lbj had toughest road to chip in 2013, 3 rnds in a row he beat: #6, #1, #3 defense

[LeCroix]

this could be the best chip of all his career. no one can match leborn on all his measures.

2012 for 3 mvps trio and ibaka iblocka
2013 for goat defense overcome and dynasty
2016 no need to explain

i cant find a better run to the chip then beating #6 #3 and #1 defense in arow.

defense ranks
ecsf #6
ecf #1
finals #3

gtfo

https://i.ibb.co/6ttHRb4/wow-leborn.png

[Soundwave]

https://i.imgur.com/I3Er05F.jpg

Yeah just amazing.

[Doranku]

Kobe in '09 beat a top 10 defensive team in every round (10th, 8th, 4th, and 1st). :bowdown:

[LeCroix]

Kobe in '09 beat a top 10 defensive team in every round (10th, 8th, 4th, and 1st). :bowdown:

that is pretty good! I knew Kobe could win in mjs place

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi Leonard beat the #1 ranked defense in Bucks, beat a defense led by Embiid\Butler, and beat Curry\Klay\Dray with 1 of them missing a game like 2016 finals. I would say that was the toughest path in NBA history for any player.

[Axe]

A near 50-win team and a perennial contender led by a 37 y.o. almost had them on the ropes.

[LeCroix]

A near 50-win team and a perennial contender led by a 37 y.o. almost had them on the ropes.

#6, #1, #3 beaten defense in a row to a chip

FETCH me better or shhh

[LeCroix]

Kawhi Leonard beat the #1 ranked defense in Bucks, beat a defense led by Embiid\Butler, and beat Curry\Klay\Dray with 1 of them missing a game like 2016 finals. I would say that was the toughest path in NBA history for any player.

I will look it up and get back to you, hold please

[Axe]

#6, #1, #3 beaten defense in a row to a chip

FETCH me better or shhh
Yup.

Thanks, chris bosh and ray allen. 😉

[LeCroix]

Kawhi Leonard beat the #1 ranked defense in Bucks, beat a defense led by Embiid\Butler, and beat Curry\Klay\Dray with 1 of them missing a game like 2016 finals. I would say that was the toughest path in NBA history for any player.

Kawhi beat #7, #1, #13
LeBron beat #6, #1, #3

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[LeCroix]

Yup.

Thanks, chris bosh and ray allen. ��

#6, #1, #3 beaten defense in a row to a chip. gtfo

FETCH me better or shhh

[Axe]

#6, #1, #3 beaten defense in a row to a chip. gtfo

FETCH me better or shhh
Spoiled paid troll replies with the same stupid response.

[LeCroix]

Spoiled paid troll replies with the same stupid response.


#6, #1, #3 beaten in a row

FETCH

[Axe]

Well, i'll just leave this here.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTpWYJPf7tF0U8fFWNZHki3ctBxilH SDNW2fMKHP7v90RvV6BXh&usqp=CAU

[LeCroix]

For the record I already checked MJ

Sorry my fren

[LostCause]

95 Rockets definitely had the toughest road through the championship based on competition

[LeCroix]

95 Rockets definitely had the toughest road through the championship based on competition

95 Rockets faced these defenses to a chip:
#20, #5, #13

LeBron faced #6, #1, #3

Close :lol

[GimmeThat]

well the defensive player of the year for the 2013 season was Marc Gasol. Meaning we're right back to the TO is defensive stat instead an offensive one.

Pacers offensive rating 20th, 29th in TOV per 100 and 21st in total TOV
Spurs offensive rating 7th, 9th in TOV per 100 and 17th in total TOV
Bulls offensive rating 23rd, 14th TOV per 100 and 9th in total TOV


it's time for the NFL to admit the model of having an offensive team personnel and a defensive team personnel doesn't work.
The lack of players involving in 2 way actions means it creates an environment of journeymen even at the moment the game is being played.

my one black friend forgot to tell me, getting a lawyer is The white mans game.

it seems the experiment of imperialism over lands yet been discovered has failed.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi beat #7, #1, #13
LeBron beat #6, #1, #3

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You have to adjust for injury\trade. Embiid was injured half the season and Butler didn't even play with Embiid for majority of the season. Embiid\Butler healthy and locked in for a 7 game series? That's an automatic top 5 defense.

[LeCroix]

You have to adjust for injury\trade. Embiid was injured half the season and Butler didn't even play with Embiid for majority of the season. Embiid\Butler healthy and locked in for a 7 game series? That's an automatic top 5 defense.

Uh, sure injuries happen , but still not as good.

6, 1, 3 is unmatchable brotha sorry to say

Even to boost #7 to #3 still is less???

6, 1, 3 lbj
3, 1, 13 kawhi

...

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Uh, sure injuries happen , but still not as good.

6, 1, 3 is unmatchable brotha sorry to say

Even to boost #7 to #3 still is less???

6, 1, 3 lbj
3, 1, 13 kawhi

...

Face two teams with top 3 level defenses in the east and in finals go against the 73 win core of Curry\Klay\Dray. That's an incredibly tough path, only excuse is Klay missed like a game.

[LeCroix]

Face two teams with top 3 level defenses in the east and in finals go against the 73 win core of Curry\Klay\Dray. That's an incredibly tough path, only excuse is Klay missed like a game.

Iggy is 3 years older

No 20 ppg olympian Barnes

Livingston older too

Good effort try tho

[BigShotBob]

Mods?

[LeCroix]

Mods?

so you are WarriorsFan :lol

why mods? This topic has never been brought up now grab a tissue and wipe your snot away lil fella

[Bronbron23]

this could be the best chip of all his career. no one can match leborn on all his measures.

2012 for 3 mvps trio and ibaka iblocka
2013 for goat defense overcome and dynasty
2016 no need to explain

i cant find a better run to the chip then beating #6 #3 and #1 defense in arow.

defense ranks
ecsf #6
ecf #1
finals #3

gtfo

https://i.ibb.co/6ttHRb4/wow-leborn.png

how is forming a super team the toughest road? I mean its all good. Do what ya gotta do to get the chips but lets not act like it was anything close to the toughest road.

[LeCroix]

how is forming a super team the toughest road? I mean its all good. Do what ya gotta do to get the chips but lets not act like it was anything close to the toughest road.

2013 chip beat

#6 defense
#1 defense
#3 defense

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Iggy is 3 years older

No 20 ppg olympian Barnes

Livingston older too

Good effort try tho

Iggy 2016 finals: 9 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assist per game, 51% eFG
Iggy 2019 finals: 9 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assist per game, 52% eFG

Sounds like the roughly the same player to me.

As far as Harrison Barnes? Stop embarrassing yourself, he averaged 9 points on 35% FG in the 2016 finals hahaha

[LeCroix]

2013 chip beat

#6 defense
#1 defense
#3 defense

Find better

[ImKobe]

Is OP off his meds again?

Didn't face a single 50-win team en route to the Finals, all those teams were below-average offensively(20-23rd in ORTG :kobe: ). Bulls had a negative SRS & Deng, their best player, was injured for the series.

Finals were tough on him, but the Heat caught a break with Parker getting injured + the improbable comeback at the end of Game 6.

[Axe]

It took 16 games for the heat to reach the finals that year.

[LeCroix]

Is OP off his meds again?

Didn't face a single 50-win team en route to the Finals, all those teams were below-average offensively(20-23rd in ORTG :kobe: ). Bulls had a negative SRS & Deng, their best player, was injured for the series.

Finals were tough on him, but the Heat caught a break with Parker getting injured + the improbable comeback at the end of Game 6.

2013 lbj chip run beat

#6 defense (ecsf)
#1 defense (ecf)
#3 defense (finals)

Back 2 back 2 back

Find. Better.

Go fetch

[Turbo Slayer]

2013 lbj chip run beat

#6 defense (ecsf)
#1 defense (ecf)
#3 defense (finals)

Back 2 back 2 back

Find. Better.

Go fetch You are conveniently leaving out Off Rtg when it fits your agenda. LeBron faced basically bottom of the league offensively minded teams on his path to the Finals in 2013.

#22 offense (EC 1st round)

#22 offense (escf)

#23 offense (ECF)

[Axe]

You are conveniently leaving out Off Rtg when it fits your agenda. LeBron faced basically bottom of the league offensively minded teams on his path to the Finals in 2013.

#22 offense (EC 1st round)

#22 offense (escf)

#23 offense (ECF)
Lol good job at exposing this.

[Turbo Slayer]

Lol good job at exposing this. Thanks Axe. :cheers:

I will try to be neutral and understanding for both sides. But 1 thing I cannot tolerate is the misuse of context like LeCroix painting in his post (Post #31) to make it seem like LeBron faced tougher playoff competition than his counterparts.

[tpols]

all those teams were so shitty the only reason they were even remotely viable to make the playoffs was by playing goon style defense.

Of course, we have an endless compilation of LeBitch flopping against the pacers and bulls... who were literal trash at, basketball. You know dribbling passing shooting and the such.

[Axe]

Thanks Axe. :cheers:

I will try to be neutral and understanding for both sides. But 1 thing I cannot tolerate is the misuse of context like LeCroix painting in his post (Post #31) to make it seem like LeBron faced tougher playoff competition than his counterparts.
That's nice. Keep it up.

Also, let me remind you the guy is actually one of the funded trolls here. Notice the threads he makes. All worship to lbj while mudslings to mj.

[LeCroix]

You are conveniently leaving out Off Rtg when it fits your agenda. LeBron faced basically bottom of the league offensively minded teams on his path to the Finals in 2013.

#22 offense (EC 1st round)

#22 offense (escf)

#23 offense (ECF)

Toughest defensive gauntlet ever faced to win a chip

Nothing to hide

#6, #1, #3 ranked defensove teams

Goat burden

[LeCroix]

You are conveniently leaving out Off Rtg when it fits your agenda. LeBron faced basically bottom of the league offensively minded teams on his path to the Finals in 2013.

#22 offense (EC 1st round)

#22 offense (escf)

#23 offense (ECF)

So are we ranking teams based on offense or defense now? :lol

[Turbo Slayer]

Toughest defensive gauntlet ever faced to win a chip

Nothing to hide

#6, #1, #3 ranked defensove teams

Goat burden
I mean, you could technically make an legit argument that LeBron faced better defensive teams than Kobe and Jordan ever did and I wont complain about that.

[LeCroix]

I mean, you could technically make an legit argument that LeBron faced better defensive teams than Kobe and Jordan ever did :rockon:

Thats my point broseph

[Turbo Slayer]

Thats my point broseph
:cheers:

[LostCause]

I mean, you could technically make an legit argument that LeBron faced better defensive teams than Kobe and Jordan ever did :rockon:

Not a chance considering Kobe played in the 99-04 era where defenses were at their most brutal

[LeCroix]

Not a chance considering Kobe played in the 99-04 era where defenses were at their most brutal

This guy said 99 to 04

Kobe got FMVP in 09 and 10

Keep up :lol

[Turbo Slayer]

Not a chance considering Kobe played in the 99-04 era where defenses were at their most brutal In the Playoffs bro. Specifically in their path to the Finals.

[LostCause]

This guy said 99 to 04

Kobe got FMVP in 09 and 10

Keep up :lol

And? The statement was if LeBron faced better defenses than Kobe/Jordan ever did. Not sure what Finals MVP has to do with that but sure, go on


In the Playoffs bro. Specifically in their path to the Finals.

Even if you're talking about "Finals runs" specifically, Kobe was in the Finals from 4/6 of those years, beating the 04 Spurs who had a GOAT-tier defense and losing to another historic defense in the 04 Pistons

Then on top of that he faced the 08/10 Celtics in the Finals, while going through more historic Spurs defenses along the way

Kobe easily has the "better defenses faced" argument over both Jordan and LeBron

[Turbo Slayer]

And? The statement was if LeBron faced better defenses than Kobe/Jordan ever did. Not sure what Finals MVP has to do with that but sure, go on



Even if you're talking about "Finals runs" specifically, Kobe was in the Finals from 4/6 of those years, beating the 04 Spurs who had a GOAT-tier defense and losing to another historic defense in the 04 Pistons

Then on top of that he faced the 08/10 Celtics in the Finals, while going through more historic Spurs defenses along the way

Kobe easily has the "better defenses faced" argument over both Jordan and LeBron I hate when posters says "easily" or "not even close". LeBron has a legit argument when regarding defense. Lebron faced 8 top 3 defenses ( 7 which is #1 defense) more than Kobe or Jordan when LeBron played in the East in his conference on his path to the Finals.

[LostCause]

I hate when posters says "easily" or "not even close". LeBron has a legit argument when regarding defense. Lebron faced 8 top 3 defenses ( 7 which is #1 defense) more than Kobe or Jordan when LeBron played in the East in his conference on his path to the Finals.

The thing you're not accounting for is not all #1 ranked defenses are the same (ie the Warriors were the #1 defense in '15 yet their rDRTG was only -4.2, which isn't great historically. Compare that to Milwaukee's #1 defense this year of -8.5). The Pistons (-7.5 rDRTG) for example were the #2 ranked defense in 04 yet they were better than the #1 ranked Pacers (-7.4 rDRG) from 2014 (Who was arguably the best defense LeBron ever faced en route to the Finals). The #1 ranked defense from 04 was the Spurs (-8.8 rDRTG. Lakers won), so Kobe faced 2 teams in a single playoff run who were better defensively than the best defense LeBron faced given the criteria. Here's a good graph. Look at how low it is from about 99-08

https://i.ibb.co/4WB9j3P/MSUBUmJ.png

Add in the 08 Celtics who, along with the 04 Spurs, had the best defense in the modern era outside the Bucks of this year. It's really not that close. You also have to account for the rule changes from that period (About 00-04) where handchecking and zones were allowed which is a large part of why the defense from that period was so brutal

[LeCroix]

In the Playoffs bro. Specifically in their path to the Finals.

hes new to basketball obviously.

we are discussing path to finals win and this guy brought up years kobe didnt win fmvp

like cmon man do you not get the thread?

[LeCroix]

we found a tougher defensive road to fmvp then bron?

beat the #6, 1, 3 best defenses all in a row

[3ball]

Lebron's toughest opponent in the East that year was Hibbert/George?

How does that compare to Shaq/Penny, who were the 4th or 5th best team that MJ beat in the East?

[LeCroix]

Lebron's toughest opponent in the East that year was Hibbert/George?

How does that compare to Shaq/Penny, who were the 4th or 5th best team that MJ beat in the East?

I was waiting for you to try to defend a point that makes no sense instead of admitting lebron faced better :lol

in 2013 en route to el goat chip lebron beat the following ranked league defenses:

#6
#1
#3

he faced the toughest defense burden

[RRR3]

Lebron's toughest opponent in the East that year was Hibbert/George?

How does that compare to Shaq/Penny, who were the 4th or 5th best team that MJ beat in the East?
He was talking strictly about defense you hobgoblin.