order.

I wouldn't take Wade over Lebron. In my opinion, Lebron's size, speed and strength give him an advantage over Wade, however slight. Everyone's free to disagree though.

Rameek

07-03-2007, 05:28 PM

kobe, duncan, wade, garnett, lebron
Lebron to me is only #5 because of potential he still hasnt scratched the surface of his talent dont know if he ever will either.:cheers:

leBron Bieber

11-22-2020, 02:12 AM

I think he is...

1. Duncan
2. Kobe
3. Lebron
4. Garnett
5. Dirk

then...

6. Nash
7. Wade
8. - 10. Melo, T-Mac, Amare, Iverson, Pierce, Arenas, Yao, ect. (whatever)

Idk its taboo to bring back old threads but let’s be honest . You wouldn’t believe it if it wasn’t written either . Transcendence clear as day . The guy didn’t even have an MVP yet and we all felt it . Appreciate greatness while it’s here :bowdown: