Morey: LeBron GOAT human to play ball. Athletes today much better than in the 90s

[Uncle Drew]

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[Uncle Drew]

Thanks for the 5 stars, I appreciate it! :cheers:

[Cyrus334]

He completely lost any semblance of respect the moment he said "that's not even a question".

Believing Lebron is the best is fine, there's more than enough data to make a case for that.

But to say "it's not even a question"? Really lol?

[Manny98]

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[ArbitraryWater]

he said lebron is the greatest human to play basketball?

lol

nice though.


Aanother one indeed.


MJ doc not going as expected for MJ stans lol.

The consensus of LeBron as GOAT is happening.

logic is winning.

[G0ATbe]

The list just keeps growing:applause:

And it’s only gonna get bigger when Bron conquers the Coronavirus to win #4.

[Docs Orders]

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[RRR3]

How dare he insinuate LeGod is a mere human???!?!?

[FKAri]

He's not saying Lebron's the greatest basketball playing human.

He is saying that out of all the people to have EVER played basketball, Lebron's the GREATEST HUMAN of them all.

[LeCroix]

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[Bronbron23]

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I would like to know how many nba players today can run a 4.35 dunk from the foul line and get their head at rim off both 1 and 2 feet:facepalm

Oh and bo jackaon would still be the most athletic running back or human today so not sure how your evolution theory makes any sense.

[RRR3]

He's not saying Lebron's the greatest basketball playing human.

He is saying that out of all the people to have EVER played basketball, Lebron's the GREATEST HUMAN of them all.
LeJesus :bowdown:

[Bronbron23]

He's not saying Lebron's the greatest basketball playing human.

He is saying that out of all the people to have EVER played basketball, Lebron's the GREATEST HUMAN of them all.

I would of said he had a case until the whole china thing. Their were other players that took much more risk in much more difficult times to speak up. lebron dosnt hold a candle to Kareem and Russell.

[LostCause]

He's not saying Lebron's the greatest basketball playing human.

He is saying that out of all the people to have EVER played basketball, Lebron's the GREATEST HUMAN of them all.

Seems he's definitely saying LeBrons the first and not the second

[FultzNationRISE]

He's not saying Lebron's the greatest basketball playing human.

He is saying that out of all the people to have EVER played basketball, Lebron's the GREATEST HUMAN of them all.


Ehh, I didnt quite see it that way.

Looks more to me like his basic point is that of all the people to be great humans, AND all the people who have played basketball, Lebron has a much bigger pen1s than anyone from either group.

[Bronbron23]

Ehh, I didnt quite see it that way.

Looks more to me like his basic point is that of all the people to be great humans, AND all the people who have played basketball, Lebron has a much bigger pen1s than anyone from either group.

Pretty sure theres a video that says otherwise

[Axe]

More like selfless goat loser in nba finals history

[FultzNationRISE]

Pretty sure theres a video that says otherwise



Pretty sure you could catch a buck fifty if you dont watch your mouth.

[3ball]

Usain Bolt is only a couple tenths faster than Carl Lewis or other guys from the 90's

That isn't "a lot" better as More said

Today's athletes aren't better - they simply do fancier dunks

[red1]

morey is a smart guy, unlike the poster above me.



gotta say I have to grudgingly agree with morey. :(

[deathawaitu]

Add morey to the list of dumbass along with all the LeBron stans

Different nutrition, technologies, and PED

Only retards would compare eras.

[knicksman]

well its expected from the statnerd of GMs. The guy thinks harden or westbrook is better than cp3 yet cp3 is outperforming both of them combined

[SATAN]

He completely lost any semblance of respect the moment he said "that's not even a question".

Believing Lebron is the best is fine, there's more than enough data to make a case for that.

But to say "it's not even a question"? Really lol?

Isn't that the exact thing Jordan fanatics who have barely watched basketball in the last 20 years do?

[LAmbruh]

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[Roundball_Rock]

Isn't that the exact thing Jordan fanatics who have barely watched basketball in the last 20 years do?

Good point.

[LeCroix]

Isn't that the exact thing Jordan fanatics who have barely watched basketball in the last 20 years do?

Thicc point

[red1]

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[LAmbruh]

always respected Morey

[Bronbron23]

Pretty sure you could catch a buck fifty if you dont watch your mouth.

Ok fakkit

[Cyrus334]

Isn't that the exact thing Jordan fanatics who have barely watched basketball in the last 20 years do?

Yes, and those are the kind of people I have little to no respect for. You can say whoever is the GOAT, Jordan or Lebron or Kareem or w/e, but saying nonsense like "it's not even close" is just blatantly false.

[Axe]

If athletes today are actually better compared to older ones from 30 years ago or more, then more or less, it should also translate to teams having more potential to win 70 games in one season, right? So how come only the warriors were able to achieve that (so far) in this century? Outside of 73, the highest regular season win total by a top seed team is 67 since 2000. Whereas during the 70s and 90s, there are different seasons with at least 68 wins or more.

[ImKobe]

If athletes today are actually better compared to older ones from 30 years ago or more, then more or less, it should also translate to teams having more potential to win 70 games in one season, right? So how come only the warriors were able to achieve that (so far) in this century? Outside of 73, the highest regular season win total by a top seed team is 67 since 2000. Whereas during the 70s and 90s, there are different seasons with at least 68 wins or more.

The league expanded/added new teams. It's impossible to win 70+ games in the West when you have 6-7 other great teams that win 45+ games.

The Western Conference was kind of weak in 2016 with a bunch of tanking teams and only 4 teams winning 50+ games, which made it possible for the Warriors to break the 72-10 record and for the Spurs to win 67 games at the same time.

Athletes are better, but that doesn't mean it's easier for the best players/teams in the league to dominate, the average starter is more athletic/better conditioned than your average starter from past eras.

Look at all the top winning seasons, almost all of them were done in a relatively weak Conference or in a year where the league added new teams that sucked. It was easier for a great team like the Celtics to constantly win a high number of games in the 80s because their Conference only had 11-12 teams and they played them 5-6 times a season. The mid-80s were just so weak, when the Celtics got to play a 30-52 Chicago team in the first round and when the Lakers only had one other 50+ win team in their Conference.

[86Celtics]

Expected nothing less from the main advocate of this pussified no-defence 3-point chucking era.

[Axe]

The league expanded/added new teams. It's impossible to win 70+ games in the West when you have 6-7 other great teams that win 45+ games.

The Western Conference was kind of weak in 2016 with a bunch of tanking teams and only 4 teams winning 50+ games, which made it possible for the Warriors to break the 72-10 record and for the Spurs to win 67 games at the same time.

Athletes are better, but that doesn't mean it's easier for the best players/teams in the league to dominate, the average starter is more athletic/better conditioned than your average starter from past eras.

Look at all the top winning seasons, almost all of them were done in a relatively weak Conference or in a year where the league added new teams that sucked. It was easier for a great team like the Celtics to constantly win a high number of games in the 80s because their Conference only had 11-12 teams and they played them 5-6 times a season. The mid-80s were just so weak, when the Celtics got to play a 30-52 Chicago team in the first round and when the Lakers only had one other 50+ win team in their Conference.
Interesting summary and detail, i see.

And to think of it, there were a handful of occurrences in the league already in which all eight playoff qualifying teams in the western conference had at least 50 or more wins while in the east, as usual, there were teams in the last or last two spots that are still able to qualify even if they had losing records.

[ArbitraryWater]

If athletes today are actually better compared to older ones from 30 years ago or more, then more or less, it should also translate to teams having more potential to win 70 games in one season, right? So how come only the warriors were able to achieve that (so far) in this century? Outside of 73, the highest regular season win total by a top seed team is 67 since 2000. Whereas during the 70s and 90s, there are different seasons with at least 68 wins or more.

This is some of the most tunnel vision thinking i have ever seen. Some absolutely dumb shit.

How can logic be this thin. How can this make sense to a brain.

The current NBA is the strongest ever. EVERY team has at least one all-star level player.

[Axe]

This is some of the most tunnel vision thinking i have ever seen. Some absolutely dumb shit.

How can logic be this thin. How can this make sense to a brain.

The current NBA is the strongest ever. EVERY team has at least one all-star level player.
I was only asking, ya autistic retard of a sperm error.

Oh and i see it's dumbshit enough to wet your tampon with gallons of blood again.

Need tissue? Go get some for your sorry ass.

[LAmbruh]

Thanks for the 5 stars, I appreciate it! :cheers:

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[LeCroix]

If athletes today are actually better compared to older ones from 30 years ago or more, then more or less, it should also translate to teams having more potential to win 70 games in one season, right? So how come only the warriors were able to achieve that (so far) in this century? Outside of 73, the highest regular season win total by a top seed team is 67 since 2000. Whereas during the 70s and 90s, there are different seasons with at least 68 wins or more.


I keep it simple.on your mind

MJ was a outlier in 90s

Most 90 guys are athletic level 5
Now its like most are 8
60s guys were like 4

So when you are a 10 (Wilt, MJ, LBJ) you stick out more among 4s than you do 8s

MJ was a 10 playing 5s
LBJ was a 10 playing 8s

The era is harder now, no trash can 6s to make you look better. Mailmen and mechanica dont play nba anymore ya dig???

[Docs Orders]

I keep it simple.on your mind

MJ was a outlier in 90s

Most 90 guys are athletic level 5
Now its like most are 8
60s guys were like 4

So when you are a 10 (Wilt, MJ, LBJ) you stick out more among 4s than you do 8s

MJ was a 10 playing 5s
LBJ was a 10 playing 8s

The era is harder now, no trash can 6s to make you look better. Mailmen and mechanica dont play nba anymore ya dig???

solid ELI5 breakdown

[LeCroix]

solid ELI5 breakdown

Thank you broseph :cheers:

[tpols]

doesnt add up.

We know Lebron's biggest kryptonite is good defensive centers ala Tyson Chandler, old Tim Duncan, Roy Hibbert, Andrew Bogut, etc.

In the 90s he'd see Ewing, Shaq, D-Rob, Zo, Mutumbo, Hakeem, etc.

Layup line would be cutoff and he'd shell up like he did in this era when that happened.

He'd be Larry Johnson in the 90's.

[LeCroix]

doesnt add up.

We know Lebron's biggest kryptonite is good defensive centers ala Tyson Chandler, old Tim Duncan, Roy Hibbert, Andrew Bogut, etc.

In the 90s he'd see Ewing, Shaq, D-Rob, Zo, Mutumbo, Hakeem, etc.

Layup line would be cutoff and he'd shell up like he did in this era when that happened.

LBJ gets john starks and craig ehlo and jeff hornacek out on the perimeter 1-on-1 when he used to george.paul, kawhi, iggy, klay, siakam, dray? Field day :lol

PS: dont forget kg, d12, ibaka, etc.

[tpols]

nah he'd get oakley, mason, X-man, malone, and rodman.

With big shot blocking centers behind them.

Would be in a straight jacket.

[LeCroix]

nah he'd get oakley, mason, X-man, malone, and rodman.

With big shot blocking centers behind them.

Would be in a straight jacket.


Brotha please. LBJ on the 90s league means he gets john starks and craig ehlo and jeff hornacek and byron russell out on the perimeter 1-on-1 when he is in 2010 used to george paul, butler, kawhi, iggy, klay, siakam, dray? LBJ is straight up havin a Field day in the 90s :lol

[Whoah10115]

Also said Harden is best scorer ever.

So not one.

[Bronbron23]

I keep it simple.on your mind

MJ was a outlier in 90s

Most 90 guys are athletic level 5
Now its like most are 8
60s guys were like 4

So when you are a 10 (Wilt, MJ, LBJ) you stick out more among 4s than you do 8s

MJ was a 10 playing 5s
LBJ was a 10 playing 8s

The era is harder now, no trash can 6s to make you look better. Mailmen and mechanica dont play nba anymore ya dig???

thing with this is reality dosnt match this perception. Lets look at the top 10 players today.

Bron
Greek
Luka
Harden
Kawhi
Steph
Kd
Davis
Westbrick
Beal

Now lets look at say 95

Jordan
Hakeem
Shaq
Malone
Robinson
Barkley
Ewing
Penny
Payton
Kemp

Whats the difference? Other than the top players in the 90's being bigger because of how the game was played theres no clear edge athletically speaking. Robinson, a young shaq, kemp and penny were as athletic as the top 4 from the present day list. Greek is probably the best and hes no more of a freak than a young shaq. Shaq was probably even mre impressive because of the strength factor.

Where are these great athletic 2 gaurds that mj would be going up against? Beal and booker are probably the most athletic 2 gaurds that are all star level. Are they anymore athletic than some of the 2 gaurds mj went up against in the 90's? Clyde, Stackhouse, sprewell, rider, hill, sean elliott and reggie lewis are all way more athletic than klay and everyone is either equal or more athletic than beal.

[r0drig0lac]

thing with this is reality dosnt match this perception. Lets look at the top 10 players today.

Bron
Greek
Luka
Harden
Kawhi
Steph
Kd
Davis
Westbrick
Beal

Now lets look at say 95

Jordan
Hakeem
Shaq
Malone
Robinson
Barkley
Ewing
Penny
Payton
Kemp

Whats the difference? Other than the top players in the 90's being bigger because of how the game was played theres no clear edge athletically speaking. Robinson, a young shaq, kemp and penny were as athletic as the top 4 from the present day list. Greek is probably the best and hes no more of a freak than a young shaq. Shaq was probably even mre impressive because of the strength factor.

Where are these great athletic 2 gaurds that mj would be going up against? Beal and booker are probably the most athletic 2 gaurds that are all star level. Are they anymore athletic than some of the 2 gaurds mj went up against in the 90's? Clyde, Stackhouse, sprewell, rider, hill, sean elliott and reggie lewis are all way more athletic than klay and everyone is either equal or more athletic than beal.

the list of 90`s is undoubtedly stronger and more athletic, maybe the 14th or 15th player with low IQ and without the ability to have minutes on the court is more athletic than the previous average, which in fact means absolutely nothing and only happens due to the massification of the sport, however, the theory of being human evolution in two decades and one of the most stupid things that were repeated as if they were really real.


see the best team of the regular season in the east, and only Giannis is close to the athletic level of Pippen, Jordan, Harper and Rodman at s5 or Golden State, where only Durant and Javale are close to that level and Dray may be the only tough guy in list,
the problem of a lie repeated over time ends up becoming a reality in many cases.

[LeCroix]

thing with this is reality dosnt match this perception. Lets look at the top 10 players today.

Bron
Greek
Luka
Harden
Kawhi
Steph
Kd
Davis
Westbrick
Beal

Now lets look at say 95

Jordan
Hakeem
Shaq
Malone
Robinson
Barkley
Ewing
Penny
Payton
Kemp

Whats the difference? Other than the top players in the 90's being bigger because of how the game was played theres no clear edge athletically speaking. Robinson, a young shaq, kemp and penny were as athletic as the top 4 from the present day list. Greek is probably the best and hes no more of a freak than a young shaq. Shaq was probably even mre impressive because of the strength factor.

Where are these great athletic 2 gaurds that mj would be going up against? Beal and booker are probably the most athletic 2 gaurds that are all star level. Are they anymore athletic than some of the 2 gaurds mj went up against in the 90's? Clyde, Stackhouse, sprewell, rider, hill, sean elliott and reggie lewis are all way more athletic than klay and everyone is either equal or more athletic than beal.

You miss the point. The average player is just better now. Its a more competitive league now because 10s dont stick out from the pack. Got this point?

A 10 sticks out in a pack of 4s.
A 10 sticks out in a pack of 5s.
A 10 doesnt stick out in a pack of 8s.

Think to this, avg athletic ability ratings and the era outliers shows why this era is toughest ever.

Avg athletic rank, 1 to 10:
For 60s guys is like a 4. Players smoked before, during after games. Had multi jobs, etc. Little money to be made = not taken seriously. The outlier 10 is Wilt.

For 90s guys is like a 5. Players still smoke and drink beers during games. Mechanics and grocery employees still in the league. Good money to be made = taken sorta seriously. The outlier 10 is MJ.

For 2010 guys is like a 8. They are all professionals with advanced technique and nutrition info. A lot of money to be made = taken very seriously. The outlier 11 is LBJ.

Wilt at 10 vs league of 4s
MJ at 10 vs league of 5s
LBJ at 11 vs league of 8s

Hope this helps the community

[DoctorP]

yeah Jokic is shitting on the league as such a great athletic specimen :lol

[Whoah10115]

You miss the point. The average player is just better now. Its a more competitive league now because 10s dont stick out from the pack. Got this point?

A 10 sticks out in a pack of 4s.
A 10 sticks out in a pack of 5s.
A 10 doesnt stick out in a pack of 8s.

Think to this, avg athletic ability ratings and the era outliers shows why this era is toughest ever.

Avg athletic rank, 1 to 10:
For 60s guys is like a 4. Players smoked before, during after games. Had multi jobs, etc. Little money to be made = not taken seriously. The outlier 10 is Wilt.

For 90s guys is like a 5. Players still smoke and drink beers during games. Mechanics and grocery employees still in the league. Good money to be made = taken sorta seriously. The outlier 10 is MJ.

For 2010 guys is like a 8. They are all professionals with advanced technique and nutrition info. A lot of money to be made = taken very seriously. The outlier 11 is LBJ.

Wilt at 10 vs league of 4s
MJ at 10 vs league of 5s
LBJ at 11 vs league of 8s

Hope this helps the community

LoL what do you know? You've never watched any basketball.

Don't think you actually watch now.

[Bronbron23]

You miss the point. The average player is just better now. Its a more competitive league now because 10s dont stick out from the pack. Got this point?

A 10 sticks out in a pack of 4s.
A 10 sticks out in a pack of 5s.
A 10 doesnt stick out in a pack of 8s.

Think to this, avg athletic ability ratings and the era outliers shows why this era is toughest ever.

Avg athletic rank, 1 to 10:
For 60s guys is like a 4. Players smoked before, during after games. Had multi jobs, etc. Little money to be made = not taken seriously. The outlier 10 is Wilt.

For 90s guys is like a 5. Players still smoke and drink beers during games. Mechanics and grocery employees still in the league. Good money to be made = taken sorta seriously. The outlier 10 is MJ.

For 2010 guys is like a 8. They are all professionals with advanced technique and nutrition info. A lot of money to be made = taken very seriously. The outlier 11 is LBJ.

Wilt at 10 vs league of 4s
MJ at 10 vs league of 5s
LBJ at 11 vs league of 8s

Hope this helps the community

nah dude this just isnt true. Position to position teams arnt anymore athletic than they werw 30 years ago. Your just talking shit. Exactly what teams would mj be going up against that are way more athletic than some of the teams he beat? Raptors? Philly? Celtics? Warriors? Rockets? Lakers? Shit the warriors crushed the league with some of the worst athletic players ever. Steph, klay and dray arnt athletic at all. Mj, pip and rod are wsy more athletic.

Exactly what team would be as athletic as the bulls still to this day?

[Bronbron23]

the list of 90`s is undoubtedly stronger and more athletic, maybe the 14th or 15th player with low IQ and without the ability to have minutes on the court is more athletic than the previous average, which in fact means absolutely nothing and only happens due to the massification of the sport, however, the theory of being human evolution in two decades and one of the most stupid things that were repeated as if they were really real.


see the best team of the regular season in the east, and only Giannis is close to the athletic level of Pippen, Jordan, Harper and Rodman at s5 or Golden State, where only Durant and Javale are close to that level and Dray may be the only tough guy in list,
the problem of a lie repeated over time ends up becoming a reality in many cases.

Yeah forsure man. This narrative is dumb as f*ck. The bulls would still be the most athletic team. Absolutely nobody in the east would give them any troubles andThey match up perfectly against the warriors. Harp on curry, mj on klay, pip on kd and rod on green. Each player from the bulls would be considerably more athletic than they player they'd be gaurding with the exception of pip and kd. Pip was still more athletic though.

[AlternativeAcc.]

It's not just athleticism

Players today are much more skilled (guards and wings especially) and defenses are much more sophisticated

90s retards are hung up on raw athelticism when that's only a fraction of why today's game is far superior and more legit. They have to create straw mans to avoid the truth.

Jordan fans/40 yo life long losers have low IQ and inability to grasp mutli-layered concepts

[LeCroix]

It's not just athleticism

Players today are much more skilled (guards and wings especially) and defenses are much more sophisticated

90s retards are hung up on raw athelticism when that's only a fraction of why today's game is far superior and more legit. They have to create straw mans to avoid the truth.

Jordan fans/40 yo life long losers have low IQ and inability to grasp mutli-layered concepts

exactamundo

average skill values are the point

1960s avg skill = 4
1990s avg skill = 5
2010's avg skill = 8

this is why a 10 skill player (wilt, mj, lbj) stick out more in the 60s and 90s because they are facing trash can players.

[AlternativeAcc.]

exactamundo

average skill values are the point

60s avg skill = 4
90s avg skill = 5
10's avg skill = 8

this is why 10s stick out more in the 60s and 90s

Precisely...

The average player is more SKILLED, more ATHLETIC, and more SOPHISTICATED

S.A.S.

The internet Era will go down as the most competitive Era in basketball history. I see a downturn coming soon

[Bronbron23]

It's not just athleticism

Players today are much more skilled (guards and wings especially) and defenses are much more sophisticated

90s retards are hung up on raw athelticism when that's only a fraction of why today's game is far superior and more legit. They have to create straw mans to avoid the truth.

Jordan fans/40 yo life long losers have low IQ and inability to grasp mutli-layered concepts

Dude are u on crack or just cant read? The op is the one that brought up athleticism. Everyone else is just responding to that.

And the more skilled thing isnt true either. It just a different time. You think bigs shooting threes means more skilled but thats just dumb. Yeah they can shoot the three better but the post skill and mid range isnt as good. Thats skill too.

As far as gaurd play its just the times. Theres more focus on gaurds now. They're more free to shoot more intead of having to dump it in the post all the time. It doesn't take alot of skill to run around screens and jack threes. Plenty of gaurds in the 90's stats would be higher if they played now.

[DoctorP]

https://www.nba.com/images/cms/2019-10/nikola-jokic-iso-laugh-practice.jpg?cw=1920&w=1998&x=0&ch=1080&h=2997&y=216

[Phoenix]

Dude are u on crack or just cant read?

Mutually inclusive.

[Axe]

90s retards are hung up on raw athelticism when that's only a fraction of why today's game is far superior and more legit. They have to create straw mans to avoid the truth.

Jordan fans/40 yo life long losers have low IQ and inability to grasp mutli-layered concepts
Scintillating double standards right there.

[FKAri]

thing with this is reality dosnt match this perception. Lets look at the top 10 players today.

Bron
Greek
Luka
Harden
Kawhi
Steph
Kd
Davis
Westbrick
Beal

Now lets look at say 95

Jordan
Hakeem
Shaq
Malone
Robinson
Barkley
Ewing
Penny
Payton
Kemp

Whats the difference?
Other than the fact that the modern players are better athletes, more skilled, far more intelligent, more savvy businessmen, better looking, have bigger diccs and are nicer neighbors? Not much.

[Gimmedarock]

90’s rosters are filled out with a lot of “role players” or guys who do the “dirty work”. Players that set picks, grab boards, block shots etc... Those guys usually couldn’t score. That type of player, Oakley, Mutumbo, Eaton, that doesn’t exist now. The game has evolved past that.

[RogueBorg]

I would like to know how many nba players today can run a 4.35 dunk from the foul line and get their head at rim off both 1 and 2 feet:facepalm

Oh and bo jackaon would still be the most athletic running back or human today so not sure how your evolution theory makes any sense.

According to OP, every single NBA player can do these things.

[86Celtics]

90’s rosters are filled out with a lot of “role players” or guys who do the “dirty work”. Players that set picks, grab boards, block shots etc... Those guys usually couldn’t score. That type of player, Oakley, Mutumbo, Eaton, that doesn’t exist now. The game has evolved past that.

Oakley, Mutombo and Eaton were defensive players. Mutombo won the DPOY 4 times and Eaton twice. So you're right, the game has changed. But it's not evolution but regression seeing that defence isn't allowed anymore. The current brand of basketball is a gimmick tailored for the casual observer who doesn't really understand and appreciate the game.

[Da_Realist]

Oakley, Mutombo and Eaton were defensive players. Mutombo won the DPOY 4 times and Eaton twice. So you're right, the game has changed. But it's not evolution but regression seeing that defence isn't allowed anymore. The current brand of basketball is a gimmick tailored for the casual observer who doesn't really understand and appreciate the game.

:applause:

[Roundball_Rock]

If defense was so important back then why does every discussion about players from then revolve almost exclusively around one dimension of offense (scoring)?

[3ball]

If defense was so important back then why does every discussion about players from then revolve almost exclusively around one dimension of offense (scoring)?

The team is supposed to play defense

But there's only one 2nd option scoring and clutch load

[SATAN]

a gimmick tailored for the casual observer who doesn't really understand and appreciate the game.

Much like The Last Dance.

I think the no defense today thing is completely exaggerated tbh. Is it the same? Of course not. Is defense being played? Yes. I just hate watching James Harden ect.

[LAL]

"Goat human"? LOL

[Roundball_Rock]

The team is supposed to play defense

But there's only one 2nd option scoring and clutch load

The team is supposed to score too. :oldlol: Even the biggest scorers only score a fraction of their team's points.

[j3lademaster]

You miss the point. The average player is just better now. Its a more competitive league now because 10s dont stick out from the pack. Got this point?

A 10 sticks out in a pack of 4s.
A 10 sticks out in a pack of 5s.
A 10 doesnt stick out in a pack of 8s.

Think to this, avg athletic ability ratings and the era outliers shows why this era is toughest ever.

Avg athletic rank, 1 to 10:
For 60s guys is like a 4. Players smoked before, during after games. Had multi jobs, etc. Little money to be made = not taken seriously. The outlier 10 is Wilt.

For 90s guys is like a 5. Players still smoke and drink beers during games. Mechanics and grocery employees still in the league. Good money to be made = taken sorta seriously. The outlier 10 is MJ.

For 2010 guys is like a 8. They are all professionals with advanced technique and nutrition info. A lot of money to be made = taken very seriously. The outlier 11 is LBJ.

Wilt at 10 vs league of 4s
MJ at 10 vs league of 5s
LBJ at 11 vs league of 8s

Hope this helps the communityi think what gives this illusion is that teams are much more ok with stacking the ends of their benches with young athletes who aren’t much of ballplayers.guys like James white. Big and strong, fast, can windmill from the free throw line. New York signed him to win a dunk contest.... People make fun of John starks but in terms of size and athleticism he’s basically Eric Gordon, who plays most of his minutes at the 3 in Houston. Lets leave the top c’s out of this... any idea how much Mourning, hell, Rony Seikaly would destroy pj tucker? Certainly donÂ’t see him flying out the gym.

One of the most iconic big 3s of the 10’s is Green, Klay and Steph. 3 guys who can barely dunk in nba standards. Kawhi is basically 2nd 3 peat mj that traded in some of his quickness and playmaking for 3 pt shooting and size.

Mitch Richmond is basically James harden from an athletic/size standpoint... which was the average wing of the 90s. And wasn’t a 38 year old Kidd not “athletic” enough to the the pg of a championship team just 9 years ago? We would typically diminish this, but then we’d be saying Lebron’s competition in his prime is watered down.

And why do we keep making fun of Craig Ehlo? That pisses off every real b-ball fan because anyone who knows anything about Ehlo knew him as a hardworking professional and solid vet for years. He’s the energy wing and pesky defender everyone wants on their team. Can hit the 3 respectably so he isn’t left open, willing to guard the toughest assignment on a nightly bases, doesn’t complain for touches, and once in a while he’ll get a chase down block on a Dominique Wilkins dunk and completely swing the momentum. He’s Marcus Smart. Oh wait, I forget people who don’t watch ball think white people can only be compared with white people. Um, Alex Caruso then.

[j3lademaster]

90’s rosters are filled out with a lot of “role players” or guys who do the “dirty work”. Players that set picks, grab boards, block shots etc... Those guys usually couldn’t score. That type of player, Oakley, Mutumbo, Eaton, that doesn’t exist now. The game has evolved past that.So no one should sign Rudy Gobert or Hassan Whiteside, am I right?

[scuzzy]

Even at 18, he was aware of everything around him. He understood that a lot of kids in his demographic don't get very far in life.

For him to be cognizant that him possibly even playing in the nba alone is such a massive accomplishment shows you how advanced he was as a person.

People put pressure and expectations on his shoulder at such a young age and he's exceeded all of it.

He married his high school sweetheart.

He supports his children fully.

Hasn't been in the tabloids(too much) for his exploits in his personal life.

He's helped his high school friends flourish.

He's putting money into the city he grew up in so kids don't have to try and be professional athletes to get out.

He's trying to clean up the city so kids in his hometown can grow up somewhat normally.

There is no debate, LeBron is the greatest role model in the history of the NBA

[Axe]

Even at 18, he was aware of everything around him. He understood that a lot of kids in his demographic don't get very far in life.

For him to be cognizant that him possibly even playing in the nba alone is such a massive accomplishment shows you how advanced he was as a person.

People put pressure and expectations on his shoulder at such a young age and he's exceeded all of it.

He married his high school sweetheart.

He supports his children fully.

Hasn't been in the tabloids(too much) for his exploits in his personal life.

He's helped his high school friends flourish.

He's putting money into the city he grew up in so kids don't have to try and be professional athletes to get out.

He's trying to clean up the city so kids in his hometown can grow up somewhat normally.

There is no debate, LeBron is the greatest role model in the history of the NBA
Yeah but despite all of this, too bad the man will still be receiving criticisms in social media.

[Sulico]

He's confusing "Greatest" and "Best" though.

Lebron without a doubt is a best player, better than players who played before him at least.
He prepares better, he knows more, he have bigger arsenal.

But greatness is defined by how good you perform against your peers.
And there were guys who performed pretty damn good against those who were in front of them.
Bill Russell have 11 rings. Bird and Magic were winning in one of the most competitive and stacked decades of all time. Jordan dominated NBA for about 9 years.

Lebron is out there but it's pretty freaking debatable how great he was compared to others.