Better Finals performer: Stephen Curry vs Kobe Bryant

[Stanley Kobrick]

Who do you feel is better in the Finals, Stephen Curry or Kobe Bryant

[Mr Feeny]

What difference does it make? They're both poor.

For one reason or another, they have both struggled in the finals. Curry has better numbers but he's obviously playing in a different era, under different rules. His numbers in the finals aren't impressive, given context.

[999Guy]

I know people “feel” this but it’s not true at all.

Kobe has, AT LEAST 5 legitimately below tier offensive finals series.

00, 01, 04, 08, 10.

09 against Orlando was good but not great. Massive usage shot jacking against the Magic’s stay-home and drop coverage scheme that LeBron lit up much more effectively.

Stan Van Gundy made it a point not to load up or double superstars in 09. And yet still, LA mostly won with defense against Orlando.

His best aren’t even that good.

Kobe legitimately got his ass put in prison for over half his finals appearances.

RIP to him though.

[Wally450]

Kobe's 09 Finals was probably his best which is better than Curry's so I'll go with him.

[SouBeachTalents]

12 Finals between them and neither has ever had a memorable series. Curry has the better numbers but he had about as favorable a situation as any player has ever had in his Finals wins, Kobe had to put in more work for his last 2, so I'd probably go with him, even though he was the worst Finals performer of any top 10-15 player

[ImKobe]

What difference does it make? They're both poor.

For one reason or another, they have both struggled in the finals. Curry has better numbers but he's obviously playing in a different era, under different rules. His numbers in the finals aren't impressive, given context.

You certainly have something against people who actually have a winning record in the Finals.

"but his FG%!"

Did he win? Yes.

Kobe played in the least efficient era for guards since the defense was at an all-time high and both him & Steph are mostly jump shooters. Steph actually performed well in every Finals but the 2016 one, and he was playing on one leg & still shot 40% from three on 11 attempts while breaking the finals record. Kobe was injured in 2000 and and 2004 and went up against the GOAT defenses, but he still has put up great numbers in wins. 3 - 2 & 5 - 2 are nothing to laugh at, Kobe gets the nod because he obviously won 2 more and was the best player multiple times while Steph was only once in 2015.

[Rysio]

Its arguabale kobe faced better competition in the west every one of his finals run as did curry probably. Who cares finals are overrated.

[Stanley Kobrick]

very interesting selections so far

[Doranku]

12 Finals between them and neither has ever had a memorable series. Curry has the better numbers but he had about as favorable a situation as any player has ever had in his Finals wins, Kobe had to put in more work for his last 2, so I'd probably go with him, even though he was the worst Finals performer of any top 10-15 player

Has any other top 10-15 player faced the kind of defenses that Kobe did in the finals? Look at where the teams Kobe faced in the finals ranked defensively:

Pacers - 6th
76ers - 5th
Nets - 1st
Pistons - 2nd
Celtics - 1st
Magic - 1st
Celtics - 5th

For comparison's sake, let's look at Curry:

Cavs - 18th
Cavs - 10th
Cavs - 21st
Cavs - 29th
Raptors - 5th

I wonder what Kobe's finals numbers would look like if he were able to play the same bottom tier defensive team in 80% of his finals.

[Lebron23]

Kobe Bryant. 2 finals MVP Is better than none.

[LAmbruh]

What difference does it make? They're both poor.

For one reason or another, they have both struggled in the finals. Curry has better numbers but he's obviously playing in a different era, under different rules. His numbers in the finals aren't impressive, given context.

Curry's 2015 Finals stats are especially out of context when you rewatch the series


Most of his points came in garbage time when the game was far out of reach

[Stanley Kobrick]

Curry's 2015 Finals stats are especially out of context when you rewatch the series


Most of his points came in garbage time when the game was far out of reach
i agree with you Lambruh

[SouBeachTalents]

Has any other top 10-15 player faced the kind of defenses that Kobe did in the finals? Look at where the teams Kobe faced in the finals ranked defensively:

Pacers - 6th
76ers - 5th
Nets - 1st
Pistons - 2nd
Celtics - 1st
Magic - 1st
Celtics - 5th

For comparison's sake, let's look at Curry:

Cavs - 18th
Cavs - 10th
Cavs - 21st
Cavs - 29th
Raptors - 5th

I wonder what Kobe's finals numbers would look like if he were able to play the same bottom tier defensive team in 80% of his finals.
Off the top of my head I bet Wilt's were comparable, maybe LeBron's too. What's weird though is Kobe would always bust up the Spurs and they were almost always an elite defense. Kobe to me just seemed to press more in the Finals, especially around '04. I bet during those last 4 Finals runs the Finals would not only be his most inefficient series, but the one he took the most shots as well. I don't dispute the defenses played a factor, but that's just too consistent of a track record to not take into account. Not to mention, we saw his contemporaries (LeBron in '09, Wade in '10, every other SG the Sixers faced) have a much better series against the same teams

[Stanley Kobrick]

Off the top of my head I bet Wilt's were comparable, maybe LeBron's too. What's weird though is Kobe would always bust up the Spurs and they were almost always an elite defense. Kobe to me just seemed to press more in the Finals, especially around '04. I bet during those last 4 Finals runs the Finals would not only be his most inefficient series, but the one he took the most shots as well. I don't dispute the defenses played a factor, but that's just too consistent of a track record to not take into account. Not to mention, we saw his contemporaries (LeBron in '09, Wade in '10, every other SG the Sixers faced) have a much better series against the same teams
high iq poster

[Axe]

Afaik, kobe never went 0/8 in go-ahead shots during the last 20 seconds of crucial playoff games.

[FultzNationRISE]

“But but but the East is WEAK!!!!”


How could these two shit the bed so often against Eastern Conference teams in the playoffs!?!!

[Stanley Kobrick]

after 250 thread views and 16 replies, Curry has yet to get a single vote

[SouBeachTalents]

after 15 replies Curry has yet to get a single vote
Well it is almost June

[Stanley Kobrick]

Well it is almost June
indeed it is that time of the season for him

[RRR3]

Can't wait for Stephonit to see this thread and start foaming at the mouth about how Kobe is a "lesser player" than Curry and we are all sheep fooled by ESPN highlights because Curry is actually a legendary finals performer since he hit a 3 pointer with his team up 17 in the third quarter of a series in which they were up 3-0.

[Stanley Kobrick]

Can't wait for Stephonit to see this thread and start foaming at the mouth about how Kobe is a "lesser player" than Curry and we are all sheep fooled by ESPN highlights because Curry is actually a legendary finals performer since he hit a 3 pointer with his team up 17 in the third quarter of a series in which they were up 3-0.stephonit is one fascinating creature. i still don't understand what ptcssd means. i think it's a new harddrive technology or something

[Bronbron23]

Ill go with the guy thats a good defender and dosnt need a shit ton of screens to be effective offensively.

[AlternativeAcc.]

stephonit is one fascinating creature. i still don't understand what ptcssd means. i think it's a new harddrive technology or something

At least when 3ball trolls about jordan, he's trolling about a legit top 10 GOAT

trolling about curry being a GOAT candidate is just awkward and cringe.

Weak trolling should be a bannable offence. I'm offended we allow such lazy, incompetent trolling to take place on this forum. Frankly, it pisses me the **** off.

[Axe]

At least when 3ball trolls about jordan, he's trolling about a legit top 10 GOAT

trolling about curry being a GOAT candidate is just awkward and cringe.

Weak trolling should be a bannable offence. I'm offended we allow such lazy, incompetent trolling to take place on this forum. Frankly, it pisses me the **** off.
Yet, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that all you stans are the same lmao.

In other words, amongst all of you, there's no exception to this rule. And so, don't be confident to act like a self-entitled hypocrite.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Yet, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that all you stans are the same lmao.

In other words, amongst all of you, there's no exception to this rule. And so, don't be confident to act like a self-entitled hypocrite.

^

this is the quality trolling I come here for

[Roundball_Rock]

12 Finals between them and neither has ever had a memorable series. Curry has the better numbers but he had about as favorable a situation as any player has ever had in his Finals wins, Kobe had to put in more work for his last 2, so I'd probably go with him, even though he was the worst Finals performer of any top 10-15 player

Yet Kobe is considered the gold standard of being "clutch" by many, especially people who then say LeBron isn't. Kobe definitely is the worst finals performer of the top 10 all-time. If you broaden it to top 15 it is Oscar, but both his finals were when he was past his prime (the second was his final season) so that would be unfair to Oscar. Kobe has no excuse.


Kobe played in the least efficient era for guards since the defense

The problem is Wade and Iverson both played better in the finals in the same era. True, Iverson only got there once but Wade has a better finals performance record than Kobe. Kobe just took a lot of bad shots a player like Wade wouldn't.

[Axe]

^

this is the quality trolling I come here for
Lol what? I guess you're only here because there is so much freedom in ish. But in a much more civilized forum, you're just going to get dish out like trash without a doubt, i tell ya.

And what do you hope to achieve for cyberbullying about a certain athlete or their stans? Money? Okay, i know this is just way to predictable but at least there is some reality about it. So please do go on.

[Stephonit]

At least when 3ball trolls about jordan, he's trolling about a legit top 10 GOAT

trolling about curry being a GOAT candidate is just awkward and cringe.


It's called being ahead of the curve. I know you know that and that's why you're promoting the idea of banning because it's going to make you look bad.

[SouBeachTalents]

Curry with 0/11 votes again

[AlternativeAcc.]

Yet Kobe is considered the gold standard of being "clutch" by many, especially people who then say LeBron isn't. Kobe definitely is the worst finals performer of the top 10 all-time. If you broaden it to top 15 it is Oscar, but both his finals were when he was past his prime (the second was his final season) so that would be unfair to Oscar. Kobe has no excuse.



The problem is Wade and Iverson both played better in the finals in the same era. True, Iverson only got there once but Wade has a better finals performance record than Kobe. Kobe just took a lot of bad shots a player like Wade wouldn't.
Low IQ fans conflate aggressiveness (shooting a lot) into being clutch

yo mang kobe ain't got no feAr

Kobe was the master of having no shame when it came to missing a ton of shots and ruining team chemistry. He was so matter of fact and nonchalant about taking horrible shots and missing that people became desensitized to it. So whenever he actually did make a clutch shot (rare), it was very memorable and rewarding for them. They didn't remember the seemingly millions of clutch shots kobe missed, because those were normal. They remembered the hand full of clutch shots he made each year and were fixated on them, thus brainwashing themselves into believing kobe was actually clutch.

[Stephonit]

Curry with 0/11 votes again

Apparently so. And this poll has the same value.

[Roundball_Rock]

Low IQ fans conflate aggressiveness (shooting a lot) into being clutch

yo mang kobe ain't got no feAr

Kobe was the master of having no shame when it came to missing a ton of shots and ruining team chemistry. He was so matter of fact and nonchalant about taking horrible shots and missing that people became desensitized to it. So whenever he actually did make a clutch shot (rare), it was very memorable and rewarding for them. They didn't remember the seemingly millions of clutch shots kobe missed, because those were normal. They remembered the hand full of clutch shots he made each year and were fixated on them, thus brainwashing themselves into believing kobe was actually clutch.

Yeah the makes get hyped and remembered but not the misses. Even if they are remembered, they get credited for having the "killer instinct" to take the shot in the first place, even if it is a bad shot with 2 or 3 defenders draped over you.

Zach Lavine has the same mentality. He makes a lot of clutch shots but that is because he takes every shot and a few are bound to go in. Lavine would be a hyped player if on a good team because of his mentality and athleticism but Lavine does not play winning basketball (at least not right now).

[AlternativeAcc.]

It's called being ahead of the curve. I know you know that and that's why you're promoting the idea of banning because it's going to make you look bad.
I'm not buying your bullshit and you're on thin ice..

[Axe]

Apparently so. And this poll has the same value.
So where's you're Solico account?

[Stephonit]

I'm not buying your bullshit and you're on thin ice..

As much as you act like a douche at times, I've caught enough of a whiff of intelligence from you to know that you aren't exactly empty up there unlike some of the others here. You're buying it because you know.


So where's you're Solico account?

It's Sulico not Solico.

[Axe]

By the way, let me tell that silence means guilty. 😏

[Axe]

It's Sulico not Solico.
So it was your dup account, after all? 🤔

[Stephonit]

So it was your dup account, after all? ��

You can believe what you want. Whatever makes you happy. We're here to bring joy to the world. That's what we do.

[Stanley Kobrick]

At least when 3ball trolls about jordan, he's trolling about a legit top 10 GOAT

trolling about curry being a GOAT candidate is just awkward and cringe.

Weak trolling should be a bannable offence. I'm offended we allow such lazy, incompetent trolling to take place on this forum. Frankly, it pisses me the **** off.
have you met Stephonit (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/member.php?373931-Stephonit) twin brother solico? he was spotted floating around another stephen curry thread earlier today. these curry fans sure do love to have multiple accounts. maybe if they scream enough times from different voices a couple people will start to believe them

[Stephonit]

I think we can now officially add paranoia to the list of PCTSD symptoms.

[Stanley Kobrick]

after two pages and 40 replies, stephen curry has yet to be awarded a single vote

[Axe]

You can believe what you want. Whatever makes you happy. We're here to bring joy to the world. That's what we do.
Lol with thousands to millions of deceitful scumbags around the world, I can't blame myself if i had to be more suspicious or aware about those who obviously act like one.

[AlternativeAcc.]

have you met Stephonit (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/member.php?373931-Stephonit) twin brother solico? he was spotted floating around another stephen curry thread earlier today. these curry fans sure do love to have multiple accounts. maybe if they scream enough times from different voices a couple people will start to believe them

I only come on here for 5 or 10 minutes a week, I don't usually keep up with that sort of stuff

Not surprised in the least though, this guy seems to enjoy the attention he's been getting. Add an alt to the mix + make it obvious on purpose and you've graduated from the welfarefan school of attention seeking phagotry

although stephonit isn't nearly as pathetic imo

[Gougou]

Kobe first final got carried by Shaq (Shaq averaged 38 PTS in 6 games LOL, Kobe 15 on like 36% shooting...), then later 2 he did actually ok, Shaq was still best player during those finals, 10 finals and 09 finals was his best, 04 finals he got shut down by that Pistons defense, 08 Celtics was clearly better. Won 2 MVP out of 5.

I feel like Curry has a lot of impact but many time he been overshadowed by someone else, like 2015 Iggy was the most important player, 2017-18 Durant was clearly the best player during that finals, that's why he didn't won the finals MVP, so Kobe was definitely better.

[Mr Feeny]

That isnt what we are discussing though. Orcourse he won. He played with Shaq for most of them. Fisher won as well, but that it's the discussion.

Its about Kobe's finals performances. When he has 15pp on 36%, that's a knock. Not sure why you're getting sensitive.

[Stanley Kobrick]

kobe has an iconic playoff moment, like the lob to shaq and the game winner vs Suns. we've yet to find a single iconic stephen curry playoff moment. but i must digress, we are talking finals strictly

[Stanley Kobrick]

after 4 pages and dozens of users we have yet to get a single vote for stephen curry

[SouBeachTalents]

after 4 pages and dozens of users we have yet to get a single vote for stephen curry
That's the same problem Curry seems to have after 5 Finals

[LostCause]

Kobe, but they aren't that far apart really

I don't know what it was with Curry in 2015, there was evidence he was injured still, but that just wasn't a good end to what could've arguably been a GOAT season (Especially offensively for Curry). He's had better moments since then, and would've had the 2018 Finals MVP in the bag probably had he not delivered that bomb in Game 3

Kobe plays hard at both ends. His lows are lower than Curry's (2004) but his highs I think are better (2009 Finals vs 2017 for Curry). Curry almost averaged a triple-double in 2017 but Kobe was better defensively while carrying a bigger burden offensively

[Stanley Kobrick]

18-1, very interesting

[red1]

not even comparable.





kobe >>>>>> curry

[Stanley Kobrick]

That's the same problem Curry seems to have after 5 Finals


indeed so, zero FMVP votes, zero ISH votes

[LAmbruh]

94.44% votes for Kobe


damn


curry is even worse than we initially thought

[Axe]

So i guess it's safe to say that he's really just a second-rate, after all.

[Stephonit]

This poll confirms that Stephen Curry is the best ever.

[Axe]

👀👀👀

[Stanley Kobrick]

So i guess it's safe to say that he's really just a second-rate, after all.
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